I always thought he was pushing crack

13:12 What'd you sick freaks THINK the rationale was ROFL

@@jasonblundelldobebussingThis guys interpretation is more correct. Funny comedic perception though.

Came here to say this. The Hanged Man also frequently is associated with being overwhelmed by and thus resisting choices (especially reversed). It becomes upright when one surrenders to inevitability and accepts a new path, as Maiko does by the end of her social link. In the Persona series especially, the Hanged Man often involves suffering and sacrifice, perhaps by oneself or by others you once trusted. Just as Maiko faces with her parents. Her old life is over, no matter that she is too young to cope… without help, anyway. Most of the other SLs in P3 involve death in one way or another: risking it, facing it, dealing with it, running from it. At least the kid doesn’t die. :)

I love this comment. Thank you for elevating what was just a dumb joke on my part to genuine insight. This is why I love my audience.

Yes. I love the interpretation that you and another commenter, brinkofdeath, put forward in regards to the Hanged Man and Maiko. I'm still curious as to what the "Tower" would have to do with Bishamonten, though.

@@maxderrat well as far as I can tell with a quick look through some websites, he's a guardian deity of Buddhist worshipers and guardian of the north. I think associating him with the card that represents major changes and obstacles isn't to much of a stretch.

​@maxderrat a lot of those Arcana classifications do break down a bit more than how Arcana relate to the themes of the story of the social link A very micro google aka who knows the accuracy says that the northern direction being associated with danger which would be put together with the destruction of the tower that is the card. It's a danger which one can only survive and regrow from like the monk you help/connect with in that social. That might be why they put him into that classification

@@maxderrat It's worth noting first off, that there exists different versions of personas/demons/shadows/guardians to stress different aspects of the mythological character. Bishamoten isn't always Tower. To the extent he is associated with the Tower, imo it's likely a reference to SMT 1 where the death of the four guardians heralded a great disaster.

Not to mention that reversed readings are a relatively modern invention that was not done in traditional tarot. In fact, some of the earliest decks like the marseilles deck have pip cards that have a singular design that can’t be flipped, similar to regular playing cards.

Yup every Persona protag is either capable of or recieves The World (since it means completeness or fulfilment) but the P3 twins are apparently the only Guests in history (at least Guests that Igor has worked with) that obtain The Universe which is a concept so far beyond the The World that I personally interpret it as "The Self becomes God and God becomes one's Self" it makes me wonder if any of Philemon's other Guests have gotten The Universe or if Nylarlathop has ever gotten a champion capable to realizing The Universe.

Yeah I was just about to say this… albeit on a much smaller scale, but you saved me some time and said it better than I could have, so yea that’s a W. I will say that Makoto’s arc is friggin amazing, one of my favorite arcs in the series. Going from this apathetic guy who kinda just did things because he was asked to, to actually sacrificing himself to protect all the friends he met and loves. I wish I could be like him.

I still believe people over-interpret the whole "Universe" thing. It's still The World, almost always when the Arcana is revealed it's always a counter to whatever deity it's against. The use IS definitely situational but always appropriate. All 3 protags are supercharged with power of friendship and always standing alone with the god they oppose. The difference is circumstance, Makoto Yuki survived the incident should've killed him and his parents 10 years ago. "Death" sealed in him extended his life, and soon after cutting his connection with Ryoji and Nyx with The Great Seal he soon follows after. Maybe by mercy or gratitude he was given enough time to last until Graduation Day.

To add: In the spinoff games Minato/Makoto's ultimate persona is Messiah/Jesus.

Isn’t Universe the same as the World? I’m pretty sure they just changed it to World in P4 because it was more accurate. Universe implies that there’s something past the world which we have not explored yet. Aliens or other planets or galaxies but how does that tie into Persona?

I think some of they most representatives personas in the tower Arcana is actually Cu Cuchulain and *Masakado* because, Even if they are powerful Warriors they meet a tragic end. I think one cool persona that could enter in the tower Arcana is Sigfried who also meets a tragic end

Also, Bishamonten is sometimes represented holding a small pagoda tower in his hand

I never knew much about tarot and assumed the tower was meant to be phallic and had something to do with male ego. Seeing as thier social links seem to be focused on characters seeking to fullfil their own self satisfaction and overcoming that desire.

@blakec8549 In some versions of the deck, the card is not even called "The Tower", but "The Lightning".

@@MauM. That makes sense. I guess youtube comments are the means by which all will be revealed

Just those two... and Metal Gear/Silent Hill scholar, but that's all I'm confident in at the moment.

I thought Max, I dunno, was gonna interview a practicing psychologist in this video for a second.

Scholar just means one with knowledge on a topic.​@@brentclouse7791

@@maxderrat We talking bachelor's, masters? Autodidact is badass too and in some ways, even more impressive. Don't have to say, I just find you to be a really interesting and exceptional person.

Much better than Carl "I Like 'Em" Jung

I believe there is a line in P5 where someone (can't remember who) says that the collective unconscious sounds similar to the internet and Makoto responds that that's an interesting way of looking at it.

Yeah, my bad. Morgana is not a cat and Teddy ain't a bear. :P Koromaru is a good doggie, tho! ;)

​​@@maxderratI think Atlus considers the actual mascot of 3 to be Aigis. The non-human yearning to be human, just like Teddy and Morgana.

Elizabeth best tbh

@@shira_yone Preach

sadly he is incorect

It's kinda an inverse in a sense. With babel, humanity tried to rival the heavens. Which could be connected to Mitsuru's grandfather's plan to take the power of the shadows and create time manipulation. Overly ambitious his project failed catastrophically but the Dark Hour remained and Tartarus constructed. Human hubris was struck down by differing opinions and after a cataclysmic event a tower arose.

This isn't even his first

She never gives us a single SP item, so no, she doesn't sell any stimulants.

@@LairOfLair ...the invigorate accessories?

@@andrewdorsey1237 damn, forgot about these.

Hey thanks man! If you like that stuff, you'll like this video. :D

@@maxderrat makes me wanna check out the Persona games even more now, thanks

The Gift... I think I've heard that one. Never heard of Blood of Zeus, though. Where can I watch them? Also, how are you doing, Kalypso? :)

@@maxderrat sent you a DM. I think the Gift, especially, would be a great addition to your channel

Thanks for checking out those videos mate! Glad to see you over here as well! :)

does it help finding more fulfilling interpersonal relationships?

@@vivvy_0 Very much so, the quality of my relationships, the stability, and the meaningfulness of them all serve a higher purpose that flows harmoniously. It's no longer tied into fate, which is unconscious, but more about purpose and destiny, which is conscious and creative. The key is leaving the dreaded "drama triangle" of victim, villain, and hero in one's own relating and relationship patterns (relating to the microcosm and therefore also the corresponding plane of the macrocosm), and replacing it with the TED triangle of creator, challenger, and coach. It requires a radical level of self-responsibility and self-ownership to stop blaming external villains and rather see them as external reflections of the internal challenges we have within ourselves, to instead intentionally create our life, along with the relationships we consciously agree upon entering into.

One important thing I think that you kind of touched on, but you may not know, is the "story" of the tarot major arcana, also known as "The Fools Journey" The Fool is a unique card in the major arcana, it is simultaneously 0, and also... 22. The fool metaphorically represents a newborn, one at the beginning of their life, a blank slate. The first things one encounters in life are the positive and negative forces in everything, The Magician (1), and The High Priestess (2), respectively. (For note, positive and negative here don't mean good and bad, positive forces are things that are closer to things that are always there, unchanging, whereas negative forces are closer to chaos, that which changes, never remains the same.) They can also be described in a similar way to the conscious and the unconscious After the newborn comes to recognize these forces, they are met with two people... The Emperor (3) and The Empress (4), their Mother and Father. As the fool continues to grow, eventually he finds himself desiring belonging. This is represented by The Hierophant (5). usually thought of as an organized religion, but it can also be friend groups in school, or sports teams, and so on. Soon after, The Fool reaches adolescence, and begins to seek partnership In The Lovers (6) This is also a time they start to become more set on their own beliefs, drifting away from some of the organizations of The Hierophant. As The Fool reaches adulthood he begins to contend with maintaining and growing in discipline and willpower, The Chariot (7), the challenges of courage, Strength (8), and becoming more introspective with The Hermit (9). As everything slowly becomes pieced together, he begins to understand The Wheel Of Fortune (10) (which, most printings will come with a similar mandala kind of printing as you pointed out all over in Tartarus). He recognizes the world, but is not ready to become one with it. The fool may also begin to believe in concepts such as destiny or luck. As the fool reaches the middle of their life, they are faced with Justice (11). The choice to take responsibility for their past actions, reflecting on all the causes and effects that brought them there so far. This could also be analogous to one beginning to confront their own shadow. Regardless of the fools decision, they push on, to a state in which their world views may be turned upside down, humbled as they become The Hanged Man (12). He needs to learn to let go, to understand not everything is within his control. He may feel defeated or lost, believing he has sacrificed everything but as he lets go, and lets the world keep moving at its own pace, he begins to support himself more to prepare himself for... Death (13). Albeit not in the literal sense. Death is very important to Persona 3, but Death instead represents transition, change. The death of the old self, to transition into the new self. This may be the moment of defeating ones shadow, and mastering their negative aspects. Finally, as he moves on, and gains more control over himself, he discovers Temperance (14), balancing his emotional state, understanding the value of living a harmonious, moderate, life rather than the constant emotional flux. But... this state can lead to complacency, being drawn in to The Devil (15). The devil is the ignorance and hopelessness we all possess, not a literal devil of myth. It is also the concept of lust for material objects, greed and gluttony binding the fool to his lover, neither aware they are shackled by it. The ruin this brings leads us to The Tower (16). The Tower is sudden change (hence why it is often a more negatively associated card for those that believe in tarot fortune telling) that allows us to break free from the Devil, but not without pain. It is an almost literal slap in the face telling The Fool to wake up, and remember what is important. This wake up slap creates a revelation, a calm, serene, tranquility represented by the beauty of The Star (17.) Free from the shackles of the devil and its negative influence, The Fool is bathed in Joy and tries to share it generously with the rest of the world. However, this serenity can cause The Fool to fall victim to the illusions of The Moon (18). The positive emotions brought forward by the star are not always perfectly clear. This can lead to the wonders of imagination, but can also bring forward fears, anxieties, leading to a deep seated bewilderment. But the moons illusions are defeated by The Sun (19). The Fool understands the goodness of the world, enlightened by the suns warmth. He feels reassured, able to face any challenge, a feeling that leads him to near the end of his life. In the end, it is time for Judgement (20). This is the approach of the Monad state, apotheosis. Not quite there, but approaching it closer and closer. A feeling of rebirth washes over The Fool, absolved of all he has done, able to forgive himself for his past mistakes. Judgement is often depicted with an angel calling to The Fool, but this angel in truth is a representation of his higher self. The Fool understands who he is, why he was born, what he was meant to do... and embraces The World (21) within himself. He has achieved wholeness, having lived a fulfilling life. And from here... the life cycle begins anew. The Fool (0) becomes The Fool (22), reborn as a newborn once more to begin the cycle of life.

Great comment

He probably won't simply because of how obtuse the Caligula games are to play. (Moreso 1 than 2)