My heart goes out to Mr Baker. All his questions are being answered and he just gets emotionally charged. Shame on the Mormons that ruined his thinking

I really like that Dr. White changed from debating to teaching towards the end of the debate. He is really trying to help Lee see that his reason for not believing the New Testament is invalid and show him the truth. I pray that God will change Lee’s heart and reveal the truth to him.

This debate is a wonderful lesson to not disregard or oppose something simply because you do not understand it.

James White is the last person I would ever want to debate 🔥. Must say Baker was thoroughly exposed.

So the promise that Mr Baker made to his wife about listening twice as hard as he debates went straight out the window!! 🤦‍♂️

Baker: Do you believe John wrote that? Dr. White: No Baker: I used to Dr. White: I'm sorry

This guy just had no idea what he’s talking about.. I give James White props for his patience

Sometimes it’s better to listen and learn instead of speaking and making yourself look like a fool. Dr White has patience of a saint.

Thanks for your support!

He plays dumb and smart at the same time, lord have mercy.

I was taught about textual variants. Many pastors do teach about this, and there is a lot about it on KZfaq. It was never a secret. Lee Baker acts overly suspicious.

This poor deceived man. He judges God and doesn't even know that he does.

May Jesus one day save this man's soul

the mormon stigma is still in Baker's head.

Wow... I had no idea that Lee Baker had drifted like this. This is painful. Thank you for sharing this though.

This gentleman Lee needs help. He is plainly intellectually dishonest with himself.

Dr. James you are an amazing soldier for Christ. I strive to one day have the knowledge you do. God Bless 🎚🙏

Sadly Lee Baker, who was instrumental in bringing many out of Mormonism, has taken his skepticism to a ridiculous degree. This was difficult to watch.

James White thank you very much Excellent defense of the faith

I wonder if what Mr. Baker is by now? an atheist? an agnostic? a skeptics? a Buddhist? a Muslim? update please.

If you notice any audio abnormalities, please let me know. I had to re-render and re-upload an earlier debate video.

This really shows the damage that mormonism causes.

I hope Dr. Brown is able to soon have a discussion with Lee. He may be able to help him through a lot of the issues dealing with Judaism vs Christianity

Dr.white is a walking encyclopedia-... this is very enlightening!

Thanks for having this Aaron! I was going to ask if I didn't see it. I always enjoy Dr. White's debates, dialogues and teaching. May God bless you in your continued ministry 🙏

I'm only 15 mins in and this is going to be good. Much better then the Jeff and dr white atheist debate.that was cringe city.

Out of a guilty feeling for handing out the KJV to Africans, then finding it was a flawed/incomplete translation, Lee abandons the faith. This is the opposite of the reaction of KJV onlyists. Lee said he wants to learn but when James asks if he has read a book of his (was it "The Forgotten Trinity" or "Scripture alone"?) he says "thankfully not". This suggests a level of insincerity on Lee's part.

This is a problem that I have experienced with my friends coming out of Mormonism. They don't know what to believe. Mr. Baker does not seem to believe in God's sovereignty. I'm hearing Mr.Baker saying it's all false based on his knowledge that Mormonism is false. He seems to still be using Lds truth test. Mr.Baker also does not fully grasp the triune God. God Being and personage.

My level of respect for James White just went through the roof. What Godly patience that man has

This guy I do feel for too and he did apologise for the emotion, but I have to say that was one of the most painful debates I’ve ever seen. Amazed James White agreed to this but hopefully was trying to help him

I have no knowledge of greek or hebrew but a blind man could see that Isaiah chapter 53 seals it for me

This guy is lost!

in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness: Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus was crucified for the TRUTH about himself! John 5:39 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.”

Lee Baker seem to have a very very difficult time differentiating "constrolled transmission" that the Mormon cult does with their scriptures & the "free transmission"(from the originals which we no longer possess) in Biblical Christianity have done throughout the centuries. I will pray for Mr. Baker that he may do his homework and research. The poor fella sounded quite confused.

Thanks for the upload, Aaron! I’ve really been looking forward to this one.

Dr. White’s patience is astounding

“I am ignorant in textual changes, variations, to the Bible... I am very suspicious of the stretch factor,” Indeed, a man who is ignorant of the nature of the variations or textual changes ought not presume a lack of integrity, on account of any apparent meddling made known by secondary sources. We are to judge with righteous judgment. A man who considers himself suspicious as a matter of virtue calls evil good.

Hey I use to have these struggles like Lee, the Lord was good to me. I started getting into church history and the book of Malachi captivated me. In Malachi, the LORD says his name will be great among the nations, but it is obvious that the jews only cared to take the TeNak within the borders of Israel... therefore under the new covenant, the transmission of the New Testament makes sense

Amazing debate!! I’m loving this wave of debates.

been waiting for this! Thanks to all for making this happen.

Lee Strobel's Book; Case for Christ is a good resource that addresses this topic.

I don’t even understand what this guy is arguing. Poor man. James clearly explained everything. He should have just given up.

Can't believe that Mr Baker didn't prepare better. If he had just watched Dr White some, he would have saw how thoroughly Dr White prepares. Amazing. He still would have lost, he just would not have looked so foolish doing so.

It seems that Mr Baker needs God's Holy Spirit indwelling him to see clearly..Lord please help him..

If the Holy Spirit had opened his eyes and heart to the truth of the scripture he would not be at this point.He was never a true, born again Christian.

Thank you DR White--I am Roman Catholic and value your work here[[

You have to feel for Mr. Baker, he was so unprepared and refused to humble himself when confronted so clearly

Baker's emotional response and disregard for the debate rules stem from the fact that his arguments are fundamentally flawed, and as he faces scrutiny, he struggles to defend his position effectively. Furthermore, Baker's tendency to deflect and shift the focus of the argument away from direct questions highlights his evasion tactics rather than addressing the issues at hand. I run into this all them time when dealing with anti Calvinist’s.

James white is difficult to debate and definitely wouldn't want to bring anything close to full knowledge to the table because he will expose you. I love listening yo his debates as I grow in my walk with the Lord Jesus Christ, amen.

Debating a man like James White you need to come prepared ,and this guy wasn`t

Thank you for sharing this debate. I was hoping someone had a decent copy of it.

It's very frustrating when a person doesn't know how to ask questions. Two minutes to ask a question? That was a statement.He also is very uninformed!

Back before all the masks and lockdowns! I wouldn't have believed it if someone told me how alien our community's would feel one year later, this remains an important topic and more relevant than ever, justice belongs to the lord and when the books are opened our jaws will hit the floor, I'm still praying for the baker's, I have similar indoctrination that I have to work through.

What was the name of the Greek book that he has I would love to have one.

Lee Baker went from Mormonism to Christianity, and then he is now Jewish?

When you reject God, you get a debased mind. We see this demonstrated here.

AT THE END OF THE DEBATE COMES THE whole of the matter for Mr. Baker. he rejects the resurrection, He rejects the testimony of the new testament. So he is left without Christ.

We need to be praying that God’s word is spread and that truth takes hold and grows in hearts

Thank you so much brother Aaron, for posting this debate! In Christ, brother travis

The death of the Passover lamb indicates the necessity of the death of the Messiah. I'm reading through the Bible again. The Old Testament tells us about our Savior many, many times! Not directly, but in the lives of those who came before Him.

“For God so loved the World that He gave His only Son...” This is essentially an updated rewrite of a conglomerate of passages from the Old Testament, including those making known God seeing the creation as good, as His creation was an act of love, unto to the promise given to Adam and his posterity after the fall. God by John, is giving us an example of rightly dividing the Word of Truth in accordance with the Truth. The (once) Mormon seeks to turn the Old against the New Testament, by trying to lie against the truth convincingly, and with apparent concern for us.

So Lee Baker is not Christian anymore??? 😳

Does anyone have a link to the book James white held up at the beginning?

Anyone know the name of the blue bible James white has during this discussion? I know he mentions it somewhere in the video, but I’ve seem to lost it.

Wow, Lee is criticizing how God revealed Himself @ min 105:49. Lee knows how to do it better? "Scoot over Lord, now there are two of us". Geez. James did an awesome job, I learned a lot. Thanks for posting this.

Baker saying thankfully no, to if he has read any of Dr whites books was so saddening to me, this man is a blessing to all believers of the Christian faith, he has devoted his life and learning to his faith and is so intelligent and willing to share that and also speak on the highest levels against what he does not believe to be truth which is astonishing. I would be thrilled to open his books. I see Mr baker has set his mind. It reminds me of pharaoh’s hardened heart :(

What is the bible translation with footnotes that White is recommending here?

Also, i really enjoyed the allowance of back and forth. That was really enlightening.

Baker knew just enough to be dangerous to himself and others. He ended up being just another debate victim of James “The Professor” White.....

Why are there some gaps in the video?

Aaron is there a circuit of or individual upcoming debates similar to this in the near future? I enjoy learning from them and I’m curious to know if there are people still doing this. Seems that there aren’t as many in KZfaq that are recent.

The sad thing is that this damages Lee Baker's credibility so much. If there were any mormons looking to take his lead out of the LDS, this really exposes him as an impulsive, ham handed, non critical thinker. I wouldnt trust anything this guy had to say on pretty much any subject. You can clearly see he has not dropped the mormon mindset.

Would love to see Lee Baker debate Dr Brown.

Lee Baker is unqualified to debate Dr. White.

Gotta give Baker credit for being able to bluster well enough and engage the audience well enough to seem convincing. He puts on a good presentation. He should be in sales.

This shows that you can be LDS or Christian for 25+ years and fake your prayers and answers to prayers from Christ the whole time

Baker's arrogance and pride is astounding. He has proven here that he holds no education on the topics he so audaciously pretends to defend and no humility in learning.

Poor Mr. Baker. He didn't just bring a knife to a gunfight, his knife was dull.

Like a dog returning to his vomit, Lee Baker forsook Christ to embrace Christ-rejecting Judaism.

Thank you Dr. White.

We know Mr. Lee Baker and his wife, Kathy, relatively well. We supported their Christian ministry by funding their radio program, their ministry travel around the US, to Israel, and to Africa. Sadly, Mr. Lee has turned against Jesus Christ and the Christian faith. Listening to the start of this debate, Mr. Lee is truly lost and rambling, he has left Christian reality. Lee is now studying to become a Noahide; a Jewish religious movement based on the Seven Laws of Noah (pre-Old Testament) and the traditional interpretations within Orthodox Judaism. Lee’s turbulent personal family history, his incarceration and criminal trial experience In Indiana, and the loss of his Christian faith has totally destroyed his mental processes. Lee, Jesus Christ did not leave you, your narcissism forced you to leave Jesus Christ. Lee, you have lost yourself, stop destroying what is left of your soul.

Lee Baker has way more wit than knowledge.

God resist the proud but gives grace to the humble,, and he who has a ear hear the living and God breathed word of God!

God is good! AMEN, Dr. White.

James is so patient! I wanted to fly out of the chair watching this. Be still mr Baker and know he is God.

Wow. I just feel sad for Mr Baker.

I was there!

Some of Baker's statements reflect his ignorance, but others seem disingenuous. What is the spirit involved there?

Felt a bit sorry for poor Mr. Baker

This was a pretty intense debate...

God is using James White for this to show people the truth and to bring clarification where misunderstanding is. I can tell that James is relying in God for strength for patience and Holly Spirit to guide him in his discourse

Wallace's facial expressions say it all

I feel sorry for someone throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Jesus Christ has been better to me than I deserve and it didn't need a perfect bible translation to make it happen.

Ok mr baker i have a question for you. Lets ay you’re absolutely right on all your counts and dr whites responses are dubious at best. PLEASE tell me you have something better to go on when it comes to what happens when you die and what to expect afterwards

I feel sorry for the moderator lol

There are no neutral parties. Baker is an obfuscator and it's not ill will to point out this clear reality.

Opening statements regarding opening statement by the Mormon defender regarding his equivocations of contracting. First, an additions to the Word of God, as they’ve been made by recognition, have not affected the meaning, nor contradicted the greater redundancy, meaning, big picture. Therefor the additions were also under auspice of the work of the Holy Spirit. Additions that are prophetically condemned are those additions that presume an authorship, seek a usurpation, a twistation, a libel, or some addition that will ultimately affect the works actual integrity, against the Life Giving Spirit, and in accordance with the Law of the Letter. Using said editions as reason to discredit the whole of the Word, in order to elevate another text is dishonest and slanderous. Let’s use his own analogies. 1) Regarding the bill of sale for the firearm. If the man changed the c to a k, in the annotation of “public defender shotgun,” the change would be inconsequential to the overall veracity of the document and harmless in its integrity. Nuance maybe argued by the accuser of the brethren if that someone was out to destroy his credibility, which he is. 2) I’ll leave the second. 3) Regarding the contract with stipulation, said contract would have to be agreed upon, before which Doctor White may covenantally orchestrate a greater establishment of trust against any nefarious consequence, use of monetary manipulation to affect spiritual inclination, or otherwise malicious act that he may be covenantally obligated to entail if he were to enter contract without discernment. This contract may also contain redundancies or harmless changes, additions, or corrections that do not effect the overall integrity of the contract. In Light of these things, let it be know the Canon of God’s Word maybe reopened without equivocation.

sheesh. James white has patience. This was a complete Blow-out. like a bad basketball game thats completly lopsided

The man was never a believer from the start