Is Autism A Disorder Or A Difference To Be Celebrated?
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Күн бұрынIs Autism A Disorder Or A Difference to Be Celebrated?
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*What is autism?*
If you look up the definition of autism, you’ll get something like this: autism is a developmental disability caused by differences in the brain that can affect how people behave, communicate, interact, and learn. The OFFICIAL diagnosis goes by ASD - Autism Spectrum Disorder. But, there’s no one look or symptom you can point to and decree - this person has autism! It exists on a spectrum, meaning it shows up differently depending on the person.
*What is neurodiversity?*
The brain is the most complex organ in the human body. So, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that everyone’s brain develops in a unique way. That’s how we get the concept of neurodiversity, which is the idea that there is no one, universally accepted definition of what a “normal” brain is. It basically focuses on how the kinds of behaviors we consider “normal” vary depending on the culture we live in. When someone behaves as expected by their society, they can be considered neurotypical. Most of society is built around how neurotypicals go about their day. But as I’m sure you know, there are tons of people who don’t fit in with how society expects them to be. This includes many people with brain-base disabilities like autism, ADHD, Tourette’s - the list goes on. Many of them consider themselves neurodivergent.
*What is the difference between the medical model of disability and the social model?*
Most disabilities have historically been viewed through the lens of the medical model. Using this view, a disability is something that needs to be fixed or cured. Like, if someone needs to get into a building, but that person is in a wheelchair, they need to adapt in order to get up the stairs to get through the door. The social model, on the other hand, focuses more on how the environment can be adapted to better fit the person. Using this model, you would build a ramp, so the person in a wheelchair could get into the building.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:59 The Concept of Neurodiversity
2:12 Neurodivergent vs Neurotypical
5:33 History of Autism
7:12 Medical Model vs Social Model
#autism
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
What do you think - does U.S. society and our medical system need to shift our perception of autism? Let us know in the comments below!
@kerycktotebag8164 Жыл бұрын
the medical system is doing a good job of integrating the social model-social support levels are what makes up the tiers of the Spectrum diagnosis, for instance. however, general accessibility for diagnosis and accommodation are dismal in many places, often making diagnosis very difficult for anyone who isn't a gender‐conforming (assumed to be) cisgender, heterosexual white boy, and even then, there's a price cap if the clinical isn't willing to diagnose without lengthy testing to rule out other things. Lobbyists and some "medical" adjacent nonprofits have yet to catch up though, but that's an issue of "cultural lag".
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
@@kerycktotebag8164 thanks for pointing that issue out!
@yosefzanerva806 11 ай бұрын
The fact of the matter is that autism is a mental disability. However, the way that we as a society have come to view that term is quite flawed. I think society as a whole would greatly benefit from starting a practice of breaking down terms and phrases that we've begun to use over-casually. We might have an easier time accepting not just autistics, but other people who different from the norm as well, be it by gender, race, culture, tradition, neurodivergence, or anything else.
@ForumArcade Жыл бұрын
I am autistic. I think it's mainly that there are a whole bunch of different behavioural and cognitive disorders that are all lumped under the umbrella of "autism". Some people can't communicate or take care of themselves. Others appear pretty normal. My own experience has been that I'm weird, and I think about things in ways that most people around me don't. I like that. I like myself. I'm happy to be the way I am.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective! Yes, embrace weird!
@IanHollis Жыл бұрын
Exactly why I think there's different types of autism, not just one linear spectrum. Ever seen a 3D audio waveform? I think it's more like that, than something which is linear.
@Edward-de1db Жыл бұрын
Good that you like it
@johnnybon258 Жыл бұрын
I have autism and it kinda sucks every one thinks I don’t have feelings or a life I’m often bullied because of it for me it sucks but at least ur doing fine🥲
@Cosmo_P0litan Ай бұрын
Were you diagnosed officially?
@Bitsmap Жыл бұрын
Just like you said, it's both neurodiverse and a disability, we don't need to be fixed, we need accessibility.
@Jay_236 Жыл бұрын
I have to strongly disagree. ASD has ruined my life and I hate it when other aspire assume being autistic is a “gift” or something.
@Bitsmap Жыл бұрын
@@Jay_236 I had many challenges in my life, that made me repeat some years in school and losing some jobs. After I was diagnosed things improved drastically, now I don't have to mask anymore, and people can't just fire me just because of my social skills. It's not a gift, but it also don't need to be a nightmare when we can have accessibility.
@Spiceodog Жыл бұрын
@@Jay_236 I have adhd, and I couldn’t have said it better myself . It sucks ! It’s not a gift , and when people say it is, I feel like they’re ignorant or just don’t care about my experiences.
@Spiceodog Жыл бұрын
@@Bitsmap yeah , I think that’s what he was saying though .
@rahbeeuh 5 ай бұрын
@@Bitsmapall of humanity is neurodiverse. Autistic, ADHD, bipolar, schizophrenic, dyscalculic, epileptic folks, etc are neurodivergent people. The two terms are different and aren't interchangeable.
@thomasr.jackson2940 Жыл бұрын
Not only is Autism a spectrum, but the constellation of various traits that make up the diagnostic criteria are, taken individually, pretty common in the world: awkward conversation, missing social queues, hard to read emotional states, catch phrases, strong focussed interests, strong responses to smells, or loud noises, or pain…. my gosh these are story points in every teen movie or tv show.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
That is a great point! Thanks for sharing!
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
That’s “if this is autism then everyone is a bit autistic” type thinking, which means you completely misunderstood what autism is. Average teens, fictional and real, are not autistic. There’s a very large difference between the perceptions and expressions of a neurotypical child at a certain stage of brain development and an autistic at the same stage of development. It often appears the same to average untrained people from the outside but it isn’t at all the same.
@thomasr.jackson2940 Жыл бұрын
I did not state, nor do I believe that “everyone is a little bit autistic”. The existing diagnostic criteria are what they are, and yes, many are common traits. This goes a long way to explain the “everyone is a little bit…” idea. And functionally, in the way everyday people deal with other everyday people whom, autistic or not, exhibit these traits, it can be the same thing: e.g. patience, empathy, kindness, making efforts, acceptance,… etc..
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasr.jackson2940 “my gosh these are story points in every teen movie or tv show.” No they aren’t, and yes that falls into the Everyone is a Little Autistic trope. You aren’t trained, I’m assuming anyway, in how to clinically read the DSM. Clinical definitions of those words are concrete and often with very different meanings than the more vague and loose everyday uses of those words as those of us who’ve documented in medical charts know all too well. As you left out details like duration, intensity, interference with activities of daily living, it seems you know as little about diagnosis of mental health disorders as you do autism. You have no obligation to know about either of these things in detail but you do need to know your understanding and base knowledge of both is wrong as you seem to think you know enough to have an informed opinion. You don’t.
@thomasr.jackson2940 Жыл бұрын
I have no interest in carrying out a pointless internet argument with some stranger. You have a good day.
@straberryshinigami15g97 Жыл бұрын
We do not want to be celebrated. We just want to be treated equally. Having movies like Rainman, that show autistic people as geniuses, are problematic because it paints being autistic using wrong, harmful stereotypes that miss the mark on what its like being autistic. Most of us aren't "geniuses", we're average people with different skills and needs. However, the autistic community CELEBRATES autism because we are so demonized in society. Also most autistic people prefer identity based language "autistic person", instead of "person with autism".
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Fantastic point! Thank you for that!
@kimmiecravesyou7144 Жыл бұрын
Yes!, but please don't say we
@Mcwollybob Жыл бұрын
Some topics I really hope you guys will make videos about are fatphobia, OCD, and phobias (as in real phobias and not bigotry)
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Oh those are great video ideas! Thank you!
@johngreally9599 Жыл бұрын
If you are looking for a quality basic introduction to autism for your relatives, colleagues, friends, and newcomers, this is it right here. Excellent PBS video on autism by Myles Bess, featuring Sebastian Joseph - autistic journalist, and Lina Fang - autistic therapist and creator. GREAT!
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@sarahlamoureux1454 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I had a few thoughts: 1. I think how we should approach chronic disability is to understand that it can be very difficult to experience without assigning a moral value to it. Autism, schizophrenia, diabetes, limb differences, etc. do not make someone "bad", but they are often challenging to live with. 2. As a society, I'd like to see us move away from trying to "cure" autism and towards helping autistic folks live the lives we want, accepting others rather than trying to change them against their will. That being said, it's up to each individual autist how we relate to our autism. If an autistic person wants to be rid of their autism, that's their feeling about their experience, and that's valid. 3. While autism and schizophrenia are not necessarily related, it's important to note that they do have similarities. Things like diminished affect and having limited social relationships are common in both. I've also read stories of autistic folks who were misdiagnosed with schizophrenia in part because they answered "yes" to questions like: "Do you ever hear things that no one else does?" An autistic person -- who's also more likely to take the question literally -- may simply be more sensitive to sound than most others.
@Spiceodog Жыл бұрын
As someone who’s neurodivergent, I fully support trying to cure my mental illness. It’s a disadvantage and harmful, and I wish I didn’t have it. If a man loses his leg, accessibility is good, but a functional prosthetic is way better. That’s my take on this
@fabianshedenhelm2986 11 ай бұрын
@@Spiceodogmine is the opposite. I've already had people try to cure me as a child. Sadly it's impossible, all it caused was anxiety, depression, trauma, and a whole multitude of other things. It did more harm than good, plus my autistic brain is still here, it just can't tell my identity as a person it diverged.
@Shadow1shifter Жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with adhd at 6 years old, and rediagnosed at 18 years old. I have tried and failed at quite a lot of things. I have been bullied and harassed because I'm different. I think we need a more neural-divergant friendly environment from schools and work to everyday. Educating people about it would go a long way to helping out everyone mindset.
@shammyh Жыл бұрын
I'd also point out... There's a lot of talk/discussion/visibility of so-called higher functioning autism/aspergers, but more severe autism is not "Mac vs PC" it's "Mainframe vs PC". Completely different systems that, other than both being computers, are pretty much incomparable and need to be understood as such. There's also a lot of "armchair psychology" at the moment, especially on TikTok. And modern psychology is not as caught up in the "medical model" as it's often perceived/thought to be. A bit more precision of description and breadth of discussion would have gone a long way here...
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Great points. Autism is a fascinating topic, and to really get into the finer points of it could easily necessitate a Ken Burns-style docu series! Perhaps on a subsequent video, we can dive even deeper.
@adelaidedupont9017 Жыл бұрын
And then there are different mainframes as well - ENIAC and the other kinds. Some mainframes use punch cards and some use valves.
@lucastoftgaard2117 Жыл бұрын
I have an autism diagnosis. The full diagnosis is high functioning a-typical asbergers. This means that I can function in society, but this diagnosis was put forth by a doctor that is paid by the government. Where I’m from these sorts of diagnoses are not necessarily uncommon because they can be used to get you out of the healthcare system and all follow up help would be something private. I don’t feel like anything is necessary wrong with me, but with the way society has progressively become a more and more hostile environment for people with sensory overload issues something does need to change. I saw a guy on the internet that said he saw how neurodivergent people was needed for historical repetitive tasks like churning butter for hours where for him that task and not being bombarded with constant inputs sounds pleasant. In my opinion scaling back flashy images and a more widespread understanding of common symptoms for autistic people would help a lot. A willingness to learn and create a structure where individuals don’t have to just excise but can also thrive is what we need to focus on instead of fixing problems that aren’t there
@DanJonesHypnosis Жыл бұрын
I'm a diagnosed autistic psychological therapist and content creator and try to increase understanding of autism and neurodiversity generally. Specifically in relation to the title I would disagree with both. I don't think of it as a disorder, which implies something is wrong with my brain, but that doesn't mean that autistic people don't have difficulties and there can be comorbidities like learning difficulties. But I also don't think if it as being something to be celebrated any more than I think all diversity should be celebrated - our uniqueness, our talents and different ways of thinking about things and different skills and strengths and physicality etc... That celebration should be the state of equality. Most of my life I've been told by managers that I shouldn't be doing the job I've been hired to do (working therapeutically with people), because I 'don't think right', yet to me, it is the way I think about things, the way I've had to consciously learn about nonverbal behaviour etc, it is the way my brain identifies patterns and things out of place in what otherwise would be a neat pattern, the way my brain compartmentalises so that I can hear traumatic things in work and not give it a second thought out of work, the way I can be told traumatic and disturbing things and not emotionally respond in a way that makes the person talking shut up and feel uncomfortable with seeing an emotional reaction. It is being autistic I feel makes me a better therapist, and being a therapist helps give me insights and ways to learn how to understand myself that help me explain my experience of being autistic from a place of deeper understanding about the process etc and has helped me to learn required skills for better understanding others and holding down relationships etc. I would definitely like more of a social model focus on things and would love significantly more autism understanding. I think over the last decade or so there has been a lot of autism awareness, but it seems to rarely translate to better understanding and changes...
@PunkHerr Жыл бұрын
Was excited because this topic can be risky to talk about. Wasn't disappointed. Excellent. Very smooth and neutral.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@timwinfield8509 Жыл бұрын
Considering what the "normals" have done with this world, it might be a good idea to give the neuroalterntives a try. The hardest thing that we face as different is the social enforcement of normal behavior. I find that most normals do not question their own take on reality whereas we of the "other perception" are critcal of perceptions all the time. I find it strange when a normal is critical of my behaviour when they have never anylized their own.
@nightmarerex2035 Жыл бұрын
most normals walking around with these wired blood clots growing in them becuase they "belived the science" yet the first thing about science is QUESTION EVEYRTHING
@aprildawnsunshine4326 Жыл бұрын
Love this topic choice! Whenever I think about the nuerodivergent, including other forms as well as autism, I think of Saru on Star Trek Discovery. He was brave and curious, both things considered extremely out of the norm and pressured to change. Then we got to see his curiosity is what led to a better life for his entire planet. Idk if we're just more aware now but it does feel like there's more being born every day and I can't wait to see how we all change our world for the better. 💖
@blurryeyes8572 Жыл бұрын
Actually, Autism is something someone is born having. It's a genetic Brain difference.
@dramonmaster222 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. As someone with family members with Autism and special needs, this was quite informative and helpful.
@25lighters91 Жыл бұрын
King Myles with another great informative and inspiring video shedding light on those who rarely get exposure or concern. Neurodiversity is such a complex issue because on one hand it's considered a disability, but so many neurodivergent people have specialized intellectual properties that exceed the normalized function of information bearing.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Hmm, that has a nice ring to it...King Myles! Lol. Thanks for watching and supporting the show!
@25lighters91 Жыл бұрын
@@AboveTheNoise In the days of old, as smart and global minded as you are you would have been crowned, I just have an old soul to still see it now.
@AutisticBrain Жыл бұрын
I think viewing autism through the social model of disability could be amazing in the way that it is portrayed in TV
@Mcwollybob Жыл бұрын
What's really upsetting is that the term "neurodivergent" is constantly gatekept. Even though the creator of the term literally invented it for the purpose of being inclusive of all mental conditions, there are still so many people who try to say that the term "neurodivergent" only applies to people with autism and ADHD. I hate it. I am so tired of the gatekeeping. It just feels like yet another way to determine who actually "counts" and is "valid." I have numerous mental disorders that even cause me to do some of the behaviors of autism and ADHD, and you will have to pry the term "neurodivergent" out of my hands.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Oh man. Gatekeeping with that kind of stuff is the worst!
@LilChuunosuke 7 ай бұрын
I identify with the social model of disability. To me, autism and ADHD are part of who I am. My problems associated with my disabilities are directly caused by society not accepting or accomodating me. And I'd just like to clarify something about the social model of disability that I feel is often misunderstood: creating an accepting society does not mean people like me will no longer require accomodations. I still have chronic fatigue, insomnia, etc that will never go away. The point of the social model of disability is that I would not be grouped into a category of people defined as lesser. My struggles would just be seen as how I was born and accomodating my needs would be treated as no big deal by my loved ones, employers, government, etc. I have seen people argue against the social model of disability by saying things like "I still don't have the ability to feed myself every day!" The social model is not saying you won't need a caretaker anymore. It's simply saying you will not be seen as deficient and needing to be cured. It would be EASIER to recieve proper care in an accepting society. THAT is what we mean.
@shield8849 Жыл бұрын
Have a small language correction: an Autistic person is neurodivergent, not neurodiverse. Only a group of people can be neurodiverse, a single person not.
@blurryeyes8572 Жыл бұрын
I am an Autistic Person. I agree with this vid, for the most part. Being an Autistic Person is a Genetic brain difference
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment!
@korvatusklok4059 Жыл бұрын
I don't run on Mac OS, I run on Ubuntu.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Running on a hamster wheel over here . . .
@ToonShader Жыл бұрын
Most doctors classify a disorder as something that affects your ability to have a job, relationships, ect. Most places on the autism spectrum do not fit these requirements, except severe cases.
@user-tk3ou5ru1n Жыл бұрын
My autism does not mean I am sick, worse or a burden. The world expects us all to be a certain way, and we built our society after that. I am capable of living a meaningful life. I just need to go about it in a slightly different way. Me not fitting someone's image of normal does not mean I am the problem. But a world of ignorant people made me beleive I was for a very long time
@alberttran9111 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
And thank YOU for watching!
@kerycktotebag8164 Жыл бұрын
I would say resilience rather than celebration. Pride, as in, refusing to be shamed. I find celebration a little hokey, but if everyone is celebrating their own traits except autistic people, it's important to look at things like "toxic positivity" where of course it's easier to cover up negative feelings if you're societally accepted, and such "positivity" will just cause repression for ppl who struggle with their traits that aren't so acceptable. I don't think any existing governance structure is responsible enough to handle "cures" or preventions for development "hardware", without the side effect of empowering those governance structures & institutions to perform eugenics. So even if i personally wanted my autism "cured" (I don't), I'm not selfish enough to advocate for any institution to have that kind of power, so it's a moot point, and the question around this tends to ignore issues of power and consent, which personally just terrifies me and makes me angry. We're people, not hypotheticals. I think "difference versus disorder" is philosophical m*st*rbation in most cases, but y'all did a good job treating this issue with respect I'm diagnosed at Level 2, which means I'm not really being pressured to see my differences as worthy of celebration, nor is there much pressure to pity my "Level" of autism. Most allistic ppl can't fit me into the pity box or the "you don't seem autistic" box, so I'm usually met with (when ppl don't wanna just humanize our interaction) confusion, political pablum, toxic positivity or disgust. So it really helps to take the best of the medical model and the social model, bc we're biological, psychological and sociological beings and autism isn't that well understood yet.
@AcousticCoffeeJunk Жыл бұрын
As an autistic person, I just deeply appreciate your approach in creating this video!! There are TOO many content creators who will take a condescending approach, perceivably so at least, and that lends itself too soo much misinformation. As for the information you did share... much applauds as well. It was all absolutely contextually correct! Don't really have anything to add, and even if so, I'm sure other Auties already added. You earned your donut!
@AcousticCoffeeJunk Жыл бұрын
and I'm also now subscribed!
@shaylanmackay3930 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful and yes I agree the social model needs to be updated changed because things are not going to get better if this keeps happening in society. Also if the Medical Model wants to fix it soo badly while they're at it , why not medically fix greed in people while were at it too since it's one of the factors that's messing up society
@westrim Жыл бұрын
Yes
@shaylanmackay3930 Жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed very early in the 80's and I got to say that the 90's didn't have much resources for my mother and my father which could have relieved their question's and stress levels.
@unlitmoon19 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video so much.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@thomasr.jackson2940 Жыл бұрын
_All_mental health disorders are, to varying degrees, social disorders. Social response to common mental variations, including grief, depression, mania, schizophrenia, ADHD, etc. can make a world of difference in outcomes, functionality, well being.
@Warhead_235 Жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with high functioning autism. Was put in special-needs classes and that caused me to hate school because I wanted to learn more things and I caused me to struggle in college once I graduate I convinced my state of Pennsylvania to make changes in the education system to allow people in special-needs classes to exit that and they take normal in advance classes so they could do better in life. I’m seeing many people being over diagnosed with this it’s the same issue with ADHD as well. I’ve also joined the army and I went to a doctor and the doctor told me that I am not autistic who ever diagnosed you is wrong, so what he did was he put me down as I am not autistic.
@MartyFry-rz3jz Жыл бұрын
28 yrs old neurodiverse nonbinary person here. in my experience autism has been a blessing *and* a curse. i loathe having a hard time expressing myself outside of fictional/theorhetical scenarios... but at the same time i wouldn't want rid of the creativity my "disorder" results in.
@nickorange4881 Жыл бұрын
i look forward to the social model for autism. i wish they had more changes, like being have to make an appointment for a doctor online instead of having to call. or even being able to text to make a appointment.
@nightmarerex2035 Жыл бұрын
i thught they allready had that and is ofrton the only option. i dont think its worth 100$ to talk to some random doctor on the internet who just reads off a fuckign script and cost same as going to the atual office thugh.
@beepboop204 Жыл бұрын
we often think allists are the ones with the disorder. comes down to functionality
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
Because they often are so obliviously self destructive while telling us how we’re lacking.
@GymGirl88 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. However, the fridge mother 'joke' was in poor taste imo
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Gotcha. Humor can miss the mark for some people, which it sounds like it did for you. Glad you found other parts of the video informative! And thanks for watching!
@firelordeliteast6750 Жыл бұрын
I have autism. It's both a help and a hinderance
@Janderra Жыл бұрын
How about someone who needs extra support 🤔
@studentofsmith Жыл бұрын
We need to do both. We need to continue researching treatment options for people with disabilities AND work to make society more accessible for people with disabilities we can't treat.
@FrogJuiceJustice Жыл бұрын
Of course the KZfaq shorts clip of his has insane comments. Shorts bring out the worst in people for some reason
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Wearing my full hazmat suit so I'm ready for the toxicity!
@yosefzanerva806 11 ай бұрын
I have PDD (Pervasive Developmental Delay). It's one of the many disorders that fall under the broad catagory of the autistic spectrum. Thank you so much for making this video and covering this topic. To answer your question, I don't think of Autism as something that is to be fixed, nor is it to be celebrated. It just is what it is. I recognize that, as an autistic, I am mentally disabled, but I think we can all agree that nobody is great at everything. Everybody struggles with some part of life. (Heck, I'm willing to bet that most neurotypicals out there struggled more with mathematics than I did when I was their age at any given point in their life!😉) Sure, it has its downsides and struggles, but my life is one WITH Autism. Its part of who I am, what I am. I function in a manner that differs from the norm. Not better or worse, just different. I think that Autism is something that is to be EMBRACED, simply by people understanding that it exists, and aware of how it makes us different.
@AboveTheNoise 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience and perspective!
@andrewlutes2048 3 ай бұрын
As society has a shrinking need for diverse abilities, people who don’t fit in to the narrowing spectrum of “typical” are labelled as disabled or disordered to justify ignoring perfectly good people. It’s a disorder on a sociological level, not one of individuals.
@gabrielrcortina Жыл бұрын
Too bad wait times are incredibly long for the test in my area. I have had quite significant problems my entire life with nearly 95% of the symptoms I find when searching about autism. Especially my beliefs about life, morals, and people tend to be common with autistic people. I just need to know solidly if I have it.
@fabianshedenhelm2986 11 ай бұрын
I want to be loved, I'm prideful for who I am sure with a tiny bit of internal discrimination towards myself but I'm improving. We just need accessibility not to be fixed. They tried fixing me when I was younger with aba, the aba gave me well .... trauma, and mental health issues. I rather have the world treat me as a human being and make it much more accessible and not treat me like I'm a freak.
@Duckpencils 11 ай бұрын
I understand. I think for me, the pride formed from how much energy I expended to not let people change who I am. I did that so I could make myself laugh, feel to the extent I wanted to, and not lose my empathy. It's hard feeling like a freak, eventually, I've been finding ways to be my own friend. I say this to myself, but I'm mostly rationalizing: If true love exists for me, they are probably out there, but they are probably being as seclusive as me in a world that doesn't understand and antagonizes us. We just took a knee and put our heads down. Who knows.
@fabianshedenhelm2986 11 ай бұрын
@@Duckpencils yeah
@DavidHughey-xu2ce Жыл бұрын
Either way its still a label and with a label comes many negative connotations I grew up and got diaged as autsitic when I was 6yo I had to go to speech therapy and couldnt write til i was around 10, was amazing at math tho. Whats so bad? being lumped into the "neurodivergent group" my folks just assumed and even somewhat belittled me assuming id be dependant forever or just be constantly compared to people with actual physical deformities and much worse disorders because the help i needed at the time and it just got so insanely dehumanizing after a point i just did everything in my power to cover up my 'tism and even though by highschool I was a good deal still a bit of a sped it wasnt so bad people could easily identify my as autistic any longer and today with even better masking skills and no sped-like behavior people are shocked when I tell them I was diaged at all
@heartsmyfaceforever8140 Жыл бұрын
Is being disordered supposed to be a bad thing? maybe order all the time isn’t a good thing.
@danielkover7157 7 ай бұрын
I'm 46. I haven't been tested and diagnosed yet. I've wondered for years if I might be on the spectrum. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. My parents have wondered for even longer, but when I was a kid, there was still a stigma, and a community for people on the spectrum really didn't exist. They didn't know anything except the Medical Model, and maybe they were afraid. For the most part, I'm able to function. But I still feel like an alien. (I wanna say my processor is Linux, but I'm not that clever. 😂)
@kiwre 10 ай бұрын
Why can’t it be a mix of both? Medical, as I see it in this case, is seeing a therapist to help you work through the worst of it. Then the social could just be others adapting and accepting the oddities coming from you. So, I have a meltdown at work. Prior to this, I’m have therapy to help me understand the symptoms to recognize whats happening. Then, my boss allows me to step away and calm down for a bit. Could we have the best of both?
@AboveTheNoise 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, most of our video titles set up false binaries as a hook, but then the video itself shows how most real life answers to tough questions are "it depends" or "yes, and..." or "no, but..."
@melvayaredaguilar Жыл бұрын
3:02 you’re just being yourself
@ekadria-bo4962 Жыл бұрын
Activated debate: "I am autistic or i have autism" For me, i choose i am autistic. Its a the fundamental experience of myself.. To be autistic, to me, its a to don't give a F about social norm.
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
Saw a comedian once who explained that perfectly. “Do I have autism? Like, in my pocket? Sure, let me just put it down on this table.” It’s not a thing like a virus or injury or cancer mutation, which are physical things people have or lack. It’s intrinsically what we are.
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
@basil I’ve infuriated so many in those situations by saying something along the lines of “it’s okay. As a typical person I understand you just can’t understand certain perspectives or connections outside your immediate culture and experiences even though I don’t have that limitation. It’s because we autistics can’t naturally form stereotypes, unlike you typical people who can’t help but be trapped in them, so we see different solutions to problems.” Abelists have pure hate for being called typical and for having their limitations pointed out. Especially when I point out I’m only talking to them as they talked to me, and their clinical designation is literally “typical.” It’s a lot of fun in work settings to do that set up, have them explain how it’s harassment in front of others, then follow up with “oh, then since that’s how you were talking to me the I should report this, right? I thought it was okay because you did it, but if it’s not we should report it.” Btw I almost got an HR representative fired a couple weeks back at my job doing this. They don’t have to apologize even when they should, but we can weaponize autistic perspectives against them far better than they can weaponize being typical.
@AnimalLover-43000 Жыл бұрын
As someone diagnosed with both ADHD and Autism, I'd prefer if they weren't called deficits or disorders, but disabilities. I've had issues in education and social situations that can be linked to these diagnoses, and sensory overload or other sensory issues have and always will be something I have to either work around or power through with sheer willpower. Over time I've gotten better with social situations, but it'll never be as instinctual for me or as easy to understand as it is for someone who is neurotypical. A good portion of the issues I face can be solved with accommodations, but some things will be impossible for me to do because my brain just doesn't work the way it would need to for me to do so. I feel like neurodiversity is similar to physical disability in the way that it comes in many different forms (with some conditions being more detrimental to a person's ability to socialize or live on their own than others), the same condition can vary in severity from person to person, and accommodations can lead to someone living a relatively normal life if said disability is somewhat mild, but there are things that will remain physically impossible for said person to do, no matter how hard they try.
@andrewlutes2048 3 ай бұрын
How were the developmental differences observed and how were they compared to normal development? How is “normal” brain development determined?
@myew Жыл бұрын
As someone who is autistic (as opposed to a 'person with autism'), I still consider it to be a developmental brain disorder and disability. Different parts of the brain develop at abnormal rates, just as with ADHD. Why is that so hard to understand? The brain has to reroute information through more developed parts to handle the tasks that would neurotypically be done in a different area, which is underdeveloped in the autistic individual. With my formerly termed Asperger's for example, I had precocious language skills at a very young age, but my social skills were just broken. I have had far more cons than pros in my life, leaving little to celebrate. Though I do admit that there are benefits to having different perspectives in society, for me personally, the cost has always been too great and left me very bitter with additional struggles compared to the norm. That all said, humanity will never find a cure for all of the interrelated environmental (pollution, nurturing) and physiological (diet, genetic) factors that contribute toward it. I have spent much of the past decade focused on diet, lifestyle, movement and epigenetics to try and reverse much of my brain dysfunction and many other comorbid disabilities and chronic illness, but you can't cure something completely when you have no control over the inputs that you're born with. People who think it can be cured probably don't understand that they're often the ones perpetuating it, because they don't understand what a risk it is to have children after a certain age, or don't have to spend every day thinking about food just to function when it's easier to fill their kids with nonnutritive toxic sugar bombs and inflammatory microbiome deficient grains.
@brittanymarriott8742 Жыл бұрын
1:04 💡👂 😂
@LordOfTheBing Жыл бұрын
Everybody says that they feel different from the others, to the point that someone saying "I fit into society" would be the weird one. Nice video, but I'd expected more from you: it's only interviewing proponent of the social model. What if you asked a therapist treating people with autism, or a brain researcher?
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
It's not the social model vs the medical model. It's realizing that autism doesn't have to fit into a simple binary and the answer can be different depending on the person.
@kyokoyumi Жыл бұрын
That "medical model vs social model" is backward. Medicine doesn't attempt to cure autism it helps people manage it and exist in a world that doesn't like neurodiverse people. The same goes for ADHD. Taking my meds helps me stay on task. It doesn't make me any less neurodivergent and people around me stil have to try and understand why I do and say things I do and say. The medical model gives us the wheelchair ramp (meds). The social model says "Oh get over yourself and deal with it. Everyone is a little ADHD" (yes that is something laypeople have actually said before.) I didn't feel more seen than when I first went to therapy. It was for other reasons then I remembered I have ADHD and she was able to help get me on meds and work with me better as far as communication and how my brain works. Even compared to my mother she was the first person to actually work with my ADHD instead of try to fix me and she didn't even specialise in ADHD. If your therapist isn't doing that, get a new one.
@sandwichqueen Жыл бұрын
As someone who is queer and Neurodivergent, there are a lot of similarities between the two and the communities. Both are considered disorders, both were associated in being not sane, both have wild misconceptions, both have "conversion therapies" and both communities bond over the similarities of thier varied differences.
@Peter-dk2ov 10 ай бұрын
This seems like you are saying being queer is a disability
@texxstalker Жыл бұрын
As a neourodivergent i deeply ashamed by the macos analogy! 😀 i operating linux 😁 and not speak english too well 🤔
@Spiceodog Жыл бұрын
I’m neurodiverse but not autistic . In my experience, it isn’t something that should be celebrated. It’s bad. I want to be normal . I want to understand people and be able to concentrate. This sucks .
@fabianshedenhelm2986 11 ай бұрын
I'm fine being born as this. It's just how I was made, them trying to fix me with aba well.... caused severe mental issues and trauma. Our normal is our normal. Society just tells us there's only one way to live. The best way most can be helped is getting accessibility needs and if there's any severe things due to it that can be helped, take some medicine if need be. I'm done trying to be fixed, it caused anxiety, depression, and so much pain and trauma. I understand you're neurodiverse but please listen to the voices of autistics, especially the whole group, don't ever skip over the voices of the nonverbal ones as well.
@alarcon99 Жыл бұрын
I think that (to an extent) Autism is and will continue to be viewed in a similar way as ADHD (with one major difference being that at it’s most extreme form ADHD does not limit a person the way Autism can); meaning that it is more and more understood that our strengths in our society are because of and not in spite of, our differences.
@Mcwollybob Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's good to make a hierarchy of which conditions are the most debilitating, especially when ADHD can cause someone to have extreme difficulty in succeeding in education or jobs, which affects their entire life and socioeconomic status. I'm tired of oppression and disability hierarchies used to dismiss everyone who is not at the top. Even the term "neurodivergent" is being gatekept from anyone without autism and ADHD but who have different mental conditions, which puts autism and ADHD at the top of the mental condition hierarchy. It's harmful.
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
As an autistic who used to be a teacher at a psych hospital, you’re dead wrong about ADHD. What the vast majority consider ADHD isn’t, what most people consider moderate to severe ADHD is mild, and only teachers, parents, and pediatricians see severe ADHD because those kids can’t be in public due to safety issues. As adults they often need a caregiver.
@kidicarus7044 Жыл бұрын
I need a caregiver for my ADHD way more than I need one for ASD because my ASD affects my communication but ADHD affects everything.
@olilumgbalu5653 11 ай бұрын
It's a disorder whose true root cause has yet to be revealed (hint: it has something to do with the military) but not something someone should be discriminated against for.
@indigodawn3174 Жыл бұрын
Different strokes for different folks, but i'm on the spectrum and lean towards the medical model. I'd rather leave the spectrum. Not everyone on the spectrum wants the same thing.
@AboveTheNoise Жыл бұрын
Totally! That's why we tried to highlight that it's not a binary -- the medical vs. the social model. Thanks for watching!
@straberryshinigami15g97 Жыл бұрын
Fellow autistics, where can I get diagnosed for autism? I have Medicaid and live in the state of Maryland.
@martin_bolha Жыл бұрын
Just from the vids, I wouldn't recognize that those people aren't neurotypical. Just saying.
@josepharmstrong1788 Жыл бұрын
I am autistic and I think that neurodivergence just is. There are very dangerous implications to the ideas of viewing it as a disorder and a difference to be celebrated. Kindness and patience is key.
@straberryshinigami15g97 Жыл бұрын
Also, please put people's pronouns for EVERY video. Putting pronouns just for the queer/trans videos helps reinforce the commonly held belief that pronouns are just for trans people, which they are not. Normalizing pronouns helps people realize that pronouns are for EVERYONE.
@dereklartaud3807 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. We did verbally use each interviewees preferred pronoun when introducing them, but we could certainly also add that as text, too.
@straberryshinigami15g97 Жыл бұрын
thanks. Also a note- it’s not preferred pronouns, it’s pronouns. Saying they’re preferred implies you don’t have to use them. My pronouns and my identity is not a “preference”.
@TheCrossfire951 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about?
@AngryPug76 Жыл бұрын
@@straberryshinigami15g97 You’re hurting LGBTQ+ rights far more than helping by doing things like this by alienating allies. Not only did you double down on attacking the content creator who politely responded using the socially accepted term “preferred pronouns”, but you are attempting to hijack an autistic thread for your own gender specific purposes. That’s especially infuriating as so many of us autistics put no or little thought into our own gender. It’s rarely any part of our identity due to how our interests fall. Demanding we shift mental gears in interviews totally unrelated to gender to accommodate you while we are in our own place is a special kind of offensive ableism. Be careful not to become the bigot you think you’re fighting against because that only helps homophobes.
@straberryshinigami15g97 Жыл бұрын
I’m autistic and trans. My voice/ concerns are relevant to this
@codyaltman29 Жыл бұрын
I am autistic and I can safely say that while high functioning autistics are no different from any other person. However, there are people who are severely autistic who can’t even feed themselves, thus can also be a substantial disability. Like miles said it’s a SPECTRUM, So wether it’s a real disability or simply a meaningless label depends on where on the spectrum you fall on.
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
I am a high functioning man with autism, and I am very different from normal people.
@codyaltman29 Жыл бұрын
@@SebastianLundh1988 key word SPECTRUM
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
@@codyaltman29 Yeah, but that first sentence could easily give people the impression all high functioning people with autism are more or less normal.
@codyaltman29 Жыл бұрын
@@SebastianLundh1988 on the extreme high end of the spectrum they are, while rare, but also possible. At least as far as their ability to function goes. While a normal person in its self isn’t perfect, its hard to say that even those on the highest end of the spectrum that they are different from such person, at least in adolescence/adulthood. They might get the diagnosis from when they are a child due to say delayed speech or speech impediment but they matured substantially to the point where the diagnosis could even be overturned.
@Riddickisawesome101 Жыл бұрын
Even for autistic people who aren’t able to feed themselves, it doesn’t make them any lesser than the rest of us. They all deserve the same amount of love, acceptance, and appreciation
@adrianriley1939 Ай бұрын
You had me until 6:50.....then I stopped watching.....well you can never prove 100% it 💉never caused it. But whatever let's you keep making videos for You-do-as-your-told-Tube.
@frankhaugen Жыл бұрын
If you have problems functioning in society, then it's something to be fixed. We give people with dyslexia extra resources and don't celebrate then being "differently reading" and then let them graduate as illiterates
@echidnanatsuki882 Жыл бұрын
My question to you now is are the Autistic People who act like LITERAL 9 YEAR OLD CHILDREN despite being in their 30s also normal?
@FireGlitch Жыл бұрын
No
@Riddickisawesome101 Жыл бұрын
Who cares if it’s normal or not? Why must we strive for “normal” (which doesn’t even exist and is arbitrary) rather than happiness?
@echidnanatsuki882 Жыл бұрын
@@Riddickisawesome101 would you consider psychopaths "normal" then?
@Riddickisawesome101 Жыл бұрын
@@echidnanatsuki882 are you comparing autistic people to psychopaths? Otherwise I don’t understand the relevance here
@echidnanatsuki882 Жыл бұрын
@@Riddickisawesome101 no. What I'm getting here is this whole argument about why we shouldn't strive for normalcy. Like, if that's the case, then I guess Cancer Patients and Mentally Unstable Individuals should just be left alone since "fixing" them to be normal like everyone else is "bad".
@IanHollis Жыл бұрын
Let's change all of those Ds into Es: Autism Spectrum EXPERIENCE. Attention Deficit Hyperactive EXPERIENCE. BiPolar EXPERIENCE. Schizoaffective EXPERIENCE. Why? Because they're not disorders, *THEY'RE EXPERIENCES!!!*
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
What? All of those things are horrible disorders.
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
Autism is a mental handicap that we need to find a cure for. Period. Thankfully, despite what all pro-disorder activists want, we will find ways of preventing, treating, and may even curing autism.
@shield8849 Жыл бұрын
You are an eugenicist then, great ( cynicism). The audacity to hate speech in our face, eww.
@thesilverblack708 Жыл бұрын
You sound like a member of the KKK saying that.
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
@@thesilverblack708 NO, I don't. You're just angry, but you know I'm right and that you can't argue with me, so you just decided to throw an Ad Hominem at me.
@thesilverblack708 Жыл бұрын
@@SebastianLundh1988 Yes you are. You cannot accept that autistic people are different than you, therefore you have to try and dehumanize autistic people to justify your hatred. It's the exact same mindset racists and terfs use in order to justify their hatred: See their targets as "Not human" or "mentally ill" to justify their hatred.
@SebastianLundh1988 Жыл бұрын
@@thesilverblack708 How could I think that people with autism are different from me _when I have autism myself?_ Yeah, you didn't see that one coming, did you? I have autism too! You claim that I can't accept differences, but *you* can't accept that other people with autism recognize that autism is a disorder and want to be cured from it. You call me bigotred because I want to find a cure for a _disorder._ A horrible, _horrible_ disorder, which ruins countless lives. Why? Well, I think it's because you can't handle the fact that there's something wrong with you (by definition, because that is what having autism entails), so you're coping by pretending that not only is having autism a great thing, but _no one_ needs to be cured, and the idea that _anyone_ needs to be cured is an insult to you. Who cares if people are suffering? Let's be quiet about it, so that _you_ won't feel bad. Thin skinned narcicissm at its finest!
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