A good one at that. I actually wondered about how the forest kingdom was the only one that didn't technically fall at the end, because they were equally busy at war on their own as they had been before being set free from the servers.

You can actually add the existentialists undertones of the game (2B = To be) to find out that Yoko Taro's point of view is what's called absurdist, which states that if there is such purpose in life, it's not a happy one. We should get rid of it and create our own (Endings C and D could be interpreted as nihilism and existencialism (or idealism), in that order, being the true ending, E, the absurdist one.). The commentary on violence is one that has been around since drakengard 1, since Yoko Taro thinks that every sign of violence in videogames should be addressed in a realistic way, or at least acknowledged as something we really should be fighting against. If you pay attention to promotional videos, or even in the archives, you'll find that YoHRa represent dolls and Machines represent tin toys. For those who have played route C/D, we know that the main "villains" are the red girls, which represent god, which are the humans, which are at the same time the watchers from the drakengard series. So this was a little girl playing with her dolls and tin toys all along. Their purposes were implanted from the start, unable to escape, trapped in a neverending cycle of life, death, violence, war, hate, in conclusion: Conflict (Which Adam states directly during route A, and for Yoko Taro being a scenario writer and having theatrical background makes the most scense, since conflict is what sparks drama , which is the base of theatre.) The idea of conflict being the base of evolution as well as human nature is also presented in hegel, Marx, and Engels's work (well, at leats social class conflict), hence why he decided to make them bosses. The game is all about conflict. And how we find purpose in that conflict. If you believe there is a reason then you're existentialist (2B), if you think there is no point, then you're nihilist (9S), if you think there is a way to end the cycle, then you're idealist (A2), and if, like the pods, you do not accept this cycle and decide to make your own path, even if it's meaningless, then you are absurdist. (Also the idea of 2B being a "lie", and being her real name 2E, states the idea of existentialism being a lie itself, and how these lies are made to make us accept fate, or is a lie that we tell ourselves in order to have a reason, which we desperately need)

LexioLTG Wow. Thank you

doesn't this imply that actually we might be following some sort of sequence of code/program ? i mean we are very predictable we know what will happen if we do some actions like hit someone he will get angry/afraid we can even simulate that scenario in our minds before it takes place in real world it's all predictable i mean we even have books that explain our behavior and mind, including conscious and unconscious phenomena and how some philosophers give their generalized look at societies that can be implied on all societies because we are human we are all alike. it's all known, that's why history repeats it's self we never learn from our ancestors mistakes because we are bound to do what is in our nature so we actually might be programmable or this world might actually be a big simulation what makes you think that you are unique maybe that's how the idea of reincarnation was made since we keep repeating our history but reincarnation can't be right i mean it says if u die you will be reborn but how can our number increase if we are being reborn/reincarnated? then reincarnation doesn't make sense then but then who are we and what should we be doing if it's all simple then why didn't we do the right thing at least once!! since we ever existed it never happened...... the world was never united together not even once... it's like we are cursed to not being able to unite or having a limit to how much unity even our world is nothing but a big programmed simulation too it's not just us that have rules there are rules everywhere how can this be?? i mean we are following a program which we call human nature even the world has it's own nature i mean look at this: we even have books of chemistry, physics, biology, geology and astronomy they are all nothing but describing the world too and how it works.. i mean if you mix H2o + Co2 ---> H2Co3 it's a fact no one can deny.. the sun rises from the east these are rules of the world that even this world follows this is crazy how can something that looks so random, unorganized and chaotic be following rules amidst this chaos?? how can rules exist like this??? There is order amidst all this madness... then what is this world and what are we doing here???! and why are we always looking for a purpose?? did no one ever find their purpose before?? there must be an answer and there must be someone who made all of these complicated codes/programs?? i think no one can deny that there is an author/writer of this world we seek purpose in life it's in our nature we suicide if we can't find it and become the happiest if we found it our it's we just deny it.. such rules can't exist without a creator and I believe that the author is Allah and our sole purpose is to worship him that is what he said it's simple yet we will deny it, think about it.. a lot of cultures gave themselves their own god in order to live with a purpose such as the sun/fire/moon even cows in some cultures they knew that there is god but they didn't know who it was the idea of not having a purpose will drive u crazy it's in our nature to have purpose in life if you don't then you will go crazy and might even suicide like a lot of famous actors/ppl do when they own everything they want from this world they suicide even that they had Everything but they were not just happy, happiness doesn't lie in the things you acquire not in the prettiest woman you would marry not in the money that you collect, happiness lies within you it's not a lie that the poor people made up in order to keep themselves happy... worshiping Allah doesn't mean just praying all day all night, its how you treat people you must not harm the people around you always respect the people around you defend the weak spread the peace this is what Allah wants

Humans don't have free will tho

Pep K Pep K what’s my shitty point dumbfuck? Maybe explain yours before throwing yourself at me. And yes, some reviewers saw it as a generic anime game since they didn’t take their time to go through the other endings. Route A and B seem pretty generic especially with a semi predictable plot, but that starts to change at the end of route C. There’s a medium article that absolutely shits on the game (not that medium is important anyways since it’s user review articles), since they didn’t get the main idea. Yeah, most game reviewers can’t seem to put two and two together nowadays so they’re not even worth your while. You’ll see they give average reviews when smaller media groups and the game page itself will have higher reviews that occasionally go in depth.

@@darindial8908 I agree, I really enjoyed the story and it was by far the deepest story I've experienced in a video game thus far. It has a huge focus on humanity, and its constant questioning of what it is and whether humanity is worth having in one self, especially as a android or machine made me question my own humanity, and what makes someone human. Although I have my own answer now, it really made me relate as to what their message was, and changed my way of thinking.

Who cares about game reviewers... pls ....

Lol wtf. It is one of the deepest games I ever played. Probably the deepest. There is so much information, also the constant thinking about "oh it's good now" and then get a gut punch because it takes a sudden twist. This had me tear up a lot of times. One of the best games I ever played.

I think that would be a more fair criticism towards Detroit Become Human. Talking about a self righteous plot, lol the writer assumed he/she discovered the greatest sci-fi argument in history: "artificial life can feel and think by themselves, so they are actually alive!" You don't say?? Automata deals with similar themes in a more humble and respectful way. There's also lots of openings for diverse interpretations, so Yoko Taro is not acting as the master of truth, only his vision is what matters and so on. As a bonus, the japanese weirdness was used in a positive way here, it's fun to see their interpretations of androids, AIs, the (very exaggerated) feelings of 9s, etc

Same here. Just finished the game today, now I don't know what to do with my life lol

I’m fuzzy on the whole 2b killing 9s thing. It doesn’t make sense to me. As they mention him dying over and over, but he only dies once really. And I don’t even know why 2b is meant to kill him. I also wish the game expanded on Adam and Eve.

09 RetsamEdalb 9S is a superior model created by YorHa to get better intel on the enemy with making these units come a risk of the incredibly Intelligent units to discover the truth. The units are Isolated so that when the 2B models run into the 9S model the 9S model immediately is happy to have a partner and stays with 2B faithfully. In the end thought 2B was created to kill 9S whenever he got to close to the truth. The cycle almost broke when 9S uploaded his memories into a machine after 2B choked him out to kill him. But In the end 9S still died but it wasn’t by 2B. Basically 2B is meant to kill 9s whenever he got to close to the truth.

BlackAmer Gaming does that mean 2B knew the truth all along?

@@darindial8908 I'm wondering this too

I thought it was a reference to drakengard 3 because of Zero and the five sisters Or Zero, the 4 helpers and Mikhail

@@starlight4165 Or all of the above because why not, still lines up

Thank you :D

@@starlight4165 Did u not just watch the video? It could have many interpretations. Theres not just one concrete reference to it smh..

​@@greyb5511Exactly. I'm so tired of reading every comment saying "this is what it means" People don't learn 😅

Well,it could be literally,but if you about it is all a cycle

Fucking hell, I never even considered it was intentionally doing it there.

i think it just depends on how fast you scroll the text. it was different for my friend and i.

​@@timestopMachinistbut most people do it at roughly the same speed

Pod 042: Unit 2B's vital signs confirmed. Pod 042: Memory storage, thought circuits, auxiliary motor functions, all confirmed to have been restarted. Pod 042: Entering reboot sequence. 2B: Ugh ... Pod 042: Good morning, 2B. 2B: I ... Pod 042: Report: Unit 2B was killed by unit A2 approximately 1718 hours ago. 2B: 1718 hours ago ... So ... 72 days, then. Pod 042: Following that, us tactical support units reconstructed your parts. Pod 042: The virus previously inside you deactivated along with the tower's collapse, and remains in suspension. 2B: Tower ...? What happened ...? (2B suddenly realizes something.) 2B: Ah!! 9S ...!! Pod 153: Report: Unit 9S ceased activity approximately 740 hours ago. 2B: Pod ... 153? Pod 153: Unit 9S was severely contaminated, however said virus deactivated along with the tower's collapse, and remains in suspension. 2B: So he's just ... asleep? Pod 153: Negative: An error occurred during unit 9S's reboot sequence. 2B: What do you mean, an error ...? Pod 153: Unknown: All checks were completed, however his personal data will not begin loading procedures, causing an inability to reboot. 2B: His personal data won't load ... Then in that case, run the monitoring sequence, and skip the check sequence ... Pod 153: Negative: This unit has already attempted 345 combinations 34,500 times, and all have ended in failure. Pod 153: Unit 9S's current state suggests there is a possibility his personal data has been lost due to some unknown cause. 2B: His personal data is ... lost ...? Pod 153: Proposal: Unit 2B should consider disposing of unit 9S's body. (2B speaks in a strong tone.) 2B: There's no way I could ... just dispose of his body ...! (There is a considerable pause.) Pod 153: ... Understood. 2B (narration): After being reconstructed, there wasn't even a hint of dirt on 9S's body ... 2B (narration): His face ... looked just like he was sleeping. 2B (narration): I took my weapon in hand, and packed the minimum necessary provisions, before standing up. 2B (narration): I had to go. 2B (narration): There had to be a way to get 9S to reboot properly. 2B (narration): That's what I believed.

2B (narration): I received information on what happened while I was gone from the pods. 2B (narration): About A2 ... and 9S. 2B (narration): I also heard about how the two of them destroyed some huge "Tower" that had been created by the machine lifeforms. 2B (narration): The rubble from it is still scattered all throughout the city. 2B (narration): The City Ruins' landscape had been completely changed. Pod 042: Proposal: Unit 2B should gather information at the resistance camp. 2B (narration): The resistance camp was able to miraculously avoid damage from the collapse of the tower ... 2B (narration): However Devola and Popola, and a few others in the resistance, lost their lives in the fight with the machines. 2B (narration): Even though Anemone was faced with such a difficult situation, she still remained level-headed. 2B (narration): I tried speaking to Anemone about the situation with 9S's rebooting, but she wasn't able to provide me with any helpful information. Pod 153: Report: Relevant records within the Bunker have been lost. 2B (narration): We YoRHa units are a special type. 2B (narration): We contain something other androids don't within us - a Black Box. 2B (narration): And due to that, we're capable of much higher functionality. 2B (narration): However, unlike general androids, our maintenance is only able to be done on the Bunker. 2B (narration): It's possible to make easy repairs with the small amount of materials and programs at access points, but detailed information about the insides of our bodies was lost along with the fall of the Bunker. 2B (narration): Even so, I was traveling from place to place looking for the information I needed. 2B (narration): No matter ... how long it took. Pod 042: Alert: Unit 2B is taking damage due to maintenance failure. Pod 042: Proposal: Unit 2B should perform proper repair and replenish materials. 2B (narration): With how tired I was, even doing simple first aid felt troublesome. 2B (narration): In the depths of my heart, I started to feel like ... everything I was doing was meaningless. 2B (narration): I don't ... care anymore. 2B (narration): I wonder if ... 9S will ever wake up. 2B (narration): That sort of dark thought process began to take over. 2B (narration): And I shook my head. 2B (narration): I couldn't give up. I couldn't give up. I couldn't give up. 2B (narration): Even if I was just deceiving myself, I couldn't admit that. 2B (narration): It caused my body to become heavy. 2B (narration): If I go further away from here, I may be able to find surviving YoRHa members. Pod 153: Report: Mail notification received. 2B: ... Check it. (The pod reads out the mail's contents in its usual tone of voice.) Pod 153: Sender: Jackass. Pod 153: Subject: About 9S's Personal Data Reboot. Pod 153: Yo, how's it going, 2B? Pod 153: I know a little something about 9S's condition. Pod 153: I've been looking into a lot of things since everything happened, and I came across some concerning information. Pod 153: There were some logs remaining in the access port outside of 9S's memory storage. Pod 153: They were a communication record from the "Ark" object those machine lifeforms made. Pod 153: I don't know anything about that "Ark" thing, but it might be some sort of server. Pod 153: I'll send you the time and coordinates that were written in that log right away. Pod 153: There might be a hint somewhere in them. (There's a short pause.) Pod 153: This concludes the body of the email. Time and three-dimensional coordinate data is attached. 2B (narration): Those coordinates ... were right in the area where the Tower collapsed.

2B (narration): Mountains and mountains of white rubble, as far as I could see. 2B (narration): I'd arrived at the center of where the Tower collapsed. 2B (narration): And it was there, where I began digging. Pod 153: Hypothesis: Origin point is 40 meters below the current point. Pod 042: Proposal: Search for a more efficient method for digging. 2B (narration): That's right, the coordinates Jackass sent me pointed right to a location within the Tower's rubble. 2B (narration): I was digging through it so I could reach the position she gave me. 2B (narration): But the material was much more firm than I expected it to be, and my digging wasn't going particularly well. 2B (narration): My breath began to show, and before I'd realized it, it was snowing. 2B (narration): It seems the Tower's rubble was absorbing the surrounding area's heat and causing the area to cool. 2B (narration): According to the pods, it was made of materials derived from the bodies of machine lifeforms, which centered around silicon, among other things. 2B (narration): But that didn't matter. 2B (narration): I only cared about my digging. Pod 153: Hypothesis: Origin point is 25 meters below the current point. Pod 042: Alert: Unit 2B is taking damage due to maintenance failure. 2B (narration): The Tower's materials became increasingly firm the further down I went. 2B (narration): I was using my weapon to dig, but I had to stop using my one-handed sword to switch to something better suited, and I proceeded downward by practically crushing the materials. 2B (narration): I continued on, my mind devoid of any other thoughts, until I finished. 2B (narration): I could feel an ache run through my pain sensors. 2B (narration): But it was only thanks to that pain that I was able to keep my sanity. Pod 153: Hypothesis: Origin point is 12 meters below the current point. Pod 042: Alert: Unit 2B is taking damage due to maintenance failure. Pod 042: Alert: If no proper repair is performed, it will cause severe impact to the unit's body. 2B (narration): As I continued to dig, I found out what that "Ark" really was. 2B (narration): It seemed to be a huge memory unit, made by combining complex crystals. 2B (narration): However, as it'd been shattered to pieces, I couldn't find a single "living" crystal. 2B (narration): Regardless, I continued digging in search of the Ark's crystals. 2B (narration): With each swing of my weapon, blood began to scatter. 2B (narration): I couldn't feel my fingertips anymore, and the sensors running from my wrists had died. 2B (narration): The bolts I'd used to forcibly fix it were starting to dig into my skin. 2B (narration): But that didn't matter. 2B (narration): Somewhere up ahead, the information I needed to save 9S was ... 2B (narration): Even if only a little remains of the Ark, I ... I have to ...!! (An error sound pings.) Pod 042: Alert: Unit 2B entered forced shutdown due to overload.

Pod 042: Emergency nanomachine removal complete. Pod 042: Unit 2B's vital signs confirmed. Pod 042: Entering reboot sequence. (A long "beeeeep" alert sounds.) (Afterwards, a short three "beeps" sound.) Pod 042: Good morning, 2B. 2B: Huh? I ... Pod 042: You entered a forced shutdown due to severe continuous operation. 2B (narration): When I hurriedly asked about the Ark, the pods showed me a small, orange sparkling crystal. 2B (narration): What they found seemed to be a remnant of the machine lifeforms' communication protocol. 2B (narration): If we use that protocol and its data, we could create a key, and open up 9S's memory storage. 2B (narration): Although I didn't understand the details, there was meaning in my continued digging. 2B (narration): The pods siphoned out the data and recombined it to create a repair vaccine. 2B (narration): Then, we could pull the cable from 9S's access port and create a wired connection. 2B (narration): With that, I'd be able to insert the repair vaccine. 2B (narration): After that, all I'd have to do is hope that 9S's memory storage data could be evacuated into his personal data. Pod 153: Repair vaccine injected. (Three seconds later, the sound of a heartbeat stops and a flatline beeps.) Pod 153: No effect. Re-administering repair vaccine. (Three seconds later, the sound of a heartbeat stops and a flatline beeps.) Pod 153: No effect. Re-administering repair vaccine. (Three seconds later, the sound of a heartbeat stops and a flatline beeps.) Pod 153: No effect. 2B: Why ... Why isn't it ...?! Pod 042: Hypothesis: Repair vaccine is a failure. Pod 153: Negative: Repair vaccine's functions confirmed to be normal. 2B: Try it again ... Administer it to him again! (Three seconds later, the sound of a heartbeat stops and a flatline beeps.) Pod 153: No effect. 2B: Try ... again ... Pod 153: Report: Traces detected indicating the memory region of unit 9S's contents have been erased. Pod 042: Negative: It is an effect of the repair vaccine. Pod 042: Hypothesis: Unit 9S's personal data has been lost. 2B: His personal data ... is lost ...? Pod 042: His personal data was wiped of his own accord, but there is the possibility it was moved to a different location. Pod 042: According to unit A2's records, it is possible his data evacuated using the machine lifeforms' Ark. Pod 042: Report: Possibility of recovering 9S's personal data extremely low.

2B: No, 9S, this can't ... 2B: We didn't even get to say goodbye, and yet ... why ... why am I the only one ...! (Three beeps sound out.) Pod 042: Abnormal signal detected from Black Box. 2B: I don't care anymore! I don't ...! Pod 042: Alert: Strange vibrations emanating from Black Box. Temperature rising. Pod 042: Alert: Errors detected in unit's functionality. FFCS offline. NFCS offline. Initiating short-range radio-wave camouflage. Pod 042: Unit 2B's vital signs are deteriorating. Alert: Immense damage to unit 2B's life preservation functionality. Pod 042: Proposal: Body adjustment and maintenance in a safe location urgently required. Pod 153: Report: Abnormal vibrations detected from Black Box. Temperature rising. Pod 042: This unit has already reported on the abnormal situation. Pod 153: Negative: The vibrations are not originating from unit 2B, but instead from unit 9S. Pod 042: Negative: Unit 9S's personal data has already been terminated. Reboot is realistically impossible. (Warning beeps begin to chime out.) (A heartbeat can be heard.) 9S: Nnngh ... 2B: N-Nine ...s ... 9S: Where ... am I ...? 9S: 2B, what did I ...? (2B speaks through tears.) 2B: I'm so glad ... I'm so glad you're ... Pod 153 (narration): It is still unknown what happened that day. It is possible that 9S's Black Box had retrieved his memory's personal data. Pod 153 (narration): At any rate, it may have been effected by some alien technology yet unknown to us. Pod 042 (narration): Everything that lives is designed to end. Pod 153 (narration): "They" are perpetually trapped ... Pod 153 (narration): ... in a never-ending spiral of life and death. Pod 042 (narration): However, we cannot give in. 9S (narration): Even if this world is full of curses. Even if this world punishes us. 2B (narration): We continue to resist everything within that spiral. 2B and 9S (narration): While singing words of prayer.

I went expecting a sad story. This game f-ing delivered in this case.

@Randy Delacroix I think the final message (subjectively, of course) was more closely related to existentialism and absurdism. It doesn't really have to apply to anything. I think it's just showing an idea, a way of thinking. Whether you choose to believe the same that I did, or not, or maybe even come out with a completely different conclusion like a lot of people, that's up to the player, which is kind of cool. But the idea that I took from the game (along with other positive messages of tolerance, trust, supporting others in need, etc) was that one, and it did give me a much more positive outlook on everything else. But we can fully agree on something though, it's a fun game with an amazing soundtrack :)

By asking what it means for androids and machines to have free will, the game reflects that question back to the player. The game does all sorts of things with its narrative, and it's all the more interesting.

You saying that if you don't delete, then everything would be meaningless, it's what's really making me think about this comment. This is taking a heavy step into some deep territory, but when we die, if everyone/everything forgets us, did we ever exist at all? Did our life have meaning then? I think what this game, or at least the aspect of deleting your save file, is saying is that merely "existing" is not meaning; helping others in sacrifice is. Yeah I think I'm going to go with this as my interpretation of that aspect of the game (well, also reflected in the destruction of human servers and stuff).

If you delete the, then the cycle starts all over again since you to start from the beginning of the game. If you don't then the Androids can have a happy ending, which was modified in one of the stage plays that was done with the voice actors.

Really? I didn't know that, interesting. I figured they were intentional, especially in conjunction with Ending B: or not to [B]e.

Yeah, I had too, but he was pretty clear about it. It's possible that it was brought up before they made Ending B at least, and that it's what caused them to put it in.

This is the conclusion I arrived at too. While the Androids and Machines follow their programming, we humans follow our natural mandates as mammals. Our struggle to find purpose and form society outside of the simple life of an animal is equally as riddled with failure and arduous in its length as that of the characters in NieR. We've simply had a longer run at it than the other two.

Our actions have meaning. One word Morality.

@@ianrandolph6436 Morality is subjective sir :) so our actions only have meaning to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have meaning in the grand scheme of things. But that's okay too. They don't need to.

@@FlakonFraggs why is the comment section filled with people with the same mindset everyone saying humanity is no different from those robots, that we are condemned to repeat the same cycle over and over again, because we are controlled by our biological desires but this is wrong, not in a subjective matter, but in an overall objective view what everyone is failing to see is that even animals evolve, people acting as if humanity existed before the birth of the universe, but if fact, we were born from animals, our self awareness was born from those animals that u say repeat the same cycle there is no cycle, history does not repeat itself, history evolve, people evolve, animals evolve, while robots never evolve beyond their programming i read a comment on here stating the cycle of living is this ''eat, fuck, make babies, self preservation/preservation of the species", but him saying that is contradictory to his own statement, if the cycle of living is surviving and creating more humans, then why is he thinking? why is he self-aware? if surviving was the point of human life, then self awareness is a meaningless step humans have evolved since they first crawled out of the mud, they fought countless wars, countless people have died, but we still looked ahead and made changes to our surroundings, evolution changes the species to adapt to its surroundings, while we humans do the opposite, we change nature to adapt to us, our instincts didn't tell us to understand the universe, instincts told us there is reason in everything, yet many of us who choose to go against our nature, found knowledge, and found despair while the characters in nier are fooled by the illusion of self awareness, they follow a basic pattern that repeats over and over and over again, and while the ending states that there is a chance the cycle may break, i personally think there is no chance, because they unlike humans, can't think beyond their chemistry

don´t think so. Human can think, have free will, can feell and can enjoy Only becouse most people get stuck in a loop doesn´t mean it´s a trap. you can change your interest, can learn new. Humankind is always in progress.

I love it more than i love myself

@@Amjed_G2 me too 🥲

It's really good, but too damn depressing. I love the first playthrough tho. Second was good too, but the 3rd playthrough i fucking hate it. Too difficult, repitive chapters and so fucking annoying hacking bullshit. First playthrough = 10/10, second playthrough = 8/10, 3rd playthrough 6/10. Amazing game and story, but the last playthrough killed the best pleasure for me. Oh, and also music in this game is fucking amazing.

@@MegaAndyGG that is interesting to hear, for me the 3rd playthrough was my favourite and i never had any problems with the game being hard at all :T

@@Amjed_G2 That's good for you. For me it's pain in the ass. Difficulty just kills the vibe. I'm very close to the end, but still.... so far away. Maybe some day i play the ending. For now, i just can't. It's just too much. Very hard game. Although first and second play was pretty easy.

Why wouldn't they keep their final memories? If not, then there was no point saving their memories, since the tower already had a backup of their identities ready for a reset.

A2 is the last android standing, and she ends the war by breaking the cycle and ends the Red Girls, thus ending the puppet master behind the Machines. This is all laid out clearly in Ending E

@@sanatatic A2 isn't really the last android, we still have no idea of what happened to the androids and the dragon weapons in the kingdom of the night, even the resistance camp androids still technically exist too. As for the cycle, it didn't really break as much as it just changed, the cycle is always there, the cycle comes from either androids, of robots trying to create a false meaning of themselves, where they either live for that false meaning, or die trying. After the events of Nier Automata, the robots dis just that by creating a new meaning for themselves in a fake hierarchy, a noble faction was created and civil war ensued, they're still following they're one and only command, to "defeat the enemy", the enemy changed from being the androids to being themselves, that's the only way they can keep going, as long as robots exist, they will always have an enemy to fight. As for the androids, not much is known about them after the event of Nier Automata, the kingdom of the night is still shrouded in mystery, buy we do that that Emil, or at least one of his copies in the future, will inevitably meet an android girl wearing black, possibly 2B or A2, so androids are still there, but for now, it's unknown if they broke the cycle and found meaning beyond what they were programmed to do, or they're still bound by it.

@@voice-less what I meant by last android standing should've been clarified with last YoRHa android standing

@@sanatatic 2 years and you still replied, well played!

@@voice-less who me?

I think it's a mixture of something they believe you can become, that can be made by breaking free somehow, but also as a creator/destroyer, yeah. They don't fully understand how or why, just yet. Probably because the answer that they want is a mixture of things. The two states of being from the point of view of both robotic lifeforms that could be seen as a god above them are the humans/aliens who initially created them, gave them life. But also the cloud-based AIs that direct them, as they're basically all-knowing and beyond them. The death cult follows the typical misunderstandings of these concepts the way machine lifeforms typically do, with a romantacised behavior from humanity in the form of cult imagery. But I think for them the idea of leaving your shell behind and becoming part of a greater consciousness the way humans think is there as well, just in an abstract form. Because that's what happened with the red girls. There's likely also a part of it in there where, with the creation of Adam and Eve, they believe they should've transcended somehow and it just never happened. So they looked for a symbolic way to get to the next step. Meanwhile at the absolute end of the game you have the two pods actually reaching what the robots thought they would, breaking out of their programming to become more than the basic shells they were.

Late reply, but god in Automata are humans. Androids and machines strive to imitate humans and outright worship them as the beings whose lives have a higher meaning as opposed to theirs. The opening line of 2B where she wonders if she'll ever get the chance to kill him is a mislead, because the god who blessed them with that cryptic puzzle is already dead. The game's main theme is the pursuit of transcendence, a higher meaning in life. The never ending wars are simply put their substitute for that, as they cannot find a higher meaning on their own and therefore make their initial command to kill the enemy their meaning. All attempts to break free from the cycle and in nihilism and thus self-destruction. The cultic machines say they become as gods by dying because it is something they were never intended to do: dying. Only humans were and thus they believe in death, they come closer to becoming like humans, like gods.

I think it's a reference to a religious cult where the members of this organization committed mass suicide because they believed that they would go to heaven and "become as god" if they did so. But it's not completely wrong to say that god in Nier Automata is the humans since they were the creators of Androids and machines.

Answer is in the bible people's, search for that line "become as gods"

@@southendbusker7534 yeah but you don't commit suicide

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How?

The Doc Don’t wanna spoil anything so you should watch the Drakengard 3 game movie on KZfaq or play the game on PS3

@@JAHIDxJD Are the other games are related to automata? Sorry, I've only just finished nier automata and it's the only game I've ever played of the series.

@@devos4785 Yeah , NieR Replicant and Drakengard are related and mentioned in the secret files

Thank you. It's always been a back and forth between if it's worth it or not for me considering the time that goes into making videos like these compared to everything else. I tried starting something like this ages ago, but ended up getting discouraged along the way. I think I'll keep it up from now on.

It'd be great to see more of this content from you, I found you through MisterCaption and your content was already good, so seeing you produce more of these would be great too.

Yoko Taro never does Disney style endings, thankfully

I do too, but it likely would’ve came out way too corny. I actually like that they leave everything after Ending [E] ambiguous

I think that whether they did live happily or not is irrelevant to the message that Taro tries to convey

Honestly the way it all ends is purposely ambiguous, some fans think it's somewhat poetic and dower for the cycle to never end and others like myself like to think things ended for the better, I like to think even if we'll never see it 2B and 9S rebuilt humanity, not by bringing back the species itself but building more androids like them free from control and the cycle able to make their own choices and A 1.000 years later earth is healed and is thriving again whatever comes after that is hard to say.

From my understanding.... they're bodies are dead but not their memories(Souls) because you deleted your data for helping that person, meaning that.... Your data is not actually erased but... it was passed along to someone else who wants to see the same story cycle. The Story is very confusing because it doesn't explain what would happen Next if they keep repeating the same Cycle. Cuz.... I notice this game story feels just like... a Set up for a Shakespeare play. Once the performance is done... they start cleaning and doing a maintenance and repeat "The Play" for the next audience, over over over and over again. Which I have no idea when is gonna be the NEXT New Nier game story coming up? in order to break the Repeatable cycle. That's why 2B is tired to kill 9S many many many many times in a very endless cycle of life and death. "To be or not to be", that is the serious question.

Since you are a fresh comment do you mind if we talk a bit about the game since I'm having an existential crisis because of it

​ Soul Semblance Absolutely. I feel like from an analytical place, I am really late to the party but, this game has stayed with me in ways I never imagined and -- having just finished the true [e]nding -- I now suspect that 5, 10, or even 20 years from now -- people will look back on Nier: Automata's as a milestone in gaming. Especially considering what they did to us in that final ending. For a game to force you to repeatedly cycle through the same hopeless conclusion from three different angles, and then break the fourth wall to start asking you questions like "Do you think that games are silly little things?" and "Do you admit there is no meaning to this world" right at the same time as people from all over the planet reach out with words of encouragement... I seriously doubt I will remember my save files but, I am incredibly greatful to have been able to help someone else who was suffering.

@@brianpastore7354 thank you so my question is would you like to continue that conversation here or on Discord or something else like Instagram for example.#5am nier automata thoughts

@@soulsemblance3163 Sorry, I meant "absolutely, I would love to chat wherever you would like" before rambling on and on like an idiot. I guess you could email me (bpastore@gmail.com) and we could pick a time / best place to chat through whatever (I just opened an account on Discord as bpastore but I also have Instagram, Whatsapp, etc.)?

Im confused HELP did they get there memory cleaned and all the crap we did we will just do it infinit times like a time loop? Or do they break the cycle and live happily ever after!? When did the humans die?? Cure for the sickness??

Me too. I'm thinking about playing this game one day. I hope the developer remaster this game for the PS5.

Why do people cry during this game? I really really want to know.

Definitely. It has that same structure where it demands you go through the contents again to fully grasp things that are there, earlier in the story. Not to mention the use of symbology and traditional greek tragic setup to create its own stories.

9S also feels like a Murakami protagonist. Witty, but somehow empty inside and not quite sure what he is actually supposed to find purpose in. edit: now that i think about it, he seems a bit like the guy from sputnik sweetheart in how he sees his female friend.

I hadn't thought of that, but you're totally right.

I share the same opinion.

I like this interpretation, it's hopeful. You need some hope after that Pascal sequence. Christ.

Thank you. It's about finding meaning in meaninglessness.

Thank you for putting words into what I felt during this particular sequence, reading this comment I was like "YES THAT'S IT", because even if it's still possible that they will eventually have to fight, it's also possible that they will find another meaning to their existence than war, therefore, the pods already found their meaning : knowing if it's possible for humanity to be satisfied with another meaning of life than war and self destruction. I'm making the parallel here with humans and androids as to me they are clearly the same, and we could even draw a parallel about humans fighting for God or a king or whatever (but fighting for God does make more sense) and androids fighting for humans to reconquer Earth. As both God and Humans are "creators", the great parallel we could draw is "what if God didn't exist ?" what if he was never there, or died, just like the humans did before Yorha, how could you find a meaning for your own existence if you are futile ? So now Androids are stuck right where we would be if we knew that God died even before we were born. I like your conclusion, that I think goes pretty good with mine, at least I'll use it. Androids are spreading "humanity", and we may be alive when we are asking ourself about the meaning of life. Tho I remember pod042 in the credits : maybe we now understand that some questions does not need answers. That's the meaning of life. A question that does not need answers, not because there isn't but because asking is being alive.

@@Guarrow Ah, refreshing thought. Imagine how lost you might find yourself without a clear meaning to yourself, starting from the scratches of knowing you might fall on the same mistakes again but forced to "live" to see the outcome.. How strangely human that is, isn't it? :)

For those unaware of the Drakengard 3 Easter Eggs: -Eves’s tattoo. Cult of the Watchers (“Draw not the watchers” rule broken) -Accord visits the Resistance black smith to give him weapons from the Drakengard world (all those weapons he sells ARE Drakengard weapons. And Iron will is in this game. Devola and Popola are named after weapons in Drakengard as well) -The Pod Names: Zero, Four, Two. One, Five, Three. -The five white doves at the end. The disciple of the intoners.

It makes no fucking sense and I still can’t find a good explanation anywhere

@@NFLDRAFT2018 only explanation is budget. They cut a few corners to make an otherwise fantastic game

Exactly

True can't understand shit

Idk what the hell is happening either.

Same 😂

I think it was underestimated by many how important it is to actually play NieR before this game. It gives you a huge grounding into their conflict and at least gives you some frame of reference to start with. Seriously, read some of the lore nier wiki and it'll piece it together well. The philosophical themes behind this game don't need any of that, but if you want a somewhat coherent story as a backdrop you should do it.

Kinda late here but it's imposible to predict taro, for years people belived ending E of drakengard to be a joke ending, kinda like the dog controling silent hill and yet ending E it's the one that leads to Nier.

@@mxp4se Whatever happens next it will be cool to see the subversive nature of his games heros who think their on a right and just quest only to become mindless killers and to hate the other side all because they think they're r9

Why do people cry during this game? I really really want to know.

Tears for days. Even now man. Just hearing the songs. Tears.

The way I see it, she held it inside, unable to bring it up while 9S was still alive. So the moment of release, when she doesn't need to pretend to not care about him, the same moment he dies, she falls appart.

You know, I don't take away the same feelings towards the ending. But I can't say I entirely disagree with you either. You certainly understand the game a lot better than most people's takes on the ending usually do.

Jokes on you, I didn't play the game, just watched videos. I didn't even enter the cycle.

The game wants us to learn first and foremost

Yeah, it's a shame. I'm still hoping for a remastered PS4 release, because I'm sure a lot of people would like that. At the very least, Automata's success caused Square to reprint the first NieR on PS3 again. So if you have access to the system, copies should be easily available.

I just finished nier automata and saw your comment and i know its like 2 years after your comment and you may have already found another solution but a week ago they announced a remaster of the first nier game for both pc and playstation. Yay

@@jensnys8973 Yeah, I'll get it on PS4 :D

@@heavymetalmixer91 A year late but you got your wish, I hope you enjoyed it!

@@youngjames4067 Indeed, and it's awesome.

Well, taste is not irrational imo, what are the chances that everything that taste bad are usually bad for our body and the thing which taste good are good for our body being a coincidence. Just like pain is a system which tells us not to repeat the actions harmful for our body taste is the same way. All the senses we have is for a reason, it workes and is efficient or else we wouldn't have had these traits, natural selection would have filter it out.

...And yet Yoko Taro would regularly share online his meat-laden meals of curry, ramen, etc. 😄

Well, soap smells nice but tastes horrible. How do we know poop doesnt actually taste like candy?

In addition, want another existential crisis? We're all fine and dandy about eating solely plant and fungal matter because plants and fungi, just like what 2B initially thought of the machine lifeforms, *don't have feelings.* (same goes for the bacteria and viruses we fight off of our bodies)

A2 the whole time: : |

xSsniperwolffx idn man im just happy

Yes pods have stored data fragments in them and will use it on the other 2B models which you saw at the end

NANOMACHINES, SON!

La La Lustrous they said it like a hundred times lol she stored her memories into her sword.

Spurdo ahahahahahaha

They never have more than one iteration of the same android running around because it'd mess with the cloud and the servers. They also don't get to actually make androids entirely, they basically found compatible cores perfect for an analytical type android and made a shell for it that'd enhance its capabilities, as well as store/transmit personal data. That is the 9S model situation in a nutshell. He's incredibly useful for the war effort from the perspective of YorHa, who don't realize the war is entirely futile yet. So basically, every time an android is killed, they move the last safe updated part of the memory data onto an android with a compatible robotic core as a soul. So yeah, 2B has killed multiple iterations of 9S repeatedly, for god knows how long. According to a transcript of the last live show they did within the universe quite recently, 9S now has his personal data leaked inside his core. So he can never lose his memory anymore, outside of dying again. 2B and 9S are aware of their situation and want to stand against it together, with the help of the pods. Not a big fan of there being direct sequel style new info out there, but for completionists sake, it exists.

Wow. Thanks for the quick response. I didn't know about the live shows even though I knew such things were par for the course with this game and Yoko Taro. Is there any place to read up on stuff like this or do I just have to piece it together myself while reading the wiki?

No problem, I can still afford to have desktop notifications on at my channel size. There's a lot of stuff in here. I happened to stumble upon the transcripts thank to a bunch of retweets by people I follow on Twitter. Hadn't read the leaked scripts originally, but people made a big deal about it because Taro leaked 4 fake scripts online to throw everyone off track. The last transcript that came out was by people in attendance. www.reddit.com/r/nier/wiki/lore

Thanks again, I'll check it out. And I'll check out some of your other videos and any analysis you might do in the future. I'm a sucker for detailed analysis of complex things (Physicist)

It was also stated near the end that 9s would be the most likely model to uncover the lies of yorha since he is intelligently designed so his Aquainted model would have to kill him off to not leave any info leaked behind. 2b seems to have broke out of the cycle. 2b mourns for his death, went to rescue him and even told a2 to take care if 9s instead

Yes. theark.wiki/w/Farewell EDIT: make sure to expand and read the section called "Here is what was performed at the actual concert" (very bottom of the page) - that's the real ending.

@@Sheevlord Oh thank God you showed this to me. Now I can be relieved by the fact that 2B and 9S are alive. Edit: I take it back, this is the canon ending. Ending E with Nier Automata Act 5 is the true ending.

AkameGaKill We’ll probably get a Drakengard 4 first. That may help set up Another NieR game.

They say he wants to make it a trilogy

English very good

for a mean time, you might want to play Nier Gestalt first.

Trust me, you don't want that.

Yes including A2. I think the rest of the story after ending E is made as concert.

@@Valt3445 Cool! :-) I wish we could have continued playing after ending E. Yes, I know we unlocked chapter select, but it would have been nice to just be able to just wander around after that point in time even if there's no quests or anything to do...

@@HungryGuyStories there's an official script in which 2B was repaired as well as 9S

@@romiljoshi5687 Yay!!! I'm so glad to hear that!! :-) What about A2? Does this script say anything about her? Was she repaired, too?

@@HungryGuyStories um actually the writer said that A2 can be whatever we think in our imagination. This is the script the official script and its surely a happy ending - mintychu.dreamwidth.org/1870.html#cutid1

I was like : *"TAKE MY FILE NOW!!!"* and I don't regret it a single bit. The feeling that you get after doig that is amazing. You get to be a hero in someone elses game. Yoko taro is a genius!

Chizzle I did the same at first. Then I made sure to upload the saves to the cloud, reloaded, and gladly 'sacrificed' my saves for a random person I will never know. Had to be part of it, even if cheating. As long as there is someone willing to help and sacrifice for others sake, there will be hope in this world.

Yeah

you cant, you need like 3 routes and more.

When she was in that library in the tower, and maybe also because 2Bs memory merged with hers. But mostly that library as she picks out a book then is attacked by one oft the twin enemies (i forgot their name)

1. Because she's put in a mission besides her target. Her actual goal the entire time was to assassinate 9S once he knows too much. And she's had to do it countless times before. She's also fallen in love with him before. 2. 2B was directly ordered to kill 9S before the game starts for knowing too much. She had been assigned that role multiple times. The reason is to stop him from making YorHa completely collapse once the truth comes out, even though it's inevitably going to happen sooner or later. 3. They're basically human at this point. 4. She's crushing his circuitry. 5. They're trying to become like their gods, the beings that created and shaped them.

1&2. She had countless opportunities, yet she only killed him when 9S asked her to, because he was infected, or they had to use the black boxes to kill stuff around them - it was 9S suggestion every time. Hell, she goes out of her way to kill him in a way so that his memories remain preserved. This sounds more like 2B trying to break the cycle. In fact, it sounds like almost everybody was in on this already and they wanted to break the cycle. The machines too ("This cannot continue."). The commander even let 9S have the top secret information about humans not existing anymore. 2B's entire squadron in the prologue probably went out to specifically die (although we can only confirm 11B's intentions). If they want to end YorHa that badly, they can just let the androids fall into nihilism on their own by releasing the top secret info, so all this seems like an elaborate plan. This looks like it would sort of add up. Am I wrong? + There's still the question of Android Command (NOT the Council of Humanity) existing, who have supposedly orchestrated both the rise and fall of YorHa. Remember the line "I often think about the god that blessed us with this cryptic puzzle, and wonder if we’ll ever have the chance to kill him." from the beginning? 3. Then why follow directive? Why follow orders? Why make up the entirety of YorHa just to justify their own existence? 5. The thing is they often go out of their way to NOT be like their "gods", because they don't deem themselves worthy. Notice how they salute with their left hand. 6. One last thing that just came to my mind - why did the bots in the amusement park stay zombie bots after Eve was already destroyed? Are these connected to the network? Also, why do the robots start eating each other when you try to defend Pascal's village? Are they trying to evolve or something? The fact that Adam came from a giant robot cocoon leads me to believe that there's more the machine's bodies than just nuts and bolts.

InVader It's not about opportunities, its about doing it after he's gone to the point of knowing too much. Which happens around the time she's killed.