When you see Imperial Allies as Tier 1 unints for the faction, you know something is really wrong with the faction at this moment. 😀

I understand GW's reasoning for wanting to reduce AP across the board and boosting vehicle toughness, but leaving armies such as AS without almost any viable anti tank is one of those "what did you think was going to happen?" monents.

If a faction has to rely on knights to cover their weaknesses, it's not a well-designed faction.

2 squads of 10 arcoflag with preachers and playing "will it blend?" Is the most fun ive had with Sisters this edition

I do not understand why they thought, making the multi melta just a normal melta that shoot twice, would be good enough? They made the short range multi melta worse than a long range heavy laser, at hurting armor. The reason why sisters used multi melta was to hurt armor, and now they can only hurt transports.

Had a game with my sisters a couple of days ago against a friend who decided to bring a big monster Tyranids army. I knew I'd lost as soon as he finished deploying his army.

We built my daughter a AS army...the Paragons paired with Vahl get a great buff and smash pretty hard

Bricky will love this

Small correction on the Sacresants, they get the -1 to wound if they have Junith Eruita as well. I saw your bullet point and had to go check and make sure I hadn't been playing them wrong.

I'm actually quite angry with a company that makes so much money and yet cannot invest enough time to have better balance amongst their products. Having spent a fortune on my army it is almost useless when I turn up to the local games club. It looks to me that they turned the army to zero in the design phase and left them there.

We really are in a rough spot when our Tier 1 units are from another army /sad.

We really just need some points drops. Like a dominion squad full of bolters and storm bolters could end up punching up pretty well with the lethal hits from a palentine. But with that combo costing 185 points, you might as well just take a castigator instead.

I think dominions should have been higher as when paired with a palatine with the sword they make for a good threat that moves up the board

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Considered starting sisters a while back, but man do they seem to be in a rough spot.

I been waiting for this video!!! Got a hand me down army, looking to have fun, even if they're not the best!

Thanks so much for this video. I was waiting for it. I will find a way to make this beautiful army work. I'm thinking about focusing on a tank-heavy 1000pt list with Morvenn serving as my Character, backed up by her girls, a bunch of the different tanks, and a Sisters Squad split up by an Immolator to farm Miracle dice with.

I've been waiting for this one! I think Sisters are a bit better than most people think, but a point reduction would be nice. Arco Flagellants and Penitents are the MVPs for me so far.

sisters to me feel so unsatisfying, the awful leader synergies and lack of many keywords makes me feel like im playing a 9.5th edition army if that makes sense

Thank you for making this tier liest about the nuns with guns!!

A possible video idea is ideas you have to spice up your games. One idea I heard on Poorhammer was to have only half of your army on the board first turn, and then the rest comes on later. Or PlayOn had the mission where the map flooded. I would be interested to hear what ideas others had.

The wombo combo is Dialogus leading a heavy hitting unit like retributers and (only if) you have enough miracle dice to land guaranteed 6’s for anything!

The various sisterhoods will be changing this dramatically, I am thinking. But that said, I think Sisters are just going to have to rely on Twin-linking any time they can get it. Re-roll wounds makes up for the STR differential so wherever you can find that in the list, utilize it. Alternatively you have to make it up with volume of attacks. The Mortifier for example swings pretty hard for 60 points and Crusaders are ultra dirt cheap way to get those corner objective points. I also like the Dominion more than he does? I think they aren't nearly as sweet, but with an Immolator they can combat squad giving you some really nice cheap sitters, and still bring good punch otherwise. The lack of much in the way or creating mortal wounds against things like Custodes actually worries me a lot though. Really low access to that mechanic for Sisters.

They really should allow them to use Land Raiders, seeing as how they are part of the Inquisition

Ive been running a 2 model unit of Pengines. And 2 lone mortifier units with the sarcophagus and twin buzz blades for the twin linked keyword and the heavy bolters for some okay plink fire. They run some pretty awesome disruption and i find that the 3+ sv of having them solo works in making them that extra bit more survivable. So far i like the mortifiers more than the PEngines. Also i cant stress enough how good tank shock is with these things. If you haven't tried them in a list with tank shock on a charge with a t10 buzz blade you should !

When allied units are at the top of the tier list that is a big red flag

Minor observations from trying to salvage the absolute state of this army rn: -Dominions aren't bad when "squaded" into an Immolator, with meltas on all of the special weapons and Immolator. You can add a palatine if you like, but the fire support helps to punch up slightly and scout helps get in range -one little trick is leaving a battle sister squad adjacent to a rhino on your home objective in deployment to farm a MD in your first command phase, and THEN putting them into the rhino in the movement phase -kitbash 2 to 3 squads of crusaders from Necromunda kits instead of paying over a dollar per point for garbage finecast -stacking junith and a hospitaller on a battle sister squad makes them quite survivable for actually holding objectives, and a total of 4 flamers (junith, heavy flamer, flamer, hand flamer) can be mean on overwatch -sacresants are decent for holding back field with a leader other than Junith, as -1 to wound alone is actually pretty decent against indirect fire -Tank Shock is brutal on War Mace paragons (although I'd probably just run one) and Buzz Blade penitents -running MSU of everything possible is generally best just for farming miracle dice, the exception being things like Engines. you basically need to assume that a squad of regular humans will be wiped in one shooting phase if you haven't invested in its defenses with character buffs or thrown it into a transport. The detachment ability isn't worth counting on whatsoever

You know for being the first army i ever owned I have very little interest in playing or collecting sisters, still love these videos

The problem with units like Retributors is they’re identical to their codex entries from 3rd edition, as in 2005. Back then running pure Sisters or GK was incredibly difficult and they were meant to run with an Inquisitor and an IG company. Retributors and Sisters squads were pretty cool back then when they just had to sit behind 20 man blocks of Cadian speed bumps. The whole game was built around Marine Rhinos or Landraiders charging forward so having 4 multimeltas sitting on backfield objectives was actually pretty useful.

Played a single game of 10th and did so useing sisters. So I aint got mych data to go on. The 6++ save felt kinda lackluster. Not much had 4 AP. Anf of they did, I often had cover. Miracle dice are nice. But if you ate cursed like me and roll a ton of 1s and 2s they aint THAT great. More ways to use or reroll those low rolls would be good. Units? Well, rets being more expensive than devastators is just insane. But they felt pretty good. Playing vs imperial guard, the lack of ranged anti tank was realy felt. What sisters realy have are cheap MSU units and cheap support characters. Dialogus, banner-lady and hospital felt realy nice to add to your major players. Haveing access to 20pts crusaders also felt nice. A great pick for objectiveholding as well as a potential for them to follow along a valubale unit and then BAM! Pop the "taunt" stratagem. The elite unit or monster or whatever must now make all his melee vs a small 20pts unit instead of the large squad you actually care about. Immolator is expensive, but splittring a SoB unit in 2, and just bringing the good parts while leaving 5 regular sisters tonhold the home objektive is also nice

Repentia I believe are most useful when you use them in Reserves, and then burn a good miracle die of 5 or 6 to turn their charge into a 4+/3+ roll.

Castigator battle cannon ignores cover however, which is nice. I still think they need to buff the meltas, and give them better anti tank weapons, that and a point cost reduction.

Do you have a list one could make? I think it'd be cool to throw a list together at the end of these videos.

I'm getting a Canoness to paint but don't know what to equip her with, I'm just getting into the hobby so not sure what wargear is best to go with, any advice?

I cannot wait for the Votann video... Because (to quote Bill Bailey) I'm British and crave disappointment.

Well i was checking this video out to see what units i she be aiming for and im quite happy to know my knight castellan is a very good choice for a sisters army

14:08- I do love watching your videos and I love when this channel has new videos to watch! But if I may……. The one thing that I wish you would or could add to these videos is how many troops are for how many points!?! For example, how many troops are 70pts? And then would it be double that for 140pts? Either way I think it would be great if you added that on that line or at least said it out loud!?!

The sisters have such cool models and I wish they’d have even more but The sisters of battle need either a drastic point decrease or to have something akin to necron reanimating protocols built into their core units and definitely some units with longer ranges would be a step in the right direction

Dominions in tier 5 is absolute barking madness. Scout + every single one of their weapons being Assault gives them wild mobility to deliver a set of meltaguns or a flamer bomb out to wherever you need it at a moment's notice, and if running meltas or storm bolters they pair very nicely with a palatine as a punchy harassment unit.

What is that preacher model?

I still miss Witch Hunters. I want an army where I could put some nuns, inquisitorial agents and GKs together to fight the witch

One thing to add for the Mortifier: Regular Penitent Engines are still better, however the morti has a 3+ and 6++ save which makes it a bit more survivable.

6 am upload the commitment......... only in death 😁

While I'm hardly experienced, I do agree that the MSU Flagellants are the better choice. Its a cheap unit that is a threat, but that you also don't care about over-charging because the Miracle Dice them dying will net you.

You missed something with the Immolator. It can split 10 woman squads into two 5 woman squads. The Dominions are useful because they have assault, and can run and do actions or shoot, and can be split in an Immolator.

How do i get that preacher?

I don’t know about this one. In every after action report in 10th edition, the players have said that the war suits were their mvp’s.

I still think that the missionary and preacher are equal contenders to lead arco flagellants, because the missionary gives rerolls to hit, and the Holy Rage stratagem gives +1 to wound, meanwhile preacher gets no rerolls but essentially gives a free holy rage stratagem. Both good options

So i think the unti that was the biggest hit this edition was the Dominion squad to be honest, i had mine set up as a unit five with a combi-melta and melta guns in an imolator last edition and they were very deadly to tanks and transports, it's not impossible to do that no with them but the squad size means they have to go in a rhino no so they are losing a lot of firepower. You can split the squad with the Imolator but then you just have five sisters with bolters hanging around and they kind of feel like wasted points, i'd rather just have a five strong Battle Sisters squad, they have better weapon options and more utility in general. I have found that Retributors with Heavy Bolters and a Hospitaller is quite a good set up for long range anti-infantry support, the Hospitaller will keep the Retributors alive, it might be better to have more sisters in the unit but they are capped to 5 so casulties will hurt epesspecially at 130 points so the cheap Hospitaller in their unit to mitigate that is the best option and i've found the unit should make its points back at least. As for the Paragon Warsuits i've found the best way to use them right now is to be very aggressive with them so as to get their Multi-Melta's in range quicker, though it is very easy to get them isolated like that. Also i've found the swords to be a better option its not as good as the mace in vehical combat but they are still ok and if you need to clean up infantry they are a far better option.

A single change that would help the sisters is the limitation to BSS for 2 heroes. Why can i make tanky dearh blobs with my blood angels including especially jump pack units but i can only put FNP and a Canonness on BSS that i want to keep on objectives and are neither tough or deadly

Your Arco-Flagellant Math seems off: 60 attacks turn to 40 hits and thus 13,3 Wounds (with the character) and also rerolling wounds because they're twin linked so more like 20 wounds or something?

I don't understand why meltas aren't strength 10 as a rule. S9 just makes them unnecessarily weak against the one thing they're supposed to kill. Neuters the faction that relies so much on them.

Hopefully sororitas get better anti-tank options. They got little benefit from the toughness boost to vehicles and their signature meltas are very swingy. Paragon suits need to come down in price or go up in toughness because they are the only attacks outside of hunter-killer one-shots over S10. How Morvenn Vahl is so cheap while being a monster and a force multiplier is just weird next to the full unit costing so much. Also she’s one of the few units with a worthwhile miracle use of 6 for devastating wounds on the lance.

Storm bolter dominions with a palatine for 16 lethal hitting damage two shots has done quite well for me, even against power armor. They’ll bounce off Anything with a 2+ save though

I've had a good amount of success with a very trash heavy list, and 2 exorcists. Lots of crusaders, deathcult, exaction, and 5 x 1 pin eng/ mortifiers.

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What mini is that for the preacher at 12:06 I've never seen it and it looks a million times better than the current preacher with chainsword mini Edit: I found it, its Pious Vorne from the Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress boxset

Canoness, Junith and Celestine should all be tier 3. Palatine is better than Canoness for cheaper (and has a good synergy with Dialogus). Junith realistically bring a couple of CPs in a game, not enough for 100 points and a weak profile. Celestine is more expensive than 10 Seraphim, who have 8d6 flamer shots (+ 8 Bolt Pistol shots and 1 plasma shot). The damage is not even comparable. If there was a S tier, Seraphim should be there alone.

the less sisters models u got on the list the better shot of winning!

Strange looking back at this post balance slate/post people figuring out the sort of lists Sisters can be successful with.

I thought dominions were interesting when they had an extra shot on their assault bolters. Shame they lost that with the errata.

me and an aeldari player where chatting over why they(eldar) are nerfed and sisters arnt despite near same rules and yeah they are seriously lacking alot of options eldar have in spades

Interesting take - I’d love to see you do a co-stream with Christian Von Carmian. They’re heavily Sisters focussed, and have been playing them for years, and differ in opinion on quite a few things. For instance, in their opinion the Hospitaller is quite valuable, as are Dominions with storm bolters when paired with a Palatine. I’d love to hear you guys discuss it back and forth, and compare your tier lists 🙂

Is the problem with Sororitas their points costs? I'm not sure, I'd wager the issue is more with their rules and overall lack of focus and strength. For instance, what do Retributors actually do? heavy bolters are alright I guess, but this faction doesn't struggle for bolter fire. Heavy flamers are okay at overwatch protection, which is cool. Multi-meltas are terrible at hurting vehicles but very good at killing MEQ and TEQ models...lol what? Or Zephyrm, which compared to Seraphim do what, exactly? S4 melee instead of S3? I guess that's cool but ultimately means nothing in 10ed, especially on a T3 W1 platform. This faction needs a comprehensive rules overhaul to bring it up to being a competitive army.

The dogmata being so bad really makes me sad. Last edition, because of hymns, you could make her a decently fun beatstick, especially with bloody rose. Now that she's just objective based, she's just not worth taking compared to other characters who add more to sister squads. Even if they dropped her point cost she would still be odd to fit into lists I think.

I feeel like 35 pts for 2 units who cant shoot with no surviability is way to much, they are 17 pts for a model 6 pts more than a nornal sister, to get the death cult useable imo they need a good pts drop.

morven vaal and celestine are waay too high on this tier list . I personally would have the arco flagellants in tier one but tos could go either way tbf

Okay I have a big disagreement with this one, Dominion sisters this edition have a pretty excellent utility in being highly mobile, armed with all assault weapons (which are better this edition), and they’re one of the sources of Meltas and thus anti tank in the army. Retributors sound great, but their lack of maneuverability and their range being decreased to the point that Dominion sisters are more often the ones able to land boosted shots has blasted them down from any glory they had. Dominions and Retributors are the same price this edition, Retri’s get a boost to sound rolls slightly (though not a very helpful one due to the Strength vs Toughness of this edition), 2 cherubs they may not live to use, and Multi Meltas with twice the shots of the normal melta but as a heavy weapon and +6 range. Dominions are rolling in with scout allowing them or a vehicle they’re in to move at game start, extra mobility due to re-rolling advance rolls, assault on all their weapons which this edition had no to shoot penalty of using, and most importantly 10 ladies instead of 5, that’s twice the bodies in general and more so 5 bodies to block shots before anyone important dies, this is especially important with how our only detachment right now is Our Martyred Lady which can only gain us meaningful benefits on infantry when some of the models die. All in all I think it’s just dumb to rate Dominions in tier 5 and Retri’s in tier 3 like in this list, it especially feels terrible to see Retri up on tier 3 for our army when Devestators from space marines are straight upgrades by comparison while costing less points. Oh, and if you’re intending to put them in an immolator, while I think a normal squad of battle sisters is best for that (shoving both meltas you can take into it for a cheaper squad cost and generally more death utility), dominions I feel are still a better choice than Retri’s because of scout, their +1 to hit by comparison, and they’ll leave you with a tarpit 5 girl squad to hold objectives or go on a more out of the way route with advance moves to be a thorn in the enemy’s side

8:31- Really?!? I didn’t think these were going to be that bad! These (the models in the picture) are brand new models! I thought they would have been at least the top of tier 2 if not tier 1!?! Too bad

I only play crusade and non-competitive games and I have lost all of them. (it might be because I am an awful player, hahahaha) I think there are too many things to fix, but to begin with there is a big problem with detachment rule. Have you ever got the second part of the rule triggered? In my experience, my units are wiped out before getting +1 to wound, so they should change that first in my opinion. Then, I don't understand why in previous editions we could add 20 battle sisters in the Battle Sister Squad or 10 in Retributor Squad, but now only 10 and 5 respectively. In addition, 5 retributors are more expensive than 5 devastators. That is insane! Moreover, Space Marines can have two characters joined to different units, but why sisters only to Battle Sister Squad? and Don't Celestian Sacresant use a storm shield? why Storm Shield gives an extra wound to terminators, but not to sisters? There are many things that I don't understand, honestly. Hopefully, this is just the index, a patch between 9th and 10th, so I presume that when the codex comes out, everything will be fix and I hope that in this edition is not Adepta Sororitas = Bloody Rose only. In short term, they are only going to fix it with point changes, so fingers crossed. we will see how it changes. Regarding the video, I think that dominion should be in a higher tier as well as Paragons, which are a bit pricy, but in my matches has been the best unit due to T6. Retributors tier 5, too price and die with a glimpse. Great Video! excellent job!

They used to be my main army and I check in from time to time to see what’s new with them, but this is abysmal revisions by GW.

Calling it now, Ministorum Melta weapons is coming, because Emperor damn it these melta cannot kill vehicles. (also i dont really want unit point drops because that means i'd have to buy more)

The nerf to melta was so stupid and leaves this army smoked , can they win still ? Sure but man will it feel hard.

There's no way Arco flagellants can get 22w on t12 vehicle. By the numbers 14 at best and most will be saved. With no ap and 1 dam I don't see how these are any use

You will stop seeing Imperial Allies and possibly crusaders being run under the following conditions: All Sororitas infantry are min-sized 5 women squads and the Multi-melta gets a buff. If they give the Multi-Melta longer range, twin-linked, Anti-Vehicle 4+ or a combination of these, this thing will put back the “cannon” in “glass-cannon.” In the meantime, I guess I can be the asshole who runs 3 Castigators that hovers any and all infantry or tanks. The twin-linked auto cannons may as well be the Grim Reaper to Terminators.

Can you do an anti tank tier list for space marines?

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Why are the sisters getting nerfed so hard. Some of the tier 5 and 4 units were some of my most effective..

I think you’ve overvalued the Sisters of Battle unit. Its hideously overcosted compared to similar T3 units that can respawn and Space Marine units that more than double their statline for 70 points. It’s a relic from 3rd edition where having a mixed squad was an actually a big boost to damage and bolters could reliably kill T3 infantry. I think they do need to start looking at the base profile. Sisters are meant to be an elite army that should brutalise chaff stuff like Genestealer Cults. So they should at least get another attack and go to 3 up WS. In my view they should also go 2 wounds because they’re wearing power armour. Also the Martyr ability should change so that you can just spend a miracle dice (which you get from a unit dying) to unlock that ability on a unit. So that they’re inspired by the fallen etc etc.

Sad that some of Sisters' best units are not even Sisters units.

it is very sad when your tier 1 units are not even part of you "main faction"

''I don't think they are unplayable at this point'', my man, 10th edition is not playable for 50% of all armies at this point lol.

I think people are sleeping on the Imagifer and Hospitaller - anything that makes Battle Sisters survive on an objective for longer is going to help keep them around for their miracle dice and detachment buffs. The Hospitaller in a unit of Sacrosents and either character makes them a tar pit in melee - of course I get the arguments that this would be more desirable if they hit a bit harder in the first place or had better OC, but if you're going to be taking those units anyway, it's worth dragging out their survival as much as possible. Using miracle dice to get your invulnerable or FNP saves at the right time is also something you can get surprising mileage out of if you're farming them with the main Battle Sisters.

It seems like points adjustments will only go so far. Making a junk unit cheaper, points wise, doesn’t make it a good unit. I feel like all the bottom tier factions (DG, Votann, Admech and Sisters) are in the same boat. Their army/detachment rules are weak and they lack the type of units that an army needs to compete in 10th. Very disappointed.

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I really really disagree on those DOminions. I understand your points but remember u can still make a 5 man squad when u include an immolator and put inside all special weapons and rest basic 5 sisters will be obj grabbers etc. And remember their ALL guns have assault - even meltas

Finally, my gals get their video. I’ve played 2 games with them so fair. Melta change is definitely felt but they feel good. Tanks are very much so the way to go which is a bit annoying. But paragons are so good and worth the investment now!

this list has got to be a joke! celestine doesnt do anything to move the needle except soak up points

Day 14 of asking for a drukhari tier list

It's all terrible for the sisters, I'm headed for the old world..bye

Look how they butchered my girl.

You can sleep now