So if I pay for a service, I own that service?

​@@drinmer1you should if the company advertises their service as a product

@@drinmer1 Go get scammed by Adobe if you like them that much

​@@toiletfx5679bro same here

​@@drinmer1 if someone sells me a pencil and I make a drawing with that pencil, should the seller own the drawing?

I switched to Affinity when Adobe announced their subscription basis years ago, but I still use CS3 (and Lightroom V1) on an older computer and with an older epson printer that I can still get ink for. It doesn't have all of the bells and whistles of the newer software but it's still a very capable dinosaur that doesn't require continued payments.

Take care of that computer and OS installation! I recently upgraded my 8 yo PC, and could not activate in the new one. I even tried emailing them, but they consider it a discontinued/obsolete product. Had zero issues with other developers (eg Ableton...)

Still using CS5…

@@VictorDelPrete Same. The CC versions are bloated wrecks.

@@lucluco3274 Interesting. Same for me, but I might be a bit more resistive - here in Germany we have a different legal system. I'll see what comes out of it (and this "discontinued/obsolete product" does not exempt them here in Germany - a perpetual license is a perpetual license, so they have to activate my product or give me an alternative way of making it run). Maybe Adobe needs to be actually sued for this practice …

Wdym "lol"? It's a reasonable claim. You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you.

@@Loggus66 it's not an reasonable claim. once you buy an item, you own it and it's former owner( the store ) doesn't own it anymore. But now you may only buy it if they still keep ownership while not longer owning it anymore. ain't that weird and unfair ?

Okay, Logus. You went to the store, bought hammer and built house using it. Then, company which produces hammers declares something like “everything you’ve built using our hammer belongs to us”. Is it fair?

@@Loggus66 Dude. Even if you go out there and actually RENT(!) something, like a Truck, tools or what ever the company that gave it to you is not "entitled" to any of the profits that you're making with that Truck or the goods that you're hauling and creating with it. This kind of practise has been actually common at some point like hundreds of years ago but it was seen as extremely unjust. Because that is what was done with peasants ... are we the peasants of Adobe now?

Guys i'm pretty sure Loggus66 is being sarcastic because he said "You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you." after the potentially inflammatory first part.

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@@harjotbal3187 let's hope Adobe does not see your comment. lol

Or just cancel your card xD

That is so Adobe. A glitch they overlook finally works in our favor.

I spent months trying to cancel my plan, I wish I saw your comment sooner. They’d lie to me saying they cancelled it, and I’d end up getting charged again! Call back, explain what happened, and they’d tell me they can’t even refund what they charged. Went back and forth with this for a very long time. Eventually decided the next step would be to contact my bank

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They will go after these as well with the adobe genuine software checker.

​@@Canleaf08yea I got hit by the license checker with the most recent version, I'm going to try an older version

​@Canleaf08 that's just a series of background services you can scrub from your computer.

​@@sunla I went a step further and removed Windows and Adobe software from my computers. It's Linux time.

No quarter!

100%

You know where i can get a safe pirated version?, i'm new to the piracy scene and i'm not good at finding stuff without malware

Arr, matey.

I never spent 1$ for their product. I always went to piratebay

So what will be your alternatives?

@@code.designAffinity

Very few people live to 87 years, you basically spent half of your life supporting the scum known as Adobe. I've pirated their software for 90% of the time that I've used it... So maybe it balances out in the end.

Personally, I don't think I will cancel my subscription to Adobe because of a very simple reason, I never had a subscription to any Adobe products... 🙂👍

I stopped over 10 years ago when they started to demand a monthly pay.

The first version of Photoshop I used was 2.5, released in 1993. This was before it had the concept of layers! Canceling my subscription felt like giving up a little piece of myself. Of course, Adobe is just another company out to make a buck. It's hasn't been about the art for a long time (if it ever was). There are plenty of other great tools today, and the only real burden in giving it up is that now I'll have to carry around a somewhat heavier wallet.

You're 87 years old? I'm impressed, most people your age don't have much of a grasp of software tools.

LMAO!!!

Seriously though. I flagged background Adobe processes running after I "deleted" it, and it basically still ran every process it did before deletion. Could see it was transferring data, so clearly even after removing the software they keep the trackers on and conveniently forgot I wasn't a customer anymore. Even with MULTIPLE software removal tools the Adobe suite is STILL being flagged in my background processes. It's fucking absurd, and the fact that they still are collecting my data after I uninstalled their software is the icing on the cake.

Except that John Adobe doesn't have the gall to record a video in his luxurious mansion explaining that he just sold the rights but to make things even, teach how to cancel your subscription while smoking the fattest cigar

@@DisDatK9i feel like this wouldn't be possible on macos

As a man of nearly 50, I recall back in the windows 95/98 days, it was recommended to reinstall windows once a year to combat bloat. Now it's recommended to do the same to combat corporate spyware.

Yeah but even in the EU things should be even stricter - and first of all, ppl should be educated. To don't buy from sh.t companies. Anything. But the lobbyists are here just as much as there.

You’re not the only one, i am trying to cancel it myself but i had a college plan and can’t even cancel i had to pay for 4 more months to cancel it

Call your bank

U have to block and cancel your credit card in order to stop them from taking more. U can go to the police to put in a file of fraud and theft to get your money back.

@@jefdamen2977 At least i manage to change by plan and reduced my cancelation fee, Thank for that last drop of kindness adobe, I'll never use you again...

Have the transaction blocked by your bank ​@@AriZenCh.

Yep me too I call Adobe Adios now

well done

Perfect reason to cancel

Same, i was a costumer for 8 years

It feels good right! I'm rocking Davinci Resolve and Affinity (and actually Photopea even more), and have not missed much. The AI background removal is the only thing I've missed tbh.

I cancelled adobe years ago and I still have adobe updater and other shell files randomly ghosting my OS. Almost impossible to find and delete all the files. Totally agree it operates like a f***ing malware.

Revo uninstaller is a tool everyone should get.

@@albertwong4516I remember back in the late 90s my dad installed at&t dial up no matter what he tried the software kept automatically opening and trying to dial into their service on startup.

for me i found this easier than trying to find then remove everything adobe. Moving all my content to an external hard drive that wasn't already then resetting my windows install as Adobe has so many hooks even after you uninstall Adobe CC

You still need to go further. After uninstalling Adobe products, it's been found that there still is something left over in the PC. People have found that if they try to pirate PS after previously owning a real copy, somehow Adobe will detect it and auto delete it from your computer.

Of course you have right...and even Jessica from Adobe Legal Team would agree with you

that's what happens when you feel like you can't be touched - you say and do too much and get a putdown.

Why does it seem like it's always an American company

That is the core of the issue, this applies to every big tech company, look at apple for example, people are stupid enough to spend a big amount of money for a phone, or nvidia they want sometimes 2000 USD for a graphic card. the problem is not these evil corporates as we know they are out there to make money, the problem is with people buying their products.

this

EXACTLY. And they took it hook-line-and-sinker.

Agree. People just agreed to humiliating relationship between them and company.

Could not agree more.

LMAO

Something had to, he made the wrong call on UK inflation.

@@TheReferrer72He was correct only the greedy service sector is holding up inflation otherwise all other prices are falling

The sponsor of today's video?

​@@RoxStar_ethRight because inflation should be calculated by backing out greedy companies high prices and not what the end users pays..

Generative ai is not the bad guy in this scenario - because I look at it as a more accurate clippart resource- you still need to be able to manipulate it, and if you have an idea or vision it can only get you in range of it - not always what you are looking for. The way ai learns may be questionable if your are taking art from people without their permission or without giving them a royalty a little like sampling was in the music scene then thats not right. The creative industry has been eroding for 30 years - there was a time when in an agency had a designer, illustrator, writer and a plethora of other positions then we were asked to multi-skill learn new programs so we became multimedia artists the businesses cut their costs made more money and we had to keep up. I imagine now they probably have mostly freelance/contract designers that they use project based which has been around for a long time. I am out of the industry for many years and someone asked me to design their logo last year for 80 euro( I would not even turn on the computer for that ) because thats what another designer quoted, I told them to use the other designer. They should just go to fiver and have rapid fire artists work (they may even do a great job)on their logo or get ai to generate it. Like many people they want everthing dirt cheap and not interested in a long term collaboration that favors everyone.

true. I do work for some really confidant stuff / clients with lot‘s of security issues and tons of NDAs. I actually fear to use adobe software for that kind of work in the future.

Once they've trained their generative AI, they've already won. The Adobe brand and its product line can tank, but at that point it doesn't even matter anymore. The trained AI model is now the only thing that matters. And the people willing to pay to use it won't be creative people with moral objections.

@@Oakette If Adobe is so stupid, that they really think one model will carry them. I run stable diffusion locally on my hardware. I switch models every month or so. Especially Juggernaut is incredibly powerful, maybe even the most advanced model for generating People at the moment. This model receives updates very frequently. If adobe is betting everything they have on one model, they will be dead by the end of 2025. Which might also be a good thing.

@@cdertschei It will probably be impossible now. Any situation where you are working with sensitive data or data you have no right to sublicense can’t be done with adobe anymore.

They are not "taking ownership" of your content, they still let you use it ;) you just give them the right to do what they want with it, it is still yours, this is common, Facebook had the same crap for many years (and now they use it for AI training).

Lets hope EU GOV does the same, also possibly on GDPR law violations as well, need hot shot legal companies to take class actions on our behalf.

Government suing companies like that? Really ? ..id rather need to see money supply on blockchain diminish from these companies after being sued, everything is just not believable.

Karma nothing. If found guilty they will barely have to pay 2% of their capital.

The US gov is a slave to big companies so be prepared for nothing to happen

That’s why I haven’t bothered to cancel it, I just got myself new card. Ridiculous of adobe trying to charge me more money just to cancel my subscription. ADOBE HAD BECINE BERY GREEDY!

Nahhh. The government can do far more damage to your life than a private lawyer. Plus, there are government lawyers.

and imagine - those days (cs3-cs6) adobe was still considered as legit company. Support was not outsourced to some Bangladesh 3rd party. No damn software "rental" and no annoying cloud services

⁠@@unitradwa8314why can’t it be a legit company while outsourcing ?

@@unitradwa8314 Well support was outsourced - for a long time it was done by Stream in Beaverton. When they absorbed Macromedia - their support was done in the Philippines. After the merger they migrated everything to India where its largely handled by an outsourcing company (I can't remember who). When I applied to become a tier 3 tech - that was working for Adobe directly - you can see my name in the credits in help about for some products.

@@unitradwa8314 I actually first started there as a tech working for their outsourcing partner in Beaverton. It wasn't until a few years after they absorbed Macromedia (who did their support in Philippines) that they started moving tier 1 support to India. When I became a tier 3 tech it was for Adobe directly. It was a genuinely fun place to work :).

This.... We are not even allowed to have internet connection on our work computers for security and legal reasons.

​@@crableproductions5112So they've basically got root access to just record everything on your computer screen at all time? If so, I can't see why they wouldn't be exploiting and brokering just about any content, data ,behavior, that's of value and who's to say where the buck stops they could just tailor it to meet demands of anyone willing to pay. Wait didn't they do something with their cloud file syncing like change the service , and or charge extra or something? Damn I may have lost a bunch of work I haven't logged into creative cloud at all in months.

hospitals too! personal health info...

Happened to me too. I kept my work photos on a Cloud Software that I've paid monthly to store Data. Turned out, they sell those pictures elsewhere that can be search & easily found by google image search engine. Lucky enough, all photos I've taken of a specific house, was on Canon Camera that haven't been copied to Cloud yet. The House belong to a Chinese Billionaire with Maximum Security, for construction workers, they are not even allow to use to Phone. All phones must be confiscate before entering the area, so there'd be no pictures. Even the construction teams, are changing from Floor to Floor, in order to prevent a single group to know where part of the house. There are like 50 different construction company that work on that site. I can't imagine if the photo were leaked, they would've probably sue me to the bones.

Not only, Adobe lost customer trust of them being a reliable business partner with their back-and-forth. Probably the most important currency is now widely gone

Experienced that pricing catch myself

I experienced a similar thing. I used the free trial and turns out i can't cancel without paying extra money, because it's an annual plan that you pay month to month. Though i got rid of this by changing my plan and using the 15-day refund thing, it's fucked that i had to search for such a weird way to get my money back.

I used PayPal for my subscription, after a few months of use and realising Adobe are still bloatware, I went to cancel and realised the same issue as you, immediately revoked the PayPal authorisation. They tried billing me as usual for three more months, then I got a surcharge stating it’s been auto cancelled and I owe them for the rest of the term. Well that was over a year ago, nothing has come of it and they don’t email anymore.

I pay $70.00 per month and you're crying about 60.00 for an entire year, you're funny 🤣

@@lisabrightlybecause money is relative. 60$ was a lot for him he just stated. Don’t be like that Lisa. UGH

I've had similar experience with other software. Ended up just blocking the merchant on my bank's side :) Easy and effective.

Same thing happened to me. When Adobe went to the subscription model, I told myself, "Screw that -- I'll just use my purchased copy of CS6 as long as I can." A few months later, when I launched a CS app, a window came up saying my license had expired and I had to update to the subscription version. I called Adobe, made a huge stink, talked with 4 different people, and they ended up giving me a new passcode that would allow access for another year. I used that time to migrate to other tools.

All companies are thieves masquerading as businesses... and NEVER EVER think that a business is your friend or has your interest in mind. All they care about is MONEY. Nothing else. You mean nothing to them except your money.

​@@SplashJohnfrom my understanding of the law, which I read on this topic about 12 years ago, so long as you maintain a physical copy of a piece of software you have purchased, you can legally run a pirated copy. I maintain a physical CS6 collection and still use the software without issue. However, due to updates by various software and drivers, I will be switching to Linux and likely, finally, shifting to other software in the very near future.

@@Mtaalas "All"? "Never ever"? "Nothing else"? Yeah, that's a nuanced worldview right there.

You're not telling the full story, people were stealing from Adobe because even though they required the software purchases there were tons of pirated versions. I should know - I never bought software. I had hackers install every single version that I ever used up until 2012. Of course the work versions were paid for but in my personal life I bootlegged everything and I know plenty of designers who did the same thing. Adobe had to do something, they were losing hundreds of millions. That doesn't make them thieves, they're a business.

I'm seriously contemplating cutting off Adobe too. So expensive each month.

I feel bad for the people who weren't able to switch sooner :(

Or you can revert to good old PRE-cloud versions like v6.0 when it was made by proper people

We all know once they start they could change their teams and conditions any moment, never trust any subscriptions product for long term use. Same to me, just stay away from their product with even need to read the teams and conditons, also one of product license I owned was rejected when i need to restall.

Boy I Love Cotts!

Oh yeah. I have no commercial relationship with them but I bet I sent over hundreds if not thousands of new customers. :)

Lets hope they do not Ctrl C+V Adobe & Microsoft SAS model

@@SashaYanshin Me being one of them.. I've never heard of affinity until this video. THANKS!!!!!!

@@dafyddthomas7299 Eh, Affinity was bought by Canvas, and while they vehemently deny anything will change, I'm not hopeful. But my, by now ancient, Photo 1.5 still works with my even more ancient digital camera.

And they KNEW what they were doing with their "sudden" 50% off deal! 🤣

Not to mention Google.

Other companies at least give you control to say NO. Figma allows opt in or opt out.

Big companies in general can get away with a lot of things that small businesses can't, and would result in the latter going out of business. There shouldn't be one rule for them and another rule for the rest. We've already had separation of church and state, how about we go for separation of business/economy and state next?

@@brandon_youtube like apple with their no opt-out AI assistant that will scan your hard drive and feed it to chat gtp? right

Louis Rossman makes loads of videos about big companies screwing their customers.

Totally agree, I remember when they did that it caused total uproar in the creative community - we never wanted this subscription in the first place! Subscriptions are a fucking con.

@@MR_THINQ "it caused total uproar in the creative community" And then most of them opted to pay their subscriptions. Adobe shareholders: 😂

I've held onto my old copies of CS 5 & 6 for so long...now I know why.

Welcome to technofeudalism Better pay your landlords for the right to toil on those digital fields

@@organismseven3700 tit

I have never paid for a single piece of software. Just call me Captain Jack Sparrow, a pirate. I have never bought Windows or Adobe, and I build computers and am a professional photographer. I also dabble in digital art and 3D modeling and CAD. I thought back then that paying $1200 for software that edits photos is insane, and now the idea of paying $60 for software to edit photos is still insane. I have never paid and I never will. Autodesk Inventor, 3ds Max, Maya, Photoshop, Illustrator, Affinity Designer, Camtasia, Corel Painter -- never paid for any of it. And I never will. People, learn to create rules in your Windows Firewall, and go nuts. F*ck subscriptions. Know what pisses me off is the fact that colleges are making students pay for Adobe subscriptions -- because they are beholden to Adobe, for whatever reason -- even if the student only needs Adobe for a single day, or week, or month, or however long it takes to finish a project required for a class. Even though that student will only have need for that software for however long it takes for he or she to complete a college project requiring Adobe, he or she is locked into Adobe's subscription for a year. THAT is the basis for a lawsuit, it is patently evil. Nevermind the headache of getting out of that subscription. And don't think for a moment that Adobe doesn't know this. Of course they do. And the colleges promoting Adobe know this too. I wouldn't be surprised if Adobe were giving colleges across the country free licenses for college instructors as long as the colleges required the students to buy the Adobe subscriptions out of their own pockets. Again, people, pay for nothing. Even if it isn't a subscription model, it is almost certainly massively overpriced. Just find some key generators, some cracks, some DLLs, and go nuts. I don't care. The little guy struggling to create a business model or break into an industry doesn't have the money to pay $2000 for CAD software. It's ridiculous. The little guy needs to get smarter. Keep your money. Those corporations are rich enough.

Fair enough but what did you use it for? I use in design, Photoshop After Effects, Animate, Lightroom and much motor. Can other offerings truly use plugins , brushes and assets I have already invested in and will I now have a steep learning curve for a disparate gaggle of programs with no uniformity of use? As a business is it really practical to dump Adobe,, will it really make a difference? I don’t find Affinity does everything I need it to do. The only programs I truly find worthy alternatives are DaVinci Resolve for Premiere Pro and Logic instead of Audition. Adobe CC is just easier workflow and a common interface. Is change truly cost effective? Won’t Affinity move to a subscription model in the end now it’s been bought by Canva? All these alternatives will be bought up and eventually incorporated not a subscription model.

@@FireMunki63 are you paid for this comment ?? They try to screw their customers and you ok with it ??

@@FireMunki63 Possibly with Affinity V3 but users can say stick with V2 and remain also on Windows 10 - not subscribing / going to use Microsoft AI Co-Pilot & REcall ^%%^%^%^ ocks

Ended today

It would be hopelessly naive of any company to think that Adobe (or Google or Microsoft) don't take their data. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to only launch the programs offline and remove all the company's data from the machine during updates.

Let's be honest here. Adobe's true customers are it's share holders. That's all that really matters to them. Adobe doesn't care about artists or creatives they only care about share holder earnings. The more money they can take from us the happier their share holders. That's the root of the problem.

That's why also IT teams are trained in basic legalese. So when this came, and the renewal window was coming, the convo was basically: IT: Hey boss new Adobe terms are a bit sus, we're putting it through legal. Legal: We confirmed IT suspicions and added a few remarks of our own. Boss: Macromedia Fireworks is still a thing? Send them a fax, tell them we're interested now

@@yds6268 Its not naive, its one thing for a company to keep your data, which you store remotely. I know for a fact that my shit is stored on google drive, or one drive, or google docs, and they are doing whatever they want with it. Its a whole different thing for work you create in a digital art tool to end up licensed by them and taken, its absurd.

Also, when was the last time, or first time, any lawyer appeared in any official capacity in a tee-shirt? It’s like they are trying to say “we’re just like you, our creative customers who we love”. Which makes it even more obvious they are running scared.

IT loves to go dystopian. Its crazy

Neither will we

ten years tops. prolly less

Won't last ten years. Too many smart people ready to pounce on their stupidity.

I dropped absolutely everything cloud. Including Altium designer which cost me a pretty penny as I could see where things were heading. These companies think you have no other options. What they fail to understand that the "customers" they are trying to take advantage of currently still have agency and are able to think for themselves too.,

What are you using instead of theirs?

@@TheGreatness-gg1jx yo ho, yo ho..

I used CS4

Same. Affinity suite is excellent

I stuck with CS5. It mostly does enough for my requirements.

What software do you use instead of Adobe

@@comedunken6156 same as Sasha, Resolve and Affinity

@@comedunken6156 Coreldraw is just as good for most purposes. And much much cheaper.

@@comedunken6156 Canva

What software you using?

You've presented a strong analogy between abusive relationships and software subscriptions that demand constant updates and agreement to new terms. It's a creative way to highlight the frustration users experience with the feeling of being trapped or manipulated. The idea of "walking away" or choosing alternative software solutions is a valid one, and it's true that as consumers we have the power to make those choices. By becoming more aware of the options available and resisting the pressure to conform, we can collectively influence the software industry to be more user-friendly and transparent. The term "Stockholm syndrome" is a strong one, and while it might not perfectly describe the situation, it does evoke a sense of being psychologically attached to something despite its negative effects. It's an interesting way to frame the discussion about consumer choice and the potential for change. It's important to remember that while the comparison is evocative, software subscriptions and abusive relationships are fundamentally different things. One is a business model, and the other is a harmful interpersonal dynamic. While both can involve feelings of powerlessness and frustration, it's important to distinguish between them when discussing solutions. Overall, your analogy is thought-provoking and raises valid concerns about the current state of software subscriptions. It encourages critical thinking and empowers consumers to take control of their choices.

The best way to deal with software subscriptions: 1. Pirate it. Or... 2. Use an alternative. There is tons of free and (Non-SaaS bullshittery) paid alternatives worth supporting.

They are an awful company with no integrity

There needs to be laws about that. They can't just change the terms on access to someone else's data.

Welcome to U$A, the people pay the z1onist state to be exploited!! That is the genius of U$ "freedoman and democracy!"

Not just Adobe; don't be surprise to see M/ soft 360 doing this many say on quiet to build their Copliot AI, Recall AI - example allowing businesses to create AI generated documents, etc, e.g., legal

@@dafyddthomas7299 I see how this can happen in "mutant" markets like in the US but I really can't see companies getting their hands on people's personal files easily in the EU. (Hopefully)

@@ventralstreams Spyware / things running in background; like Adobe CC may be able to get access / see your drives; unfortunately with this Saga and previous ones I read on Adobe- leaking CC info to web, I don't trust Adobe at all - hence with this AI TOS G%$%$%$%$ I cancelled my Subscription immediately; even paying the fee.

AI is the "must have", even when it's the emperor's new clothes. Expect to see all the companies that were late off the mark doing unethical crap in an effort to placate the board and the shareholders.

Yeah except this extends to stuff on your computer

Not if you have windows. They also take information from your pc.

⁠@@Clisareyep you get it. i don't even f'ing use adobe cloud i couldn't care less lol, this is about the fact that they are saying anything we do at all

It really is that simple. The whole of cloud boils down to that.

external hard drives are a conspiracy theorist's best friend. Get some bays and stack up on your externals. CDs too.

of course. that's exactly why they didn't do so

Great analogy.

So you're telling me Adobe is hitting dogs with my paintings????? And Ms. Piggy?!??! Evil bastards!!!

They're dodging the question because they know if they answer honestly people will get mad

It's not an agreement at that point.. there is literally no option to agree, or disagree.

OK, let’s not get crazy. This is the situation where you were trying to take advantage of a free trial so that you wouldn’t have to spend money on the full product and you screwed up. Let’s not act like that’s exactly the same thing as Adobe stealing your work. If you agree to their terms and break their terms, you cannot complain.

​@@SonicBoyster You don't seem to understand that it is a real problem the person there isn't complaining about having to pay for that one month they forgot to cancel subscription for but the fact that when they realised that and tried to cancel adobe makes you pay 50% of the other months you didn't use it for I'm her case if its $10 per month will have to pay 60 dollars , 10 for the first month then 50% of thr others but only ger to use it for pne month or can stay and pay them every month even when the software isn't needed anymore... THAT IS WHAT THE PERSON IS COMPLAINING ABOUT

It’s crazy 😂

​@@tommy5480doesn't the penalty only apply if you are on an annual plan? If you are on a month-to-month plan there shouldn't be a penalty for cancelling.

@@SonicBoyster If Adobe offers a free trial for unlimited use, the customer can do exactly that. If its then impossible to cancel without a huge penalty then it's just a scam.

I'm sure it is.

@@tsm688it actually is

For companies like this I use virtual CC. I can create 10 with my bank. If they don't let me cancel i just delete the virtual card.

Or you just lack legal context, it's not legal language (it uses the same words that you and I use on a daily basis). It's lacking context. Once you know the context, it's a reasonable TOS. Y'all are overexagerating it.

Adobe is a very greedy company, stopped being their customer over 10 years ago, when they started to demand monthly subscription.

That is extremely petty and entitled of adobe.

No, no, no. You agreed to their TOS which grants them rights and ownership to everything you create with their rental software.

​@@TheLotwanother win for piracy, zero TOS accepted o7

For a second I thought you were talking about the free audio editing software... oh the AUDACITY! 🤣

@@daysandwords ironically, audacity (the software) is kick ass, and can easily replace adobe auditon.

@@daysandwords hey I remember using that to edit ringtones years back lol

​@@Kaibrockeltwell, no. I paid for adobe because audition is way way way better than audacity. Audacity is a free software slop. Gimp is not photoshop. Because of people wishfully say it is the same or kick ass free software stagnate and stay shitty, because someone's pride will be hurt if they admit it is barely usable. Just contributing code is not enough, you should have donation campaigns for paying for UX design. Programmers make the worst UI possible.

As a current user of GIMP and an ex-user of Photoshop, I'll be the first to delay they are NOT the same, and Photoshop is much easier to use and far more powerful. But for my purposes. I'm willing to struggle a little with my projects in favour of avoiding Adobe, their cost and insane terms of use

No no. Make them irrelevant.

In all honesty I can see someone over at Adobe having had this exact train of thought to justify this full-on-corporate move.

Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.

Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.

​@@trowawayacc thats the mentality of the new atupid world, be mad,be aggressive, the people who are on the other side, like adobe, they will be aggressive with you, play dirty, don't be soft or *new world*, they are gonna run you over if you let them

a very intentional FEMALE lawyer

@@janem3575 Young women are the easiest to convince to publicly lie.

@@evrythingis1 nope, everyone equally good at lying in any format. people more likely believe a female. and, they should have used an older lawyer of any gender

​@janem3575 Now that's just a cheap move

Yup. Many, many companies effectively won't touch them. There's usually alternatives. Often free ones.

@@Rapscallion2009 Adobe has a stranglehold on publishing houses for certain obscure features that nobody without insane money can support. They are part of the old boys club and possess names like pantone in their portfolio. The segment is shrinking, but there is a slice of business which really cannot leave.

Very much the case here!

"And you'll be happy..."

Cloud based services is just one aspect of that "owning nothing" concept. Not even your data and software will be yours to own 😂 They're truly turning us into their cattle. If you can, opt to not use a cloud service and support regular software you can actually buy.

I will not use your product AND I will be happy. See how that works ?

This scummy WEF crap is so tiresome. There's more of us than there are of them, they just haven't figured that out yet.

they could care less about screwing over people - but screwing over the government? **that** is something you just don't do.

What no they can't stop the flow of money from these companies to their pockets

The problem is actually worse. Western governments are actively regulating the internet for the benefit of themselves and these megacorporations. The corporations collaborate to censor citizens, and the government in turn does things that prevent competition. It is a mutually beneficial relationship that screws over regular people for the benefit of the few.

Governments dont care, where do you think these politicians get their money??? They get paid maybe $200k a year and become millionaires when leaving office. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where all that extra money came from, selling out America and the people.

The internet was invented for this very purpose. It's not because they love people.

They bought Macromedia used their IP and shut them down

I'm still not over google chrome casually scanning all your hdds and sending the list of all of your files to google for YOUR PROTECTION ALRIGHT. Insane. People ate it up because chrome is too convenient and google strangled competition.

​@friendlylaser I've never used Chrome on any device I care about or have data I care about. Like this tablet, I'm writing on now. It has nothing for them to steal. Just use Firefox people.

@@friendlylaserWTH?! I barely use Chrome but I’m about to lock that shit down if it’s still the case.

@@ColdCutz they faced mild backlash over it, I'm not sure if they turned it off or not. In any case I do not trust chrome after that. If you have hdd you can easily notice the scanning by the disk noises. I figured that out by just noticing something using my drives and checking the task manager. Web browser should have no business whatsoever scanning PC contents.

Not so much corruption as corporate greed here.

That's not corruption. It's extreme capitalism...

​@@SashaYanshin corrupt is how they went about it and the backstabbing

Corruption (noun): Illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power. What Adobe sought to do here, i.e., taking customers' intellectual property, went beyond greed or capitalism. It was outright theft.

it is not corruption at this point, it is a feature of the economy. adobe just played the game like everyone else is incentivised to also do. you have to move over to another type of economy to fix this shit.

Get your popcorn

And as predictable as it may be, when they don't have profits as expected the suits will fire people on the ground to cut costs and ta da, profit numbers look good again. The facepalm of how bad the managements of companies actually run them is becoming criminally negligent.

Shareholders are fine with killing companies for a quick buck. It's kinda what they do. Nothing is sacred.

It's their service. At this stage their service is several thousand fold greater than "your data".

@@Newtube_Channel in the past you bought a product, and now they push it as service? thats BS. You just want to use specific tools/operations/filters etc. But if they want it as a service, they can put it in their a$$.

Simp harder somewhere else ​@@Newtube_Channel

@@yade5979 Show me how.

@@Newtube_Channel you are already doing well on your own, just do it somewhere else where people will fall for it