That SwinSID probably has more processing power than the entire C64. Emulating a physical chip in a not-quite-a-chip package is fascinating.
@twistedyogert4 жыл бұрын
"Yo,I heard you like computers so I put a computer in your computer."
@reabustos33934 жыл бұрын
@@twistedyogert someone putting a graphics card on somebody's computer be like
@authorlilhyz71213 жыл бұрын
Mule Ghostbusters monty on the run
@authorlilhyz71213 жыл бұрын
Monty one the run looks fast NTSC
@iantribunal78633 жыл бұрын
Chopo moo cow
@user-zm9hj5jg1v5 жыл бұрын
It would be really nice if Planet X3 supports Innovation SSI card since it has 3 voices and it uses the same sound chip as the C64.
@tyttuut6 жыл бұрын
Technical nerd correction at 7:25: the 78L09 is a 9V voltage regulator, not a transistor. I figure the jumper is connecting the pad for the regulator's input straight to the output. When you remove the jumper and put in the regulator, the 12V power is regulated down to 9V for the 8580. If you ever wanted to put an 8580 in there, that regulator can be obtained very cheaply.
@zachk3026 жыл бұрын
Holy yes those LEDs
@Booruvcheek5 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. too bad they stay hidden under C64 keyboard :(
@technikfreak98595 жыл бұрын
A c64 II with acrylic case would look amazing with the chip inside
@Sheevlord4 жыл бұрын
@@Booruvcheek I'm almost a year late but by the looks of it there are pads for attaching external LEDs on the PCB. At 13:06 it's clearly visible. So if you want you can solder wires to these pads and put remote LEDs where you like.
@Booruvcheek4 жыл бұрын
@@Sheevlord That's a nice feature right there. Sadly, I don't own a C64, nor have I ever seen one of those machines. I doubt there were many of them in the 80s in USSR during my childhood, in fact, owning a computer (any computer) was something I could only dream of. But anyway, thanks for pointing that out. Also, nice userpic :D Mr. Palpatine was perhaps the best part of the prequels.
@Sheevlord4 жыл бұрын
@@Booruvcheek Yep. Then again, it's not surprising, since Ian McDiarmid who played him is a renowned actor with a long career.
@boozydaboozer6 жыл бұрын
Something probaly only headphone users noticed: the SwinSID chip on the replica board had some pseudo stereo emulation. I suspect this is an optinal feature and probably off by default on the real C64. Edit: I checked it on the creator's website and stereo is metioned.
@artemik19866 жыл бұрын
@Макс Крюков also has a stereo version of SSI-2001. In it, the 6581 and 8580 work synchronously, for the left and right channels respectively (DuoSID). vk.com/music?z=audio_playlist-94485973_76874835
@mramir12386 жыл бұрын
13:26 That seems like a legal copy of Ghostbusters to me.
@soapy72614 жыл бұрын
No its not, I have the original Ghostbusters disk and it does not look like that
@butterh24 жыл бұрын
@@soapy7261 do you hear the joke flying over your head like a hurricane-force gust?
@MikeDest4 жыл бұрын
I think we need David to do a video about piracy in his youth. What was his handle? Not saying he was cracking and pirating or anything, but we all had a handle.
@mikeworkman35934 жыл бұрын
@@soapy7261 Do you sir experience sarcasm???? "And it was just like that, Brandon realized that there was sarcasm..... And memories of sarcasm flashed through his brain, and he realized why he lost all those girlfriends over the years...."
@UN4YA3 жыл бұрын
@@soapy7261 r/woooosh
@yvan25636 жыл бұрын
The Innovation SSI-2001. It's the near-impossible-to-find sound card, the holy grail of sound card collectors.
@1337Shockwav35 жыл бұрын
There's at least 2 in the wild ;) One owned by me, the other by another VOGONS user, with a third card being "lost" track of a few years ago, which actually led to me starting the replica project.
@lepidotos4 жыл бұрын
And even these remakes seem impossible to find or buy, at least here in the States...
@philscomputerlab6 жыл бұрын
That was great, I love hearing old Sound Cards :) It amazes me what some people manage to build in their spare time, we now have excellent ISA as well es parallel port sound cards and wave table boards. There is stuff for collectors, but also cheap sound cards with OPL3 chips, so a bit for everyone!
@soccerteas6 жыл бұрын
Hi Phil! I love seeing my favorite KZfaqrs checking out each other's videos!
@bleuge12036 жыл бұрын
Phil, i was already going to comment here, check PhilsComputerLab channel for the best old hardware reviews and comparisons, but you commented first. haha, man thanks for your channel, i see all your videos
@Kapin056 жыл бұрын
A 'bit' for everyone? Pun intended, or happy accident?
@philscomputerlab6 жыл бұрын
Kra Z Kapin :D
@CyricFTW6 жыл бұрын
I was hundred percent sure I would see your comment here =]]
@rtv1906 жыл бұрын
I saw that cracked copy of Ghostbusters!
@poble5 жыл бұрын
GHURSBUSTURS
@authorlilhyz71213 жыл бұрын
@@poble Ghostbusters
@fagear6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, The 8-Bit Guy! 09:01 - definitely much better music on C64 version. The marketing problem of the Innovation that you've mentioned may well be the source of the problem. SSI-2001 support, even when it was added, was very basic, SID chip was treated more like 3-voice Tandy chip with another waveforms... Not nearly unleashing the full potential of the SID. As a result the sound was pretty "meh" compared to Adlib or other cards. No contest to the same SID in the C64. 11:33 - I didn't try SwinSID of any version in my cards and I don't know about its ability to work on different clocks... Probably it only can emulate 0.95 MHz (C64 PAL) and 1.023 MHz (C64 NTSC). But SSI-2001 runs the SID on 0.895 MHz. Probably SwinSID tries to detect the input frequency, rounds it to one of the C64's and can not produce sound in tact with actual clock (0.895 MHz), also sounding a little off in tone. And for real SID it is not a problem at all, it will run at any clock provided. Also, you can switch a jumper on the SSI-2001 replica to make the SID run at 1.023 MHz (C64 NTSC) clock. In "officially supported" games tone will be off, but with osp2001 *.SID player it will run exactly as C64 (NTSC version).
@danielmantione6 жыл бұрын
I would also attribute this to composer skills. IBM PC composers generally did think in terms of musical instruments that a sound card should simulate and musical notes that you can play on it. Hence it is no surprise that MIDI did play an important role in PC music. That approach completely fails with a SID, because it doesn't resemeble real instruments at all. In order to unleash the SID, you need to look within a musical note and turn several knobs of the analog synthesizer (such as filter frequency and pluse width) in orde to make sound more lively and dynamic. Also the high accurate frequency control (16 bit versus 12 bit for Adlib) does allow effects that are impossible with Adlib, but you only notice that when you are after those effects rather than just wanting to play some notes. C64 composers did look deeper, because the SID forced them to do so. Music for the SSI-2001 was likely an afterthough and so the PC composers did not want to spend too much energy on getting the best out of that weird Commodore sound chip.
@fagear6 жыл бұрын
Daniël Mantione at first glance yes, that can justify "lazyness" of PC music composers. But heart of the AdLib card - Yamaha OPL2 FM-synth chip - is more or less the same story. It is a tone generator with a bunch of "knobs". But OPL2 had more voices and waveforms. Even if composers were too lazy, why not just port exact same melody from C64 version of the game, the SID is the same and it can be addressed the same way as on C64.
@evknucklehead6 жыл бұрын
Getting music between platforms wasn't nearly as easy as it is today, since they usually only had 5.25" floppies to work with and each platform usually had its own floppy standard that was incompatible with the other platforms. It wasn't until after 3.5" floppies became the norm that FAT became available on multiple platforms, enabling easy file transfer between them. It would have been much easier for them to convert existing PC versions of the music to the Innovation version than transcribing the code from the C64 version by hand.
@danielmantione6 жыл бұрын
Certainly true, but the "file exchange on floppy" problem was the easiest to solve: The Commodore 1571 can, with the right software, read and write PC floppies. A far worse problem would have been that any C64 music was written in 6502 machine code and would have to be completely rewritten for the x86 CPU of the PC, even though the sound chip was exactly the same.
@fagear6 жыл бұрын
I think for authors of the game at a time transferring their source code or any other parts (such as music) between platforms was not an issue.
@DaiAtlus796 жыл бұрын
13:00 - omg Dave, that gave me an idea - put pin headers there, and then mount LEDs to the case, and connect them to the headers. That'd be a cute lil addition to a Commodore64
@NeilRoy6 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I loved the look of those LEDs, they would look great on the case itself.
@theholyduck906 жыл бұрын
I mean Clearly thats why there are pin headers there. but it would look pretty swanky
@DaiAtlus796 жыл бұрын
there are holes, but it seems to come unpopulated, so he would need to add the header pins.
@stevenclark21886 жыл бұрын
Red yellow and blue of the color bars?
@DaiAtlus796 жыл бұрын
^THAT would be a thing of beauty - a Commodore 64 Logo Plate with inbuilt LEDS and plexi lightpiping that acts as an accessory to the SID clone!
@AscendedBeyond6 жыл бұрын
I'm sick but this 8-bit guy video really improved my day.
@root426 жыл бұрын
Glad to see my AdLib replica being put to good use so soon. :) My own copy is still nicely chugging along in my 286. It was relatively easy to build. The guy who made the design really did a good job.
@user-wk7nn2hk5n11 ай бұрын
scams scam scammers AdLib yamaha sound opl midi
@erikhansen43466 жыл бұрын
You know its the future when its easier to have a tiny computer (likely much more powerful than the c64) emulate a chip in software rather than to recreate the hardware.
@KRAFTWERK2K66 жыл бұрын
Actually FPGA would be much better because it is not emulation at all and there for more accurate.
@johnfrancisdoe15636 жыл бұрын
KRAFTWERK2K6 Except an FPGA (or CPLD) doesn't do the analog stuff. A microcontroller/DSP can calculate the result and feed it to a DAC.
@elmariachi51336 жыл бұрын
Actually from what I have seen in this video, there's a Xilinx chip on that SID-Board, meaning that it is an FPGA an no software emulation.
@wooferjr1696 жыл бұрын
In the near future we can simply download hardware as software. We are going to be able to download more RAM as much as we need.
@tetsujin_1445 жыл бұрын
Just the other day I was reading about a project to allow using a Raspberry Pi to emulate a 1541 disk drive...
@alextirrellRI6 жыл бұрын
I love how there's always seemingly more to learn about obscure PC sound cards! Very glad to know about the AdLib reproduction.
@demonic47745 жыл бұрын
when he said the SID can't be made any more I thought why so I looked it up the SID is insane for a single chip. Properties of the SID 3 tone generators (voices), frequency 0-4 kHz (16 Bit decomposition) 4 forms of waves (sawtooth, triangle, rectangle pulse width modulation, (white) noise /rush) 3 amplitude modulator, until 48 dB 3 envelope generators Synchronization of the oscillators Ring modulation Programmable filters (low pass, bandpass, high pass) Master volume in 16 steps 2 A/D-converter (8 bit, low frequency, used for reading paddle input) Random generator Audio input (cannot be used for sampling, but the signal can be routed through the SID filter) it's not that they can't they don't want to try
@BensonLicious6 жыл бұрын
That Chime sound is so charming, i'm surprised that type of idea was never implemented in any other sound chips back in the day to differentiate themselves from their competitor. Something like "Only TRUE AdLibs will tell you on startup" would be a killer selling point from a marketing point of view.
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez6 жыл бұрын
that chime reminds me of the mac computer one.
@vwestlife6 жыл бұрын
The Apple IIGS makes a similar-sounding chime when you turn it on or reset it.
@dlarge65026 жыл бұрын
Acorn computers such as the BBC micro and Archimedes machines make a soft beep on startup too. Its used as a type of POST signal to let you know its working. Of course PC's always make that beep too (not a nice sounding one like this) so I think the C64 is better off with this beep. Its like a little "hello" when you switch it on.
@sikkepossu6 жыл бұрын
Macs still make that very annoying sound. >:(
@evknucklehead6 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, for a long time, you could actually tell what series a Mac was from based on the sound of its startup chime. They basically recreated the chime each time a new major version of the ROM was made, up until Steve Jobs returned and made sure every mac from the original iMac onward used the exact same sound.
@wolvenar6 жыл бұрын
Wow. I did not realize these two cards were fetching so much. I have several of both. Sounds like I need to start slowly selling these off.
@gigoman-hu5hm6 жыл бұрын
if you do indeed have several of both go for it but be careful I tried to sell a Covox speech thing once and almost got screwed over jerk never had the intention of paying but hilariously his girlfriend told me about his intentions and saved me a lot of trouble unfortunately the prick started abusing her fortunately one of the neighbors heard and called the police it was one of the craziest moments of my entire life.
@matthewpiper43286 жыл бұрын
r/thathappened
@maxxdblade6 жыл бұрын
How could anybody lie that randomly, I think this strangely has a chance of being true.
@matthewpiper43286 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but ill let reddit decide :P
@gigoman-hu5hm6 жыл бұрын
maxxdblade it really did happen whether you choose to believe me is up to you.
@emmettturner94526 жыл бұрын
Woah! As soon as I list my second SwinSID Ultimate on eBay I open KZfaq and find you talking about it! Upload seems to have been 15 minutes earlier, while I was still writing my description. Crazy! I planned a dual SID setup with this after frying my 6581 a year ago but it took so long to get one that I figured it was a waste to deprive someone else, especially after someone else in the SSU FB group got two a few days before me and did the same thing.
@lepidotos4 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much my whole problem with hardware/video game collecting in a nutshell.
@SuperJet_Spade6 жыл бұрын
Great video like always Mr. 8-Bit Guy! Nice to look at these replica soundcards.
@elmosexwhistle6 жыл бұрын
I find it so funny that different communities assign a wildly different monetary value to things. The Ad Lib is a great example. - As a vintage computer nerd, I kinda get why certain old things are expensive. Nostalgia, wanting to relive experiences, etc. - As a synthesist, I’m shocked how expensive Ad Libs are. I really like and can program FM synthesis (most of the synth community HATE it) and thus simple 2OP synths are worthless, or at least “feel” worthless within that world. The little PSS 570 being a very cheap example. Anyone here tried a Yamaha SY77? Very tricky to master (6 operator + PCM) but rewarding to explore!
@EpicLPer6 жыл бұрын
16 Minutes of 8Bit Guy goodness, amazing :D
@AB-Prince6 жыл бұрын
EpicLPer kawaii desu!!!
@garrettk.22576 жыл бұрын
Succ
@odinn07696 жыл бұрын
Wait how is this comment from 5 hours ago when the video was uploaded 6 minutes ago
@Kyle-un3ei6 жыл бұрын
EpicLPer I was thinking the same thing
@garrettk.22576 жыл бұрын
KZfaq Administration don't question it
@moth.monster6 жыл бұрын
That swinsid chime makes me feel happy inside
@WhatWereYouWatching6 жыл бұрын
So calming.
@vk-com-mig256 жыл бұрын
Microchips made in the USSR, Belarus and Russia in the video with an the 8-bit guy, it's very nice) In a SSI replica.
@dantheman19986 жыл бұрын
Imagine hardware that was top of the line in the 80's is now someones hobby project...
@lepidotos3 жыл бұрын
in 20 years, we'll see people cloning iBooks in their garages
@GreenNekoProductions6 жыл бұрын
5:37 "$69, making this a very attractive deal." :^)
@KanawhaCountyWX6 жыл бұрын
mmm... I see.
@fep_ptcp8836 жыл бұрын
Toadlover404 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@deus_ex_machina_6 жыл бұрын
Emulated Excitement Love your username.
@thechosenone88086 жыл бұрын
NUT
@rzna.6 жыл бұрын
😏
@RUEZ696 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. You're bringing back a lot of old memories of being a future computer nerd in the 80's.
@mastermindd6 жыл бұрын
As a teenager, I love your videos, despite not being a fan of 8-bit computing. Even though I'm not a fan of these games/computers, I watch almost all of your videos... As you present these products, it's always worth watching :) Keep up with the good work :)
@5476Himself6 жыл бұрын
7:03 You can see the cut in the shielding where he installed the dual SID chip device.
@JamieBainbridge6 жыл бұрын
Oh my god. I've been plugging those CF-to-IDE adaptors into IDE cables. It didn't occur to me you could plug them straight into the motherboard. What an idiot I am.
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez6 жыл бұрын
there are models that allow to put directly and others that need a cable.
@AlejandroFerrariMc6 жыл бұрын
This made me laugh more than it should've had!
@georgemaragos23786 жыл бұрын
There are 2 different type, it all depends on the base of the card whether it is a pin end or a socket end ( male or female )
@KanawhaCountyWX6 жыл бұрын
Jamie I made the same mistake, so don't worry. Now, I won't have a flash card dangling out of the case on my Gateway PC.
@pwnmeisterage5 жыл бұрын
I usually plug into cables. Unless troubleshooting or doing some kind of permanent install (or just running out of cables). Less wear on the motherboard.
@cheesyboofs6 жыл бұрын
How can anyone possibly down vote these videos? They are harmless, historical, edutainment. Another great trip down memory lane, many thanks.
@AndersEngerJensen6 жыл бұрын
Everyone who sticks their heads out even a little bit on KZfaq and especially if they gain momentum like The 8-Bit Guy, LGR, Techmoan etc. will have haters no matter what you do. Like a friend of mine said, you can post a video of firemen rescuing kittens from a burning building and someone will hate that video even though it is purely benign and not offending anyone. Even I have a few regular haters on my videos. But as EEVBlog said in one of his latest videos about the Kickstarter project he debunked, he got paid dislikes by the thousands on those two videos he posted, dislikes doesn't actually mean the video gets pushed down in the KZfaq system. They have altered their algorithms so that any reaction to a video will cause more stir and they will float to the top if there is enough commotion. At least that what he said, if it's true, I don't know. He certainly got more hits and exposure of those dislikes that added to more plays and more income. So the haters kinda lost that one twice.. once for paying those farms to dislike and once for giving him more attention and plays. :D
@speckd84655 жыл бұрын
ChEeSyBoOfS they probably live in australia and think the thumbs up is thumbs down, and vice versa
@GroversMill6 жыл бұрын
I have learned SOOOO much about the machines and games I grew up with because Dave has the best way of explaining such complex subjects like, sound and graphics. My family watches him every week. Everyone should really check out all his playlists. For me, I'm not into keyboards but I find myself really enjoying 8-bit keys. He is just a great KZfaqr. Thanks for the channel :)
@emmettturner94526 жыл бұрын
“At the moment, I don’t [have a Microsoft Mouse]” Prepare yourself for the deluge of people offering you a Microsoft Mouse! ;)
@user-po6hn9id1t6 жыл бұрын
Emmett Turner I have an optical USB one, but I'm not shipping it...
@user-po6hn9id1t6 жыл бұрын
Dušan Xmetov is that the alternative name for the PS/2?
@emmettturner94526 жыл бұрын
ΑΡΗΣ ΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ RS-232 is a serial port. AT and Baby AT systems primarily used a serial port mouse. IBM Personal System/2 added their own semi-proprietary mini-DIN connectors for mouse and keyboard, hence, “PS/2.” The original Microsoft Mouse was serial but they revised it. Just like early USB mouses had a PS/2 adapter or late PS/2 mouses has a USB adapter, early PS/2 mouses has a serial adapter and later serial mouses had a PS/2 adapter. I recall some of my Microsoft Mouses requiring me to send off for the adapter, free by mail.
@RAMChYLD6 жыл бұрын
Well, I have a old serial Microsoft Mouse that I don’t use anymore...
@emmettturner94526 жыл бұрын
RAMChYLD I might’ve been wrong so send him a message. :)
@MartellThaCool6 жыл бұрын
Excited to watch some 8-bit guy
@mybigfatpolishlife6 жыл бұрын
Love that you coordinated your shirt to the topic you were discussing
@twiztidsidfreak136 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your videos for over 8 years, I'm no longer a mac person like I was when I first started but I still love your videos! We need videos like this and we need someone keeping up the old school stuff and making it interesting! People are so hyped about what's to come they forget where we came from. Thank you for never forgetting!
@rzeka6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the info everybody
@MK-of7qw6 жыл бұрын
It actually would be easy to clone a SID chip but it would not be economical. Therefore the SwinSID exists because it emulates it with parts readily available.
@JamieBainbridge6 жыл бұрын
The original factory is gone. Even if you went to the huge expense of reverse engineering the chip and made some, it would not have the same analog properties of the original chip so would be "close" but never be "the same".
@Psychlist19726 жыл бұрын
No chip fab does work at that rather chunky scale. The SID is a hybrid analog/digital chip and is highly dependent on the manufacturing process used at the time. Factories have moved on.
@jackl77316 жыл бұрын
You would need to find a fab that would manufacture the chip before that and reverse engineer the die then you manufacture the chip the is very expensive.
@AmyraCarter6 жыл бұрын
The dated tech has basically been lost. Sure, one could use parts and remake the chip, but it wouldn't sound the same, nor behave the same. Kinda sad, but you know, that's how it is....
@theSoundCarddatabase6 жыл бұрын
My kind of video, very well made! Somehow my heart knew Ultima VI would be there as a demo for both cards :) Huge shoutout to : shock__, Fagear, borisfox, CodeKiller (and others I forget), for making the Innovation replica possible.
@1337Shockwav36 жыл бұрын
Acknowledged :) - shock__
@benharyo5 жыл бұрын
SID chip sounds so warm.. Oh Analog, how I miss thee
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez6 жыл бұрын
it is lovely to see an amd k6-2 I got one of those working fine. it is a great computer. great video. seeing new versions of old cards it is great to me, it is a way to replace broken parts.
@JoSephGD4 жыл бұрын
The emulating SID chip decreases the pitch by a bit, making Ultima VI sound more like the AdLib version.
@Goldenknight016 жыл бұрын
About to head to bed, buuuuuuuuuuuut Now I can't for 16 minutes longer.
@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__-6 жыл бұрын
Goldenknight01 same dude I'm so tired
@allan.n.72276 жыл бұрын
I disgree on this one.. the adlib sounds great, but I love the sid sound of the innovation so much What a great lost opportunity Great video, Dave..
@masterpringle6 жыл бұрын
Aw man, that chip with the blinking LEDs sure looks awesome!
@Name_cannot_be_blank4 жыл бұрын
the innovation sold for $69 "A very attractive deal"
@happyangels51806 жыл бұрын
То чувство когда видосы бачило выходят чаще на других каналах чем у него)
@BilisNegra6 жыл бұрын
I don't know where to start explaining why but... Thanks Dave! Each and every new stuff from you makes my day, but for whatever reason this was such a joy to watch I had to state it here.
@morris_5016 жыл бұрын
Wow man, blast to the past.. awesome video.. so many old good memories. Damn, I'm old! lol
@BachiloDmitry6 жыл бұрын
Макс молодец!
@imequals6 жыл бұрын
Тот момент, когда одновременно и удивлён, и не удивлён комментарию)) Здравствуйте, Дима) Ну и раз уж тред есть, то, дабы не множить, подпишусь - Макс большой молодец!
@АндрійФранжі6 жыл бұрын
Дмитрий Бачило, Маэстро Fagear риспект 👍
@VCD-Channel6 жыл бұрын
Вы оба молодцы!
@directorys6 жыл бұрын
О Боги транзисторных долин, я поклоняюсь вам за столь прекрасный рассвет!
@mahmahmahmuh6 жыл бұрын
Less vodka, more english.
@Jerkwad1526 жыл бұрын
Crap, Ad-Lib cards are expensive! o_o I think I'll just hang on to my Sound Blaster 16.
@CoTeCiOtm5 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen Well... not quite. You see, the chip on the AdLib is the Yamaha YM3812, a.k.a OPL2, and there are no SB16s with an OPL2 chip. The one in *some* SB16s is the YMF262, or OPL3. Even though the OPL3 is backwards compatible with the OPL2, they're not exactly the same. Also, some SB16s had a Yamaha YMF289, or OPL3-L, that is a smaller variant of the OPL3 that runs at a different clock rate and has slightly lower pitch compared to the original OPL3 and even worse, some SB16s don't even have an OPL chip and the whole FM synth thing is emulated, and not very well, through something called CQM synthesis. I have tried at least one of each chip and while you can't really tell any difference between the YM3812 and the YMF262 in AdLib-written music, you can tell there's a slight difference in pitch in the OPL3-L and you can definitely tell something's not right with CQM synthesis.
@MichaelOfRohan3 жыл бұрын
"Hurry, old friend!" Gets me every time.
@chillnagasden61906 жыл бұрын
Hi, David! Saw the article talking about your game. Was happy to see you getting some much-deserved exposure :-)
@Leonidische6 жыл бұрын
Хех, долго же Макс ждал)
@Vericht6 жыл бұрын
On one of the close looks, I've just realized that almost all of the microchips on the Innovation card are Russian chips. That's very interesting.
@Booruvcheek5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, К155ТМ2 ( www.microshemca.ru/TM2/ ), КМ155ИЕ6 ( www.microshemca.ru/IE6/ ) К555ЛН1 and the venerable and ever so popular К155ЛА3 ( www.microshemca.ru/LA3/ )
@fenrirwolfy18485 жыл бұрын
Maybe because the guy who made this card (Serge), is Russian, from Moscow.
@Ryan-gq2gy4 жыл бұрын
In Russia, you don't clone sound card. Sound card clones you
@xDissident4 жыл бұрын
@@fenrirwolfy1848 this card was made by Maxim Krukov, not Serge.
@jubsy6 жыл бұрын
Speaking of sound, I love your intro music, especially on big speakers.
@kilowatti6 жыл бұрын
Guys n gals, I installed the SwinSID into my C64 C and it's working but the volume is VERY low. I have to crank up the volume to max on my TV to hear anything. Why is this? 8-bit guy, best channel on YT!
@FinalManaTrigger6 жыл бұрын
The original Adlib is fantastic. I prefer many games' Adlib music over Sound Blaster. Doom and Dune II come to mind. So good!
@oneirophon89125 жыл бұрын
I just started playing Doom with Ad Lib music for the first time, and I must say, I'm liking it way better!
@fifaworldcup19945 жыл бұрын
@@oneirophon8912 Even though it sounds EXACTLY the same...
@oneirophon89125 жыл бұрын
@@fifaworldcup1994 I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Ad Lib version sounds completely different from the Sound Blaster version.
@bormisha5 жыл бұрын
3:39 - lots of Soviet-made TTL/LS TTL logic chips!
@RCAvhstape6 жыл бұрын
Brings back memories, love the sound of those old computer tunes from the DOS days! I noticed you're handling those chips and it looks like you're not guarding against static electricity. Want to be careful with that, especially that SID chip.
@JamesSiggins6 жыл бұрын
This takes me back.... Loved the Adlib card, before most computers went to the Creative labs Sound blaster. I had one on an Olivetti 286 running at 12mhz, which had a massive 20MB hard drive!
@hanswurst38116 жыл бұрын
SID n a PC !!!!?!?!?!?!? AWESOME !
@billmyke7466 жыл бұрын
Date code on 3812 is 2013. Major clue there.
@costascostas17604 жыл бұрын
This video is like my essays... start of on one subject and end up in something completely different. .. without even realising the transition
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated6 жыл бұрын
That SwinSID is absolutely awesome. I mean it's very cool that all of these are being recreated, but the SwinSID truly stands out as especially geektastic 😁
@amyshaw8936 жыл бұрын
swinsid likes my left ear a lot
@shabmaster71286 жыл бұрын
Yay! Battletech!
@scout23696 жыл бұрын
Q: Board Game or Video Game BattleTech?
@shabmaster71286 жыл бұрын
Scouttrooper39 CRB-27B both, but I specifically love Crescent Hawks Revenge because it birthed MechCommander
@scout23696 жыл бұрын
Cool! Always nice to meet another battletech universe lover!
@Lachlant19845 жыл бұрын
When you were testing the Innovation sound card I could hear a difference when you used the real SID chip versus the SwinSID chip. The music on the real SID chip in the Innovation card was maybe a semitone higher than it was with the SwinSID chip. I actually liked the music at that pitch to be honest with you.
@compzac2 жыл бұрын
Yes but in the c64 they were identical... and since the innovation was doing that weird percussion glitch with the swin sid, my guess was that it was another fault of the compatibility and not the swin sid, i bought a swin sid for my 64 and it sounds wonderful, which is good, but really its a good thing only because when i bought my 64 all the chips worked aside from the SID it barely worked at first and died not long after getting the machine, with those old chips being expensive the swin sid saved my machine... literally i was going to turn it into a parts machine for a broken c64 with a prettier case.
@derpasaurusrex29936 жыл бұрын
Nice a long video, can't wait to watch! It's always cool watching your videos and what you do!
@venyafox66916 жыл бұрын
Знакомые все микросхемы :)
@xander2866 жыл бұрын
The best youtube channel ever
@SoopaPop6 жыл бұрын
That microcontroller sound chip replacement is really cool!
@MarekKoshinski6 жыл бұрын
Sound Card video for my birthday? Awesome!!
@cissa956 жыл бұрын
Why cant anyone make sid chips anymore?
@theLuigiFan0007Productions6 жыл бұрын
Likely nobody can get the masks used for manufacturing the ICs. You could reproduce one using reverse engineering, but it would be hard.
@darkwinter60286 жыл бұрын
Also, there’s chip fab process issues - even if you have the original artwork for the masks; modern chip fabs will produce chips with different analog characteristics than the original 1970’s MOSTEK chip fab did...
@bredmond8126 жыл бұрын
I wanted to know too. i looked in the comments section to see if somebody else asked. i am making this dumb comment so I can get notified of other answers.
@electronash6 жыл бұрын
cissa95 There are already several FPGA SID clones, and some use external analog parts to simulate the original filters more faithfully. But, to my ears, even with the digital filters, it sounds awesome. It's especially great in "fake stereo" mode on headphones, where each of the three channels is panned slightly left or right. The thing is, the original SID chips could sound noticeably different from each other, even from the same revision or batch. And then there are quite a few different revisions of both the 6581 and 8580 which all sound different. This obviously tends to make C64 fans say "Well, it doesn't sound quite like MY SID chips...". Of course it doesn't. :p Most of them have all been characterized for their frequency / distortion / filter response etc., and there IS such a thing as "the average SID chip". (for both the 6581 and 8580.) Sure, the FPGA core versions might sound a bit too clean compared to the average original SID, but there are lots of options for tweaking the resolution, the filters, choice of DAC etc. ;) Sound of the SID replacements like SwinSID are very good, too, but may still have a few incompatibilities with a handful of games / demos.
@AttilaAsztalos6 жыл бұрын
Legends say that having found no apprentice worthy of his standards of excellence to train, the Last Sidmaker took the secrets of his craft to his grave; and thus Sidmaking came to a tragic end amidst much ululation and despair...
@titanium_rocket15056 жыл бұрын
10:03 that’s the PAL Version if I’m not mistaken
@CyberliteGS6 жыл бұрын
Most people when the computer breaks say "TIME TO GET THE SLEDGE HAMMER!" but the 8Bit Guy says "This looks pretty simple"
@icenesiswayons99625 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing this to light, I agree with Wolvenar about selling my older hardware. I have a Sound Blaster 16 ASP ver. Still in the box from 1993 with all software and a couple of AdLib cards and no telling how many other different brand cards. This will be like winning a small lottery, lol:-) Thanks again.
@DjResR6 жыл бұрын
10:57 soviet chips._
@Sheevlord4 жыл бұрын
That's because the replica is made by a guy from Russia, Макс Крюков. He has a KZfaq channel. One of the videos is about this replica sound card.
@memmoman4 жыл бұрын
soyuz nerushimy
@shogunkub4 жыл бұрын
@@Sheevlord More to say, now Innovation SSI-2001 has MIDI drivers and should work with a great amount of games: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=39270
@mtoad6 жыл бұрын
2:03 bonk.
@chops19766 жыл бұрын
That SwinSID device is one remarkable piece of engineering.
@MatroxMillennium6 жыл бұрын
FWIW, the 78L09 specified on the silkscreen is a 9V voltage regulator, not a transistor. :)
@kuroineko2566 жыл бұрын
its been like 16 seconds and theres already 300 views
@gwishart6 жыл бұрын
Probably David's patrons - I believe they get early access to the videos.
@brycevo6 жыл бұрын
10:23 Monty on the Run? No, I'm pretty sure this is "We Are Number One"
@theforkontheleft86046 жыл бұрын
Very dead
@bx19tgd6 жыл бұрын
Ignore the haters We are number one will never die.
@ShockingPikachu6 жыл бұрын
ScientificStevie NOW LOOK AT THIS GAME THAT I JUST FOUND!
@PaulaRamirez6 жыл бұрын
A U T I S M (look for Mowtendoo-Autism).
@iCarlyfan45346 жыл бұрын
Its been over a year since anyone has thought this was funny go the hell away
@JKNProductions6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved the content. Loved the old sounds
@martin1b6 жыл бұрын
I had buyers regret when I originally bought my Adlib back in the day since the sound blaster had great sound effects where they were unavailable on my Adlib. Glad to see it's gone up in value.
@matthijsjanse32756 жыл бұрын
did you notice monty on the run was like an octave lower on the simulated sid?
@sjdpfisvrj6 жыл бұрын
matthijs janse was that an octave? Sounded like a few steps down to me. I am wondering whether this another NTSC vs PAL thing, where the chip was running at the wrong speed.
@AmyraCarter6 жыл бұрын
It was off by four steps and a flat. An octave is eight steps, or seven and a sharp/flat for major/minor scale. David's PAL theory sounds like the most accurate diagnosis.
@lister_of_smeg65456 жыл бұрын
The SID player doesn't know is whether the SSI card is using a real SID or a SwinSID, so there shouldn't be any difference regardless of PAL/NTSC. Also, neither the real SID nor the SwinSID have any idea whether they are PAL or NTSC either - they should just run off the clock that's fed to them. My guess is that the SwinSID is expecting one of the C64 clocks (~1.023 MHz NTSC, ~0.985 MHz PAL) and doesn't like the clock which the SSI card is sending it (~0.895 MHz).
@5mf1nc6 жыл бұрын
No, the SSU has it's own clock, but does not detect the external one. you have to manually set if you using PAL or NTSC pitch. Also there is a "fun fact" about the SSI: it runs on a different clock than any C64, depending on the board it may have jumper to set different clocks, but the SSU only capable of handling true C64 PAL or NTSC clocks as of now.
@AttilaAsztalos6 жыл бұрын
Noticed that immediately - "what do you mean some of the percussion track is missing, this is not even the same tone!"
@crazystick6 жыл бұрын
Макс красава
@cyclenut5 жыл бұрын
I had an adlib card in one of my first PCs. Thanks for bring back the memory.
@BryanLiesner6 жыл бұрын
I noticed that you played Rob Hubbard SID music. He was pretty awesome, and appeared in one of my favorites, Human Race. I spent way too much time trying to get through the levels. Wish I still had my C64.
@TsutsuYumeGunnm6 жыл бұрын
лойс за к155
@serhio42755 жыл бұрын
Только после твоего замечания заметил что там затесалась ЛАшка. Держи лойс, заслужил за внимательность
@Figulus6 жыл бұрын
Greetings to the 8-Bit Guy; I have recently gotten an SD2IEC for my Commodore 64 so I can play more games on my machine. However, I've been having trouble getting games that require multiple disks (such as Ultima IV) to work on my computer, or at least after the second disk is required. Would you please consider making a video that explains how best avoid such issues that are commonly encountered by those starting out with vintage computers who may not have such a background in this area. Many thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
@caden33066 жыл бұрын
e-mail him as well to make sure
@El_Guapo746 жыл бұрын
I got one of those things a while back was majorly disappointed that I couldn't a bunch of multi disk games to work. So I got a 1541 Ultimate-II cartridge and was sad no more. SD2IEC is now a hand me down to the Vic-20 and surprisingly works really well on that machine. You should just retire that thing IMO
@Figulus6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did, however, I was having a bit of trouble getting rid of the ".txt" suffix even though I'd deleted that from the name, the Commodore screen still read, "autoswap.lst.tst". When I went back on my PC to investigate I found that if I right clicked the file in the list of options, my security software had listed, "Scan autolist.lst.txt" so I am a bit confused on what to do.
@Figulus6 жыл бұрын
Ok, much appreciated.
@dlarge65026 жыл бұрын
If you are editing the file in notepad when you save the file change the file type to "All files" which should allow you to manually name the file "autoswap.lst". Or as mentioned below, configure windows to always "show extensions for known file types". After you do this all files with have their extension visible and when you edit the extension windows will ask you to confirm you wish to change the extension. You can find that setting in several places. If you are using win 10, you have a "File extensions" tick box in the View menu in File Explorer. This is only for the folder you are currently viewing. You can also set it for all folders by opening "Change folder and search options" in the File menu of file explorer. You need to UNtick the "Hide extensions for known file types" If you are using win 10, search in cortana for File Extensions and the setting pops up. Once that is done the extension should be editable. Your file will appaer to be named as autolist.lst.txt and you can just delete the .txt.
@minecraftermad6 жыл бұрын
13:00 oooohh mule's music has been stuck in my head forever and i never found what it was from
@Zuggy6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that someone is emulating the SID chip on a microcontroller.
@financialzero56846 жыл бұрын
my tv has this weird thing, if the screen is blank... it looks like "Space War!".
@xboys_archive6 жыл бұрын
HyperSlime YT completely wrong and how do you know it was burn in
@AmyraCarter6 жыл бұрын
White Noise, lolz
@Rabadamtimtimti6 жыл бұрын
Yay!
@laci2726 жыл бұрын
I love the jingle at the start of your videos
@humbertoquackenbush39326 жыл бұрын
It's always awesome when you upload.
@Joznia6 жыл бұрын
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "software"
@Someone-gk4wy6 жыл бұрын
I was done recording roblox when I saw this and I was like “my KZfaq name is KittyCat Vintage and-OH SHOOT THE CORE IS OVERHEATING 2 minutes later... And I haven’t posted anything retro”
@CommanderMouse726 жыл бұрын
Everytime the 8bit guy uploads i immediately watch it, great content
@twiddler716 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much these old cards are selling for. When I ran a small computer shop back in the early 2000's, I trashed tons of these old parts. I still have some old cards like my Soundblaster AWE64 gold isa which now sells for over $100 on ebay.
@danielmantione6 жыл бұрын
It's because these are high-end sounds devices from the golden age of sound cards. Especially the AWE64 is one of the best sound cards ever made. After sound cards moved to PCI, all functionality from the sound card was stripped until we got today's DAC only devices. You can argue that software generated audio has its merit, but that makes them boring. These devices with their advance hardware synthesizers can learn you a lot about high quality audio synthesis.