I listened to all the downsides and actually felt encouraged to get a clip on. All the negatives either don't apply or I'm willing to accept. I'm not getting thermals for predator hunting (albeit it will be used for it), and I'm only planning to use it for a single rifle, which I'll primarily need to use the day optic (1-6). The StingIR looks great, once I make the plunge.

Love it, been looking for my first budget setup and y'all are the only company I can find with a good budget product

Absolutely LOVE the adder. Stepped up from the rattler and even that scope blew my mind.

I've always liked more the thermal, thanks for reinforcing my opinion, now I'm more convinced than ever that it was the right choice.

This looks like a great set up, thanks for giving a lucky individual an opportunity to win one of these

Pros of a clip-on: Not dealing with the short eye relief that comes with most dedicated thermal weapon sights. A clip on projects an image through your LPVO in a way that allows for an amazingly large image that takes up the entire ocular lens of your scope at anything 2x and beyond. Also as far as saving zero profiles: it’s not difficult to write down your X & Y screen adjustments for each rifle. It takes all of 10 seconds to change the collimation settings in the menu. Not being able to save your zero profile is a null issue.

Hey guys, really liking this new format. Keep posting good stuff!

Great information, thanks for covering the pros and cons.

This video plus the advice of coyote hunters helped out immensely.

Great information! Glad I saw this before purchasing a clip on

Glad to have watched this video and see some more research into clip ons and scopes

Hey so here's an idea then. You guys said you would have to columate the thermal to each rifle each time. Why don't you just allow for a number of different collumated presets that allow for a label or numerical association. This shouldn't be very difficult to do as it is simply a software change. You guys would probably also be the pioneers in this concept. Just an idea. Great products.

Thanks for hosting this! I’d love to have either!

I'd have to try a clip on out for myself before deciding if it can really compete with a normal thermal scope, but you guys have me more interested than I was previously for sure.

All around great products! Never had any issues with my Varmint. Looking at getting my son something soon!

A lot of great information!

Appreciate the input. I tend to lean in the clip on camp only because I need versatile kit vs niche. May not be as effective, but that’s a trade off I’m willing to eat if I can migrate to guns with different purposes and priority of day fighting

Loved this comparison! Thanks

thanks for the great information, good job on the video

Love AGM. Great products.

this was a good perspective for someone getting ready to drop some coin to help make the best decision for them

Thanks for the advice and knowledge!

This is going to be awesome

AGM are great products at great prices.Excellent App. and firmware updates are great too.

This was very helpful. Thanks.

Love it guys!

Excellent information here guys

Great information!!

Awesome comparison 💪

Great information! Thank you

Thanksn, it was intersting and informative.

Thanks for the timely review

Sweet, good info!

Great presentation of the different options

Clarity here is great for someone being in the market for a thermal

It was really very interesting and informative

Great information. I was one of the misconceptions.

Great video

Thanks for the info!

Thanks guys for an awesome take on this subject. I’m struggling which direction to go with that whole idea. I like the idea of having a clip on for scanning then using it with an lpvo, but having a dedicated optics the clarity of nice also

All good points and good advice. I'd get a scope over a clip-on and just dedicate a particular weapon or upper to use with it.

Both seem amazing

Very good points thanks for doing this

Love the scopes

I am in Texas. I have the Rattler 25. Because of the lower magnification. Ideal for hog hunting. It is the 385 or whatever. I also have your lower end monocular. 150 reso 156 maybe. I have your white phos pvs14. The handheld can be a great supplement to the pvs14 even a budget friendly one. I would like to try a clip on. I have one AR with 1-4x. If I throw a clip on in. I could have a do all. I just use the Streamlight HIR pistol light on the rail at 12:00. To shot under nightvision, they work great for me. I am going to look into that smaller clip on. Thanks for the video.

really lovin it

Awesome thermal!

geat conversation, good luck with the giveaway

Great information

Thanks for the video. I think in going clip-on. I had a 384 quick mount thermal break. I'm going with the clip because I use an old ATN clip on and have had great success with it. Theremal is where it's at though. I like the clip on NV because I can use on on my pellet rifles, .22s, and hog rifles. I think using my favorite rifles and havinf flexibility is better. I just want to be sure though. Every time it is switched t9 a different rifle I will need to align the redicle correct?

Definitely came into this video thinking that I wanted a clip-on thermal, but left thinking about wanting a scope and dedicated rifle more.

Good info!

Great info

Awesome!!

I have a dedicated scope. It's one of the mid-range rattlers, I've seen what buying a high-end clip-on but the one thing I can absolutely agree with even without trying one is the magnification issues. If the cost is the same then it's pointless to buy a clip on.

Amazinggggg

I’m interested in NV clip ons so I can use the same rifle for day and night hunting. I have an AGM thermal, but I’d like a NV tube and clipon too to have options

Great info id love to have a thermal scope

Nice comparisons

The thermal scope would be great for an entry device!

Awesome!

Oh and also to add why people use QD levers is generally not to swap optics between different rifles but to allow for usage of another optic while not having to rezero when I replace my main optic. For instance I don't hunt and shoot with my thermal all of the time. As a matter of fact that's not the purpose for the build but because I have a quality qd mount in able to remove my regular dot and swap out for my thermal which happens to also be zeroed and retains zero when reattached. It's a very convenient and cost effective way to have a main building that also can be turned into a thermal capable hunting machine only for the cost of a slightly more expensive mount, rather than a full rifle build.

I was thinking of adding a clip on to my crossbow but it has a short pic rail. Do you have to mount it or will it work just as clip on?

Sounds like AGM just needs to make a better Clip-On.

I have two clip ons with one of those being thermal and one is NV. I use both between between 3 different weapons so I don’t use the collimating feature of the thermal. I have to adjust zero for whatever combo I’m using. I just have an index card taped to my stocks with three different zeros for each weapon. That means you have to use a scope that is repeatable. Even your above average hunting scopes will not be effective in that area. This means more money for better quality optics. Other than being able to use different platforms the clip on shines on target in my opinion. I have two dedicated thermal scopes and know other people with dedicated scopes and most of the time you will not be able to sight in a dedicated thermal with the same precision that you can with a clip on because with the clip on you’re adjusting you’re day optic (with my method) and the dedicated thermal scopes the cross hair adjust usually one pixel at a time which can mean at say a normal 200 yard hunting zero it’s near impossible to get your weapon to hit dead on. The biggest downside to a clip on for me is the weight on the front of your weapon because most clip on are not Sting IR size. I would love to compare it to my rattler.

For the people!

Be a great tool to add to my hunting arsenal

very nice video

Very nice

I really like my TC-35 i had it paired with a vortex viper II 1-6 for a long time but switched over to the primary arms glx 2.5-10 im curious as to if the image quality is the same or better with the 640 stinger compared to the 640 tc-35 looking for a helmet mounted unit to run with my NV

thermal is the way to go

Does a thermal device exist that is a helmet option, lpvo/red dot clip-on?

What clip on are using on your lpvo scope?

Looking at the clip-on option to carry in my hunting backpack. I'm color-blind and would like the option to shoot 1 hour before and 1 hour after daylight. I used a nAGM Rattler TS19-256 last season as a dedicated rig and didn't like it. The pic was not great, there was no depth perception, looking at the screen for prolonged periods made my eyes sore and gave me a headache. Given my use case 100-200 yards max and only needing it for a couple hours a day, would I be better served to get a clip-on or a dedicated upper/rifle? The main thing is I didn't like looking through the digital screen and the eye fatigue it caused. Also, carrying a separate gun with a dedicated thermal would be impractical for weight and pack-space reasons. My hunting rig runs a dedicated 3-12x56mm Swaro optic.

What handguard is on that LMT and what’s the barrel length?

I need this for when the Boogaloo happens

I run thermal scope now looking to get a back up nv scope

I am in Texas and have varmint issues. Coyote Cat Pig. Dedicated gun what is a reasonable priced night capable model for 100-200 yards?

Great topic, don't necessarily agree with your thoughts but thats ok, I started with a clip on, went to a dedicated unit and returned to yet again a clip on. The reason I prefer the clip on is if the unit packs it in or you get caught out with flat batteries remove the unit clip on your Olight and keep hunting, your outing is not fully wrecked, doesent happen you might say or carry spare batteries, well in 4 years I had 2 major failures with the dedicated unit which was sent off for warranty leaving me weeks without a scope, by the same token I had the propriety battery pack it in on my clip on, again leaving me without a usable unit. Having used thermal for the last 6 years as a professional feral controller in my experience the clip on is more versatile and safer in a breakdown, oh and both scope and clip on's were top end units, they stuff up also not just the budget or mid range ones.

Cool thanks

awesome

Tanodized LMT is God tier rifle

I have had poor experience with thermal scopes not holding zero, you know zero it today they take it out in a few daays and it’s hitting 6” low, can’t understand or trust the electronic scopes. That’s why I was looking for a clip on as a normal scope will hold its zero.

I just bought a stingir 384 to use as a clip-on. Since it does not come with an ADM mount, how is the return to zero when you take it off from the clip on position and put it back later in your experience?

After this most recent update for the ts35-384 rattler I can't get my hotspot to turn on it just says network close and won't let me change it

So.. shouldni skip my ACOG purchase for my 300 blackout and just get a thermal? $ is not the issue.. that said, i dont want to buy and cry about it. Thermal scope have deop compensator like rhat ACOG I want? What thermal should i use for clip on for ACOG if I go the clip-on route.. remember that ACOG RCO is a 4x. Help..

Thx ...i want one ..omg

Both? Both? Both is good 😂

sweet!

Have atn thor 4… have profiles set for different guns.. don’t see the issue.. and i don’t have to check zero as it is always as i left it 🤷‍♂️

Nice

anyone can tell me if thermal scopes track as precisely as daytime scopes?

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Great

Sir what is different between thermal and thermal clip.

Need a clip on..

They kind of danced around the "tactical" considerations. If it goes to sh!t and you're limited to one rifle (keep it simple, keep it light) then you'll want to have a quick option to switch between daylight and night optic capability. In my mind, and as mentioned a few times here, there are two routes to achieve the switch, and both involve good, reliable return to zero quick detach (QD) mounts. Option 1) Have a 1×-?× lpvo and thermal each mounted to QDs and exchange as needed. Option 2) Have a 1x-?× lpvo either QD or hard mounted and then use a thermal "clip on" (such as the Stinger) QD mounted to add for night ops. Due to weight and simplicity considerations, I think I'd go with option 2.

There's always points for and against, but with my budget it's all academic.

Nice - finally some honesty on clip-ons. We refuse to sell them for every reason you listed. Customers are always dissapointed and regret the purchase. Id rather see a customer buy the cheapest thermal scope possible and with the clip-on change left over buy another gun to mount it on.

Who owns AGM? Where is it made?