AI Drama and 3D Printing | Golden Demon Adepticon Results Review!
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Күн бұрынReviewing the Results of Golden Demon 2024 at Adepticon! Which Entry was your favourite? Let me know!
0:00 Results Summary
1:35 WH40K Single & General GD Trends
9:50 Warhammer40K Unit or Killteam
14:24 Warhammer40K Vehicle or Large Miniature
19:30 Warhammer Age of Sigmar Single Miniature
24:01 AoS Unit or Warcry Warband
30:25 AoS Large Mini or Warmachine
32:35 Warhammer Underworlds Warband
35:43 The Horus Heresy
38:26 Warhammer The Old World
40:50 Middle Earth
42:30 Blood Bowl
44:10 Necromunda
45:36 Epic Scale
46:59 Diorama & Duel
51:36 Youngbloods
54:17 Open Category
56:40 Slayer Sword Discussion
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@onionknightpaintingstudio4196 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Kind words for my works! Me(Kwan Ho Kim) and my friend(Lee Jeonghoon) is so excited our first Golden Demon win. I totally agreed with your opinion on Single's Silver and Brozne. He's Szerath has less error, more interesting base, and better composition. He deserved position better than mine. Thanks for the review!
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
Both your works are amazing, you should both be proud!
@mmg492 2 ай бұрын
The unit of black templarse should have won the sword
@paddya3304 2 ай бұрын
Amazing painting and unbelievably humble. Lovely stuff.
@jedi9935 2 ай бұрын
This piece was absolutely stunning! Thank you for putting this piece of art into the world for us to enjoy!
@onionknightpaintingstudio4196 2 ай бұрын
@@trovarion Thank you! Taking Bronze does not make my Helbrecht less valuable than Silver. So yes! I’m really proud of it. It’s was the best piece I paint in 2023 🥰
@joshuahorsley2909 2 ай бұрын
Completely agree with your statement on the 40k gold, AI or not if you didn’t do it don’t include it in your entry
@henry7696 2 ай бұрын
if the artist didnt paint it, it shouldnt be part of the entry. we arent talking about a decal on a shoulder pad or a tank, its a HUGE part of the framing of the entry. this lessens the golden demon awards if its ok to just print out photos and use them directly on your work.
@nickromanthefencer 2 ай бұрын
exactly. this is one step away from taking a picture of someone else's mini and entering that printed photo as my miniature, and then winning gold. so disrespectful to have that entry win gold.
@ZombieMonkey7 2 ай бұрын
Out of all the entries GW chose it for the cover image for the announcement of winners, so we can't just say "oh well it had no impact on their decision" it frames the entire mini, there is no taking it out of the equation
@ScoptOriginal 2 ай бұрын
I think it should be okay to include it on the model to impress the public, but it shouldn't be taken into account when evaluating the model, so perhaps it should be disallowed purely to make the judges' job easier
@neoh6617 Ай бұрын
+
@max16 2 ай бұрын
ninjon finaly getting a golden demon award. he must of been over the moon.
@MCXL1140 2 ай бұрын
He was. It was magical.
@OldManRogers 2 ай бұрын
I thought he wasn't bothering after last year broke his diorama
@malcolmjcullen Ай бұрын
"must have", not "must of".
@gggfx4144 Ай бұрын
If you watch Ninjons review video the opening scene is the announcement
@toastybread0413 2 ай бұрын
Ah yes my favorite Chaos vehicle, Vashtorr
@4tooitous 2 ай бұрын
Alex's piece was great. I have no problem with it having 3D printed elements or winning the sword. I'm glad GW chose to reward something more conceptual and ambitious rather than picking something from a model line that recently got a new release. Neil's piece while well painted had a printed background and won gold?? AI generated or not this is Golden Demon and he came with a background he didn't paint. When I saw it in the case I thought it was very well done but had no chance of winning because of this. Apparently the judges were willing to give that a pass, which I find incredibly strange given how much they care about certain other things...
@BSJDynasty 2 ай бұрын
you are mentioning the real problem at the end here. it's the judges. Neils piece should have never placed, it looks like hot garbage compared to his last entries and the background looks simply bad. Again GW didn't think it was necessary to fly in actual Eavy Metal painters and they let god knows who judge the event, same as last year
@youtubevanced4900 2 ай бұрын
That bloodbowl vampire is actually refreshing to see a nice traditional paint job. it's so much less busy that all the tiny lines and dots. It's really nice.
@Dylanquinn666 2 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of the AI generated background. The only exception I would make for a printed background would be if the person entering painted it digitally and printed it out or used a photograph that they shot themselves. At that point a significant portion of the entry is not their own work. It might sound harsh but I think that should be a disqualification. I'm not saying that because I hate AI but it's no different than stealing someone else's painting and using it for your background.
@nickromanthefencer 2 ай бұрын
this. to me it's a slap in the face of artists who actually painted their backdrops/backgrounds for their diorama-type pieces for someone to literally just print a background out and win gold. it's straight up disrespectful, and to use AI on TOP of that disrespect, it deserves to be disqualified from a model painting competition.
@CaNuckleHeadz 2 ай бұрын
@@nickromanthefencer could not agree more
@azrael7318 2 ай бұрын
Why do people even think it is ai generated. There are zero atrifacts and ai generated pictures that are this complex allways have artifacts.
@Komodo138 2 ай бұрын
Considering the rules disallowing joint entries and 3rd party parts, an entry using Amalgamated Imaging software should be disqualified from Golden Demon entry. The AI software is a 3rd party producer of that part and the software uses a database of artist's works to generate an image. Every artist that the software references in making the image is functionally an uncredited contributor.
@geordiehicks Ай бұрын
@@azrael7318I believe the artist was open about it being ai created and has also since said they will not do that again. Third hand, so take that with a grain of salt.
@Scaran1982 2 ай бұрын
If I could paint 1/10 of these winners, I would be happy. The journey continues.
@youtubevanced4900 2 ай бұрын
Holy shit, is that a pretend water reflection but with actual miniatures? If so, that is incredible. I've never seen anything like that before. That is probably the strongest entry I've ever seen based purely on how amazing that effect is.
@Johndoe-co3pw 2 ай бұрын
AI is completely unacceptable at a golden demon competition period
@bryal7811 2 ай бұрын
4:22 The piece that uses "ai art" as a backdrop.
@ChokedByHalo1 2 ай бұрын
5:25 the dude just printed the background and hugged The Golden Demon for it, huh? Crazy
@malcolmjcullen 2 ай бұрын
I'm constantly amazed how you can reconcile the demands of your pro cycling career with this level of dedication to the art of miniature painting. Chapeau, Primoz!
@spectralcanvasimages 2 ай бұрын
While I'm happy for Ninjon finally placing in a GD, he's one of my favorite content creators focused on mini-painting... I have zero respect for the GD judges at this point... The entry that included AI generated material should have been disqualified completely!
@JStruggers 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there is nothing currently in the rules against it. So the judges had no way to disqualify it. Also Neil was super open about it with people and the judges during the event. The judges 100% knew it was AI generated when they gave it gold.
@spectralcanvasimages 2 ай бұрын
@@JStruggers Welp! All of my respect for GD is totally gone now. As far as I know the judges have the absolute final say in these competitions. It might have caused some backlash from the contestant, but they should have made a hard choice then and there to disqualify the entry! From what I've heard before these judges can disqualify an entry for just about any reason they want... It's probably not going to be long till we start seeing AI implemented in GW's products if this is their stand on the technology.
@thrrax 2 ай бұрын
@@spectralcanvasimages What makes you think they're not already doing it? They have been known to 3D print their own designs and place them in showcases.
@DracoTheBlack 2 ай бұрын
IMO diorama vs not should be separate categories. I do like the dioramas that tell a story but I would also like to see a mini on a game legal base painted to absolute perfection where the mini stands on it's own merit completely.
@WeiHui-sr2uv 2 ай бұрын
Hey mate! Thank you for your comments on the Goliath gang. Yes! The skin is definitely my favorite part too. It's my first time participant in Golden Demon and I wish there will be more for you to review in the future! Peace.
@vinvenal4243 2 ай бұрын
I love the textured/stippled blends on highlights that seem to be the style at the moment, they make everything look like oil paintings in a way that i just think looks super cool.
@lowriderbug Ай бұрын
GW need to bring back the old rule where models had to be removable from scenic bases so judges could compare models without the scenery and focus on painting skill over diorama building ability.
@trovarion Ай бұрын
Tend to agree...more unified basing rules would be good so not every category becomes diorama.
@coreyburge8663 2 ай бұрын
Love hearing your opinions on these things! Perhaps a video on stiple blending for us commoners?
@miguelperez9906 2 ай бұрын
Would oodles and oodles of skulls abd weapons coming out of a sea of blood be good for basing ?
@ncsuwolf69 2 ай бұрын
Question: When you "plan" a Golden Daemon (or any painting comp) entry, what do you do? Do you sketch it out? Blue tac all the pieces/major pieces? Decide all of your colors and lighting and every minute details before you even start building (much less painting)?
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
You do whatever helps you figure out your entry best. Yes.
@Wijkert 2 ай бұрын
The one that won the sword was also my favorite. Already had my eye on it without seeing the rest of the pieces. Love the sculpt, love the concept, love the execution; very special piece. My runner up would be either Alariel by Ruben or the Bretonnian knight by Raphael Boyon. The knight was completely scratchbuild if I remember correctly which makes it even more impressive.
@SvartElric9 2 ай бұрын
About the Slayer Sword, at first I also thought he'd bought 2 Cados, but when I realized that it wouldn't have worked... Mind blown!
@ianalexander7082 2 ай бұрын
I think the painting on Neils piece must be stunning (hard to tell through video). I actually think it won in spite of the backdrop. It's a shame, but I think the backdrop detracts from the mini. It's too similar in colours, tones and shapes and detracts from the outline on the mini, in my opinion. If it was AI, I don't think that gave it any edge.
@gwilks7447 2 ай бұрын
I didn't get a chance to watch the entire stream, glad you made a video recap, thanks!
@Komodo138 2 ай бұрын
The amount of 3D printing and creativity in that space with photogrammetry and custom sculpting is good to see. I also really like the traditional sculpting and kitbashing in some of the other entries and think that both mediums have amazing value in the miniature modelling hobby as an art form and in these competitions. The skill of these artists before they even put paint to plastic is amazing.
@Daedricbob 2 ай бұрын
That silver placed Bloodbowl team at 43:05 was the standout for me, it was fantastic!
@Thanaroa 2 ай бұрын
Love them all, my personal favorite is Perturabo
@Wijkert 2 ай бұрын
55:33 Richard Gray's Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig was in open, because he had multiple entries for the same category (AOS single) and entered his "second best one" in open, instead of not entering it at all.
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
makes sense!
@LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue 2 ай бұрын
The Vashtorr skin effect reminds me very much of the skin consistency and pattern of the Borg Queen in the Star Trek Movies
@user-og5rk5lt1s 2 ай бұрын
In the US It was a long term trend that you would paint a single mini and with spare time you could paint another single mini and enter it in the open comp.
@ADhammer 2 ай бұрын
I love your coverage of these events!
@jamiepetereit7828 2 ай бұрын
the space hulk one is beautiful.
@Wijkert 2 ай бұрын
Always one of your video's I look forward to the most. Hope you keep doing them Trov!
@nunyahbuidness7959 2 ай бұрын
Love the orcs lounging on Warhammers best basing material lol Age of sigmar single mini second place, if he had a drop of blood falling into the resin pond from the goblet it would really add to that,
@DarioPattarini 2 ай бұрын
Rules are clear. If not GW, it should be built from scratch by the participant. Providing pics of WIP if asked. AI generated is a violation, bluntly and willingly done. Disqualification would have been the only possible outcome. At least before, with collaborations, to sculptors were given the deserved merits
@Sandstorm11911 2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the execution serves the art. To me it has not to be difficult to look the best.
@NathanielGarro-ru7du 2 ай бұрын
It all looks samey-same now. They all have sharp edge highlights, all look airbrushed, all look touched up by filters even though they aren't. The grittiness has gone. As for the winners, it always seems to be the same old faces. I went to games day back in the early 2000s and the cutting of the entrants by the judges was insane. Pieces were entered, the judges walked along so far and seemed to cut everything that wasn't the "current" style. They also only went so far before stopping and didn't put the rest through-yes, there were A LOT of entries but people had spent hours doing something so all entries should have been considered. There was every chance a better entry didn't even get considered. I remember being almost excited to see the entries in WD Golden Demons but now I don't really bother-I've seen it all before.
@mattcurr9931 2 ай бұрын
thanks, i always look forward to these GD recaps
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
Glad you like them!
@TheMechn 2 ай бұрын
I love videos like these though it gets you to really think about how to think about your mini as an art piece and what to look for and how to approach it
@rspablo91 2 ай бұрын
So can you use 3d printed stuff to enter into golden demon?
@Heimdall1987 2 ай бұрын
This thumbnail is ridiculous. And the AI entry should have been disqualified.
@asiburger 2 ай бұрын
Yes, the thumbnail is ridiculous, however Trov is just always scraping by on viewer numbers, but I do love his actual miniature work. So be it forgiven. And naw, it shouldn't be banned for that. That's ridiculous. Imagine spending thousands of hours painting and then getting kicked, because you've used a printed out backdrop. All because some loser in his late 30s was screeching about technology he is afraid of. 😂
@Heimdall1987 2 ай бұрын
@@asiburger afraid of AI? What drug are you on mate? In an art competition, AI generated backdrops have no place. It most definitely should have been disqualified. And the number of hours spent on an entry bears no relevance whatsoever. I can spend 2000 hours on an amazing Marvel miniature, and it will be disqualified if I enter it in GD. And aboubt being a loser, I would bet an arm that I am way more successful in life than you are, you turd.
@harrisonlorens3585 2 ай бұрын
@@asiburgerterrible take lmfao. Dude did literally no work on the background and you are defending it like a weirdo.
@nicholasscott3287 2 ай бұрын
He would have had to write the prompt and iterate to find one that produced the output he wanted. That does require some effort.
@Heimdall1987 2 ай бұрын
@@nicholasscott3287 what a lazy society we’ve become if we consider writing “jungle with river” a major effort… pathetic.
@shadowlord19 26 күн бұрын
Hey Chris! Will you be participating this year in Essen? I'd really love to see your work up-close. Cheers!
@trovarion 26 күн бұрын
I want to, but no minis currently inspire me to spend 100 hours on, so we will see.
@shadowlord19 26 күн бұрын
@@trovarion I hope you find inspiration mate!
@SarahRoseCO10 2 ай бұрын
No it does matter if it's AI generated, that background should have been removed or the piece should have been disqualified. I hope the competition outlaws AI from here on out. Edit: fantastic video though. I learn so much from these!
@TriskelArts 2 ай бұрын
At ~5:50 you mention how it doesn't matter if an artist directly takes another artists work to use as a background for Golden Demon. I respectfully disagree. Regardless of AI and rules, entries into any professional painting competition or gallery exhibition should not be using a direct copy of another artists work without permission. I've worked with galleries and mini companies, and they would be livid if someone straight up printed a direct copy of something they had and then it ended up online essentially being used as promo material for another company. They typically have their finger on the pulse with anything they can respond to legally, and so I'd anticipate some kind of challenge. Have seen tempers lost and legal gauntlets thrown down for less.
@nathancoronado8972 2 ай бұрын
his point was that not that it doesnt matter, it was that you shouldnt really use any of those options since its a "painting competition", and you should just paint the background yourself. the way i heard it he was just saying all those options were equally bad, and you should just paint it anyway. but im not him so who knows what he actually meant.
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
@@nathancoronado8972 this is exactly what I mean.
@TriskelArts 2 ай бұрын
@@nathancoronado8972 I have gone back and rewatched the video three times, and that interpretation only makes sense if you assume he is saying the sentence backwards with the context at the end. If the content of the video requires a textual explanation then that speaks volumes. The textual explanation itself is rather meaningless when there is a literal video to watch for the viewer themselves to interpret, regardless of intent. I genuinely just cannot get past how he literally says it in the video, implying it does not matter - I want to believe the explanation, but that’s just not what he says.
@jebus3497 2 ай бұрын
@@TriskelArts apparently he is not a native speaker, so why not give him benefit of the doubt?
@harrisonlorens3585 2 ай бұрын
@@TriskelArtsI 100% agree with you. And also there is the weird situation with the thumbnail. Like, yes it is changed now. But it was initially deliberately posted with incorrect arrows. Just like the oddly phrased sentence, this was a choice made on purpose through all stages of editing. Really feels like Chris missed the mark on this one hard.
@lijo03 Ай бұрын
Just got that box. I'll add the lonespear when it's released. With the og kroot and farstalkers, it's already at 1k points!(ish.....) great video, really nice breakdown of units and lots of ideas. I'm very casual myself, so it's nice to see someone cater to that! Subscribed! (And not for the titan! I remember you from the shop.)
@trovarion Ай бұрын
Wrong person buddy.
@lijo03 Ай бұрын
@@trovarion oops! I really need to turn off autoplay! 😅
@lijo03 Ай бұрын
I'm subscribed to you too though!
@lijo03 Ай бұрын
@trovarion oops, I really need to turn off autoplay!
@reisakashiya 2 ай бұрын
Oh boy here we go
@blackenedsprite8542 2 ай бұрын
The major dislike i have about this gd over others is the amount of super clean, boneless looking paint jobs. I get that it's an art competition first and foremost, but the minis don't look life-like or real at all. Imo there's no real bite to any of them. They all shimmer and shine away (even the nurgle stuff has weirdly furniture polished skin) without ever looking like they have any weight 🤷♂️ My opinion, just personal preference.
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
I think miniature painting always had trends and what you mention is definitely the current trend, yes.
@carlstanford7607 2 ай бұрын
Excellent commentary and very enjoyable video. Thanks mate
@Tryptic214 2 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, as someone who's been out of both Warhammer and 3D printing for a little while, I got excited wondering if we have AI designing (or maybe just optimizing) models for 3D printing now.
@cloudboar6141 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for providing a really interesting and considered commentary.
@pvrhye 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if those Ultramarines didn't suffer a little from not having conversion work. Conversion work always seems to get attention.
@redvort3x383 2 ай бұрын
I’m more of the mind set that less is more but when pieces like these get picked it tell the competitors that it need a better base or like now a printed background😂 but I am curious find out how diverse artistically the ppl who judge the pieces are.
@poilaaliop 2 ай бұрын
Bro, that space hulk scene is mind blowing to me... I love the reflection one, but the hulk is like the platonic ideal of a 40k scene.
@poilaaliop 2 ай бұрын
Also, for the 3d element... Lidar scanner, baby. Import into Sketch Up and then warp it. Idk how Alexandre Dos Santos did it but that's what comes to mind for me? But what do I know, I'm just an archaeologist, my minis look like ass. 🥲
@sillylung 2 ай бұрын
I think if the 3rd place single 40k model would have gotten a higher place if the ork would have been on it
@lejeuneoli 2 ай бұрын
Slayer is well deserved. Awsome work and dedicaton. The bretonian knight from tow get his gold medal stollen 😢
@thrrax 2 ай бұрын
14:45 Exactly! It would be like comparing an M1 Abrams to an F1 car in real life.
@michaelthomas3209 Ай бұрын
I thought Nikolas NRM would get the gold in my category (AOS Unit). He is such a good painter and lovely guy. His nurgle is a bit cleaner in terms of brush precision than my lizards in my opinion. I love it and so many other entries. I suppose it’s subjective and it’s also a guess as to how much to go crazy with the base or the colours and how much to keep it simple and refined. At the end of the day most painters get along great and have huge respect for each other. 💪
@mafiamaster100 2 ай бұрын
I swear I saw that Horus Heresy entry before at a Golden Demon by David Ugolini
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
I think it got commended in a previous Golden Demon
@patinho5589 Ай бұрын
Is this competition as prestigious as the uk one? Is it basically the USA version of the UK games day Golden Demon.
@LoftOfTheUniverse 2 ай бұрын
Having no background or adding a background is the same for me. I doubt it gets them more points. It's just an easy extra touch. The AI one had a better base than the other 2 anyway. He just added a photo behind it.
@PearlJam2k6 2 ай бұрын
Taking some highlights from them all: - that Gold win feels very undeserved. AI background in a *painting* competition is a horrible cop-out, nearly 0 definition between the rider and the dino, which isnt helped by the fact the armor on it is ALSO grey like the rest of it. Sure the lower base is cute with the fish and the snake, but that backdrop and heavy lack of contrast is really bad. The Necron was much more pleasant to see. - The Ork squad was hella cool but i think the Templars were carried forward with the fabric on the tabards having "grain" to them over just flat shadows. My only complaint is the weathered dusty power-boots but immaculate armor. Bit jarring contrast but still beautiful. - Both the drone and Russ are very...bland i want to say. There's nothing on them that speaks to me or stands out in particular, especially on the Russ. It just looks unfinished. Vashtorr is gorgeous, both in composition and paint quality. Excellent choice of colors with the mottled skin with the streaking yellows. - Not sold on the AoS gold, but the skin tone is amazing i'll admit. The silver has a lot to it. The iron texture in particular is pleasant to look at. - Huge applause to Ninjon on getting his Bronze. Well deserved, it was fun to follow him build it. The Nurglites are fucking amazing, simply put. The variety of greens is gorgeous. The Lizzies are also very pleasant, especially with the 2 shades playing with each other. It seems to highlight each figure very well. - The giant tanker bug is amazingly gorgeous and i love the idea of the magic base creating grass etc. - The Gold Warband i think wins out simply by color choices. They're bold and very artsy but it works super well over the more realistic ones. - The HH ones are all impressive, Silver's "rain" effect looks weird though with it not being going the same way. Perty looks amazing but the posing is a bit weird despite the hyper clean and detailed paintjob. - TOW Red Knight is dope, especially for being a tribute to old artwork. The troll skin is amazing but i wouldnt call it gold-tier compared to the other 2 that are better composed. - The Necro ones, not a fan of the gold. Super well painted but the one with the diorama base feels much more cohesive overall. - Epic Silver is cool, i love the basing style and concept. Titan is generic and very static overall. - Silver Duel is simply insane , especially the detail of the gore and the spinning barrel. Gold is just baffling to look at in its execution but all 3 are super creative and highly polished i think. - Youngbloods is impressive, i wish i could work this way when i was their age. I didnt even have half the quality of some of those. - I dont get why the Open Gold won, especially over that Silver giant squig. Its very basic 'Eavy Metal vs a super colored, contrasty finished squigg. Some super weird choices here and there.
@scottburns2671 2 ай бұрын
If you can't commission someone else to paint you a background, and you can't now hire someone to sculpt you a model, AI generated crap definitely has no place in it. At least the former options involve some human creativity and, presumably, paying for that service, not using something built on stealing from that very concept. Because no, generating something with 'AI' is not a human creating something. It's stealing something off a Google search with extra steps. If it's self created in Photoshop or similar, a tougher question, similar to someone being able to 3D model is an advantage too, so would be at least willing to debate that point, but not for AI.
@briochepanda 2 ай бұрын
Next big "how to win a golden demon" gimmick will be scented paints.
@paddya3304 2 ай бұрын
Can't imagine the Nurgle range would sell well.
@toastybread0413 2 ай бұрын
@@paddya3304Warhammer players wouldn't be able to tell
@miguelperez9906 2 ай бұрын
Bro that’s how the hose of mouse and realtors sell you on things outside of your budget so it could work
@paddya3304 2 ай бұрын
@@toastybread0413 Hehe you have a point
@jonnil1997 2 ай бұрын
@@toastybread0413lol
@cannedsnow4511 2 ай бұрын
tank model, the sight/ targeter on the heavy bolter isnt painted
@Goodenough- Ай бұрын
It's probably a good thing to know your competition on this platform (24:06) lol
@trovarion Ай бұрын
you realise that this was banter, since he was in chat? I even say I talked to him in private 2 seconds later.
@PhD777 2 ай бұрын
The group of three red space elves were beautiful! Based on the pictures, there were better than the medalists.
@dodosh9444 2 ай бұрын
I fully agree with you that it does not matter whether they printed another artists painting or an AI background. Both is stealing from artists and not suitable for a painting competition. It is disappointing to see. (Nothing against people doing that for their private minis, go have fun!)
@PhD777 2 ай бұрын
The WHOW silver medalist had better style, free-hand and overall execution and presentation than the chaos troll regardless of the green putty conversions.
@Hurtone 2 ай бұрын
Why do so many people think there is a rule change for team entries? The text is word by word identical to past years.
@erik_swinson 2 ай бұрын
Because in the last few golden demons they were allowed, I won in open with 2 and I was quite clear about the fact I didn’t sculpt them. This year we were told by Darren Latham himself they would not be allowed and the ones that were entered were disqualified.
@Hurtone 2 ай бұрын
@@erik_swinsonthanks mate! So it is just a policy change in how they read the rules, make sense. Thanks.
@Popcornmix494 2 ай бұрын
I mean the competition is mainly about miniatures and bases, I feel like a background is a nice thing and being painted or printed shouldn´t be problematic. He could have entered it without and it wouldnt change the mini or the quality of the paintjob
@fulcrum8583 2 ай бұрын
I have to admit that I don't care much for these high end competitions. Yes, the pieces are impressive, but they do not have much to do with the hobby aspect of miniatures wargaming, and they represent miniatures wargaming even less. I consider them as adjacent, an art form which came out of miniatures wargaming. What interests me more are best painted armies and such on miniatures wargaming events, because these are much more down to earth and actually represent the hobby.
@urosprodic137 2 ай бұрын
Do you all not see the arrows?
@PhD777 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video! 👍🏻👍🏻 Many of the techniques (OSL, NMM, TMM, cross hatching, stippling, et cetera) that fantasy/sci-fi painters are just now discovering, have been in use by Historical minnatures painters for 30 - 40+ years. (The Russian and Spanish painters being premiere in the pre 18th C. periods; the British and Americans dominating the 18th C onward.)
@isaacstokes3132 2 ай бұрын
It’s fucking ridiculous to say it doesn’t matter and that it wouldn’t matter if they used another artists work as well. It is not their own work and therefore shouldn’t appear on the mini.
@agnpaints2663 2 ай бұрын
I agree with you, however he just jumped on the kingdom death discord to elaborate his opinion: "AI bad and all...but it's not painted...so why is it there to begin with lol" That is to say, yes, AI bad but there's a bigger fish to fry and that is: its not even painted so why is it in a painting competition?
@mattcurr9931 2 ай бұрын
@@agnpaints2663 i havent watched the vid yet, i assume its the jungle backdrop, i thought the same thing when i saw the results
@CaNuckleHeadz 2 ай бұрын
Completely agree. If it’s not made/painted by you it shouldn’t be there. Totally against the spirit of the competition and would think he would have some respect for his fellow artists.
@jordivermeulen2519 2 ай бұрын
I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I interpreted it more like "if you didn't paint it, it shouldn't be on there," regardless of whether you print some AI-generated art or use a photo someone else took.
@isaacstokes3132 2 ай бұрын
@@agnpaints2663 then I apologise for a gross misinterpretation if that was his point- I interpreted it the opposite that it “didn’t rly matter like get over it ppl” kinda thing and that’s mb. I completely side with him if that was his overall opinion I misunderstood
@studiofoureightnine 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, using that thumbnail to get clicks is garbage.
@Brettoh 2 ай бұрын
The actual quality of the piece (AI drama aside) is better than the silver/bronze. GW is part to blame for making it Golden Diorama.
@froggyphdvods 2 ай бұрын
my controvertial opinon is that in Golden demon your should have to use the base or same size base that the mini comes on, it would mean the judging goes back to teh mini instead of being oh the minis pretty could but this one is gonna win because the backdrop and base are imense. Obvs this wouldnt include diorama and duel.
@froggyphdvods 2 ай бұрын
I also think previously trophy winners shoudl have their own catagories, I feel like many people who want to paint for a competition feel put off by these people who are professional commission painters so they just don't. I also think it would be better with the no backdrops small bases because then you would be opening up the entries to people painting a nice guy for tabletop rather then this guy on a thick wooden plynth who can only ever sit on a display shelf.
@mathieutherezien1397 2 ай бұрын
I'm a little surprised to still see winning entries with branches/roots that look like(*) they were just stuck on the base and painted over. I mean, sure it looks "natural" but it still requires a lot of effort to make it look natural at the scale of the model (i.e. a tree/bush/...) rather than a piece of wood at our scale. It's not quite as jarring as broken cork tiles that *never* look like anything else than broken cork tiles, let alone stone slabs, unless heavily modified with putty and/or sculpting, but I still find it very distracting.
@lemsdarkapprentice2535 2 ай бұрын
the Horus Heresy gold should have won the slayer sword; it was sooooo much better + technical
@justincrawford5992 2 ай бұрын
Is printing a background any different from using transfer or waterslide decal on a shoulder? You can argue neither are painting.
@goforitpainting 2 ай бұрын
100% Professional 👍
@jamesmaybrick2001 2 ай бұрын
Those terminators for me are the best by leaps and bounds. I get reflected vampy boy is very very clever, but it doesnt grab me. Those termies are magnificent. And that spinning assault cannon is a work of genius.
@StalxD 2 ай бұрын
The washing sim game has a Warhammer dlc
@ThePrrr 2 ай бұрын
"golden demon is a Lottery(...) Sometimes the others win, sometimes you loose!" .....wait wah.....?
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
You heard that right.
@Velcraft 2 ай бұрын
The classic coin flip - heads I win, tails you lose!
@hertzdoughn-ut1904 2 ай бұрын
I feel it should be a 360-degree display; a background doesn't allow for this.
@dougpridgen9682 Ай бұрын
Canvas painting vs miniature painting are different skills, so I don't know why printing a background rather than painting it is controversial at all.
@Moonlighter_TV 2 ай бұрын
Engagement for the homies.
@samthelost 2 ай бұрын
Came to say that I loved the thumbnail and it brought me to the video. I'm glad it did.
@onedollarminiatures. 2 ай бұрын
People need to get over themselves and watch the video. All point are valid, and I say: Far play Trov! Keep up the good work!
@user-rx3ny6ms8k 2 ай бұрын
They fully embracing the whole AI. The Warhammer world insta page has been posting heaps of it recently. Seems they are super keen to integrate it.
@Verity98765 2 ай бұрын
That's not an official account.
@waardlafrance110 2 ай бұрын
Using AI to make a background is not ok, but using a background found on the internet is ok. There's a paradox in the drama.
@trovarion 2 ай бұрын
That was kinda my point.
@vermillionhugh 2 ай бұрын
Great summary again! Have GW banned ‘wow’ factor?!? . 😢
@PhD777 2 ай бұрын
The slayer sword winner was won by a clever idea and execution.
@TheDyslexicDragon 2 ай бұрын
Ninjon did the 3rd place AoS Warband :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebZdpcqIsr7Xaac.html
@joelworster6665 2 ай бұрын
good shout on changing the thumbnail. I get what you were going for but it would have been easy for people to misunderstand if they didnt watch the video. Thanks for making this, its always great to get a breakdown of the golden demon entries from a painter of your caliber
@ghostoflazlo 2 ай бұрын
That's the thing, why doesn't people watch the video? If they get all the info they think they need from just the thumbnail then I would say THEY'RE the problem, not travarion
@Maximilian4th 2 ай бұрын
WARRRRR!!!!!!
@RavenCodex 2 ай бұрын
It matters to me that its AI.. and because of that it shouldnt have been on the the table in any position.
@Dstinct 2 ай бұрын
To me the printed background matters about as much as using transfers. Its a shortcut. But its also 1 part. The water on the base and painting looking much better than the other ones. They also sculpted 3d vines onto the flat background to give it a bit of a shadowbox look. The model itself is about the same.
@joesheridan9451 2 ай бұрын
AI art is literally art theft and you think that’s ok to use in an art competition?
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