Air compressor : REALLY effective sound reduction modification : soundmeter results

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michaelovitch

michaelovitch

7 жыл бұрын

The MOD here : • Air compressor : REALL...
Quite effective,you can have a conversation next to it without having to speak louder,and it's way less annoying when you work with it : )
Thank you to Michael Langley on KZfaq for the idea.
My brother helped me with a serious and calibrated sonometer from his job : )

Пікірлер: 56
@39knights
@39knights 5 жыл бұрын
In this case hearing is believing. It's great that he went to the trouble to get a sonometer but the earwitness accounts are a better measure of the effectiveness of the mod. :-)
@7eventhghost
@7eventhghost 7 жыл бұрын
That's a very good sound reduction upgrade. Thanks for sharing your idea.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! : )
@Darek80
@Darek80 7 жыл бұрын
Result around 5dB. Works !
@haydenc2742
@haydenc2742 7 жыл бұрын
3dB is effectively cutting the sound "intensity" by half!!!! Awesome!
@Inspironator
@Inspironator 7 жыл бұрын
Great work. The sound energy was reduced to about 35 percent of factory. I did a simular modification using a plastic kitchen container, a pipe nipple as an adapter and a twice as big as factory air filter. I believe we have similar results. It is still to noisy in my opinion, but tolerable. I then built a silent air compressor f2ffor situations where I don't need so much flow at high pressuere with a high usage cycle. So each has their advantages and applications (powering air tools vs tire filling).
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
Tolerable is what i thought too on the results i got. The intake are really cheaply made,and engineered. It's quite sad,because this thing is a an air pump with a steady rpm,they could adjust everything to have a silent,very effective pump.using sound waves,pulses,resonance,and all those cool things : )
@djmips
@djmips 7 жыл бұрын
There is a quiet air compressor on the market that uses two pistons. California air tools.
@donsmith9081
@donsmith9081 2 жыл бұрын
@@djmips For how expensive that company is they have a shitty warranty
@roushhawley8438
@roushhawley8438 7 жыл бұрын
even though 5db doesn't seem like a lot, remember the db scale is a logarithmic scale not a linear scale.
@roushhawley8438
@roushhawley8438 6 жыл бұрын
if it were linear 5 db would actually be 50. because 2db is 10 times louder than 1 db. that is how they bade the scale.
@SupFromCz
@SupFromCz 5 жыл бұрын
@@roushhawley8438 No! Is logaritmic scale 1db=1 , 10db=10x, 20db=100x, 30db= 1000x.
@lunchie80
@lunchie80 4 жыл бұрын
Decibels refers to air pressure in absolute terms. It does NOT directly relate to human hearing. However a good rule of thumb is 10db SOUNDS half as loud to a human(frequency dependent as we are far less sensitive to low frequencies)
@LBCAndrew
@LBCAndrew 4 жыл бұрын
ive found that welding a lawnmower muffler onto the intake and attaching a small K&N valve cover filter to that works wonders.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 4 жыл бұрын
It's the same idea yes,muffling sounds.
@jaggass
@jaggass 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers michaelovitch.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
: )
@dhc4ever
@dhc4ever 6 жыл бұрын
from 5:27 I was waiting for David Attenbourgh to start narrating.... nice modification
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you : ) His voice is prretty cool : )
@ArnoldsDesign
@ArnoldsDesign 6 жыл бұрын
Your noise reduction is impressive. I just did a mod similar to this on my compressor. But instead of removing my filters, I left them on, and attached hoses from the air filter inlet tubes to a muffler on the floor. According to a noise meter app for my phone, I was getting an average 4 db reduction, but it didn't do anything for valve noise, which is considerable. I don't really think the phone mic is accurate enough for the low frequencies my compressor puts out. Have you tried connecting the hoses right from the air filter tubes instead of removing the air filters?
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 6 жыл бұрын
I tried first to connect a Y fitting and join the two intakes to a common pipe first : no real benefit. I removed the stock air filtration ,but replaced it by a car air filter : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdh7dZCozNiomaM.html It's way more effective for sound reduction,and filtration, and act as a muffler. The shortest are the pipes going to the intake ,the less you have loss in air quantity,by friction, in the pipes. So i tried to limitate pipes length at the maximum,and got a very efficient filter compared to what it was. I watched your video,and what you did is working well too. To reduce even more the noise,you could get a complete car intake,wich is made of soft material compared to the metal boxes where your filters are. The metal conduct sounds,and vibrations,way more than the car intakes wich are designed to reduce a lot of induction noise. The key in sound reduction is to limitate vibration of your machine components themselves (so all the thin metallic plates,the cooling fins etc) ,and to cancel sound waves by not allowing them to travel out of the orifices by directing them in dead ends,or turning them against themselves. My brother have a yamaha 600 xt and there are rubber pads between the cooling fins on the engine head to reduce vibrations....it's an air cooled engine.
@ArnoldsDesign
@ArnoldsDesign 6 жыл бұрын
I talked for a bit in my original video about the filter cans possibly being a source of noise, since as you said, the flat metal covers could act like a sound radiating surface. I edited that part out because of time constraints. I hate having to do that, but I've found so many viewers get bored quickly and switch to a different video. I will remove the filters and see how much more sound reduction I get. Too bad I can't put a filter in the muffler because it does work well. An intake air box I guess would be the only other option.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 6 жыл бұрын
Don't remove what YOU think is boring from your vids,it's your reflexion,your work,your creativity. Just try to get things interesting,your way. You should try to remove the whole filter assembly/housing : it's this whole part wich is vibrating and amplifying the noise like a membrane.
@ArnoldsDesign
@ArnoldsDesign 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the wisdom. I will also try the filter housing removal.
@mrtechnophile3483
@mrtechnophile3483 6 жыл бұрын
The tank may be ringing / resonating too; probably don't want to cover the whole tank (cooling) but could try putting undercoating on portions of it.
@allthings2allmen
@allthings2allmen 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry friend,I didnt see this before just noticed it...cool works & if your saisfied yer good ta go in my book there pardner!
@nauroticdax
@nauroticdax 4 жыл бұрын
i didnt see in the first video if you already did this but maybe add thick rubber grommets/feet to all the fixtures and contact surfaces could probbably knock another 2-3db off that
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 4 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea yes. The tank is a big vibrating piece,it wouldn't hurt to do that.
@bobuk5722
@bobuk5722 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the human perception of loudness is also logarithmic so reducing the sound power level by 3 dB does not make it seem to be half as loud. Any reduction is of course good and frays the nerves slightly less. Ear protectors are a very good idea. Exposure to high sound levels damages hearing by destroying very delicate hairs on nerve endings in the inner ear. They do not grow back,
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks : )
@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301
@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 10 ай бұрын
did you ever try both systems in place (dual silencer plus car filter box)?
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 10 ай бұрын
Both at the same time ? No,didn't try,the air flow would suffer from it,that's would be quite some restriction,that's why i didn't even thought about it.
@BearsTraining
@BearsTraining 7 жыл бұрын
Bonjour, posez le compresseur sur un tapis absorbant, ça fonctionnera encore mieux, merci pour l'idée !
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
Bonjour,oui ça aiderait,merci : )
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 7 жыл бұрын
Yep there is a difference, but for us strange humans with our biased hearing it's less annoying :-). The lower frequency chug or thud is much lower :-D. The noise of the head to tank pressure being vented is loud, but it's very short, and it works otherwise the motor would pop a fuse when starting. My frend has a large compressor with a torpedo tank, it spikes at 20 amps at start, it sometimes knocks the house breaker out, well our sockets are only designed for 13 amps lol :-D, he is a bad lad ;-D.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
I will try to use a piece of hose with some foam stuffed in it to reduce the vent noise : ) 20 amps ? Is the wire big enough ? we have 16 and 20 amps breakers here for 2.5 mm² wiring. I think the max is 32 but with 4mm² wiring. I know when mine is starting,the lights in the house make weird things lol
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 7 жыл бұрын
ha ha yes im sure the lights do have a dance :-D. I think my frends compressor is not really for the house supply, it must be industrial. Although i see no reason why it cant be connected to the electric cooker outlet, plenty of amperes there :). It's better once warm, the spike of startup current is lower. The pressure release valve that's connected to the tank/head is working ok, so it should not struggle at start up.
@martinchabot_FR
@martinchabot_FR 7 жыл бұрын
That's why there is two decibel scale: C which is linear and treat all frequencies the same way, and A which is more in line with psychoacoustic response of human ear. So when comparing noise with different spectral densities, it should be done with A scale, not C like here.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
Correct. But as i understood thanks to your remark,after research, on those scales and filters,it's far from being accurate as simple strict measurment. humans ears are physilogicals tools,and the owner have his own perception of a sound,whatever it is. A tool trying to use those complex factors as part of its measuring work with the use of filters is not completly objective (i think) a simpler more objective data is more appropriate at my low level of experimentation : ) it's just my opinion ,and i have really limited knowledge about sound. Thank you for your comment,i've learned something.
@mikelittle2483
@mikelittle2483 7 жыл бұрын
I love my wife she good to me we will be ha ppy if no one like it I don't give a fuck so hope you get the picture
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 5 жыл бұрын
The indicated -5db would seem to be a sound energy reduction of ~44% Unfortunately, that meter doesn't measure total sound energy; it doesn't measure to the ultrasonic and isn't linear with frequency, but id band limited and weighted to favor low frequencies, simulating perceived energy. Human hearing is most sensitive around 1KHz and declines above and below, and hearing is damaged by actual total sound energy, not perceived. Observations: The perceived lower frequencies were attenuated, but not the upper, and the actual reduction in energy was not measured.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 5 жыл бұрын
As i know infra and ultra sonic aren't even detected by the human ears wich work between 20 hz to 20 000 hz at most. So,why those frequencies and sound energy would be a problem for our ears ,except to generate vibrations to the other objects around ,and produce other sounds eventually ?
@daddywoofdawg
@daddywoofdawg 7 жыл бұрын
about 4 db
@bruceaugustine6486
@bruceaugustine6486 5 жыл бұрын
so a 6.3 dbl difference
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 5 жыл бұрын
Yes,a good honest 6 db,wich is quite a lot in person : )
@dlwatib
@dlwatib 7 жыл бұрын
This does not qualify as "REALLY effective sound reduction". It's effective, in that it reduces from the theoretical noise of two 81 db machines running side by side down to one, but you've still got a noisy 81 db air compressor and that means you should still consider wearing hearing protection around it. (OSHA labels anything above 80 db as "discomfort level".) What "REALLY effective sound reduction" means is cutting the db measurement in half, so 81 down to about 40.5. This would put your air compressor in the range of a refrigerator. Not coincidentally, there are people who have replaced the compressor on their air tank with one from a refrigerator and gotten the desired sound reduction.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
A bit more than 4db with just an airbox and two hose is what i call effective. 81 db is low,you can talk next to it now without problems,it sway less stress. Using a fridge compressor is okay to fill up you bicycle tires,but very far from what this thing can do,like using a paint gun without problems,filling up 4 tires in a row etc...without waiting 10 minutes for it to fill up. Air flow is often way more important than pressure for standard use.
@super-z8943
@super-z8943 2 жыл бұрын
You do not know anything. Zero knowledge. Half loudless ( perceived by humans) of 81dB is 71dB, not 40.5dB, lol. For humans, +10dB is twice louder. At lower frequencies above 90dB levels, +5dB seems twice louder. Do you understand logarithmic scale?
@Thumbs0311
@Thumbs0311 7 жыл бұрын
While that's a cool concept and am awesome build. 5db just isn't worth it
@stefanocrespi5424
@stefanocrespi5424 7 жыл бұрын
You know that decibel is a logarithmic unit, right?
@Thumbs0311
@Thumbs0311 7 жыл бұрын
Stefano Crespi are we talking about the same thing? To quiet it down that little isnt worth an afternoon of drilling and modifying a compressor. Build a small box with eggcrate foam inside of it to reduce the noise you hear better than all this bs.
@michaelovitch
@michaelovitch 7 жыл бұрын
With the crappy equipment i have it took few hours,on the floor. you can do it in one hour,in a shop. You would be surprised how huge 4 dB are in real life for this thing.(4db at 2 meters...)
@Azathoth43
@Azathoth43 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone was easy on you because it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. How do we know you don't know what you're talking about? You implied 5db isn't effective then suggested egg crate foam. That egg crate foam has nearly 0 acoustic properties.
@crpth1
@crpth1 5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelovitch- The sound reduction is quite impressive. But from the comments I would dare to say that most, you included, forget another benefit of this mod. Life expectancy of the equipment. ;-) I did similar long time ago on my compressor installed inside my workshop. Where I do a lot of mechanical, metal and even carpentry work. Over a short period in time you´ll be able to notice the huge amount of particles captured by the air filter. Meaning those particles didn´t went into the compressor. I ruffly estimate adding a few hundreds hours to the life of my cheap Chinese made compressor. 6 years have gone by and it¨s still running strong. ;-) Cheers
Silence your air compressor CHEAP!
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