Thank you very much Luthor - I wished I was wearing this vest when I crashed with a mountain bike last year 😉 it would have greatly reduced the injuries I took away- ride safe 👍

same here I hope I will never need it like that - the airbag vest is the second most important safety gear right after the crash helmet in my opinion - at least for all the vital organs ;-)

@@MotoVibes I’m too old to worry about my other vital organ 😝🍆

One of the best features is the easy self-maintenance of this vest for sure. I don't understand why the competitors cannot do it.

Right on! Same here - I hope I will never need it but it is good to know that the electronics seem to work quite well and it is so incredibly fast too - the airbag was fully inflated before the wheels touched the ground again (as far as I can tell at least).

It seems to be catching on but slowly - I am not really into making safety gear mandatory though. There might be other equipment better suited for a particular rider and there so many other factors that influence a rider's safety - gear is just your last resort safety net if everything else failed 😉

I absolutely agree -the vest did exactly what is was supposed to do. I am surprised I got that far into the trip. I started to forget I even had it on. If I am in the enduro park I have a completly separate set of armor and a Leatt neckbrace. It allows me to wear a jersey when it gets hot like shown in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8mWg9tmzJa-g6s.html As I usally travel quite a bit when I go off-road touring I do not want to bring 2 sets of armor to keep the luggage light. Also, the neckbrace does not work with the jacket I have - should have thought of that before I bought it ;-)

Yeah - lots of video material pilling up - However, I just finished another 50 min video of my last visit to the enduro action team. The Sardinia and Corsica are next but it will be a while now

Glad it was helpful - thank you very much for your feedback - cheers, Oliver

Glad the topic hits home for you! Hope this will help you make your descision. The ACT Spain is high in my list as well - maybe for next year.

@@MotoVibes You did the same with quite a few other topics too:). I can think for at least 3 other occasions :)

@@OTWW thank you very much - that is good to know ;-)

Thank you very much. I would rather go bigger than smaller so you can have space for mid layers during the colder season. In the end it depends how heavy your riding jacket is - I am 180cm /5’11” at 85kg and the L size worked well over a Klim Badlands jacket - I hope this helps 😉 Oliver

For adventure or off-road riding?!

Well, the lanyard is quite restrictive when moving on the bike - even if ridden just on pavement. You would have to set the length of the lanyard long enough that it would not be much of a hindrance but that literally increase the release time of the airbag vest. Having owned both - the mechanical and the electronic vest - I don't think the mechanical release is the way to go. The only real option at the moment is the in&motion airbag (yes, the one with the subscription option) that offers (at extra costs) an "adventure mode" - it is an electronic vest as well and the Adventure Mode will prevent the vest from inflating if you just fall of the bike near stand still (which is what happens to me most of the time). I have no real life experience with the vest so I ordered the Klim version of this vest for this year and I will give it a try. My biggest concern is that the Klim (in&motion) airbag could get too warm as it is worn under the Jacket and it creates another thermal layer and restricts airflow even when worn with a well ventilated Jacket like the Klim Badlands. I am sure I will do a video on how this vest will work once I have had enough time to test it. cheers, Oliver

​@@MotoVibes Interesting. You're one of the few riders with videos comparing pros / cons of airbags from an adventure rider prespective. Looking forward to seeing what your thoughts are between Klim AI-1 and the Helite. Thanks Oliver... Kam

​@@MotoVibes You should see if Alpinestars is willing to send you their airbag ( Tech Air-5 ) to test. Comparison of all top three airbags on market. The Alpinestars Tech Air looks like tremendous coverage over shoulders and ribs. Kam

@@greatfallskam the Alpinestars airbag is technically quite interesting- however- the deal breaker for me is that once the airbag inflated it needs to be send to the manufacturer for cartridge replacement. I have triggered my airbags 3 times until now and every time the airbag was ok for further use - so being able to change the cartridge is a must have for me

I have had the Klim vest all of last season and it is currently the best airbag for adventure riding- it can get a bit warm when riding in warm conditions but I will keep the Klim airbag for now kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLCfkspz06jIYn0.html btw I love F9 content but i do not agree with Ryan’s assessment on electronic airbag vests - I have had the airbag vests until now and the electronic airbag vests are definitely the way to go in my opinion 😉

@@MotoVibes Saw the video, but there seems to be a lot of issues with subscription, paying for modes and repackaging after crash and closest klim store is like 300+ km away

@@burkaanc not really. You can get the airbag ready to go in 2 min if you bring an extra cartridge. Just like for the Helite vest. I have crashed with the Klim at low speeds and it did not falsely deploy just as it should in „adventure“ mode but I have the replacement cartridge with me just in case

I opted for the subscription which I can convert into a full purchase after 3 years. In the end it comes out to about the same costs as buying a Helite vest

@@MotoVibes I am still weighing my options, but was very close to getting the Klim a while back. At first I thought I'd prefer under the jacket, but now I am coming around to outside. For one thing, I have a Klim Latitude and it fits me well. Not too baggy, not too tight and I think the vest under would feel constricting. With the Helite, it is easy enough to take the vest off if on a longer break but still keep my jacket on if I want to. Also, when I was about to pull the trigger on the klim, canisters were sold out everywhere. Seem to be in stock now though. If I go with the Helite I am still trying to decide between tethered or electronic...

Thank you very much 😉 I heard of Baja from friends in California- they have been trying to get me there some say 😉 maybe one of these days but it’s quite far and expensive for me. The Klim airbag is better for light off-road riding. Video is coming in 6 hours 😉

No I did not for this trip 😉

Interesting product and good to see that there is more progress in the airbag market especially with off-road tailored products. This seems to be just for off-road/ enduro riding. As my riding still has large proportions of road riding I may not be the best target group. I would be thrilled to test it out if Helite would send me one for testing but I don’t think I will be buying one this season - it’s not cheap I agree but it does have dual catridges as required by Dakar - the cartridge price is OK. In&Motion cartridges are more than 100 Euros 😉 the integrated hydration option is great 👍

Very interessting idea to combine the two! Especially since the Dainese airbag does not provide the neckbrace functionality. So, do you ride dirt tracks with this combination? How is your experience?

It fits perfectly, I can turn my head in any direction. Tried it also while standing and it feels good. I did not use it in real life, thankfully, and not keen on making this experience 😅. But I can imagine that while the Airbag deploys, it will also stabilize the neckbrace, or bring it into the right position to protect the head as it should. Would recommend it..

Here are the reasons why I prefer the electronic version over the mechanical kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKylkrmJt5zDe3U.html

You need to move freely while riding off-road including switching from sitting to standing- you would have the tether so long that you extend the release time - also the tether will always be annoying. For off-road the only option is electronic- have a look at the In&Motion or Alpinestars vests as well. The only vest with a dedicated off-road mode is the in&motion vest for now. I just bought the Klim airbag vest with the in&motion technology to test for this season 😉

@@MotoVibes Thank you for your explanation. Based on your suggestion, I also looked at the Klim airbag. It looks quite good. With that one, you need to wear it inside a jacket. Will it be a bit hot (un-comfortable) to wear? I like Helite's turtle vest that you wear outside the jacket. Hopefully, they can add an offroad mode. Based on your experience, which one is more comfortable to wear? Thanks you.

@@XYang2023 I have only tried on the KLIM vest under my KLIM Jacket and it is comfortable. I have not ridden it on the bike - especially not in hot weather or when I am riding challenging off-road conditions. I am also concerned about the additional layer of insulation and that it may get to hot. Even with an off-road mode the Helite vest would not be good for off-road riding in its current design. The "rear" of the airbag vest hits the back of the neck while riding for a long time in the standing position. I rode like for many days but it is slightly annoying. For onroad riding the Helite is still hard to beat but for a mix of off-road and onroad the KLIM airbag may be better - I will let you know once I have some riding experience with it ;-)

@@MotoVibes Thank you.

Thank you very much - at least they are in the price range of a good helmet nowadays - the early airbags were 2-3 times that much. I don't see them getting a whole lot cheaper than this to be honest but I hoping to see "adventure ready" (street & light off-road use) design one of these days.

Oh no - sorry to hear that. Most important thing that you did not get hurt any worse - 2 broken ribs are bad enough! The Helite vest will provide some protection of the ribs - front and back. The sides are still open - so there is 100% coverage for every crash scenario but there are huge difference in the different airbag models that are on the market - no other airbag vest provides better protection than the Helite Turtle design.

@@MotoVibes Absolutely, fortunately its all going to heal with time. No bent joints or anything. So far the Helite Turtle looks like my favorite too. Can you tell if it gets much warmer under it? I will also have to look for new clothing, so maybe I'll look for something with more ventilation. In any case I will to order a protector shirt with at least some coverage of the ribs as well. My thought is that the combination should be much safer next time I encounter loose gravel in a corner and my front tyre flips...

@@MotoVibes So I got the e-Turtle with fork sensor due to your videos and infos (thanks again!!) and the great guys at Helite. Did you disconnect the fork sensor pairing during gravel/dirt road riding?

@@chilly243 thank you very much- I did not have my fork sensor installed on the ACT italy- my battery died early and I had to send the sensor to Helite anyway 😉

@@MotoVibesI just ordered my E-Turtle Helite vest here in North America. I inquired about the front fork sensor but was told it was not available at this time. Are there problems with it?

Vielen Dank Thomas -gut zu wissen! Hast Du sie schon mal im Gelände ausprobiert?

@@MotoVibes ja, auch mit etwas springen… was man halt ohne schlechtes Gewissen mit der dicken Kuh machen kann… bis jetzt hat sie nur beim stürzen ausgelöst…

Fürs off-road fahren ist die Helite e-turtle eher nichts. Nicht nur weil sie fehl-auslösen kann wie in diesem Video, sondern auch weil sie nicht besonders bequem ist beim fahren wenn man lange Zeit steht. Ich hab mir jetzt eine Klim Airbagweste bestellt für 2023 da sie denn Adventure Mode hat und auch nicht so stark in den Nacken drückt beim fahren im Stehen. Nachteil ist dass die Klim ( in&motion) zu warm sein könnte, da sie unter der Jacke getragen wird. Zudem kommt das Abo Modell was auf lange Zeit zusätzlich kosten könnte. Es gibt allerdings die Option eines Kaufs - auch nach 3 Jahren noch - was die Klim dann wieder vergleichbar macht mit der Helite in puncto Preis. Der Adventure Mode bleibt dann allerdings als Abo Modell mit 25 Euro im Jahr 😬. Erfahrungen werde ich dann posten sobald ich eine Weile die Klim Weste gefahren bin. Hoffe das hilft 😉

@@MotoVibes Danke für das Feedback. Bin mal auf den Bericht zur Klim gespannt. Das Abo ist da eigentlich ein Dealbreaker. Die Ersatzkartuschen kosten, was ich gelesen habe, auch ne ganze Stange mehr 💰. ✌🏻

@@derlude5673 das mit dem Abo war für mich bisher auch ein Deal Breaker - Vor allem was da jährlich zusammen kommt. Es gibt jedoch eine Kaufoption von Anfang an und eine nachdem man 3 Jahre das Abo bezahlt hat ist ein wandeln in einen Kauf möglich (gegen Gebühr natürlich). Ich werde mich für das Abo entscheiden- falls mir die Airbagweste nach einem Jahr doch nicht taugt fallen eben auch nur fürs erste Jahr die Kosten an. Es kann also auch seine Vorteile haben. Das Haupthema bei der Klim Airbagweste wird die zusätzliche Wärmeisolierung sein. Meine Klim Badlands Jacke hat zwar viele Lüftungsöffnungen aber es wird deutlich weniger Kühlung ankommen mit der Weste als ohne. Da ist die Helite e-Turtle die locker über der Jacke getragen wird weniger einschränkend in Bezug auf was an Kühlung ankommt. Bin also gespannt bei welchen Temperaturen die Klim Airbagweste nicht mehr zu tragen ist und dann an den Tagen ins Gepäck wandern muss (und damit der Schutz entfällt). Die Helite funktioniert bei mir noch bis 35 Grad.

The good thing about Helite is the simple replacement of the cartridge after the airbag deployed. Especially on the tethered vest that is a very cheap replacement. As I am riding in the standing up position and I move around a lot the tethered vest is not that great (I had the tether before) for 2 reasons - first you need to set the tether really long which extense the the release time in the sitting down position (the tether is too long) and secondly even when set to very long it is still noticable. If Helite would provide different riding modes on this vest and improve the comfort for riding in the standing-up position this would be perfect for me - maybe add in the option for a hydration pack for good measure 😉

@@MotoVibes Nice to see this comment and give us the opportunity to give you more information 😉 The In&motion airbag system is fully autonomous (no tether, no sensor on the bike) so you don't have any issue when you're moving around the bike or you when you want to ride in the standing-up positiion 😊 We offer three detection mode : road, track and... off-road! This detection mode is based on our experience from the Dakar, where we provide the airbag system to 50 motorcycle riders since three years now. The settings of this detection mode differ from Street mode to adapt to “Off-road” type use with more vibrations, situations of limited grip, light jumps while integrating loss of balance at low speed not causing the need for inflation. Falls are part of the off-road practice. It is important to inflate when necessary and not to inflate on all falls (falling when stopped, loss of balance, etc.). The airbag is triggered if the fall requires inflation. And if you crash and the airbag deploys, don't worry, you can replace the canister (called Inflator) by yourself in 2 minutes, without any tool 😊 I see you're wearing a KLIM vest, don't hesitate to try the KLIM Ai-1 airbag, or its Rally version (with D3O chest protector, holomolated for Dakar Rally). You can wear this airbag under your vest, so you will no longer have comfort issues with your hydratation bag 😉 Hope to see a complete test of the In&motion technology on your channel soon ✌

Hey - thank you very much for providing the addtional information on your product and it is great to see manufacturers like you finding this type of content on KZfaq. The off-road option for adventure riders is indeed a very interesting feature for us adventure riders (that ride off-road and paved roads). Also, I did not know about the latest KLIM product the KLIM AI-1 RALLY AIRBAG VEST which seems to address one of the key issues with airbag vest which are worn under the riding jacket for hot weather riding: the ventilation - very interesting indeed. 👍 I would be very keen to test out your product in the upcoming season - maybe we can collaborate on this and work something out so I can test your product 😉 best wishes, Oliver

@@MotoVibes we can plan a test of the KLIM airbag (classic or rally version) 👍 Feel free to contact us (Facebook or Instagram) if you want to test it during the next season 🙂

@@inmotion1661Using the Klim Inmotion airbag vest there is a monthly subscription fee that must be paid in addition to the initial air bag vest cost, correct? With the Helite vest there is no subscription fee.

It’s a light weight Camelbag - it’s meant for running

Gut zu sehen, dass sich da was auf dem Markt tut - wäre schön eine "Adventure" Airbagweste zu sehen - die sowohl auf der Straße als auch im Gelände funktioniert - quasi wie unsere Reiseenduros

@@MotoVibes die entsprechenden Produkte von Alpinestars und Helite scheinen ab sofort verfügbar zu sein.

@@thomaswurster7040 vielen Dank für die Info. Schau ich mir gleich mal an 😉

check out this vid for more info kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obSSZ6akmL-of40.html

This is a lightweigt Camelbak which is meant for running or maybe cycling - there are cheaper versions all over Amazon if you just want to try it out. I have a hydration pack from LEATT which is a bit more robust but I felt I needed something lighter as the hydration pack was sitting on top of the airbag vest. I don't really like carrying much over my shoulders but it is really good to bring water even when I am just riding on pavement.

@@MotoVibes Thanks for your insight . How did you attached it on the vest ?

I did not attach the hydration pack to the vest - its just like a backpack sitting on top of the vest - with a little slack so that it does not get in the way when the airbag deploys.

@@MotoVibes Thanks for all the infos , very appreciated .

@@alainbrouillette7740 no problem - I am happy to help

Good to know others are testing the limits of their airbag vests too 😉 There is little to no information out there that would inform us how these airbags will do for "adventure riding" (light off-road with a heavy bike). I would assume Alpinestars airbag system is quite advanced too - I mean they supply the Dakar Rally with airbags - they should know what they are doing. It would be great to see them implement some sort of "self maintenance" in case the airbag deploys - having to send in an airbag for recharge seems like a unnessary hassle

@@MotoVibes yup, actually astars states it can be used for “light off-road” and in the instructions manual they clarify what they mean (this much downhill % slope, this tall steps and so on). As you said the testing they are doing at Dakar might actually, eventually provide them with a reliable enough software for us mere mortals too. As for the “self maintenance” I really do not get my hopes too high… is such a nice revenue for Astars and they can justify it under the name of safety and care… it doesn’t get any better than that (asking 150 euro to replace a 10 euro worth cartridge) 😉😅

@@scldma114 I guess you are right - good source of income but a huge inconvinience for the user - still better than the subscription model some use just to run the airbag - business practices like that are just beyond me.

@@MotoVibes yeah agree 100% 👍🏻

Sehr interessant - ich hab mir das gleich mal angeschaut auf der Website. Ich hoffe die anderen incl. Helite bringen so etwas demnächst auch. Bin nur überhaupt kein Freund von diesem Abo-Modell - das macht für mich auch keinen Sinn für Sicherheitskleidung.

@@MotoVibes ja, ich mag das Abo auch nicht, aber vor 2,5 Jahren gab es nur dieses System oder Reißleine🙄 da gab's auch nicht das Pendant von Held/Klim...mit dem Abo bekommst du wenigstens immer Updates und wenn die Elektronik Box defekt geht, eine Neue. Man kann das Abo auch für max. 4Monate Stillegen, dann 4€/Monat. Bin im Januar auf Jahresabo umgestiegen, dann habe ich nicht das Problem mit dem Aussetzen...Inzwischen gibt's es viele andere Lösungen 😉

@@chrisd3394 Das mit den Updates ist natürlich nicht schlecht - aber ich frag ob das in Summe mehr Kunden bringt als es abschreckt. Anyway - das wichtigste ist, dass Du gut geschützt unterwegs bist und falls der Airbag mal zum Einsatz kommt und Dich vor schlimmeren bewahrt ist es egal wieviel es gekostet hat oder ob es über ein Abo lief oder nicht. Allzeit gute Fahrt 😉

indeed - they need to make these in white color 🤪

Helite never meant for this vest to be used like this. The only vest right now that offers an „adventure“ mode for road conditions like this is the in&motion design which sold by Klim, Held and others.

btw - I just received my KLIM Airbag vest - I will see how I get along with this airbag vest this season as I intend to ride some off-road tracks again

now I know what it feels like to have an unplanned release of the airbag vest. I did ride more off-road with it in Sardinia and Corsica but avoided any sudden upward motion 😉