It's interesting how you mentioned the artbook and mementos report but didn't mention Maniax from 2016 where devs directly said 'He is another “chosen one” who received the same Wildcard ability as MC'

For the reason that akechi doesn't have the ability to access any more personas than his 2, i think it's because he doesnt have any bonds like joker does. In persona 4, adachi was given the same power as yu, but it's mentioned that he doesnt have yu's full power because he was isolated from other people. So, if we say the same for akechi, this explains why he only has 2. Even the people like sae who take an interest in him never really get to know him truly so he can't have true bonds with them like joker does, and therefore can't summon personas of different arcanas (representing other people's ideas)

I thought it was pretty obvious that Akechi was a Wild Card but kept from his potential by Yaldaboth. He was locked out of the Velvet Room and was unable to utilize the tools he had. Even if he did form bonds early on, it wouldn't have helped him so he probably saw no use for it. (He had been using his powers for 2 years by the time we started our journey). However, I disagree about his persona's being fake. I'm pretty sure it mentions multiple times in Persona 5 that the persona is a person's "true" self. And that is represented by having to brutally rip the mask you wear to society off your face to summon it for the first time. On the other hand, I don't believe Futaba is correct either. I think that Robin Hood is a representation of Akechi wanting to strive for justice, by his own morals. (People often forget that Robin Hood was an outlaw. A common man and thief who stole and killed. Just because he had morals doesn't make him a paragon). Loki would then represent his trickery. There is many MANY scholarly debate about Loki (no one has been able to pin down what he is even the God of since there aren't any record of how he was worshipped) but he is commonly referred to as the TRICKSTER God. Loki would give him the strength to trick and fool those in power and still come out on top in the end. (As his Norse myths suggest) Obviously I'm a huge fan of Goro Akechi. I have a lot of thoughts on him so thanks for doing this video!

"I learned something about Loki-" Me: "It was the horse banging wasn't it?" "Loki turned into a horse-" Me: "It's always Sleipnir"

I believe at the end of the day, Robin Hood was supposed to be the representation of his public self, the "Ace Detective" whereas, Loki was the embodiment of his true self, a liar, traitor, and a trickster. These two personas were born from his hate and need for revenge. It had been stated by Lavenza in the games that because he could not form any bonds with others, a lock was put on his heart

My personal theory has always been Akechi had the wild card, but always killed all of the shadows instead of negotiating with them, so he only had his two original personas.

The way I always thought about it is that Akechi is the fool arcana of his own journey and Joker represents the justice arcana for him. In Persona 4, Loki was of the fool arcana, so that could suggest that it's Akechi's original persona. Robin Hood would then be born from his social link with Joker, the justice arcana. As for his link with Sae, it could be possible that Akechi didn't like her, but there's not really much to support that idea.

My theory had always been that Akechi's 3rd tier persona in Royal, Hereward, was his true persona all along. You mentioned in the video that P-Studio confirmed that both Robin Hood and Loki are aspects of Akechi. But what I always found so interesting about that Q&A was how its wording implies that he may have awakened to both Robin Hood and Loki at the same time. But if Hereward is his true persona, why did he split into Robin Hood and Loki? I don't know the concrete answer to that, but I think it may have been the result of either his upbringing, interference from Yaldabaoth, or perhaps a bit of both. Whatever it was, it may be similar to Yaldy forcibly splitting Lavenza apart into the twins, and the two of them thus forgetting what the true purpose of rehabilitation is. It's almost like a distortion in how Akechi chooses to understand his own will of rebellion, which could explain why he was stuck with two personas. And it probably would remain that way until he figured out how to remove that distortion without tools from the Velvet Room. What I love most about this theory is how it potentially provides a more detailed explanation as to how Akechi, as a Wild Card, can become stuck with two personas. Similar to the twins' situation, both Robin Hood and Loki represent different parts of Akechi's will of rebellion, but when they're apart, they seem like total opposites. One desperately seeks praise and acceptance from others by being percieved as a hero of justice under societal standards. The other seeks freedom to the point of selfishly pursuing revenge without regard for the chaos it may leave behind. But when they fuse to become Hereward at the end of Royal, it brings both extremes to a middle ground that perfectly balances aspects of both. If Hereward was Akechi's true persona, he is honestly such a perfect fit for this theory. Hereward was said to have possibly been the real world inspiration behind the tales of Robin Hood, but he was also an exile who was both motivated by revenge against Norman conquerors for the death of his brother, and is also remembered as a legendary hero who rebelled for the freedom of his countrymen. His bond with Joker still plays a huge part in this of course, since it goes to show how important the 2/2 event is to Akechi for it to be the catalyst that finally brought his personas together. I also like to think that he unlocked his wild card potential after the fact. Unfortunately, there just wasn't much time nor opportunity for him or the other thieves to even realize that, since the final Maruki boss is the only time Hereward could even be used.

I think your analysis was really interesting I just wanted to add that joker technically also never signed the contract with Igor, since that happened while yaldabaoth was in control (which can also imply that he gave some form of contract to akechi, since they both were his “players”) Great video, keep it up!

finally actual interesting discussion about akechi's character with the rare no bias........ looking forward to more! akechi's one of the deepest persona characters with many facets to him and im glad people are recognizing that without getting all silly over whether they like him or not

Pretty sure all Velvet Room attendants can use multiple personas. It’s not just Elizabeth. Elizabeth is the only one that changes arcana to fool because she goes on a journey to save the MC from P3. It’s why she is a former attendant.

My theory about personas is that everyone is able to become a wild card, but every wild card needs to be a fool. We saw people switch personas, arcanas or just evolve their personas, so we know personas can change as long as the user changes. But most people are bound by their arcana, their personality, trying to better themselves without losing what makes them what they are (represented by a persona's final form). One must be a fool to follow a new path, to discard everything just so they could see it from a different view, to see *the world* on it's entirety. Everyone "can" be a fool but only some will actually choose to. Now Akechi would be something I would call a "fake" fool, he tried to throw away his path (arcana) but all he could do was fool himself into thinking he did. Awakening to two personas but still both of them being from the justice arcana. Even more so loki being the embodiment of his fakeness, summoning a "fool" persona just to fool himself, representing how he thinks he is walking two different paths but in actuality they are just the same wicked justice.

I would like to say in reference to persona q the way that the suppression of the wild card is worded implies that something is suppressing the wild cards but since there's more than one of them their powers combined and gave everyone a fraction of the wild cards power. The presence of multiple wild cards is not considered a factor towards them being weakened

Futaba's line always confused me because she said he might be a wild card but he's also using Loki who can just shape shift into Robin Hood so like is he really?

i'd love to hear what you think of the two cents i have got for you! i feel like something goes severely unnoticed - probably because of how cinematic and dramatic it looks but Akechi changing outfits mid battle during Shido's palace is no Wildcard feat. it's no one's feat or feature, besides his own. it's safe to assume that something entirely new is happening the only special thing about the wildcards realistically is - having access to diving into the sea of souls and obtaining pre-existing personas, non-unique to a person from p5 on out, Loki became Akechi's persona and inaccessible to fuse which means Loki isn't a part of the sea of souls anymore and is in fact a unique to a person persona i believe in two things 1) it isn't important to debate whether he is a wildcard because he stands out equally as unique among wildcards and persona users simply because of the fact that he changed metaverse outfits 2) Robin Hood and Loki to be just one persona, except they can, at akechi's will be reversed - arcana-wise! Robin Hood and Loki both pertain to the Justice Arcana their affinities/resistances interchange upon swap - as though one is upside down - one is weak to curse while blocking bless, the other is weak to bless while blocking curse everyone stays in one outfit throughout - and the reason for that continuity is, i believe, because they traverse the path of their predisposed upright arcana each arcana pertains to a fixated destiny, and on the way of realising said destiny we encounter hardship the mask/persona manifests a form, apt to the wearer's means through which they choose to face hardship in order to fulfill their destiny (aka, a person would have a vision of what they would like to realise in their life and the way the persona/mask ends up looking takes the appearance of what one believes will be a sufficient enough front to carry them to their goal) - whether it'd be threading the path of an arcana's 'upright' or 'reversed' - Akechi had founded a role for both, yet unlike a Fool, all pertain to his one singular destiny of Justice - i mean, at least on a meta level, he envies Joker for exactly this reason - his freedom reminds him of his inability to escape Justice's fate. he cannot stop himself from masquerading, he cannot accept himself for who he is whilst also seeking that acceptance from others nor can he let go of what has controlled him for the majority of his life - his unparalleled hatred for Shido. Akechi was truly powerless, and so were all the people around him who tried to save him

Now that i think about it i thinks its possible for someone can awaken to more than one persona at the start if you look back at P3 the MC awoke Orpheus and then Thanatos appeared due the connection with death and its implied that the Thanatos that Elizabeth has is the MC's so its not to much of a stretch

If only there was dialouge in thieves den about someone mentioning the horse story to akechi

That one insane theory off the pseudo wildcard reminds me of a particular wish I had for Persona 6 Basically, I've always liked Persona 3's aproach at persona evolution, having it relate yo how the characters react to moments related to them in the story, giving them the chance to have more plot relevance. But it is very nice to see your partners get new Personas from reaching level ten. So I thought, how about they got a second persona? One with maybe different affinities and kits, that gave those characters different use and referenced the struggles they went through in their social link with the main character

For the bonds being required to use more persona explanation, I think the game didn’t justify it well as Joker can fuse and use Personas from Arcanas that he hasn’t unlocked the confidant for yet

one thing i feel like is often misunderstood when it comes to figuring out the wild card is that the initial persona and ultimate persona of a non-wild cards are still different personas. as in, captain kidd doesn't _become_ seiten taisei, seiten taisei is a _new_ persona born from ryuji growing past beyond what kidd can alone represent. similarly, william isn't kidd and seiten taisei literally combining into a single entity, but ryuji reconciling the disparate parts of the two to form a more complete picture of himself this is why the investigation team summon their base personas in p4a - because they can just _do_ that. the parts of them that those personas represent are still floating around in their head, after all. the inability to use your party members' previous personas in the mainline games mostly just comes down to their personas being mechanically designed as linear increases in strength, so ... there's not exactly any reason for you to set ryuji back to kidd once he's awakened to his other personas in my mind, what the wild card truly grants when it comes to wielding multiple personas is the ease at which they're developed. persona 1 and 2 are always finnicky to consider, but even if the entire cast had access to the velvet room for developing personas beyond their first, that's also the _only_ way for them to do it. and the affinity system meant no one character could actually make use of every persona available to them, so i don't think any of them can be counted as wild cards. meanwhile, the first confirmed wild card slinks around tartarus for a bit, smacks some masked blobs around, and spontaneously has a fairy lady floating around in his head. even if a wild card _didn't_ have access to the velvet room, they'd likely still end up with quite the stock of personas in a short span of time - provided their heart is open enough to accept the differing perspectives that those personas are birthed from, unlike a certain slacker detective so, akechi's dual personas don't necessarily mean anything towards him having the wild card, they just reflect ... his dual personas. his nature is split between such extremes that a single persona isn't capable of representing it, so his persona ability drew out two personas without the typical preceding step of growing past the initial persona. chances are that such a thing, while definitely uncommon, probably ain't all that unique in the grand scheme of things, because there are a _lot_ of two-faced people in the world, and you can't always pull a rise and reconcile both faces into a single whole without losing something in the process. hell, even rise might not have completely managed it; himiko reveals a second form in p4au when rise can no longer rely on her friends to fight for her, so perhaps all her disparate selves don't all cleanly into her support mode. clearly, they come together better than robin hood and loki do, but when the manifestation of your acceptance of all of your faces suddenly takes on a previously unbeknownst face, well ... also, i'd like to bring up the idea that fool loki and justice loki aren't the same persona. i mean, they're spawned in entirely different mindscapes by people with entirely different personalities, so it'd be p. wild for their constituent parts to be exactly the same. there's a reason why, despite the _incredible_ array of personas each wild card has access to, the unique personas of their friends and other persona users? yeah, those are _at best_ locked behind bonus dlc. even if a wild card can use the experiences they share with others to manifest new facets of themselves with extreme ease, they can't truly mirror the people they're drawing from. experiences shared with others, after all, are still distinct from what those others experienced in the moment - not to mention everything else they've experienced without you. so not only is akechi's loki different from the loki that the protags can manifest in 3 and 4, but the loki those protags manifest would be distinct from another, too. likely far less distinct than the difference between them and akechi's loki, but the life experiences that those two compile into loki are _very_ different, so it'd only be natural for the results to be distinct entities that just so happen to be taking on the same archetype besides, many mythological figures are complex individuals themselves, displaying and nurturing a variety of personas throughout their mythos. even if the loki in 3 and 4 _are_ the same loki, that doesn't mean that there's only one loki to be drawn from the sea of souls. it could very well be that just as we as players hadn't seen that form of loki until akechi's reveal, then neither had the major powers in the persona universe witnessed the manifestation of that loki in a long, long while

Akechi is not a wild Card user, he is a different thing, and I can explain it. As you said, persona original meaning is mask, but the complete meaning refers to a mask used by an actor to make his voice reach the crowd. The way wild cards work is by basing their ability in the statement that people have different personalities (masks) that show to different people and in different situations, that’s what a wild card bases it’s power off, this can be supported by the fact that it’s easier to create deeper bonds with the arcana confidants if you have a persona of their same arcana, and that’s because you change your personality (mask) to be able to get closer to they. But, Akechi instead uses the theory of psychoanalysis created by Freud to show his personas (masks). The theory states that there are 3 layers of each individual: 1.-The Ego (the person): the rational part that adjust itself by taking in consideration the other 2 inner you and the social/legal rules of the society. This is the mask everyone shows to most people and in Akechi’s case is represented by a detective who is also a celebrity of a TV show and plays by the rules of society 2.-The Super Ego (the angel): this is the nexus between the Ego and the most pure you, the Super Ego creates your Ego based on your purest self and the morals you learn, yet, it also represents things that you crave and constantly search for in order to feel full filled as an individual and give some small hints to your true nature, Akechi represents it as a literal white prince who fights for justice and craves everybody’s attention (that desire is represented as robin hood) but its true self shows a bit from time to time in this form 3.-The Id (the devil): the purest you and also the most twisted you, it wants to full fill it’s most selfish and purest desires and needs by any mean, no matter what, it’s considered the reverse to the super ego and needs to be suppressed by it using the morals and consciousness and as a result of their interaction creates the Ego, in Akechi’s case is represented as the black mask, a being that is the contrary of the white prince and does anything to get the attention he craves, the attention he needs, it’s represented by Loki because the aesir god was usually related to mischief changing his shape and attitude constantly (this represents the connection between Ego and SuperEgo and why Akechi can change masks and his whole aspect) This also represents a criticism to society, and even Akechi asks you about the topic, and it’s what do you think that society really likes about the phantom thieves facing Medjed, and when you answer that the society finds it entertaining he says that it’s always the same, at the end it’s not about if it’s correct or not, but rather if society accepts it or craves it, society likes the entertainment and will always want to be on the winning side, Akechi knows that, and Yaldabaoth knows it too, that’s the whole point of persona 5, see if finally someone, a trickster can change the society’s hearts and minds, and see if they finally start thinking by themselves and what is correct, not what they desire. All of that makes me think that Akechi’s ability is nothing like a wild card, but a different ability created by Yaldabaoth based in the way it believed humankind behave and was really inside (Sorry if my English it’s a bit crappy, its not my main language, anyways, hope you read what I think and give me your opinions)

A better retcon for me if Akechi would be a forced Shadow User by Yaldaboath instead of a WildCard Persona User. Maybe even apply the Pirates of the Carribean's Davy Jones' logic of "Part of the Ship, Part of the Crew." To give a way for Akechi to be able to gain other Shadows within Shido's palace.

Hello, I’d like to add that something, In chapter 29 of the person 4 manga Yusuke evolves his persona into Jiraiya and it never changes which shows us that to even change your persona back into Pallidion or Robinhood you would likely need the power of the wildcard to do so. My point being that the only two speculated wild card users Aegis and Akechi are also the only ones that can switch back and fourth unlike someone like Yosuke in the manga

I like to think that if he is in fact a wild-card that as we progressed his Confidant we go up in his by which I mean the reason Akechi is the Justice Arcana for us, is that he's standing for his own Justice not for the justice that we personally as Joker and the Phantom thieves is a whole believe in. so with that understanding it would make sense if the inverse is also correct;if he has the ability to create contracts between confidants then that would mean that joker is his Justice or standing equivalent

I never really thought on why akechi was a wild card because of what lávenza said that 2 people with potential are chosen. Spoiler warning in case you haven’t played persona 5 Royal: Something that really stuck with me is why sumiré had the metaverse navigator. Or like why did she get attracted to the stadium where marukis palace is located in. One theory I saw on Reddit was because yaldabaoth saw maruki as a threat in the future so he gave sumiré the meta nav as a means to stop maruki from gaining too much power because I doubt it was given to her all because joker trusted her because her phone was acting strange way before they enetered marukis palace on the 10/30. So I’d like to get some theories on this topic because it’s so intriguing.

I find the spinoffs tend to exist in their own pocket of continuity that don't always line up with the main series. Even the main series games can be difficult to mesh together at times but at least there it tends to easily be explained by reality semi rewriting itself as different entities and layers of the collective consciousness become the dominant influences. Basically like the rumours in P2 rewriting reality in ways that could create, remove and completely change people but in an 'all myths are true' sort of way regarding the final bosses of the later games. With the spinoffs, sometimes they bend or break established rules to justify game mechanics and plot stuff. Stuff like Joker losing his compendium and having to completely redo it because Igor was absent, which makes no sense in-universe but happened because characters tend to get retired when their VAs die and the game can't carry over the P5 compendium + is more limited in available personas. The main series has to work around limitations too and has shifted direction in its lore but is better able to stay consistent in its established formula on what rules can change and which ones are meant to stay the same. Some types of spinoffs like fighting games and crossover stuff also tend to run pretty heavily on excuse plots that don't necessarily make sense as more than an isolated story independent of the main series they're associated with. Going by what goes on in the main series, I get the impression that the wildcard is actually a contract with Philemon and/or Nyarlathotep much like how all personas in P1 and P2 were given by them. Why everyone could use multiple personas there and can't anymore would be explained as a change in how their contracts were structured for later iterations of their game. Non wildcards effectively have a less direct form of the contract where they participate in the game but aren't central players in the same way wildcards would be. Aigis seems to have inherited the P3 protagonist's contract after a visit from Philemon. I'm iffy on her switching to Fool from Chariot after this since it doesn't really seem necessary. The only reason for it is due to the perception of Fool = Wildcard when they could've nodded to P1/P2 in better separating the two as connected but distinct. Changing the arcana of a character's persona outside of second awakenings doesn't really mesh with specific personas and their forms being an expression of someone's fate. What Athena represents to Aigis was expressed through the Chariot arcana and shouldn't have changed. Orpheus, Thanatos and Messiah having different arcana works because they individually represent different things through different arcana. Back to Akechi, P3 made a whole thing about what happens if you shove a shadow into someone who can only have one persona vs doing it to a wildcard and he had the potential to "win" and shape the world same as Joker, so it makes the most sense if he's a wildcard whose 2 personas are reflections of himself but never formed the necessary bonds to gain more. He could very well be a case of someone naturally awakening to 2 separate personas rather than continuing to use both forms of one, which normally wouldn't be possible due to most people being unable to hold more than one. Why this would happen instead of a second awakening in his case could be from Robin Hood and Loki representing such wildly divergent and conflicting paths and desires relating to his chosen goal, where personas usually become stronger and more refined forms of the same one. I wasn't a big fan of the third awakenings but his seems fitting in a similar way to having to fuse Orpheus and Thanatos to get Messiah. Both are a reconciliation of what the two component personas represent in order to create a unified whole. Another thing to keep in mind for why Akechi lacking the Fool arcana wouldn't be an issue for him having the wildcard is that people can be associated with multiple arcana. P4/P5 like to stick to one but P3 had characters with different arcana for their SL and personas and P1/P2 gave characters varying degrees of affinity with arcana that determined what kinds of personas worked best for them. Yu's second persona has World instead of Fool and Minato got Death and Judgement, so even Fool wildcards can have non Fool personas. The arcana that best represents a character isn't necessarily the only one they have strong ties to and it really depends on what aspects of themselves are being symbolically represented. One thing that bugs me about P5/P5R is that despite talking so much about shadows and personas, it's done in a limited perspective where characters can make incorrect assumptions that are never clarified/corrected. Maruki having a persona and a palace makes more sense when you remember that Futaba briefly had both too but her palace collapsed because she rejected what it represented and left with her persona. Maruki kept both because he embraced the desires of his palace, made a contract with his shadow and then fused the palace with mementos to reshape reality. Another example is what's said about the thief outfits. Morgana assumes that Joker's outfit poofed between fights because he didn't get the hang of his powers yet but this never happened with anyone else and he's the only one who didn't crash immediately after the first awakening. It's also assumed that the outfits appear based on being perceived as a threat but that seems like an oversimplifcation too. The implication seems to be that personas make the outfits appear when able to be called upon since they express the persona's passive buffs like elemental resistances and the heightened physical abilities people lack outside the metaverse. Arsène likely made the outfit disappear between fights so that Joker could conserve energy to fight his way out of the palace before the crash hit. He's more involved than personas usually tend to be and the others wouldn't have needed to do that since they had the knowledge and allies necessary to get out safely. For some reason they also never talk about how thief outfits compare to palace ruler outfits despite the clear connection between them.

I have a theory that I think makes sense In the first 3 persona games 1 and 2 (innocent sin eternal punishment) all the charcters could use multiple personas and the one who gave charcters the potential was philemon and he is characterised by a butterfly later on philemon becomes weakened and can't give as much potential to every persona summoner leading to igor becoming the master of the velvet room Now every incarnation of the wild card after p2 sees a butterfly (aka philemon) before they awaken and I think by every new persona game philemon recovers more of his power leading to him being able to distribute more potential for persona users Now in p5 the butterfly turn in Lavenza so that butterfly can't be the same as philemon is an argument I will hear which could mean 2 things 1: each velvet room attendant after the events of persona 2 is a part of philemon 2: Lavenza is an avatar of philemon but she doesn't relize it which could explain why she is the only velvet room attendant which is a kid representing that philemon is regaining his power to the point of making an avatar a small at that ( if it isn't obvious I believe in no 2 more)

What makes me think every night is how they treat akechi 3rd awakening as if he was an original persona user(fusing 2 of his persona, which is a different persona unlike other teammate) , they could have made akechi's 3rd persona awakening as akechi getting new persona from his bond with MC. But oh well i think to hard

Something that i dont see many people talking about in this discussion is the fact the Akechi is the Justice arcana from our (Joker's) perspective and every person is the Fool on their own journey so my hypothesis is that Loki is Akechi's Fool persona like how Arsene is to Joker and Robin Hood is Akechi's Justice persona formed from his bond with Joker, who is the Justice Arcana from his perspective (as Joker is really the only person he forms a deep bond with he doesnt have any of other bonds Joker has). However this can also be construed to everyone is a potential wildcard

Akechi is a wild card that doesn't have friends the only bond he has is with Joker which is why he is able to snag another persona that is able to "fool us" later in the game. Robinhood is the best side of Akechi but Akechi has already has accepted his darkside which is Loki. It also wouldn't surprise me that yaldaboath rigged the game against Akechi too

If I remember correctly, in Persona Q If I remember correctly, because the place they are trapped in is limited or will end or something has a set role. The wild card power was affected thus changing the nature of the wild card.

In persona Q, the area is a limited plane of existence which counteracts the fools limitless potential. The existence of even amounts of wildcards creates a boon which gives everyone a shard of the fool.

I'm pretty sure that P3 quote was retconned in P5 anyways, considering your party was able to enter to the Velvet Room at the end of the game, before facing Yaldabaoth.

I wonder if Akechi had access to Velvet Room, would Lavenza still be the attendant or whole new attendant would take place

The thieves den being jokers palace is actually impossible, Morgana once said that persona users simply cannot have their own palaces, hence the thieves den cannot be jokers palace.

There are 3 people who are possible wild cards. Joker obviously, Akechi probably, and Clara from the maid cafe as speculated by members of the velvet room.

Tbh i have a idea on why akechi had 2. What if akechi was the reverse fool. Every wild card protagonist was the normal version of the fool. So what if akechi was the reverse fool,yet due to what would happen,igor locked akechi out of the velvet room,which had akechi only get hereward,which then became robin hood and loki.

Sorry that I didn’t reply sooner, I was too busy with life. But either way I totally aggre with your analysis, Goro has the potential to be a wildcard but isn't because that's just not really possible for him. Simply because his ability is limited. Like Loki, he can trick people in to believing that he's somebody else, which means he gains anathor persona. But that doesn't make him into a wildcard, he's a separate case.

The Persona 5 Maniacus also directly says "Akechi is the other “Chosen One” who has received the same Wildcard ability as the Protagonist"

I just thought that Robin hood evolves into Loki, and only changed his appearance. Especially in the 3rd awakening. It shows robin hood and Loki, when in normally shows the 2 personas before the 3rd one

any questions relating to akechi in p5r have one two word answer Dunno maybe ?

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I think all Fools are wild cards, but not all wild cards are Fools and only Fools can get access to the compendium and fuse personas. I also think that Robin Hood and Loki are both his real personas, but because he has 2 vastly different sides of himself, or "personas", he gets 1 persona for each side. Robin Hood for his justice seeking detective prince half, and Loki for his mass murderer hitman half

May i add that Loki is a trickster that changes forms? I know you know that... But in all fairness, that alone looks like the power of a wild card without being a wild card and it suits Akechi perfectly

Here's my theory, and why. Under normal circumstances it is impossible for someone without the wild card to even access the Velvet Room. In order to present evidence in this case, I will actually cite Persona 1 and 2, where every character is a wild card and can access multiple personas without issue. Akechi is a different case. He may have some form of two true selves, or more likely, Loki can manifest with an alternate appearance and another name.

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Always wonder in ultimax if she did save P3 pro tag how's everyone gonna react to seeing young makoto and seeing his friends hitting there's 30's to 40's 💀.

its stands to reason that sinds akechi cant access the velvet room, he cant use all the powers/functions joker uses. and technically every persona user has a wild card. its how they summon their persona. (p4 uses them freely.) so it might just been miscommunication of what is what. the card joker is a wild card. a card that can fit in any situation and can act as other cards. we know that a persona is the attitude/personality that someone shows. you might think in that case joker and the other Mcs would have split personality. but all of those aspect of a person can live in side a single person. its the same as how you are different when with your parents compared to with the boys. even the reserve quite type can become rowdy under conditions. but that doesnt mean that he is no longer the reserve and quiet type. for joker, he learns and accepts the new values that he copy/inherit from his friends and confidants. and with the velvet room, he can pair those values fuse them in to a new aspect creating infinite possibility and power. akechi cant fuse as he has no access to the velvet room. and the power they described in PQ that are interfering with each other might just be limited to the Velvet room powers (including using multiple fused personas). in that case it can co exist with P4A concept. when you fuse something it doesnt mean you lost 2 for 1 stronger. it means that 1 contains both powers of 2. as for 3rd awakenng in royal. those are not exactly fusions. its because they become one and the same.

I thought it was straight up mentioned that yaldabouth picked 2 people to be wildcards to participate in his "game" either that or igor set 2 wild card to stop yaldabouth either one

Futaba have a palace and persona

The one thing I hate about protagonist-kun being so special is that the human is so only special because he is chosen by God. In truth everyone can become special with time and work. I love the unchosen one trope for that very reason!

On top of that aigis is a wild card and makoto could summon multiple personas around her

Couldn't the areas where the Q games take place affect the wild card. We know there is time travel shenanigans, so we know there are some strong types of magic.

I fail to see how this is, in any way, something to talk about past the fact it exists. Akechi has at a minimum, 3 bonds (which i can point out, thats the same amount as all the forced to completion confidants that joker has: mona, "igor" and sae.) He is of the justice Arcana, despite following a more narcissistic approach to the personal definition of Justice than most of the others in the game (at least until the 3rd semester). He could have pulled Robin Hoods form from Shido, as their personal definitions of Justice are rather similar (from what i can see). And Loki could have been formed from "Igor". I mean, take a look at P4/G, Loki is the reward persona for completing the Fool. And i know someone is gonna come in and go "oh, but he never made a connection to 'Igor'" I beg to differ. It may not be a spoken connection, but it is one nontheless, making it a social link of some sort. And it probably completed the same way that rank 10 of the fool completed for joker. Now, some may ask about what persona Joker gave Akechi if what I'm saying is the case. Well, it's Hereward. I don't remember much (if anything) about the man, but if anything else here is true, then persona re-awakenings can count as the "reward persona" as i called it, for whichever confidant. Alot of this is speculation on my part, to be fair, but i have done more than 15 minutes of thinking, unlike a decent chunk of Stans for this sorta thing.

If you don’t need to be a wild card to hold more than one persona, I wonder if someone with a condition like multiple personalities could have one for each identity?

So... I think he isn't a wild card, but rather a persona user like persona 1 and 2. Maybe something like he's an anomaly of the old world trying to be remembered?

Akechi's not a wild card simply because he changes outfit when changing from Robin hood to Loki Joker's outfit never changes and he is a wild card

Adachi is also a wild card but he is never associated with the fool arcana

I think he is a Devil summoner instead of a persona user

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="420">7:00</a> i also wanted add how if you don't finish Maruki's arcana you don't get third semester and automatically go into the dream. Ive noticed that his is a common feature, for example in the original P5 if you didn't max out arcana that aren't the main group/story driven, they don't see the merge of mementos and the real world. Yet they do if you max them out. That's why everyone who isn't joker didn't notice anything at first, because no one forged a bond with Maruki like joker. Plus I'm almost certain Akechi's never seen Maruki a day in his life before third semester so of course he's going to be affected at first.

I don't like what Futaba said about Akechi not being able to summon multiple persona because he didn't create bonds and how Robin and loki are from his lies and hate. He created bonds with sae and ren but he still didn't get any new persona. Also Robin and loki both come from diffrent parts of akechi and his views on justice. Robin is everything he wanted to be when he was little, loki is everything he is now due to all the trauma he had to go though. And then Robin and loki fuse to make his 3rd persona. I like to think all of his persona come from diffrent parts of his personality or ideas of justice. It would definitely be allot cooler if that was the case, it also still works if he is a failed wild card, instead of the persona's coming from the bonds he makes they just come from him.

I don't think akechi is a wildcard, the main reason for saying so, is due to him having more than one persona. The wildcard is infinite due mostly to their physical and mental ability of just being adaptable, whatever they need they need to be, and that their personality could even shift to better suit their role better, and that their true form is that of a "trickster" Akechi, while yes he does have more than one persona, this is much more likely a manifestation of the fact that he is much closer to being "two-faced" and the gap between them, each side representing his optimistic exterior, the side shown publicly, especially on tv, and the darker side, (I don't really know how else to refer to it, it isn’t really pessimistic, maybe closer to realism.) The side of which was grown up without parents, the side that grew with vengeance. These are both equally him. Neither is more true. Thus the reflection of his true self, both. Notably not both at once, he doesn't switch in and out as readily as a wildcard would, that's mostly why I don't think he is one, the shift in persona usage mirrors the persona we see him wear for the phantom thieves. Switching to his vengeful later because that's who he is when he's with them later. Not his optimistic side. That's mostly it for me.

robin hood is the persona akechi gets with his relationship with joker and loki is hos real because loki was in the last games fool arcana and because akechi has only one earnest relationsship with joker he has only two

SMTP MCs: Wild Card Akechi: Cheat Card

If he ain’t a fool then he is in fact a jester

nanako

It's not really a valid argument to say that only Fools can be a wild card because that completely ignores P1 and both P2s where everyone is a wild card and the protagonists are Emperor, Sun, and Moon arcanas.

Nah I don’t think Akechi is a wild card. I think he was so good at creating an entirely new personality, Robin Hood is just the representation of that fake “real” personality. I think that’s all he has.

sorry but no, Robin Hood is fake and Loki is true (since after he reveals his true personality Loki is the one he used) Akechi is also not a wild card since he wasn't a guest of the velvet room

Maybe a spoiler warning about the Aegis thing? Though this is a P5-only discussion. Kinda spoiled a key point in plot for me in p3p

Well in regards about Joker & Akechi having the Same Power, aka Wildcard, I personally don't Believe Akechi is a Wildcard due to my Experience with the Series & here are the Reasons Why (some spoilers): 1. The Thieves Den is not something to be really considered Canon. For the most Part, it's a Ineractive Gallery of but in terms to talking to Characters it's more of a "What if Secenario" for Interactions. 2. Let's say that the Interactions are Canon, Akechi quickly jokes about it to Yusuke about having the Wildcard. In this Scenario, it's more of a Competitive Mentality & Spirit that Akechi has to Joker becuz like any Rivalry, a Rival would claim to do, to be equal or better than his/her own Rival. 3. The Power of the Wildcard can be sensed by others who have the Power & the Velvet Attendants. This is seen throughout PQ & Q2 & P4 Arena & A. Ultimax. If Akechi is really a Wildcard himself, other Wildcards & especially the V. Attendants would have sensed him to have such Power. Now most of may say becuz of his Power & Status of Trickster like Joker or becuz of his Persona Loki (the Trickster God) he was able to keep his Wildcard Power hidden. Well No. 1st off, the idea of Trickster for Akechi is not about Power but more about Character & 2nd, it's not becuz of his Persona Loki, anybody can trick anyone, regardless of their Persona (Example is Adachi who has Magatsu Izanagi however he is Trickster in terms of Character). However let's say that it is becuz of Akechi's Power of being Trickster or becuz of his Persona Loki. The V. Attendants would sensed Akechi to be similar to other Wildcards or have the Potential to be one (like Sho in P4 A.Ultimax) becuz to them, they are really powerful enough to sense anyone's Power & Potential... 4. In Modern Persona (3-5) all Wildcards initially have the Fool Arcana or will change to the Fool Arcana (seen in the P3 the Answer with Aigis & in P4 Arena with Elizabeth). So in this case, Akechi should have change his Arcana to the Fool however this doesn't happen... 5. Loki is technically more of a 2nd Evolution of his Persona Robin hood rather than being a 2nd Persona. Loki is technically Akechi's Strongest Persona becuz he is the Evolved form Robin Hood & besides, Akechi would have equally used both Robin Hood & Loki, especially in the 3rd Sem but like it's proven, he does not... This all the more proves that Akechi is no different from the Persona Evolution Process of the Phantom Thieves. Why? Becuz if Robin Hood & Loki were actually 2 different Personas, he would've used them by really changing them throughout his whole Fight, not by simply using 1 for the 1st stage & the other for the 2nd stage becuz practically it's really stupid. & like I said before, this also would've been more useful in the 3rd Sem but it never happened, Akechi only used Loki. In this case, Akechi is a Users who can control his Persona's Evolution due to how long he has been a Persona User. & to note, all Phantom Thieves share similar Evolution Aspect to Akechi, where it starts from a Mythical or Historical Hero to Gods or other Religious Beings based in Legends (examples are Ryuji from Captain Kidd to Sun Wukong, Morgana from Zorro to Mercury or Yusuke from Goemon to Susano'o). This all the more proven in the 3rd Sem, where all the Phantom Thieves (except Joker) have their 3rd Evolved Personas which is a Fusion of their 1st & 2nd Evolved Personas . The other thing to note here is that Joker would've taught Akechi how him how to be Wildcard or have Lavenza & Igor to make him have access to V. Room during the 3rd Sem but as we know, that didn't happen... 6. You may say that "if it weren't for Yaldabaoth's Intervention, Akechi could've been a actual Guest in the V. Room", however this is not the Case. Throughout all Persona, Philemon (1-2) and his Servant Igor (3-5) choose those who have Potential & Growth to be Wildcards. So this isn't about Yaldabaoth's Intervention but more on who Philemon or Igor chosen. This is similar in P4, where Izanami chose Adachi, Nanatame & Yu to be part of her Game by awakening their Powers of summoning Personas & to enter the TV World but it's Igor who chooses who Yu to be a Wildcard based by their Growth & Potential. & to note, even throughout the 3rd Sem in P5R, Igor nor Lavenza ever acknowledge Akechi to be a Guest to V. Room nor did they make him a Guest to the V. Room, which also means not acknowledging him to be a Wildcard like Joker... 7. Also in "Implying", it's been more like by the Phantom Thieves Perspective. They did to "See to believe" Mentality when in Fact that Lavenza only said that Joker & Akechi were only Representatives in Yaldabaoth's Game, not about Joker & Akechi being both Wildcards...

I do not think Akechi has the power of the Wild Card. He even says so in the Thieves Den. Loki likely transformed into Robin Hood like how Akechi's Metaverse appearance changed to keep his "Detective Prince" guise.