Damn right...last generation was plagued by UE4 fatigue. Every game eventually looked the same and with the same flaws over and over again. Hopefully developers take inspiration from Remedy or even developers like Guerilla, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Square, etc that you can make your own engine still in 2023.

I really hope Remedy will get the praise they deserve for it, and that it keeps being economically viable for them to continue using in-house tech. Even though studios like CD Project Red have had issues with their own engines, it's still sad when they abandon their tech for UE.

Northlight has received a massive influx of cash, resources and overhauls since 2019s control. It was good then but it is a world class engine now. As good as UE5

​@@KefazXNah, all of their games are trainwrecks on the technical side, especially on console.

And somehow they managed Frame Generation with vsync. At least it looks like it in game. Where Cyberpunk still struggles there. Constant breaks in image if you do not have G or Freesync

Yeah, the developers have already done the hard work balancing IQ and performance, so why not copy them? The only big difference is RT performance, particularly on the Nvidia side. Oh, and also Texture filtering can almost always be turned up on PC for whatever reason, maybe it's the shared RAM pool.

@@brewski535 Yeah it feels like the Ray Tracing/Path Tracing was only meant to work optimally on 40-series Nvidia cards. Seems like they intentionally wanted it to only be used alongside DLSS/DLAA and Frame Generation and they optimized it towards that, so AMD cards owners aren't really going to be able to enjoy the feature unless they have a top of the line card (and even then I doubt they'd be able to get good FPS beyond 1080p).

@@brewski535 Memory Bandwidth.

​@@hallyuniverseWhat i really don't understand in regards of better performance for a wider range of gpus, is the lack of RTAO as an option besides Path Tracing. RTAO is the most performant rt feature of all and yet very impactful on visual quality. It even runs on a GTX 1060 without any rtx hardware at all per compute shaders. Instead remedy opted for sh..y screen space ao with all the terrible issues like artifacts around objects, vanishing at the edges and lights leaking. RTAO could have really helped a lot of gamers. It is even already implemented in the graphics engine as a final step after 1 to 3 light bounces in the path tracing pipeline.

Dont have the game yet but I would lower the rays or bounces first and than think about AO. This game reminds me on Witcher3 s HaireWorks.

The average Gamer will never understand the difference between those 2 and will always blame the developer before he even upgrades the driver. Thank god this game isnt released on steam. Can you imagine the outrage by 2060 rtx users that cannot run this game in 16k 480 fps?

@@SaithMasu12 lmao I guess it's probably better for those people to stick to console since it's clearly the "smarter not harder" was to play these newer titles, hit start and it just works most of the time. Especially since it seems like most of these new titles are not given much thought when getting ported to PC

nah, this game's shit while not looking noticeably better than anything else, just like Control. Remedy has done nothing of note after Max Payne, they make the equivalent of a Netflix show that gets cancelled after 1 season, and they've done that 3 games in a row, really I should say they have done nothing of note since they released Max Payne 2 in 2003, so about two decades worth of completely forgettable games.

@@KvltKommando 😂 the Netflix analogy

AW2 having DLSS & FSR as mandatory really unveils its optimization issues. Also the "smart devs" decided to lock out everyone with no AVX2 instructions . Maybe a patch will solve the issue tho.. as this happened with CP2077 they fixed it eventually. The point is : okay make tour game visually appealing but also include a potato pc setting for the poorest of gamers. You are having less sales with these sh@ty practice. Also a big turnoff is the Epic Store deal. Do you know how many have pirated the game just to not buy it on Epic ?

Hardware Unboxed does

@@destroyermaker No, Hardware Unboxed does not meticulously inspect console graphics settings and compare them against the PC's settings.

​@@destroyermakerabsolutely not. They do benchmarks with everything at ultra settings and then whine.

@@garrusvakarian8709 sure, they made that video, then they review mid and low end GPUs at ultra settings and cry foul. Those two guys are full of themselves

no. lmfao@@destroyermaker

seriously it was like a different person

I really thought it was a different person until the usual german greeting at the ending

It sounds like someone else re-recorded lines and used an AI to try and imitate his voice

Honestly the voice thing is frying my brain, he suddenly sounds like a different American dude

I was also quite perplexed by this change! 😅 He might be using a different microphone. In my opinion he sounds better in the second half. 🤓

Not to people who can't stomach horror... :-/

But there's no discussion on the different ray-tracing options 😢

@@DavidAlfredoGuisado This was just a preview of how scalable the game is and the kind of misleading spec requirements from Remedy. We will get a more in depth analysis for PC probably next week. DF never disappoints! 😄

It needs to be seen mostly by people who have been crying and whining the last few days.

@@DavidAlfredoGuisado turn it off. raytracing in this game is basically useless.

I would prefer the sizzling anyway, turning reflections off looks horrible and very weird and destroys immersion in the woods with the puddles and all, even the sizzling doesnt do that

Exactly. It cleans up the flaws but that cleaning up is expensive. Looks good everywhere!

which also makea you wonder such big perfomance hit...

"I remember when low settings would fundamentally change the look and feel of a game" That's what low is supposed to do in order for games to be playable on a much wider set of hardware. Low looking good is not a good thing when there's only a 20% difference in performance compared to ultra

I do not care about graphical fidelity nearly as much as I do about games being playable at 60 FPS, and I suspect that most people do, too. To that end, I'd much rather have low settings that look like crap but are comfortably playable on my crap-tier system, than having low settings look gorgeous but being relegated to playing the game on KZfaq.

@@hrkljusWell, game developers could lower the graphics so much that the game would become a PS2 potato fest, would be playable in any PC, but at the expense of artistic expression and art direction. Remedy believes that a certain level of realism is necessary for the game to be immersive, that's why the low settings are still pretty. But you can wait for modders to lower the graphics beyond Remedy's presets if you want.

Immortals of aveum uses lumen and nanite that's why it's intensive

The amount of comments I've seen of people calling AW2 devs "lazy" for apparently not optimizing their game is mind boggling. Meanwhile its one of the only games on the market that supports mesh shading, you know, a very modern optimization technique

I hope my RX 480 can run Alan wake 2 😢

Upvote just for "Sporfoken"

Finally a comment with actual thought behind it

And every gen it gets harder for normal people to even have a chance to play these games

@@ni9274Get a console then, you want the best looking game ever maxed out you will need to pay for it.

​​@@ni9274wdym? console market getting bigger and bigger with each gen

Control 2 is going to melt eyeballs

@@ni9274 This is completely normal. It was the last decade that was the aberration due to Ps4 and X1 launching EXTREMELY underpowered for their time, and then games being held back for sake of cross-gen for a few years of this gen too. Games stagnated, due to being shackled to Ps4/X1 2011 era laptop tier hardware, and so did the requirements, luring people who never got to experience a proper generational leap into a false sense of security. Back in the 00's, games were putting GPU's of the previous generation in their grave, sometimes - they even pulverized the contemporary generation, like the famous Crysis. Post like these are, no offense - "how to tell me you got into PC gaming in the last decade, without telling me you got into PC gaming in the last decade" in a nutshell.

lol yeah, I was going to say that it sounds like he hit puberty at that point and his voice changed. Realistically speaking, I think he's just under the weather. I caught a cold earlier this week and my voice has been deeper than usual. He'll likely go back to his old self as soon as it clears up.

Even PS4 era games if you think about it. The CPU in the PS4/Xbox One was outdated the day it released. I can remember several games where the lowest graphical settings you could choose on PC was still higher than the settings used on PS4/Xbox One; that is to say, the console versions were running custom settings unique to the consoles that were even lower than low. I think Red Dead 2 was one of these games. But because this current gen of consoles has some really solid hardware, “low” is the new medium. If that makes sense. So your comment rings true for sure even for more recent games.

What's incredible to me is how many people are complaining that GPUs which are older than the consoles (& 4-5 years old at that), aren't able to effectively run games which were designed for the consoles. As if this should be something anyone should expect? That's never been a reasonable expectation! An RX7600 is $250 new, it's not like PC hardware is dangling out of reach in the distant sky! And those trying to make it a class issue, give me a break. PC gaming has always been more expensive, and consoles are there as they always were. Someone who wants to be buying new AAA games day 1 on release, but the cost of a midrange GPU upgrade 4 years later is too much, probably needs to pick a lane!

And what's bad about it ? Let more people enjoy and be able to buy the game. I won't upgrade my pc just for 1-2 games when others are trash and not worth anyway. Stop with these consumerism comments. Think about us poor bastards who can't afford a 4090 .

@@johnny2598 Well the alternative is to just play the newer games on console since you can get a pretty quality presentation on the current gen consoles these days. If you want graphical quality above the current gen consoles on PC, it’s going to cost you. These new consoles aren’t like last gen where games were releasing at 900p with sub 30fps performance and incredibly low graphical settings. That’s why I own both a PS5 and a gaming PC but their rolls have reversed every since the release of current gen. Prior to PS5, I’d use my PC for the superior graphics/performance since it shat on my PS4 Pro. But now my PS5 kicks my PC’s dick in so I use the console for new games for the best experience and my PC for last gen titles, especially since Sony has terrible backwards compatibility support as you get zero benefit playing last gen games on PS5 unless the devs release a patch. And even then it’s a toss up.

True

They absolutely nailed it

The problem here is that it was never explained. So, the requirements are just put out there without any communication. What annoyed me a little was the condescending attitude some people had (of course they had really access to the game code). Instead of just explaining this or saying nothing, they were pretty dismissive of the concerns without any justification. Sure, NDAs... but then don't say anything because you can't present anything. Honestly, though. I think it is a shame there is no fall-back for mesh shaders like there is for RT. RX 5000 is not an ancient piece of hardware!

yeah it was a surprise for me... now it explains the issues

It does not clarify what kind of alternative ray tracing you are using( SDFGI, Voxel Tracing, SSGI) you are using, it may simply be lying to justify the poor performance. Lineman said he was using GI backed.

@@Eternalduoae But those people wanted to tell everyone as much as they were allowed. They're under NDA so they can't say 'the game runs fine and looks good'. They can only say 'you don't need to worry about it' or stuff like that. Regarding mesh shader fallbacks - well there _is_ a fallback. If they hadn't implemented a vertex shader path for this, the game would just crash on a GTX1080 or any other GPU without mesh shaders. But the fallback can't give good _performance_ because if they could have good performance without mesh shaders then they wouldn't need mesh shaders.

@@josecangrejo3086 didn't df video on ps5 aw2 explained they are using SDF for specular lighting, lighting dynamic objects and reflections, that's literally software ray tracing..

They recommended 540p medium for rtx3070, you can also see it in this video. The fact that it can run at 1080p native without problems means that people who complained about requirements were right. 540p looks bad, but Digital Foundry can't say it for some reason, and that requirements were silly and misinformation, to promote 40 series cards.

at least you are not one of those bots roaming arround the steam forum and complain why a new next gen game isnt running great on 10 year old hardware, which i kid you not is a common thing these days.

​@@SaithMasu12most people's PCs are less powerful than the current consoles which most games are going to be optimized for now. Not shocking that these games don't run well on their systems lmao.

@@1GTX1games running good for me on medium preset 4k dlss quality on my 3080

@@gotworc the Series S is somewhere around the power of a GTX 1650, the hardware floor of this generation shouldn't be that high

I wonder if using mesh shaders would increase performance in other games that perform badly, or are they only useful with extremely high geometric detail like we see here, where classic vertex shaders get completely crippled.

I think the Medium preset was closest to the console graphics on HZD, that might be most games these days! Or low-ish, in this case.

Valheim looks better

It looks like a blurry mess

don't compare cartoon with real life@@amirhb7531

​@@kartikranjha1533it's anything but. Easily the best visuals I've seen in a game.

yes, even at low settings.

This. I hate when i see people moan about it being poorly optimised because they aren't willing to spend the money needed to max it out. Developers like Remedy & CDPR are pushing the industry forward and i'd hate for them to lower their ambitions to make a bit more money in sales.

@@nick4810 not everyone has cash for extra expensive gpu.

@@nanenab8744 true. so they should buy a console

​@@nanenab8744then lower your settings and resolution. It's not rocket science.

@@nanenab8744 PC Gaming always was expensive and required young people to make some money somehow to afford the upgrades they wanted. I don't like to be the guy that says "get a job then" but it's true in this case.

Best comment you are right

At this point it would be wiser to get a console that will have the perfomance of the game guaranteed (after all that's the baseline devs are using to create games) than spending the same money for a 3070 that's going to be bottlenecked.

Crypto caused the prices to skyrocket. When that ended Nvidia thought "hmmm, people are desperate enough to pay these fake prices..." It will only stop when people stop paying. But they won't as there are a lot of nerds with more money than sense, and nothing more interesting to do than play video games.

Mid-range GPU at this point is RTX 2060 and RTX 3060, and no they are not running this game great at 1080p, which is actually 540p with DLSS.

​@@J0rdan912what are you talking about. I have a Rx 6600 and I run it natively at 1080p. It runs great.

at 40fps 😁@@nikhilabi2230

​@@nikhilabi2230It runs great, as long as you consider 30 FPS "running great". Personally, I do not.

@@J0rdan912 not true based off the benchmarks from those cards

So are you setting it at high or low? Because high will cause a big performance drop off

@@mlgcactus1035 I'd see what high with heavy upscaling would get on my machine, but it's gonna be a hot minute until I get the chance to try it. We love timed exclusives.

@ironeleven at least epic did fund the development of this game, so they have a valid excuse this time.

Is Cyberpunk Overdrive also playable on a 3080 at 1080p?

​@@DionyzosIt is.

@@Dionyzos Playing at 4k DLSS performance with path tracing enabled on a 3090. looks and runs great.

Same here!

@@varshoee When you say "runs great" what do you consider great? Genuine question here, because I have the same card, started the game with the same 4K DLSS perf. settings + path tracing... And a mix of medium and high in the rest of the settings. I got around 35-48ish FPS in the opening five minutes (the bit before you take control of Saga). 35 FPS was too low for me, so I had to relinquish the dream of path tracing.

change your hobby if you can't afford PC upgrades every 5 years

@@Voltomess There plenty of games already, but you’re right. I shouldn’t be worried about this. Anyways, Remedy will not end up like what happened with Asendant Studios.

@@lumirairazbyte9697 there's always consoles and you can screw that pc master race 😁😁

We can be grateful that Epic Store customers will beta-test the game for us before we buy it discounted and patched up next year.

​@@azmc4940like fortnite, yeah? they are publisher this time

@@azmc4940 Alan Wake remastered was released on the Epic store 2 years ago and still no steam release, so it's not looking good for a steam release for Alan Wake 2 ever unfortunately.

​@@azmc4940i mean unlike Control, this game is fully funded by Epic so it may not ever see Steam

​@@azmc4940I dont think it will ever hit Steam tbh. Without Epic, this game wouldnt exist. I doubt that they will let go of it easily.

Laziness. basically, Konami always been lazy

@@matthewjuarbe5826 Sure - lets say maximum laziness and lack of care. Even then, whats the bottleneck? I'm talking from the perspective of a casual hobbyist developer. I genuinely can't fathom why these games would run so relatively badly, unless theres some reallllly bizarre stuff going on internally, something like partial emulation in the way that some of the mario 3D all stars collection works. ..But Ive heard, apparently very conclusively, that that isnt the case, from dataminers.

Metal Gear Solid 1 is Emulation. that's for sure. Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 are based off of the Xbox 360 HD Collection. i honestly don't know maybe CPU or Memory Bandwidth. Memory Bandwidth Seems to be the main issue for Switch. since on CFW you can overclock the CPU GPU and Memory and we see improvements more in memory overclock then CPU and gpu overclock. but it's also possible given the Switch is primary a mobile console. they were concern with battery life. since going to 60fps would require more CPU power which would use more battery life. but why not make a performance mode for dock mode to target 60fps like in Darksiders@@bud11_2

​@@matthewjuarbe5826 I initially heard it was 360 emulation too, but Ive asked around a little in modding circles and it seems like its not? Either way Id like to know for sure. If it really is 360 emulation then I guess I can excuse them a little, on switch at least edit, misread your comment as 360 emulation. eh whatever

i dont think its 360 emulation its most likely a port of the Xbox 360 HD Collection with Metal Gear Solid 1 being emulated with a custom PS1 emulator. and then a custom UI launcher on top@@bud11_2

yeah its pretty frustrating. when i turn rt off, its not just for visuals. i want to regain performance. thats not going to happen if rt off = rt software renderer. which sounds like even worse performance.

Playing on a 3070 right now. Getting around 60 fps on 1080p medium DLSS quality. Had to turn on vsync because the frames were jumping all over the place between 30ish to 90 at times. Truly a shit a experience without a freesync display. But it's fine now.

​@@Kasper0822I have recently discovered that you can use a plugin in rivatuner (the utility that comes with MSI afterburner to cap fps) to map hotkeys that lets you change the frame cap. This way when the game struggles too much you cap at 30, when it's running better you cap at 60 ! The plugin is called hotkeyhandler and is included with rivatuner 7.3.4.

Most modern games, lower settings are not bad at all. It's what most consoles use as their settings. I think we just grew with this notion that we need to max out everything, even when it don't need to be, and low settings = bad, even tho AW2 on low settings is prettier to look at than most AAA games on High. I think AW2 justifies its PC requirements by having a really next gen experience, unlike some UE5 games that are also really demanding, even tho the game isn't even impressive.

@@Kasper0822I’m not playing at 1080p on my 4K TV! Gonna look blurry regardless of how good the game looks.

@@jose131991 doesn't look that bad. I'll pick that over bad framerates anyway.

What do you mean it can't be turned off?.. never seen a single game where that was the case.

​​​@@seaofrageThis is the first game where I've seen this. There is a toggle with only DLSS/DLAA or FSR, with no option to turn off. See 14:25.

@@LordShrub DLAA is native res

not dlaa is native with dlaa. where is just native with NO aa?@@seaofrage

@@seaofrage It doesn't matter. DLAA can't be turned off and makes it look blurry.

Think he just said they were comparable

PlayStation has its own custom built alternative.

ps5 PERFORMANCE settings...ps5 QUALITY notches the level up on several areas as the table in the video shows

Quality even fixes some of the issues Alex pointed out, like the grainy screen space reflections and the fog line in the distance. You have to play at 30fps, tho newer games feel relatively smooth at 30, I have noticed. Callisto Protocol at 30fps felt pretty good to play for example, probably thanks to the good motion blur

a mixture of low and Medium . PS5 Quality is probably Medium to High , but I am just speculating here

Honestly, not acceptable for a console that is barely 3 years old. Seems like they should have just skipped the console release altogether.

@@Nessmith11 But did you see the video? Low settings in this game look like ultra in other games.

What resolution you playing at?

1080p, haven't got a 1440p monitor cause of the 8gb of vram

Turn off film grain it helps

You could try using DLDSR and set the output to a higher resolution like 1440p + DLSS Quality. There is also a utility called DLSS Tweaks where you can change the scaling factor and preset (preset C is best for no ghosting and less blur) of DLSS. For DLSS Quality the factor is 0.666 so it would be 960p -> 1440p, but you could change it to 0.75 so it's 1080p -> 1440p making the image clearer.

Set your displays sharpening to your eyes sharpness. After that try DLSS, it's sharper than native.

Why? Any PC with a 2060 blows away all the consoles. If you play on a real potato, you probably wont touch this game, or shouldnt. Consoles should just stay with their mixed low/ultra low settings

The PS5pro really needs mesh shaders

Alex always kills it with the background music selection.

I think the most popular card on Steam is still the 1650. Honestly I'd still consider anything above the 3060 and 6600 enthusiast grade. Basically you need to spend like $600 on a new gpu to play Alan Wake 2 without any upscaling - which in FSR's case looks like a flickery mess in this game. I really appreciate the technology that went into Alan Wake 2, but I don't think you can realistically expect anyone but the most hardcore gamers to have the hardware to run it on pc

@@SterkeYerke5555 yeah, like to really enjoy the game, one definitely needs quite a beefy GPU

I don't know how people still use 10-series Nvidia cards. Anything below a 1080 TI can't run anything from 2020-onwards. I remember AC Valhalla was one of the first titles of gen 9 gaming and it needed a 1080 TI or better to always stay above 60 FPS. People's 1650 and 1660 Supers dropped to the 50s in certain areas. I'm not a hardcore gamer or enthusiast but I still have a RX 6700 XT and Ryzen 7 5700X because current gen games are very GPU and CPU intensive and it'll only get worse. I don't understand why people still have hardware configuations like we're in 2015. The age of old GPUs and quad cores is over.@@SterkeYerke5555

@@noobbotgaming2173 I get your point but I don't quite agree. The 1060 can play Cyperpunk in 1080p with FSR Quality at around 60fps, which I guess was decent enough in 2020, especially during the mining boom. Now that we've left mining behind though, it's still very hard to find anything decent below around $300. That's a considerable amount of money in itself, let alone just to spend on one part. And that's only for 1080p gaming. 4K monitors have been pretty affordable for years now, but finding a gpu that can do 4K is nearly impossible in modern AAA gaming if you're not willing to spend $1600+ on a 4090. Even my 6900XT struggles

@@SterkeYerke5555 4K is currently hype. But as we transition to 1440p as the norm I don't recommend people use their 1660/1650s anymore. That card is far too outdated. And I haven't touched the GTX 1060 in a while so I don't know how it performs in Cyberpunk. Certainly not 2.0. But I remember RDR2 as one of the many titles that's already old and it couldn't reach 60 FPS even on medium settings. My point is people don't save much with their old cards because they can't play anything beyond competitive multiplayer. Suppose they bought their cards at release. They should have already made that money back to buy something more current. In my country the cheapest RX 6700 XT models are anywhere from $430-$450. For comparison the 1660 was similar price at launch. So people either have very bad finance or they don't realise that GPUs are far more stocked than they were 2 years ago. Edit: I used the RX 5600 XT for a couple years. Far better than the 1660 at 1080p. Played most titles at high settings 60+ FPS. And it didn't cost much at release. $350 in my country's currency. I'm all for keeping hardware alive as long as you can. But after a couple years and multiple titles in the past couple years that require more capable hardware it's long overdue for old GPUs. People need to stop cheaping out on components because like I said experience matters. And you ain't gaming if the rig has a weak card.

30-45 fps is garbage pls

@@disgracetwt5513 It's a cinematic survivor horror, not a first person shooter. Doesn't bother me.

@@SuperDimson good for youif you like it but most still consider under 60 fps garbage so....

I get 45-50 in 4 k low/dlss performance with the 3070 laptop

Cheaper 20 series cards have rather poor performance in this game anyways, so its no biggie if they were the same people considering the 5700xt, especially since it took 4 years lol

RX 5000 owners were lucky that only now the first game to require DX12 Ultimate was released.

DLSS has been great though, so RTX 2000 series cards served their users well (and they released just prior to the HUGE GPU price spikes that came during the pandemic & the 3000 series).

I don’t own a pc as well. Never will. It’s got nothing to do with cost. I just simply don’t want one. But I still watch nearly all of Alex’s videos too.

I totally feel ya. When you buy a console, you are buying games that have been thoroughly tested by the devs, who have picked the absolute most optimal and stable settings, without having to juggle with 20 setting on a PC. You just download the game on PS5, you hit play, and it just works. PC devs need to do a better job for optimized settings, without requiring videos like these. Alex should not have to be the middle-man here, when Remedy, or Nvidia should be doing this too. I'll bet the Game Ready Drivers have all settings set to low, when in fact, after seeing Alex's analysis here, not all settings need to be low. It's strange, and a pain in the ass. lol@@XgamerdaveX

@@BeersYourFriend This game is not good on the Ps5 either.. Also you don't need to ''juggle'' with 20 settings on PC, click auto.. done. Consoles are just locked down PC at lower end tier.