I'm seeing this race for the first time. Alan Webb was really impressive here, as he was the whole of his 2007 season, with the exception of the World Championships. His times from 800m to the mile are comparable with Coe's. Actually, if Coe hadn't run a fine 3:29.77 in 1986 when he was five years past his peak 1981 season, then Webb would be over 1.4 seconds faster than Coe over 1500m. Webb's time here of 1:43.84 was Coe's mean time for 800m, with him running the exact same time in Oslo in 1984 just before the LA Olympics. The difference between them however is that Coe had a championship temperament. Webb was not a championship performer. That's why he doesn't have a single medal to his name. It's a shame really because from 3000m upwards to 10,000m his bests trunce Coe's times.

27:34 10k, 3:46 mile, 1:43.85 in the 800...I can't think of many others with that range.

Wow. Reed took silver in the 07 World Championships and missed gold by 0.01 of a second. I am stunned Alan Webb could beat him in an 800. Webb was so talented but really never panned out in the major meets.

WOW!!! He's up and down at times but man...he ran this race really well!

Webb had freaking wheels that year. Last 70m he always blasted it.

Webb is now on the verge of being the greatest American middle distance/distance runner ever. What range!

Its incredible to watch Alan Webb in this video and like any race since Osaka, he has completely lost his kick!

Just purely amazing...just get it in the Olys Webb

wow!!!!

Yes it is. A 4:50 will let you finish top 3 in almost every middle school race you compete against (with some exceptions). The fastest middle school times in states like TX are typically 4:35-4:45 range.

agreed.

Holy shit. Comments from 14 years ago.

Pretty sweet, thats my man alan webb, maybe someday I might challenge him

I see nick symmonds 🔥

mm i've heard of you two.. very impressive.

yeah and my city too :p

I completely agree with you. I think Reed needs to be notified of this wacko. This goes beyond being a fan. This is weirdly obsessive. What a nut.

I know, but I don't know how much improvement I have left, I'm pretty much full grown right now

Sweet race! Webb continues to win in the last 10 meters by kicking through the tape.

If Webb would have focused on the 800 back then, he would have gotten that American record too.

Ok, Gary Reed!

Too bad there isn't a pacemaker in championship races so that Alan Webb could win a medal

A dchartier1 one, Gary Reed!

Wilson Kipketer 1:41.11 now thats fast

Dear Racketer/Decadyne, You call ME crazy, but YOU'RE the ONE who's TALKING TO HIMSELF! Love, Me

That's a SAD and CHEAP way to try to REFUTE my very SOUND arguments. No wonder you're IN LOVE with Webb so MUCH!

That's completely wrong, unless you're talking about the mile and not the 1500. For a typical 18 year-old md runner, a sub-4 1500 equates to about a 1:56/1:57 800. Of course, there are exceptions, depending on if the runner is more speed-oriented or more distance-oriented (the former will have a faster 800 and a slower 1500 relative to the latter).

he's talking about the 1500 and I assume you're talking about the mile?

The SAME reason I've been giving: because Webb TRAINS HARDER. And that's NOT an excuse. It's an EXPLANATION!

its rarely seen though, i've seen a rabit try to win the race but he died and finished 3rd or 4th

What a BAMF :]

Wilson Kipketer, for ONE, Racketer!

Also, Webb's 5K time is an UNFAIR COMPARISON because Webb trains like a DISTANCE RUNNER. Reed is like KIPKETER, and is and trains like a pure MIDDLE DISTANCE RUNNER, so he doesn't have the long distance STAMINA. But if he wanted, he could train LONGER, slow things down, and MOVE UP to the long distances. And then he'd leave Webb with his SHORT STUBBY LEGS in the DUST. REED has more VERSATILITY since he was a great DECATHLETE and LONG JUMPER. I bet Webb couldn't jump 21 feet if he tried!

Seb Coe - didn't he run a 1:41? Alan is still 2.5 seconds off Coe. his time here is fast, but not that fast.

I know, look at webb's face, he isnt red or anthing, he is just barely tired and breathing out of his mouth like it was nothing

jeremy can not do the half but damn that is a fast time much better then my 2:02

wow. do you think i will be able to race you? im 164 years old but just got a pr of 1:34.

What OTHER accounts are you going to open, RACKETER?

jeremy wariner should run the 800

What is obvious about what I have stated, please elaborate.

Ha, look at 1:11! Webb looks so funny pounding away on those short, stubby legs! I can't believe he can run so fast. Gary Reed, on the other hand, looks so smooth and like a gazelle. Too bad Reed lost...

well he never really had much of a kick from the beginning that hur him a lot

Reed was originally a LONG JUMPER (he jumped over 7 meters in high school) and DECATHLETE before switching to the 800. Webb was probably a CRAPPY swimmer which is why he SWITCHED to LONG DISTANCE! Reed living in CANADA isa LEGIT explanation. He doesn't have many GOOD RUNNERS there to COMPETE AGAINST. He holds the CANADIAN RECORD so there aren't any CANADIANS to push him. Webb is more than 1.2 SECS off the AMERICAN RECORD and has SYMMONDS to PUSH HIM, so that's an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

The 5K is NOT middle distance! Reed is a PURE 800 guy, like KIPKETER or CRUZ. Webb is a DISTANCE guy who FOCUSES on the mile and OCCASIONALLY goes down to the 800. It's EASIER to MOVE UP to longer distances than VICE VERSA. With Reed's INCREDIBLE speed, he could MOVE UP to the 1500 and do WELL. You say that Webb has more STRENGTH; well Reed has more SPEED and still has a BETTER 800 PR than Webb. Maybe Reed just feels like HAVING A LIFE rather than training ALL THE TIME like Webb!

i wasnt good at all, i could just barely break 6 tho in the 800 i was in the mid 2:30s which is somewhat respectable, to me at least.

It doesn't matter if Reed SOMETIMES runs against international guys. He still DOESN'T HAVE a lot of guys in his HOME COUNTRY to TRAIN WITH or RUN AGAINST. All he's got to run with are POLAR BEARS and CARIBOU! If he were in America and had INCENTIVE to run FASTER, he'd have the AMERICAN RECORD too! And I bet Reed could break 13 in the 5K if he TRAINED for it, TOO, which Webb couldn't even WISH FOR! Since Reed could break 45 in the QUARTER if he tried, slowing to 62 a lap is NOTHING for him.

wow nick simmons got 5th?

1:52 does not mean you should be under 4:00, more like 1:48- 1:47 - and even then under 4:00 is a big if - and even unlikely

First, Reed wasn't SMOKED by Webb. He lost by LESS than 0.2 of a SECOND! And he BARELY beat Reed in the LAST COUPLE METERS. So that's NOT being SMOKED!!! Second, this was the year Webb was AT HIS BEST with his mile AR and 1500 PR. He was TRAINING INCREDIBLY HARD that year, MORE than Reed. And you CAN'T SAY that anyone would win at 1500 or 5000 if he TRAINED! If I trained my ASS OFF, I couldn't beat Webb or Reed at those distances. And NEITHER could you. So DON'T exaggerate!

of course they can...they don't just let anyone rabit a race

average mile time for a highschooler should be 4:40-5:20. good runner run 4:40 and great runners sub 4:20, in my opinion at least

How is it easier to move up than to move down? Maybe on terms of being an average joe, because anyone can do a 16 minute 5k. Though not on terms of Olympic caliber, because endurance is harder to hold onto than speed Alan Webb has endurance and speed, so your points also aren't valid. Not only are you still on the hypothetical issue, but Webb is a fast 800 runner and neither of the two are moving down from the 800 Reed doesn't have what you're trying to describe, though Webb does have it.

lol my city

ummm....way to state the obvious. webb had a cold at that time and probably was slightly past peak

Nice try, Gary Reed!

Reed has professional training because he is a professional athlete. He runs against international guys more than he runs against his local Canadian friends. He goes to HUGE meets, not the local road races that you're trying to claim. He has the money to afford this. Olympic caliber athletes are supposed to perform at their best and with the best. Canada is right next door to America anyway. He's raced Alan Webb already, so he has raced against tough competition. Your excuses are lame.

I know. I think this is the same person who thinks I am Ato Boldon, lololol. You just can't overestimate the fucking nutters on KZfaq. I honestly think someone should notify Canada's team.

Racketer, DON'T start creating FAKE ACCOUNTS to back yourself up. That's WACKO. What a NUT!

@mikeylazer1 Yeah maybe in the U.S they wont touch it but if a kenyan comes he will take it like nothing.

This is such a CHEAP WIN for Webb! The only reason Webb beat Gary Reed is because he TRAINS HARDER. Reed has way more NATURAL TALENT -- just look at 1:11 where Webb looks so funny running on those short stubby legs while Reed moves so GRACEFULLY and LIKE A GAZELLE. And remember that Reed is the CANADIAN RECORD HOLDER so he doesn't usually have much competition, but Webb isn't the American record holder so he usually has better people to run against. Anyway, Reed is still the BETTER RUNNER!

{koo-koo!} {koo-koo!} Who do you know in athletics? You keep saying you know people. Who do you know?

@Averagebum2 How can he be world class from 800 to 10k when he never runs anything above 2 mile. Get your facts straight.

they're 400m runners, 800 is just too long for them to run at that pace.

No. I never did think of that. What vitamin are you lacking? You've clearly completely lost your mind.

@agentkro TRY to MAKE me! It's a FREE WORLD!

@dchartier1 your POSTS are ANNOYING. Stop TYPING like THIS.

alan webb setting another PR. 5 stars thx for posting this up. check out my vid.

... -uh, ok. -uh, sure. -uh, no. -definitely, positively no way, ever, in a zillion lifetimes.

And WHAT has Webb done SINCE his AR? Huh? Argue all you want, but just looking at RUNNING STYLE you can tell from Reed's GRACE and POISE that he's more NATURALLY TALENTED. Webb only has more ENDURANCE because he TRAINS HARDER. If Reed trained like THAT, he'd be done to a 3:44! Webb wil NEVER do that!

Also, Reed has more NATURAL TALENT than Webb. His stride is SMOOTHER, he has more 400 meter LEG SPEED, and he has a BETTER 800 meter PR despite TRAINING LESS. And if Reed REALLY WANTED to run the MILE, he could EASILY beat Webb. So who do you think is BETTER now, huh?

You don't know Wilson Kipketer. It's obvious to everyone reading this post. Does Wilson know your obsession with yourself, Gary Reed? Why DO YOU type LIKE THIS? Have a great day, Gary Reed!

Ha, SO clever. I FORGOT to laugh, RACKETER!

I'm NOT giving WHAT IFS! I don't know WHY you think that. Are you INSANE? So how about THIS. Reed has run a 46.4 400. That takes NATURAL TALENT and GREAT LEG SPEED. How fast can WEBB run the 400? Maybe he can BREAK 48 if he had the GUTS to try? That's why Reed is SUPERIOR in the 800. Plus. Reed has a BETTER PR in the 800 than Webb despite NOT training as hard.

That comment about having a life is just stupid. But who knows? That might be why Webb is better 800 through 5k is mid distance, and the 1500 definitely is mid distance. You're obviously in high school. I'll go with your logic though, so Webb is NOT a mid distance guy, though he can still run the same 800 time as Reed? LOL!!!! Strength is what's more important, especially when you already have speed. Webb has just as much speed, and he outlasted everyone on this race. Webb is pure mid distance

I'm NOT making excuses. I'd like one person here to TRY to the PROVE that Webb has more NATURAL TALENT or LEG SPEED than Gary Reed. Oh, and Reed is WAY WAY better looking than Webb, too. Maybe irrelevant to running, but yet ANOTHER WAY that Reed is SUPERIOR to Webb!

Even a child with basic reading and social skills could determine that Racketer and I aren't even from the same country. So what's your excuse?

Ha, I WISH I was as talented, fast, famous, and good looking as Gary Reed! But unfortunately, there is ONLY ONE Gary Reed. Nice try, racekter!

ok seriously nobody comes on here to watch you guys brag about you times they come here to watch the videos.

Webb did not do well in the 2007 worlds.

I know. All this horseshit spewing off and 1. Webb wins the race at 2. not Webb's natural distance. This would be a "shut the fuck up" moment if ever there was one. There's no accounting for KZfaq idiocy, which is why I thought you neednt be bothering.

Like I'm going to tell YOU who MY sources are! Let's just say I KNOW people with INTIMATE knowledge of this... You DIDN'T SAY professional runners, you said "ANYTHING" (i.e., anyone). Don't MAKE UP excuses NOW! And you couldn't say this about ANY professional runner, anyway. For example, there's NO WAY that Dathan Ritzenhein could beat Webb or Reed in the 800 -- he DOESN'T HAVE THE LEG SPEED! And I don't PRETEND you could beat Webb or Reed. Or else give your NAME amd PRs (with races)!

I know better than YOU!!! I KNOW people!

I run 1:52 and 4:13 and I'm a sophmore

I do not know what you mean by "It's that OBVIOUS?" Explain. I know who Wilson Kipketer is; he's your imaginary friend. Isn't that obvious? Who else are you friends with? Let me guess: NELSON MANDELA and MOSES KIPTANUI and SANTA CLAUS?

No, YOU don't know MUCH about track! I know ENOUGH to know that this was a CHEAP WIN by Webb who has PATHETIC leg speed and gets by with HARD WORK, which is ADMIRABLE, but doesn't compare to Reed's NATURAL TALENT. I'm telling you, put Webb in a race against COE or KIPKETER or CRUZ and he'd be SMOKED so bad it WOULDN'T BE FUNNY! Webb should move up to the 5000 or even the 10000 if he wants to HAVE A CHANCE to be big on the INTERNATIONAL SCENE. Hahahahaha!

Also, it's already proof that you're full of shit because you claim that Reed would be victorious over Webb IF he did the mile and 5k. Webb has more versatility due to the fact that he's a pure mid distance runner with more endurance than what Reed has. He has speed and strength that he's already trained for. Who cares what Reed would do IF he trained for it? How would Reed leave Webb in the DUST in the mile and 5k, even though Webb has more endurance with the same 800 time?

haha your pretty slow

Lol, explain how Webb doesn't have natural talent. He was originally a swimmer. Reed living in Canada isn't a legit excuse, it's a bullshit excuse. It doesn't matter anyway because Webb just did this 1:43 800. How does he not have natural talent when he's a sub 14 minute 5k runner, and he can still do the 800? He's multi talented, I definitely say Webb is better than Reed.

LOL jumping 21 feet is high school shit Thus, Webb trains like a mid-distance runner because he is a mid distance runner. A 5k is a mid-distance event; it's not that long of a race. What is your logic based upon? You're saying the same thing over, and over. No excuses, I want proof of what Reed has done. Webb does the same 800, with more endurance. How would Reed leave Webb in the dust? Webb even beat Lagat. Oh btw, Webb was trained by a high school coach. He's a pure mid distance runner.

If his legs were a little longer he would be 800/mile record holder he's 3 seconds off both

Lol, wrong. Reed gets Olympic training. Argue about the hypothetical nonsense all you want. Nobody cares what you BET Reed could do, that's just like saying I could bench press 500 pounds if trained for it Fact is, Webb has done low 13 minute 5ks and his 800 time is right on Reed. What are you trying to prove on natural talent? Webb is the more versatile runner and it shows Give evidence of what Reed has DONE, not what he COULD do. None of that "Reed could do a 3:30 mile if he trained."

You do not know very much about running, nor track and field. You're entitled to your opinion, but you sound downright silly and if I were you I wouldn't work so hard to make my ignorance public.

@dchartier1 your POSTS are ANNOYING. Stop TYPING like THIS.