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All About Audio Compression Ratios - Into The Lair #81

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Pensado's Place

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In the 81st Into The Lair, Dave Pensado of Pensado's Place goes over everything you ever wanted to know about compression ratios (3:1, 4:1, 20:1 etc) and when and why to use specific ones in your mixes.
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@Synth2000
@Synth2000 5 жыл бұрын
The service that Dave has been doing for the audio community is huge. Awesome person and definitely forward thinker.
@ElyJaffeMusic
@ElyJaffeMusic 10 жыл бұрын
You can't not love Dave Pensado. Thanks for this!!
@SamadhiStudios
@SamadhiStudios 5 жыл бұрын
Steven Bakunin *very slow claps*
@SamadhiStudios
@SamadhiStudios 5 жыл бұрын
Steven Bakunin the advice is free. Shut up and listen.
@uniquehouse892
@uniquehouse892 5 жыл бұрын
@Steven Bakunin He spends his time taking notes, to try and give us the best information possible for free, not getting the best audio possible for the video, he has already proven he can by working on some of the BIGGEST SONGS OF ALL TIME, which you haven't been remotely close to accomplishing; so shut your mouth and talk about something you know about! This is a perfect example of a hater who is clearly envious of Dave's status...
@MoghulVeyron
@MoghulVeyron 8 жыл бұрын
I love how confused Dave gets at parts during his explanation haha, cos it really can get that confusing when talking about ratio's! Great tutorial!
@WillieMCruz
@WillieMCruz 6 жыл бұрын
Moghul Veyron simple mathematics
@briant8871
@briant8871 2 жыл бұрын
8 years later and this is still one of the best explanations of compression I've seen
@garygoggin
@garygoggin 10 жыл бұрын
What a great guy.I think Dave Pensado and Graham from "The Recording Revolution" are two of the best online resources for mix engineers of any experience level.
@watsonsmicrocomputers9297
@watsonsmicrocomputers9297 6 жыл бұрын
Gary Goggin Graham? That's like saying salt and water are two of the best hydrating substances you can find. Or night and day are the best parts of the day. Graham of course being salt, and them both being at times polarized by Graham's propensity to take shortcuts and say things are unnecessary that Dave goes great lengths to explains and constantly shows he uses.
@christopherduval327
@christopherduval327 10 жыл бұрын
Dave, I can't thank you enough for sharing so much of your insight in these videos. Even though I understand comp ratios, I never really stopped to think through what you just so eloquently explained; how to think about the effect of different compression ratios to various source material. Now I completely understand why my results sometimes don't work out as expected. I can't wait to apply these ideas on my next mix. Really great stuff, and thanks again for being so generous with your knowledge!
@rvalenta4
@rvalenta4 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah I watched it with my in-ear headphones and the vocals almost blew me through the roof.
@SupernovaSun77
@SupernovaSun77 6 жыл бұрын
If you complain about any of his videos stop watching then. He is a certified pro who gives us gems. He doesn’t have to do this. I would appreciate if you quit with the thumbs down and the unnecessary comments about a master engineer. He’s very generous for allowing us access to his mental vault.
@FynePr1ntWilliamsMUS1C
@FynePr1ntWilliamsMUS1C 24 күн бұрын
Crazy that after every compression video I watched on ratios, this one made the most sense to me. Even the question of EQ before or after compression. Thank you!
@experimentalelectronica5016
@experimentalelectronica5016 7 жыл бұрын
High level approach.. modelling the intentionality of the lyrics with compression. You are the 6th Beatle ; )
@SIEVEPAT
@SIEVEPAT 10 жыл бұрын
To Dave Pensado i'v only been watching your videos for two days now. I am greatly inspired to one day reach your level of experience. Thank you so much for your lessons. You should teach at a tech school if your not already doing so.
@rickspyder1
@rickspyder1 11 жыл бұрын
Yes Great video....this is how to use compressors...to create energy and control it at the same time...instruments and vocals in great mixs sound uncompressed even though they really are...Dave demonstrated it very clearly and the energy is something that few beginning engineers think about while only watching meters
@trashhumper
@trashhumper 11 жыл бұрын
I love Dave, he's so god damn chill! Not to mention a genius
@davejohnsonmusic
@davejohnsonmusic 10 жыл бұрын
Though hip hop & pop isn't really my thing, just listening to how a pro operates, thinks and uses his tools is just so invaluable. What a cool cat!! Thanks Dave. Get some sleep
@esongsore
@esongsore 11 жыл бұрын
This is called 'teaching'...such a knowledgeable and yet humble dude
@MrMusicfan007
@MrMusicfan007 10 жыл бұрын
I love how he said "You guys can do some work too" haha :P
@superdertie
@superdertie 11 жыл бұрын
don't worry, son, I am. that's why i was here. you keep worrying about the levels on youtube tutorials it's a big help to us all
@approachableactive
@approachableactive 11 жыл бұрын
Only one professional full time world class , and highly sought after engineer producer in this discussion and he's giving the lecture. I'm going with his advice and being grateful for it!
@derekadair5320
@derekadair5320 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dave. when i'm finally famous and on pensado's place i'll reference this comment; you really illuminated compression for me.
@DJeMo
@DJeMo 4 жыл бұрын
Love your insight sir and it's a lil privilege for us to get a snippet of the production encyclopedia that is your brain, keep them coming, much luv from Northern Ireland
@mrtrixterathotmail
@mrtrixterathotmail 11 жыл бұрын
I know Dave.., It's hard to explain with world, right? But I got it.... Love you for doing what you are doing for the community!
@DStixx1
@DStixx1 11 жыл бұрын
Wow! So many things to think about in this ITL. Fantastic as always! Also, it would be really cool to see Dave kind of take us through a tour of his home studio!
@CrunchsWorld
@CrunchsWorld 4 жыл бұрын
thank you i was struggling with compression for a while, but it finally clicked after watching this video
@jimimaze
@jimimaze 8 жыл бұрын
DAVE! Love your videos. I'm watching every single one. My mixing has exploded because of your wisdom. Thank you. I gotta ask though, we aren't you mixing you're own mic? A closer mic with some bass roll-off. A little 2.5:1 compression and a limiter at the top. And a volume that matches your examples... Your examples are way loud! Anyways, I luv ya dude. I hope to meet you face-to-face one day.
@nicktheninja222
@nicktheninja222 10 жыл бұрын
Great video, but did anyone else have a heart attack the first time he played he hit play?
@PRSOne
@PRSOne 10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam I don't think he has the time to do the audio for the show, I'm pretty sure someone else does.
@anguswrench
@anguswrench 7 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for these videos man. still helpful 4 years later to someone that is trying to delve further into production and engineering!
@TheVarietyGroup
@TheVarietyGroup 11 жыл бұрын
everytime i hear his voice like this, i want to blame the videographer because Dave is an excellent engineer lol
@chopituprecords3004
@chopituprecords3004 9 жыл бұрын
Hahaha..explaining compression ratio is alil tricky...I been watching you for years love your videos, keep up the great tutorials... Much respect
@andybusuttil818
@andybusuttil818 7 жыл бұрын
Good on you Dave. A kind and generous tutorial.
@AlexCBrandon
@AlexCBrandon 9 жыл бұрын
Useful info and Dave imparts gold that he doesn't have to. But do my ears deceive? Audio starts panned hard right and slowly moves to center? :) Bless the "hey guys, I'm not perfect. No one is.." aspect of Pensado's Place.
@tomlarson4405
@tomlarson4405 9 жыл бұрын
It's funny that on a video about audio compression that there is such a wide disparity in volume between the speaking and the music track. I had to constantly turn the volume up and down to get through this. Ironic...
@politicsequalsgarbag
@politicsequalsgarbag 9 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, lol.
@aspirativemusicproduction2135
@aspirativemusicproduction2135 9 жыл бұрын
I was listening with headphones and got trough pretty well.
@Hexspa
@Hexspa 8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Larson It's by design. He's letting you experiment with manual compression to drive the point home.
@whyaskmenoely25
@whyaskmenoely25 8 жыл бұрын
Riding the fader so to say hahaha
@thevisi0naryy
@thevisi0naryy 8 жыл бұрын
+whyaskmenoely25 lmao
@Gettin_chunky
@Gettin_chunky 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are awesome. Please never stop making them
@TimKaseyMythHealer
@TimKaseyMythHealer 9 жыл бұрын
I had a major breakthrough in mixing, and thought I would share it with everyone. I did live mixing back in the 80's, and have played as a musician in a few bands. I got back into mixing/recording around the year 2,000. Enough background, now onto the really simple mixing template that can get you into a great mix quickly. Place a compressor on all tracks, and have them all set to a 2:1 ratio... turn the threshold down while the track is in solo mode, pay attention to the 'feel' or 'vibe' of the track as you turn your compression ratio down. Do this to all tracks. place a second compressor on the final L/R output, and make sure it is set to limit, brick wall, at the last 1dB before clipping. Now start mixing. You may end up with something completely different (more or equivalent compression) as this, but this start point mixing template will have you experiencing a good mix quickly. Once you have something that sounds relatively decent, and you are about 30 minutes into the mix, render that mix. A really important vibe will be captured, and you can use this as reference when you're into your 3rd, or 4th hour of mixing.
@artemfedotov4209
@artemfedotov4209 9 жыл бұрын
+Tim Kasey I would use 1-2 db mix buss compression as a template, but not further. Because, as for me, not all tracks need compression at all.
@TimKaseyMythHealer
@TimKaseyMythHealer 9 жыл бұрын
Artem Fedotov I made that comment January 19th, 2015. Truth be told, I (as well as others) need to include the way the tracks were recorded. I didn't have an opportunity to add any compression during the tracking process, and this should have been stated. Most pro mixing engineers are going to receive tracks that have been compressed, and that is why they barely need any compression while mixing.
@ryanblackgolf
@ryanblackgolf 11 жыл бұрын
Dave thank you so much for taking out the time to do this for us. It really does help out a lot!
@WDNFSandbox
@WDNFSandbox 11 жыл бұрын
Great as always. The thing about Dave is he makes me feel like I can do it just as easy...even though I can't.....
@ShawnChristmas
@ShawnChristmas 10 жыл бұрын
well explained! this has always been really confusing to me
@c0m3tom3mami
@c0m3tom3mami 8 жыл бұрын
True there's so much to learn and experience!!!
@Ayokalyb
@Ayokalyb 8 жыл бұрын
I heard your mic move from point A to point B at the start of the video. It sounded like panning. Lol.
@Thysta
@Thysta 3 жыл бұрын
These are the important things about compression and not to always get the newest fanciest plugin. Great videos Dave thank you!
@artao5
@artao5 10 жыл бұрын
Dude, you've got AWESOME videos, and you do a great job of explaining things. I've been making music for years, but never bothered with mixing/mastering .. largely because I didn't understand it. You're really helping me understand it, and I'm totally hearing the difference in my tracks. ... I'm watching other vid sources too, but yours are some of The Best!! Thank you! =]
@JBWebadas
@JBWebadas 7 жыл бұрын
This was actually a good ratio & threshold tutorial for beginners
@AJMILITIA
@AJMILITIA 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent teacher.
@sandythomas2665
@sandythomas2665 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your videos Dave. Thank you for sharing your wisdom!!
@Jbdoster
@Jbdoster 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, you're the best.
@codiewaldvogel3046
@codiewaldvogel3046 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking your time to do all these tutorials Dave, your the best!!
@KayMuller
@KayMuller 11 жыл бұрын
I feel like a person that finds Pensado's found something that will weather. I have never met Dave but I like Dave.Thanks again KPM
@jarcau_vegan
@jarcau_vegan 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dave 👌🍀
@bhargavdobhal5327
@bhargavdobhal5327 10 ай бұрын
Thank You Mr. Dave Pensado 🙌🙌Ver Helpful Video🔥🔥.
@jtpinnyc
@jtpinnyc 10 жыл бұрын
I like to think of ratio as gravity and threshold as the ground. Any signal above the threshold is pulled back down to earth (the threshold) by gravity (the ratio). The higher the ratio, the stronger the gravity.
@BasariStudios
@BasariStudios 9 жыл бұрын
Actually in reality is different, the higher the gravity is weaker.
@quanathan
@quanathan 8 жыл бұрын
+Basari Studios TV shutup
@LearntoLovetheWord
@LearntoLovetheWord 8 жыл бұрын
+jnyc That's a good analogy... so if I'm following, 2:1 would be like jumping on the moon. 3:1 jumping on earth, 8:1 jumping on Jupiter...
@nostalgiavault1526
@nostalgiavault1526 11 жыл бұрын
I love my 160 XT, specifically on kick and rap vox, and dave makes me appreciate it more!
@TheRavenCrowes
@TheRavenCrowes 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing these series of videos....
@ikbuhguhphonk
@ikbuhguhphonk 11 жыл бұрын
"Anyway, look it up! You guys gotta do some work, too!" - Apart being a funny thing to say in such a video, this is probably the best advice one could get anyway- go and do it. Lol. I like his mind.
@franciscomoralesmusic
@franciscomoralesmusic 11 жыл бұрын
How come such a genius like Pensado can be so funny....!!!! for a moment made me think... mmm are you sure? jajaja! but I know... You are the Best! Bless!
@jeroenfigee
@jeroenfigee 8 жыл бұрын
Stillwell-audio made MajorTom, which was modelled after the DBX160. I love that compressor. They are the company that made Rocket & vibe-eq.
@drafeirha
@drafeirha 10 жыл бұрын
i never really understood ratio on compressors. now i do, thanks for that!
@jarrydee2799
@jarrydee2799 9 жыл бұрын
wow, as long as I have been using compressors by ear, I finally GET the ratio better. Low ratio can bring UP the lower stuff and make the higher stuff tame. When you take the threshold higher, it starts to even the whole thing out into one dynamic range...I can picture small and capital letters all starting to become capital letters as the ratio is increased...or i'm just retarded,,,lol anyway..thanks Dave!
@joeyxl3456
@joeyxl3456 11 жыл бұрын
you're great Dave. thanks so much.
@LoganMartinsChannel
@LoganMartinsChannel 11 жыл бұрын
Finally! Been waiting for these to come back!
@HOUSTONPSYCHO
@HOUSTONPSYCHO 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video friend. Just bought softubes native VC bundle and dbx 160 from waves cheers.
@TheCluelessAF
@TheCluelessAF 11 жыл бұрын
If you guys compiled all "into the lair" episodes together ... You gonna get a great 3-4 hour lecture video of bit and pieces regarding all you need to know about audio mastering ... For those enthusiasts or beginners, this is a real source of your research and a great start to improve your skill further. If you are pro, well stuff that Dave said will teach you a thing or two even more. :)
@VincentMusolino
@VincentMusolino 11 жыл бұрын
Subtractive EQ goes before compression; additive EQ goes after compression. The logic is that you don't want to bring up (through compression) something you don't like (the offending frequencies). Once you've cleaned up the sound and made it coherent and "tight" (through compression), you can safely boost your frequencies of choice.
@JonnyWinston
@JonnyWinston 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, dave, dave.....Awesome guy . Character
@reverendgroove
@reverendgroove 11 жыл бұрын
That make sense to me, different applications would require fundamental differences in design. Thanks
@brycesalvatore8581
@brycesalvatore8581 10 жыл бұрын
You're the man Dave, awesome lesson, thanks so much!
@michaelsolano8733
@michaelsolano8733 10 жыл бұрын
Bravo sir, fantastic explanation!
@jonnyidle
@jonnyidle 11 жыл бұрын
@radioloud I recommend you record some automation with the channel volume fader first and get the general volume to sound even that way, then you can send the output if that channel to a bus (group) and put the compression and other effects on that. It is very useful for fine tuning odd words that may be a little too quietly recorded too
@rickspyder1
@rickspyder1 11 жыл бұрын
Limiters are designed to have a faster and more transparent attack time in general where as classic comps are designed to produce a specific shape
@EmilianoCaballeroFraccaroli
@EmilianoCaballeroFraccaroli 11 жыл бұрын
As always, brilliant!!
@YEEYAYmendez
@YEEYAYmendez 10 жыл бұрын
i like how this guy is all about mixing and engineering and then the audio is only in the right speaker
@Wolfie99
@Wolfie99 11 жыл бұрын
Cheers Dave. Informative and encouraging as usual.
@joshuachan9531
@joshuachan9531 10 жыл бұрын
This cleared up alot for me! Thank You
@Sound8VisionVibe
@Sound8VisionVibe 10 жыл бұрын
So it was that simple huh....wow! thanks man!
@JemileDancer
@JemileDancer 11 жыл бұрын
thank you Dave and the Gang this is a great tutorial .....i've again learned a lot here
@thecobrasong2508
@thecobrasong2508 10 жыл бұрын
always a little worrying taking advice off a guy on sound who cant get video sound right...
@calvinlanz7046
@calvinlanz7046 10 жыл бұрын
haha he was just changing it up a bit ;)
@PRSOne
@PRSOne 10 жыл бұрын
That'd be a mistake. He's far too busy to do the sound on his show. You might want to look into who exactly he is.
@calvinlanz7046
@calvinlanz7046 10 жыл бұрын
was a joke..........
@screamingsixties
@screamingsixties 10 жыл бұрын
if you dont know who he is, stfu. the dude has got nothing to prove anymore. take it or leave it.
@barontaron9385
@barontaron9385 7 жыл бұрын
THE COBRA SONG you little complaining inconsiderate piece of shit get the fuck out of here
@modali7685
@modali7685 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Dave, but I have to know - was the surprise volume a real world demonstration on why compression is important?
@flexsolar9359
@flexsolar9359 6 жыл бұрын
Wow it took my 2 year to get this down but yes the rule of put in an EQ before the compressor, for the simple fact of the environment hose the Peaks where the recording is happening so tame those environmental Peaks are priority for more direct sound
@SanctuarySound
@SanctuarySound 11 жыл бұрын
Dave is awesome!! "Infinity to 1, or is it 1 to infinity? Well look it up, you guys gotta do some work yourselves" He is in my top 3 fav engineers.
@YEARGHHHHHHH
@YEARGHHHHHHH 10 жыл бұрын
RIP earphone users when the song comes in
@cholkymilkmirage4984
@cholkymilkmirage4984 4 жыл бұрын
5 years later and you saved my ears. thankyou
@RussellFeatherstone
@RussellFeatherstone 3 жыл бұрын
Just saved my ears 6 years later
@bentravis9383
@bentravis9383 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Informative and encouraging, thank you.
@39PlYR
@39PlYR 9 жыл бұрын
Great Video!
@aarona.dubzperson8245
@aarona.dubzperson8245 10 жыл бұрын
GENIUS.... SHEER GENIUS!!!!
@JohnxLenard
@JohnxLenard 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Love your videos
@kevwritemeasong
@kevwritemeasong 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the more in depth explanation! :)
@eric_erock434
@eric_erock434 7 жыл бұрын
great video! still helpful
@Barefoot67
@Barefoot67 11 жыл бұрын
thanks Dave, you're the man!
@metalzone2000
@metalzone2000 11 жыл бұрын
man, thank you for this vid! I always have a really hard understanding exactly how a comp works. I think you gave quite a bit more info into the situation.
@CA000000000
@CA000000000 11 жыл бұрын
The ITL's are Dave's break from mixing ;-) Great video Dave as always...Many Thanks :)
@victorcoyenn
@victorcoyenn 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AlexNiedt
@AlexNiedt 11 жыл бұрын
No, a ratio of 3:1 means that if your input is 3 dB over threshold, the output is 1 dB over threshold. Your level is knocked down 2 dB. So if, at a ratio of 3:1, you set your threshold at -30dB, and your signal hits -12dB (18dB above threshold), you divide 18dB by 3, giving you 6dB, so your final output is -24dB.
@JakeLewisReal
@JakeLewisReal 4 жыл бұрын
A ratio of 1:Infinity would be gnarly lolol
@petercutler3136
@petercutler3136 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@tamirke74
@tamirke74 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@bloodaid
@bloodaid 11 жыл бұрын
great video.
@trashhumper
@trashhumper 11 жыл бұрын
Also, what an epic chair you got there man! ;)
@chrisbanks6506
@chrisbanks6506 8 жыл бұрын
Audio in the beginning of the video is coming out my right speaker only. I also heard the engineer click something that stereo'd the audio mix of this video soon after. What happened there?
@infinagon
@infinagon 3 жыл бұрын
The ratio went waay higher than I expected before it fully lost the feeling. I thought about 10:1 but, to my ears, complete squash happens around the 50:1 mark
@osands
@osands 11 жыл бұрын
You should do an ITL on using the outboard gear in your setup. For instance how do you capture some bricasti verb on a track. Take us through that process. Its always about stupid plugins. Or even just give us a studio tour of your outboard and tell us what you use what on etc. All this ITB ITLs and NOTHING ever about outboard! :)
@carlpowell0
@carlpowell0 11 жыл бұрын
compression is one of the hardest things for me to hear im just starting out mixing but i will get there. its really easy to hear on drums but on other instruments like guitars i swear i can hear it doing anything
@jackieeethepwner
@jackieeethepwner 9 жыл бұрын
You're my favourite man
@StevePhoenix
@StevePhoenix 11 жыл бұрын
If you look behind the computer screen you can see a main monitor. Could be a replacement for the KRKs and NS10s.
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