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When I said Har Ganeth, I meant Hag Graef. Got mixed up.

deceivers need to have a random cult revealed whenever an army is defeated in battle to simulate the lord being interrogated. I think that'd make the campaign feel very high risk very high reward because your armies are in theory invincible, but if they get caught out you'll basically lose an entire settlement.

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For all the problems with WH3, it's worth crediting them for creating a lot more parity and decent factions/unit types in the game.

"The High Elves in Warhammer 2 were arguable one of my favorites." ... "Wait, they definitely were one of my favorites, who am I arguing with?" Lmao

I personally think Yvresse is S-tier fun-wise. The mistwalkers in Eltharion’s army are just incredibly strong and tactically fun to play with. Plus, Eltharion decked out with speed items and skills and banners just streaks around the battlefield on Stormwing. I’ve hit 250 speed with a few dynamo (5 charge bonus and 10% speed for lord’s army) nobles in the army.

Clan Angrund is now actually pretty dang fun now that they fixed his Eight Peaks reward. He is also fairly strong if you can take out the Skaven, Vampires and Beastmen to your West right from the start, because afterwards he'll have a very safe and rich position. Which is unlike the rest of the dwarves who are constantly surrounded by enemies.

Here’s an idea for a challenge: Eat the World. You and another play play as Taurox and Skarbrand. Whoever has destroyed the most armies and settlements after 100 turns win!

Love your tier-list videos Legend! This is where you truly shine!

NOW THIS IS THE TIER LIST I WAS WAITING FOR

i had fun with teclis recently where i basically took out kairos, then booked it to the eastern colonies and took over that, from there i basically used sea lanes to travel to cathay, lustria, and ulthuan and captured islands and such from chaos/undead enemies. it was pretty fun sailing around and helping order (which is teclis' entire thing) i wish he had some mechanic that played into that to help him get around easier. also his climate suitability is sooo bad, i wish he at least had temperate habitability. I was in no way very strong but had millitary alliances with everyone and took out their threats for them so the order tide was op.

Love the tier lists. So fun to watch or even listen to.

You make some excellent points in this video. You're absolutely right about Teclis's start position and the WHII races in WHIII.

You have no idea how much these tierlists mean to me Legend. Even though i only play warhammer 2 right now while waiting for a sale for the third one. These videos still really help me be up to date for when i eventually try the third game one out. Sure while this one might be more subjective and less important than the other tier lists perhaps, fun is still a very important factor in a game in my opinion! Thank you for these videos!

I personally put Ice court on S tier. A lot of people complain about it being a hard startpos, with attacks from all sides. This is why it's fun, the campaign forces you to make tough decisions, and the difficulty, while steep, is perfectly manageable if you know what you're doing. It also makes for an interestingly different campaign, where you spend a lot of it not painting the map, but instead trying to consolidate your home area. I probably played the Ice court more then any other warhammer 3 faction.

This is amazing, i was gonna ask on a recent livestream who were your "most fun factions" rather than a strength ranking but i didnt feel right with everything thats been happing, lo-and-behold here is a better answer than i could have hoped for!

It is refreshing to have a video from you that is about gameplay, and comments about gameplay. You taught me so much about the game over the years and I really appreciate these types of videos.

I kinda feel Daniel could do with an actual research tree as well as his current stuff. Sure HE’S strong, but his armies, although varied, don’t get amazingly buffed. One of my favourite things is researching stat upgrades for units, and I feel even a small research tree would add that fun option beyond the dedication buffs. Not to mention researching upgrading army abilities. Seriously, the Khorne one hurts more than helps, and mid/late game with the Slaanesh buff let’s you seduce with a 1300 budget. A proper tech tree would really help the faction I think tbh, warriors of chaos get a mixed one when undivided, why not undivided daemons?

I liked before even watching. Been looking forward to this for so long!

Awesome, just what I needed! Thanks and keep it up :D

Perfect, i was wondering what i should try next

I've been catching up on your livestreams so I totally understand where this tier list is coming from lol it's pretty amazing how every stream you have people asking you to play certain factions or LLs and you have to keep explaining why you don't want to play them

Didn’t expect Vampire Coast to make it to A tier. One of my favorites is Noctilus. I play with the IE expanded mod so there are more oceanic and island territories to take.

Lokhir Fellhart is a very fun campaign! He's pretty good for migration campaigns, and can really conquest anyway he wants!

I really enjoy your tier list videos! It might not be your cup of tea but it would be interesting to see some tier lists from previous games like Rome 2 and Attila

I absolutely loved the first time i played Nagarythe and realized i had an ambush attack stance like the beastmen. Had me doing so many more battles just because the ambushes were so satisfying. Plus its just so anti elf up there with all the hostile factions surrounding him. My favorite tho is still eltharion simply because i like the double front scenario adding a challenge.

I find Belegar's campaign the most challenging and fun out of all Dwarf lords. The struggle to retake back their home reminds me a lot of the LOTR Balin's expedition to Khazad Dum. Also, the Bugman Rangers are one of my favorite units in the game.

Nice to see a tier list based on fun! I thought about doing this for a while but I'm not a streamer, lol.

It's a good morning, another teir list!

Idk how your tier lists actually perform statistically speaking but they are my favorite types of videos you make honestly

The ultimate tierlist is here atlast love you man

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Thanks! I haven't given some of the higher tier ones a try in WH3 yet so I'll use those as a recommendation.

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Khalida has the best climate suitability.Get suitable mountain just like Khatep and gets both jungle and savanah. Probably the best option for world conquest

Ngl mate and idk why but ever since you started making tier lists years ago I get more excited about them then any other video on KZfaq and I'm subbed to like 200 people Side note, any chance of a medivil 2 tier list? :D

The only tier list I needed

Love the tier lists

This is the tier list I've been waiting for! I have so little time to play, so when I do. I prefer it be fun. I get everyone's taste is a little different but this is a great baseline.

"This is a race that I very.... got a lot of problems with, I very rarely touch them" - Legend of total war

Khorne and the Skaven DLC trio are right where they belong. They are just the best and funnest campaigns you can have to just derp around and have a good ol' time and win in the process. Love the tier list and this is probably your best list ever, and most important one too. Fun factor is more important than raw power. Though power can make things fun like in the case for Khorne, Taurox, the Skaven DLC trio, and Drazhoath.

Thanks for another great tier list! I have owned WHIII since release but hadn’t gotten a good chance to start up a IE campaign until this week. I went with Karl and… phew! It is a rough start! After this vid I might switch to a Tryion campaign as a warm up first!

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Thats the tier list i was waiting for, fun is the most important thing for a game.

nice video, i love tier lists !

FUN-tastic Tier List. Very Powerful! Go Legend

Well, your enormous trove of experience with the game definitely adds weight to your list. I absolutely agree that the starting location and enemies really makes a huge difference. You want to have to make some critical decisions about who you expose yourself to without feeling backed against the wall (unless it suits the faction and playstyle). Kha "infinite missile" lida is a boss. "You find out stuff about yourself I guess" xD. Absolutely! To find that the dark elves are my favourite faction was a shock.

I find Dark Elves much more enjoyable after latest tweaks to their slaves mechanics, public order is not such an issue anymore (at least on very hard) and rushing buildings is pretty fun and addictive mechanic, i miss it when playing as other races now.

Love playing Nakai the Wanderer, Love just making blessed armies and letting them rampage.

Well, here's something unexpected for you. I completely agree with this list at this stage of the game. Thanks for the video!

The warriors of chaos dlc has really done some great work for the chaos factions it is by far my favorite dlc of all dlc from the whole triology

3 minutes in. Take a shot every time Legend says "as for" and die.

I just finished a demon Prince campaign focussed to tzeentch, with the master of fates outfit. It was a difficult but engaging campaign. You had to really plan your campaigns ahead. And prepare the correct armies for who you face. The sheer amount of units gave me option paralysis 🤣

Belegar is so fun!! Lead your people across the desert like stunty moses. Also drycha is the most fun... smoke doobies and heal the forest with an OP army

As someone who has never played the Khorne campaign because I thought the exact things you did about how I would like them... I will have to give em a try.

Honestly it really changes with how many hours you put in to total war games. After a few thousand hours between the historical and fantasy games my taste for what interests me has changed quite a lot. Found myself really liking Isabella and stacking vampires in one strong overly condensed army; or having Blathasar flying around raining doom as one tactical piece to overcome the odds. Khorne is up there because 3 armies vs 20 and still winning due to micro managing mayhem is just dope as well. A lot of the other factions just fall very flat unfortunately after so many hours in to the same franchise.

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Without having actually played it, I figured The Deceivers would be a great faction for co-op. You don't take any settlements away from your ally/allies and even improve them with symbiotic buildings. Additionally, since you can teleport anywhere in the world with Rifts and don't need to really defend anything, you can go support your ally directly no matter their starting location. But yeah, they're less fun solo if you want a true challenge.

Order of Loremasters is higher than I expected. Thanks for the video!

I really do enjoy playing as Archaon, his faction effects make you feel like a proper Everchosen uniting the Forces of Chaos to bring the End Times.

“Babe wake up, new Legend tier list just dropped….yup that’s right. Found another one I’ll randomly be watching repeatedly for the rest of the year”

I admit I am an unredeemable Empire player (Karl, Volkmar, Balt and Wulf in that order) but also the SFO and Mixus, South Realms and Marienburg Mods. Wood and High Helves are coming second. I had a lot of fun with characters like Oxyotl and Yuan Bo. Finally I had a blast of a time playing the Mods for “Vampire” : Nagash and Blood Dragons

Really enjoyed this, makes me want to jump into a new campaign. Its a fun tier list because its totally subjective but gives me some suggestions to play different factions within a race. Having 100% Warhammer 2 with very hard campaign and hard battles I want to try and do the same with 3 over time, so ill defiantly try some of the higher rated campaigns I haven't played yet. Was a bit disappointed with the chaos dwarf campaign, the heroes were great but didn't like the cap mechanics and how long it took to get higher units. Maybe i'm playing Lizard boys wrong because I really didnt enjoy the campaign i did in Warhammer 2, maybe I need to give them another go.

For the most part I agree with this tier list of yours Legend,

Yes, more tier lists!

Loved this Tier List! It's great that you go into what's your opinion. Could you maybe also do one on e.g. visuals (what is the coolest looking faction/spell), music (which faction has the best soundtrack/battle music) et cetera.

you know what i really like that content!

Babe wake up, Legend posted a tier list

Nice video thanks! Would be nice to get a chart showing all of the different play styles for the factions/lords. As a new playing it’s very overwhelming looking at a huge list of lords that you don’t know much about! E.g. If I wanted to play a ranged army, which lords/ladies would you advise? Same goes for all different play styles I guess. I’m wanting to find a Caster that can summon creatures to fight for me, whether ability of item based summons would be nice. Many thanks. :)

14:40 missed opportunity to say this in skaven voice "DIE-DIE" xD

Will be nice to see the new ones with the dwarfs and empire being much more fun now!

"Makes you feel like a khorne worshipper. Im not" yes yes all hail the horned rat

The shadow king aka pimp master 5000 is by far my favorite high elf. But by god I wish ranged lords without mounts could fkin hit their targets with some consistency.

Loved the "Who am I arguing with?" when you tried to explain your subjective enjoyment.

Hey Legend, do you have any plans to re-visit some of the older, less in-depth campaign reviews that you did? I.e some of the first ones are roughly 3-4 min long whilst the later ones are 10+ min. I absolutely loved the series =)

Finally the only objective and totally correct tier list.

YES, I LOVE TIER LISTS

I'm glad I'm not the only person that likes Throgg. Playing a modded all troll armies campaign, so very fun.

For me the entire southern half of the map (except Oxyotl) is a tier lower than it otherwise would be, simply because anyone on that half of the map will have to contend with Kairos' inevitable empire, but Teclis definitely has it the hardest, so I agree with your assessment there. Oxyotl gets a pass because the land is useable for him and gets to fight Kairos early, while the Chameleon stalkers still counter most of the Tzeentch units.

I can understand the disappointment with Nurgle but I did find it funny that it's actually my 2nd or 3rd favorite faction. I think part of it is the lore but also I really enjoy the healing and Chosen of Nurgle. That combination is a grind to get to but so rewarding. Madam Cylostra is actually my favorite Lord to play as with a fun faction and great lore of magic.

Finally a truly unbiased objective tier list 🤣

Best Tierlist so far.

Damn, i didn't thought we had so much in common. Our prefrences are pretty the same. With two exeptions, i like Cylostra and Kalida a lot. The Kav based Army of Kalida is so much fun.

I got Nakai done everyone said it sucked but I loved it. Not managing cities was a nice change.

I love making an army of goblins with Skarsnik. Being able to make the night goblins the elite little insane fellas they are is fun. Also squig hoppers

The nurgle case is on point. I can't agree more with you on that. Really, REALLY want to like him but I'd rather play Festus

I had a blast playing poxmakers of nurgle once I got past their initial major disadvantage. Guess I’m insane…

Interesting that you appreciate Belegars campaign so little. I think the task to retake the capital and struggle with the early economy debuff is amazing, strong opponents nearby makes this a real challenge and quite entertaining imo. Good video otherwise, I can agree with most of the other takes.

My S tier is shorter and I added one TODAY because I didn't play with this faction before: Dazhoath the Ashen. SO MUCH FUN! My other favorites are Ikkit Klaw, Taurox and Grom the Paunch. Each one completely unique and imho the 4 make for the top design CA achieved while also having MANY cool units to watch destroying others in bloody combat.

This is honestly the most important tier list for IE - if you’re not having fun in a singleplayer campaign you need to rethink your life choices

Banger of a video

Mr. Legend I need your help. I am losing my legion of chaos campaign. There are dwarves everywhere. It feels like none of my units (most khorne) stand a chance against these little bearded men. What counter dwarfs best? Am open to any suggestions.

Hey Legend, any idea of when we could get an Immortal Empires defeat trait tier list? There's so much to consider, and what with being able to save and load lords, seems like it's more possible than ever to create amazing one man doomstacks out of generic lords!

I wish you linked to some kind of final JPG of these results, so I can really study them up close. Thanks!

Disagree about Crone Hellebron. Her campaign is incredibly fun because it has a challenging start with Valkia, Sigvald, etc. all coming for you. If you take too long to get to Ulthuan, then the high elves band together and head for you, too. It's a race to see who destroys whom first. Plus, it's AMAZING on multiplayer campaign mode. Super challenging.

18:40 @LegendofTotalWar You rooted there for the new Nurgle faction. How would you rank it now with Tamurkhan for your fun ranking?

My most recent empire campaign in WH3 went very smoothly. I completely changed my tactics around and just sat about restoring - constantly - my electors' territory. I refused to confederate anyone until I was CERTAIN I could defend that territory. I played the campaign very defensively. While I have several armies, they are mostly "defensive" in their composition, mostly spearmen and crossbowmen (b/c they can fire OVER the walls) with very little in terms of gunpowder or cavalry. They're really just meant to defend walled cities, and they're quite strong at that, especially when you add in a couple of mortars. I don't think my Imperial Authority has dipped negative once this entire campaign. Just have to be very picky about what to build and when, what to recruit and when, and when to engage (to keep losses low so foreign soil regen keeps you topped off). The last place you wanna be is helping an elector and your army sitting at around 25% manpower, because you'll die. Empire is ABSOLUTELY not geared to be played in the say was as something like Beastmen or Archaon.

Quick question for the skaven master: Are the skaven not getting any buffs to their magic? I had so many battles as clan moulder with minimal magic reserves while the enemy often had 40 more.

Always enjoy tier lists. How about a few for the OG games, like faction tier list for rome 1 or medieval 2?