The 8 core AMD FX-8350 has a geekbench multicore score of between 2700-3000 which is same as a modern day AMD Ryzen 3 2200G or i3-8100T. Can it handle browsing, light multitasking , MS Office, Chrome with 10 tabs? Sure. No one want's to know that. I think he wanted to show the limit of this processor in terms of bottlenecking modern GPU if someone wants to continue with this processor for a year or two more.

Still runs 60fps fortnite. I also ran fortnite at 120fps in 2018 ish (my rx480 was the limit factor...) 4.5ghz on a msi 970 mobo that had vrams that where boiling... Poor motherboard

@@reggiexp69 yeah you will want some form of cooling on the vrms lol. i had a biostar board for my fx 8350 and it throttled the cpu like mad. had to buy some small heatsinks and aim a small fan towards it lol. still, loved the fx 8350. will play any game you throw at it really

Honestly dude, Phil puts the effort and takes the time to show that an 8 year old cpu with a modern gpu can still hold it's own and won't bottom out; and you have the audacity to say he's a moron? Why don't you go back to asking mommy and daddy for money to buy some skins from Fortnite because this is a grownup video... And I understand if you have to google the word audacity, it's a SAT word and it's a little ahead of your current grade. But don't you worry champ, you will get there one day...maybe...Well, not really with your folks as your home school teachers due to the plague going on. You will be the first 4th grader to buy beer with your teachers at this rate...On the bright side, every village need's an idiot and your future is bright. Moron...

That's kinda the point, in order to know what this CPU is capable of you have to remove all other bottlenecks in a system, which is why it uses a new overkill GPU.

Yea it goes so fast...

I remember when the Pentium 233 mmx came out. I overclocked it to 290mhz.....So I feel really old! lol

@@philscomputerlab Please consider getting an Asrock 990FX Extreme4 motherboard to use with this processor. In my opinion that board represents the end of an era in computing, as it's the most powerful motherboard still supporting floppy drives and with tons of legacy connectivity alongside with modern stuff.

@@zodden01 I remember when my family got our first comp: a 486 DX2 66mhz.... The case even had a turbo button....

@@AColonelPanic wow the good old 486! I think that was in my first PC as a child. It was an IBM clone from a company called Leading Edge. Good times!

Hehe :D

14+++++++++ refresh Skylake.

New stuff is boring. Phil's take on older tech is far more interesting.

a 250 fsb oc is no joke on a fx system ;) helps the single core speed significantly

@@hellbringer09 only if the north bridge was a bit higher

I've got the FX-8370 and it still runs like it did the day I built the system, all be a few other improvments, like SSD, faster ram and a different GPU (blew my last one up)

Ur right bro. Back then decent GPU for this flagship simply doesn't exist.

Same, I'm very happy with my FX CPU, & I don't even have mine overclocked. No clue what my memory speeds are either, so maybe I should look into getting some good ram as I imagine anything DDR3 is dirt cheap now.

that's probably just cause games are better now but you may be right. I've had mine for almost a decade and haven't noticed any reduction in frames while gaming. Then again I haven't bought many new games cause they're all shit, the latest new game I bought was far cry new dawn/red dead 2. Runs as good on those as it does Cod WaW

Me too, but it let me down with cyberpunk. Massive bottleneck. Ryzen 5 3600 is more than enough

@@jorged0712 oh really? That's odd my fx 8350 at 4.5ghz is barely bottlenecking my gtx 1070 in cyberpunk. Maybe in really busy areas I loose around 5 fps compared to the ryzen benchmarks I've watched.

@@damirzlatkic8134 i really doubt that...even in 2015 it was pretty underpowered compared to intel unless ur running 1440p or so where the gpu is bottlenecking factor. However it was a great upgrade for me from the i5 4690K @ 4.8Ghz to the R5 2600 @ 4Ghz cause ive come across bottlenecking my old GTX 1070 in games such as Battlefield 1. Now its paired with the RX 6800 and its a perfect 4K machine (for me and my games)

@@jeremy7249 yeah I hear that's because not many games were programmed to utilise 8 cores back then. Apparently cyberpunk does. My gpu is on 99% utilisation when playing this game. But you gotta understand I have very good ram to pair with the cpu and a sabertooth motherboard I thought I would never get.

@@jeremy7249 I'm playing in 1080p

My current pc has an FX-8350 in it. But it seems to have trouble with some games. Example: It Runs at 60fps 70% of the time then almost rhythmically it drops to like 10. I managed to get an i7-4790k as a gift. Would it be worth it to buy a motherboard for that i7? ps my graphics card is a gtx 1660.

@@Jojokesuke Yes. 4790K is perfect for a 1660. Back then ASUS made the best motherboards. I had a Maximum VII Hero. My buddy owns my 4790K PC now. We play online all the time. Monster Hunter World, EDF5, Nioh 2, Valheim, Baldur's Gate 3, it's been working great for him and he only has 980 Ti.

@@RektemRectums Thank you for the reply!

Oh yes, testing older and second hand (well kept) parts is so much fun. Just got a Quadro K620 with 2GB 128bit DDR3 pulled from a HP computer and it surprised me how fast it is for a Windows XP era games. 👽

​@@antonhei2443 I love testing used pc components more than actually playing pc games. I guess that's why I love watching this man on KZfaq so much, lol.

If you know....I have an fx 8370 and I just got a gtx 1660 off amazon(shipping) and I’m wondering if you think it’s run good, idk if you know but I’m running out of sources

Did all the upgrading (cpu gpu) just for some non alpha game: Star Citizen

phalspar I think the gpu will be held back by the fx8370 just because of how much newer the card is and the potential it has. You’ll definitely get great frames though as the 8370 still has plenty of power

TeqsTV what AM3+ would you recommend? Is there a “top of he line” AM3+ cpu that’ll run the gpu smooth?

phalspar if your motherboard is compatible I’d definitely look at getting a newer Ryzen processors as even the quad core ones have loads more potential and run a lot better with the 1660!

It made me make some very horrified noises.

Why

Because even as experienced builders, a lot of us don't want to use force on our (presumably) new and sparkly motherboards to the extent they flex like that.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that cringed at that, HOLD DOWN THE DAMN BOARD YO

That and progression of graphics has slowed dramatically thanks to consoles being first and pc second.

@@ZeroSpawn I don't think it's console first, and PC second, but more of consoles as a whole having a longer gap between full generational upgrades, the fact that more people then ever are into PC gaming, so if companies want to make money, then they have to optimize their games for the hardware most people are running, plus when you look at it hardware progression while it is improving has really slow down since the 90's - mid 00's, where 4 core CPU's have been the normal for well past a decade, and we are now finally seeing more people on the mainstream side of things shifting to 6, and 8+ core CPU's, plus thanks to the improvements in Linux in recent years with AMD stepping up their open source drivers, you don't need as powerful of hardware to get a decent experience from your computer as days of past.

What sense does it make to spend money on a GPU upgrade on a platform from 8 years ago, with terrible IPC? There's a massive performance delta between an 8350 and a Ryzen 3600/3700X. 7nm is also so much more power efficient than an 8350.

The Glow Cloud /woosh

AMD was ahead of it's time with the FX, problem was they didn't *quite* hit the target. The IPC wasn't quite on par with the Core 2, clocks made up the difference but by then they were competing with Ivy Bridge. They stopped developing the arch and then came Haswell which smacked the FX pretty hard. Had they kept progressing the FX line as originally intended it would have been similar to the Zen cores, quite competitive. A lot of the architectural design plans were fairly similar. Instead they wiped the board and made a new arch using a lot of those planned features.

Exactly right. AMD fine whine in action...

But now it's not worth getting it at all.

@@philscomputerlab #Soon™ :D (Still owning FX6100 & 6300)

Want to know a little secret? My i5 750, x3440 and x3470 are 11 years old and do much better in games, same goes for my 3570k. And they don't stutter! (I own a 8320E)

part of me still misses my gigabyt 990fx ud3 great vrms on them... i ran my 8320 at 4.9 with pumped fsb and ht link at like 2800 and good 2666 mem it slapped around an sandy bridge i7 not just the 2600k...

Bull.. bull, leave, get out of here, full of crap, i hate my CPU it doesnt run shit lol

@@samuelyeet6006mine can run games like the master chief collection and doom eternal max settings aswell, I have this cpu..

the fx8350 might need some oc done but I gotta say even cyberpunk was playable on that monster 😄

@BottleNeck Gaming ok

@@samuelyeet6006 it's no bull, mine runs doom 2016 just fine and the new doom game is practically the same graphically. The only cases where I run into issues is if I'm running a tekkit modpack at the same time as a smaller game like don't starve or Civ

Yeah with 220 W Powersucking.Todays midrage complete system. (R5 2600+GTX1660 =185 W.

same here

@@zlatkoflajpan2918 And a unlocked 10900K runs at about 250W... The 9590 was supposed to scratch the high end and in this performance range, every CPU I know burns a lot of power if you let it.

9370 user here. It's especially great for cold Canadian winters for us in Toronto, it really adds to somewhat suffering heating in our apartment, which is especially great for my feet.

Still rockin my 9590 watercooled crosshair v forrmula z No need to upgrade yet. Amazing it isnt even close to fading.

Well, the current consoles using Jaguar CPUs, which are truly just low powered, 2 Ghz Bulldozers inside. Once the new consoles are out - probably next year - the FX, which is the final iteration of the Athlon64 line, can be finally laid rest...

if it werent for the new instructions like SSSE 4.1 4.2 it be a still good cpu today id gladly use a phenom2 X6 1100T its aging but its still managing quite a few games

@@hardwarechronicles9178 I do still have a Phenom ii X2 550 @ 3.8Ghz on my XP machine. It gets smoked by the core2duo anyway but the phenom has some weird charm, can't really explain it but i still love that 550 :)

@@TheGyuuula Sort of - IIRC, the Jaguar cores are actually independent cores, instead of modules. But yeah otherwise they're pretty similar to Bulldozer.

@@hardwarechronicles9178 The FX series does support SSE 4.2

the and FX 6300 is dog I have it in my PC and it's so slow

Not true 8 core though

Problem is that even when you choose to optimise your game for this one particular Cpu, you are going to have a really bad time because it will require you to do so on a really low level. The CPU has 8 true cores but that's just it. Nothing else. Every other core shares all resources with neighbouring core including bus, FPU, L1 and L2 cache, which results in severe bottleneck when one of the cores in the pair gets fully loaded, leaving the other with no resources to work with. You can overcome this problem by overclocking FSB but it still barely allows the CPU to utilize it's full potential.

​@@fatale8639 The 6300 was released in 2012; its a fucking dinosaur! I don't really know what kind of performance were you expecting from that CPU in 2020...

I have fx 4100 still now paired with gtx 950. Modern games are quite playable !!

LOL

and so BIG fans!

LOL *cries in excessive heat* My 8350 under load makes my case hot enough I could re-heat my dinner on it if I was too lazy to go down stairs, I wish that were an exaggeration but it's true, I have done it before.

@@butwhole9704 Indeed, I have an 8320 overclocked to 4.7 at 1.57V and it does run quite toasty in the 50-60C

not fair! thats a 9750 joke lol

Yeah it was amazing to see the FX being recommended spec alongside the latest and greatest from intel.

I bought a 8350 in 2013 specifically for BF3. Had a Phenom X4 965 with a 660GTX GPU that was bottlenecked and running 95%-99% CPU With the 8350 it went down to about 40% CPU tops Still have the same setup, don’t play anything modern but it get 250-300FPS on CS:GO

@@South_0f_Heaven_ Having your CPU run at 100% is nothing bad per se.

@@2manygamestoplay as long as you have appropriate cooling for your cloockspeed. that's why it's best to test your overclocks with Prime95 because if it can handle that for at least an hour then you should be good.

@@2manygamestoplay well it will take a while to access when of your background tasks and it could cause the game to crash when Accessing background tasks

Nice!

My X2-4400 is up and running still as a file server for the media player.

i used to have a x2 4800 i think back in 2008. for a month. it was so bad i upgraded again to a core2duo right after

You upgraded to an FX? You poor soul. My thoughts are with you. Ryzen is so cheap and great performance wise you must feel ripped off.

@@Innosos not everyone in every country can afford ryzen

Mine was always the best in winter ;)

10F good that it wasn't 10Celsius

Lol I can achieve the same if I run aida 64 with my core i7 and also furmark in the background on a rx 570

came the intel fanboy... you can still say such nonsense?

I have the space heater as well. At least I can just run an instance of minecraft when I get cold.

Not that interesting when he's done it last least three times before with CPUs from the same family.

Just imagine the same comparison from 1992-2000. “Here we have an AMD Am386 DX at 40 MHz with a math coprocessor from 1992. How does it compare to an AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium III at 1 GHz?”

@@LightStruk I'd still watch that video if he actually did it. That's just me though

@@LightStruk The leaps truly are not what they use to be, back in the late 80's - early/mid 00's far as hardware goes. however on the software side they have been great with many Linux distros like Manjaro, and Mint DE being so good these days.

Try 13 year old! hahahaha. X5470 CPU and RX470 playing PUBG at 1080, and getting Winner Winner Chicken Dinners!

Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years. It does not really have to do with computing power, but rather chip real estate. How many of those transistors can you cram onto a little chip and still have them work properly. It should also be noted that "Moore's Law" has not been accurate for more than 10 years. That is to say, the doubling of transistor count has not happened every two years, but the doubling of processor power has been right about on point.

So true I play all new games on highest settings no prob at all My specs AMD 8350 cpu with wraith cooler 16 gigs of corsair vengeance ram runnin in 26000mhz EVGA 650 power supply ASRock 970 motherboard and RX 580 OC 8gb video card with a WD black hard drive

Q6600

@@toogood1652 try to migrate your system to ssd. You'll thank me later.

@The Monster Under Your Bed Finding is not the problem, the problem is cashing out what is being asked for this CPU!

@The Monster Under Your Bed Definetely. For such an old CPU it's just too pricey.

From 8350 to 3700x is 100% power increase.... it doubles fps in most games.

You should've gave your son a Athlon and a gt1030

@@flyguille I went from fx8350 to 3600x and get at least double performance in games. You are correct. :)

@@aj_stillcranked depends on which athlon platform because there is a lot of athlons and a lot of sockets for them

I use my FX 8350 with a GTX 1070 FE. Yeah, it's a bottleneck. But I got a good deal for the graphics card and upgrading the CPU with a new MB and RAM is expensive. I also game at 1440.

Dude you got a nice Room Heater there lol

Still would be a sizeable beast even today?

Literally from hell

Racerberlin02 the cpu and gpu do get a bit hot yeah 😜🤪👍

.....lets not get ahead of ourselves lol

@@bluescluessuperagent It's true! I run a FX 8350 with GTX 1060 6gb and I run Rust on about 60-70 fps (Now my only problem with that game is that it's RAM that is mostly used for rendering. So My ram is bottlenecking a little. I do have 16gb)

@@eugrow4174 I’m using the FX830 with a 1080 8gb no issues.

@@jego23allan I'm talking about the game I'm using. It uses mostly ram to load in the map and stuff. So I need to upgrade ram for more fps

U should start saving for a Ryzen or intel upgrade it’s going to be worth it in the long run.

I had one of those it kicked ass for me for a long time

Absolutely. I have a Crosshair formula-Z of the same vintage from and it has no trouble with Doom Eternal (which is the only modern game I've had time for).

I have this processor as well (got it free from my friend) and i use radeon RX580 4gb graphics card and works well

same thing, had an fx 6300 and i upgraded to a ryzen 5, the fx wasn't that bad but it was bottlenecking even with a radeon r9 card

even Ryzen is aging like finewine now because games are using more and more cores

I still remember telling my friend in 2015 that amd was gonna make a 32core cpu from a rumor I heard he didn't believe me he was a Intel fanboy

@@smulGIANT probably they gonna do it with Ryzen 11 or something, but uf i recall correctly Threadripper is already done that

Well i3 have 2 cores 4 threads that its why , but 8350 cant get near my old i5 4570, and using 3300x now i can't believe that amd made bit more fps compared to 10100 , 100$ savings and more L3

Computer user: lets buy a octacore. That will be fast. Game developer: lets only use 1 core as long as possible.

@@jjb2962 lol its using 2 cores like 10 years

@Don Johnson I didn't. That's what it was capable of when it was finished.

Don Johnson its not native 4K and in most games it's stuck at 30 fps

I pick up an 4th gen i5 a year or 2 after I built my fx build and tbh I ran the fx in my main rig as it done better in my use case both pcs upgraded now but at the end there the fx was actually holding up better than the i5 it was locked i5 n fx was overclocked but everything just worked better on fx build I guess due to fact it has extra threads any time you were doing anything in background while gaming on the i5 you could feel the drop more but on fx build was less of an isue the i5 was more expensive than the fx at times of purchase as well. That said its one saving grace it was easier to upgrade as just bought a used i7 n dropped it in n job done were as fx 8350 needed motherboard ram and cpu witch cost fair bit more but did get way bigger jump as well

1090t isgt very good now . The lack of instructions really stinks can't play apex ac can't even watch KZfaq any more at least I've noticed

@@amdintelxsniperx True about Apex but I watched KZfaq on a Northwood Pentium 4 last year so I have doubts.

@@amdintelxsniperx The lack of instructions is definitely a negative, but KZfaq? Really? It absolutely can run KZfaq, and a lot of games. I have an 1100T that I play Crisis with.

@@amdintelxsniperx My Phenom II X4 940 still hold up nicely. YouTubing every day since the outbreak. The lack of AVX (as all Phenoms didn't have it) means I can't play The Division 2 and The Crew 2. Sucks indeed.

Phenom cpus share same fate as C2quads.

LOL

How are you the top comment on so many Aussie tech channels @Marco ?

@@carrielam2187 I live in Taiwan which is Perth time. I often comment in Greg's videos but the timing just buries my comment because i wake up too late. I don't really bother commenting in channels like Linus cause i'm certain to get buried. Also most know me through Tech YES City since Bryan and I are friends.

@@MarcoGPUtuber Oh, you were the translator (or something like that) in one of Bryan deal hunting video in Taiwan.

@@MarcoGPUtuber myth busted

why would you think that? the 2600k is 100% a quad core with HT

@@stevesmith1383 mine shows 8

@@christopherfuentes6849 you have 8 threads. Or task manager might say 8 logic cores. Or something like that. Those are not real codes at all. It’s called hyper threading It’s easy enough to google and I’ve owned hundreds of i7-2600 and 2600ks All i7 from the normal line ups were 4 core 8 thread from gen 1 to gen 7. Gen 8 is when that changed. Other than that there were extreme platforms where they were high core count i7s. Like I have one. A i7-5969x. It’s a 8 core 16 thread cpu.

@@stevesmith1383 Um ya now shit Damn bro this went so far over your head nasa is calling it a ufo

@@stevesmith1383 wow talking about missing it all together. Geez.

That's silly overpriced dude...

@@h2oaddict28 the lowest price for just the ram i could find as $89 and all the mobo's are $150 (from china) or higher. To buy new its $90 for cpu $80 for mobo and $60 for ram and that's being really cheap at $230, so $100 cheaper then new. If you think mine was silly just go to ebay for 5 minutes. It even sold with in 20 minutes.....

Very nice...

Same here, it never really missed a beat. I only upgraded because the mobo gave in and finding a replacement was not easy.

Cause it's a God tier CPU, I find it funnnmny how FX's were hated so much when they came out, but they are on a complete other level compared to Intel's offerings at the time.

@@levelup1279 to be fair, Sandybridge CPU's were tanks as well. The 2500k especially is still relevant all these years later. I have one in the family PC with dual 280x's. At 1080p it'll run a 75 hz monitor ALL DAY. Funny thing about the AMD CPU..... You even got a check from the lawsuit all those years later😂. The CPU that pays for itself.

Glad you liked it!

Put new GPU, SSD. Those things you can carry to a new system in the future.

Seeing as he mentioned how used 8350s are selling for over $100 I think you would be better off keeping your Phenom II hexacore and overclock it as much as you can. $100+ is a lot of money to sink into an old system. I'm still happily running an 8350 on a 990FXA-UD3-R5, but I sure wouldn't go out and pay over 100 bucks for an 8350 TODAY.

when 32GB RAM limit is your only perceived 'problem' you know this system is doing good.

Thank you so much 😀

I wish one day I have such a good luck!! Hahaha I always keep my eyes open but haven't yet found nothing good enough...here where I live people don't just throw away good things like in the first world countries!! (Assuming you live in such a place... I live in argentina)

I played heavy, with the stock cooler. Enough said, it broke :/