AMD's New $230 Ryzen 5 7600 CPU | Review & Benchmarks (ft. PBO)

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AMD's New $230 Ryzen 5 7600 CPU | Review & Benchmarks (ft. PBO)

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AMD's new Ryzen 5 CPU is a 7600 non-X, which is cheaper than the 7600X, lower power, and basically has Eco Mode pre-applied. It gets most the performance of the 7600X, but for a lower cost. The closest competition is AMD's own 7600X, then Intel's 12600K, and on the higher side, the 13600K (but that's closer to the R7 7700 in price). We have two separate reviews coming up for the R7 7700 and R9 7900. Testing includes comparisons with PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) on the 7600, making it similar to the 7600X.
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00:00 - AMD's Non-X CPUs
01:19 - Specs, Prices, & Competition
04:00 - Gaming Benchmarks: Far Cry 6 CPU Benchmarks
05:22 - CSGO CPU Benchmarks (AMD vs. Intel for Counter-Strike)
05:40 - Explaining Why The Change Isn't Bigger
07:04 - Final Fantasy XIV Benchmarks
07:48 - Rainbow Six Siege
08:25 - GPU Limitation Benchmark 7600 vs. 13600K
09:17 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider 7600 vs. 7600X
09:44 - AMD's Misleading Power Statements
11:57 - Power Consumption of AMD vs. Intel
13:37 - CPU Energy Efficiency Benchmarks
14:53 - Blender Rendering Benchmarks (Best CPUs)
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@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

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@leod9968 Жыл бұрын

1:31 Could it be possible that the Ryzen 7700 is a 8-core, 16-thread CPU? I see that you described it as an 8-core, 12-thread CPU...

@phillewis1749 Жыл бұрын

I noticed that the 13400F and the 13500, what you would think are the 7600s two natural competitors, are missing from the charts. Are there any plans to include these in benchmarks in the future? Especially considering their core increases over the last gen?

@AlfaPro1337 Жыл бұрын

It's just Zen+++++ with glued cache from now on. Reminds me of Intel.

@yeshuayahushua4338 Жыл бұрын

What is PBO?

@ElFlaAutista 11 ай бұрын

You know ryzen 5 > 7500F Exists?¿ XD is the same of 7 7600X > more cheap :) than the 7 7600 aprox round the 180$/150$ XD....

@jameserwin4892 Жыл бұрын

I truly think the price of the AM5 CPU has nothing to do with the poor sales. It's mostly the MB and RAM and well everything else overpriced to get an AM5 system. You can spend 50% on an AM4 system and get 90%+ of the performance. Once the MB and RAM come down in price to something reasonable they will start selling AM5 CPU at record numbers. It's that simple.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

An extra $100 is no reason to avoid AM5 especially when the 6 core beats last-gen 8 core.

@jameserwin4892 Жыл бұрын

@@BlackJesus8463 that would be right if it's only $100 again that's just the price of the CPU. You are talking a minimum of $350 if you include the MB and RAM. If you buy any quality you are talking $500+ easily if not more. Those are the things stopping people from getting AM5 and not the price of the CPU. AM4 = 50% cost with 90%+ the performance of AM5. Until those prices of the MB and RAM come down you are only buying AM5 if money to value doesn't matter right now. In a year it will be different.

@svn5994 Жыл бұрын

@@BlackJesus8463 $100? Where are you getting a mobo ram CPU combo for $100?

@scottheighton5971 Жыл бұрын

I mean, what you are describing is the total system cost, of which the CPU is a part. So, if you drop the price of the CPU, you make the total system cost a bit more reasonable. Add to that the fact that you can find reasonably-priced DDR5 now (at least in the US you can), and really the only thing that is probably $50-100 overpriced is the motherboard. If you drop the CPU price by $60 (just comparing MSRPs here for the sake of this example), you offset some of that motherboard cost and make the price to adopt the new platform much more palatable.

@scottheighton5971 Жыл бұрын

@@svn5994 he's comparing the cost between platforms, not saying that a CPU+motherboard+RAM would run you $100... 🤦‍♂

@thatboiswoy648 Жыл бұрын

Biggest problem is the current price for mainboards. I mean back when I bought a new CPU for like 250$ you still only had to pay around 80$ for a decent motherboard. Currently you can only expect double the price for the same spec motherboard and pretty expensive DDR5 RAM. So AM4 is still a better pick sometimes.

@sirmonkey1985 Жыл бұрын

production costs are stupid high right now and i think a little bit comes from manufactures learning from am4 with how long the 300 series boards lasted through multiple generations making upgrading boards less important. with how much boards on the AMD side have improved vs when the 300 series launched it's likely the 600 series boards will survive through how ever many generations of cpu's are launched on am5.

@bleack8701 Жыл бұрын

at least with CPUs at this price point when the motherboards drop in price it'll be an easy choice instead of then switching to "motherboards are now well priced, but I'd prefer it if the CPUs got cheaper"

@MiGujack3 Жыл бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 That's just an excuse.

@kashif4463 Жыл бұрын

Is it worth upgrading to the 7600 from the 12400f?

@eh___1449 Жыл бұрын

@@kashif4463 rather upgrade to the 13400 so you only have to update the bios, as it's got 6P+4E

@-__-_-_--__--_-__-_____--_-___ Жыл бұрын

really respect how you're endlessly looking out for the consumer, even to the point of starting with the cheapest and most mass-market appealing cpu of this launch

@NirreFirre Жыл бұрын

not to mention for us Europeans that was hit hard by the US gov money printing decisions.. 7-8 Swedish crowns used to buy a USD, we've been over 11,50 September to November..that's on top of 10-15% inflation rates 😢

@mchonkler7225 Жыл бұрын

@@NirreFirre I told people when they were getting their stimulus checks that it was going to cost them 10x as much in the long run. They didn't care, of course, not like the govt would have stopped printing money even if the people rejected the checks. Making people poor is the goal, easier to control that way.

@Metal94head Жыл бұрын

@@NirreFirre i wish that was the only bad thing the US did to us lmao

@alexanderl9985 Жыл бұрын

@@Metal94head Cope harder

@astronemir Жыл бұрын

@@NirreFirre Swedish Kroner is so weak now that it hurts

@GregSalazar Жыл бұрын

I always love seeing the result of the time, effort, and thought you put into your videos. 🙌

@CaveyMoth Жыл бұрын

Thanks for learning with us.

@crazyguywatchnu Жыл бұрын

Learn or flop? My guess it's was a success

@fridaycaliforniaa236 Жыл бұрын

Greg here =)

@falcie7743 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate GN putting the "expertise meter" before all videos like this. While years of experience don't always mean better quality reviews and content, that is the general trend. It adds a lot to credibility.

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Yeah, main reason we added it too is for our PSU reviews, where we're at just 2 years. Helps set expectations.

@mkoldewijn Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus The consistency is greatly appreciated. We notice all your efforts as a team

@xchronox0 Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus I think this is the most important aspect of it. Letting people know when you have less experience, too. I imagine it'd be too easy to get away with only showing the higher ones. Props to the consistency and transparency.

@mikek5631 9 ай бұрын

Almost 10 months later since the posting of this video and motherboard prices are still outrageous.

@jasonjavelin Жыл бұрын

“This quote is phenomenally stupid in so many ways” This is why I love this channel. No sugarcoating and straight to the point data Also your coasters are sick

@mtunayucer Жыл бұрын

10:23

@ImHaise Жыл бұрын

@@mtunayucer goated

@mtunayucer Жыл бұрын

@@ImHaise thanks fam

@DanielSmedegaardBuus Жыл бұрын

That quote is actually one of the few gripes I have with this videos. TDP and power consumption are completely correlated. There's no other way that I'm aware of for a CPU to dissipate power than thermally. Do your CPUs glow or send out infrared waves? Mine neither. Cooling solutions are completely irrelevant here. Power in, power out, physics.

@Notrelevanthere Жыл бұрын

Gonna sound weird... Lighting on this updated set looks a lot better than the previous videos! Not saying that the previous videos were poorly lit; just that this one stands out much more.

@butterfingersman Жыл бұрын

yeah, the lighting does look great on this vid

@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Andrew and Vitalii did all the lighting work and did a great job. I'll let them know it's liked!

@GregoryShtevensh Жыл бұрын

It's actually an incredible difference you never really noticed was needed until you see it

@wyfyj Жыл бұрын

The camera quality and production quality has dramatically increased. I started watching your videos maybe 10 months ago. I stopped watching tech videos almost 9 years ago or so. After watching your videos while upgrading my PC, I sparked my interest in tech again. Thank you team. There are numerous videos I've watched and glad I did. Not vid is right up my alley, but watching them has never felt like a waste of time.

@alexbenh Жыл бұрын

Great video as always Steve. I would like to request one new chart(s) if possible for future cpu reviews. As you mentioned, gaming rarely maxes out cpu's but Id love to see the average watts per frame across some of your standard games to see gaming efficiency. Even though the 13600k clearly blows past the 7600 when looking at max wattage, Id love to see the actual wattage pulled when gaming and compare wattage to framerate.

@leesanction2068 Жыл бұрын

Healthy competition between AMD and Intel made this possible. If only we can see this in the GPU market...

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

GPU market is the opposite rn. Worst generation i can even remember.

@lightward9487 Жыл бұрын

Mercado de GPU sea más peor que fue a perder siempre pero mercado de CPU sea más mucho mejor que cualquier Porque CPU monstruo si se puede usar 1 wats singifica más rápido de intel que cualquier todos de AMD? Posible dice ese intel tiene más rápido de energía que cualquier AMD no alcanza nunca más complicado

@alouisschafer7212 Жыл бұрын

literally NOT ONE current gen GPU for under 1k makes RX 6800 cards for 500-600€ a good deal. Its that bad... I hope that they will come out in 2023 with a 7700 sku in the 400-500$ range and a decent 7600 and 7500 lineup thats not inflated ewaste

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

@@alouisschafer7212 Hope so, but as it sits if they don't put 10gb+ on the midrange cards, 6800 and 6700xt will remain the best deals in gaming.

@mangaas Жыл бұрын

These PC tech channels are invaluable to consumers. I wish this stuff existed when I was younger, building PC's in the early 2000's. Back then, you were just listening to some old man in a PC parts store, and hoping they weren't lying or exaggerating, then going to another store and comparing prices, lol.

@kidShibuya Жыл бұрын

Its why we all used to buy magazines...

@JohnSmith-oh9ux Жыл бұрын

lmao, you know that "in the early 2000's" internet existed, nevermind tech press etc. ? WTF you on about? xD

@utkua Жыл бұрын

early 2000s ? You had internet back then, benchmarks etc, in 90s it was different, but you had magazines and parts and price listings as advertisements. You would get a sharpie, select the stuff you want from the list, and go to a store and ask for the price, and then do it with another store. ARguably early 2000s were best times for building PCs, prices were reasonable, AMD and Intel compeition was good, GPUs did not require 2nd mortgage.

@JIAroJIy4 Жыл бұрын

I was a teen in 2000's and I had access to internet. Even cutting that out if I wanted to get best bang for my money - I go to the PC store and get a magazine first, which had most if not all necessary information. TL;DR - you tried to compliment them but immediately failed. Sad. EDIT: If Gamers Nexus started posting their reviews on TikTok (in shortened version, obviously) - would you prefer TikTok review from GN compared to KZfaq version of the same review?

@danielh12345 Жыл бұрын

@@JIAroJIy4 No Google (KZfaq) already knows a lot about me and what I like. Not interested in giving the Chinese government my info too. Also, loads of tiktok shorts end up on youtube anyways😅

@MrCHUP0N Жыл бұрын

The commentary around TDP shenanigans is my biggest takeaway from this video--thank you Steve and team for the education as always. As a non-engineer and enthusiast-but-somewhat-stupid participant in computing and gadgets, I always assumed you could estimate the amount of wattage from TDP. (So many videos I see out there about the Steam Deck and handheld computing devices, which talk about TDP, use 15W TDP as a base to estimate battery life, before adding on the screen and fan consumption.)

@Alvin853 Жыл бұрын

The whole power figures need some clearing up, but I also feel like GN has a misconception about TDP. TDP absolutely is power, power comes in many different ways, you can have mechanical power (engine of your car), electrical power (what powers electrical devices), thermal power (transfer of heat from one body to another) and many more. 65W TDP is a number aimed at cooler manufacturers, that they should be expecting to design coolers that can dissipate 65W of heat. So any 65W TDP chip should be able to be cooled sufficiently by the same cooler, no matter what the actual power draw of the chip is. The TDP number will always be lower than the max power draw, for various reasons: Not the entire heat needs to be dissipated by the cooler, some heat from the CPU gets transferred to the motherboard or removed by other means. Also components have a thermal capacity, so if you're having short power spikes, being able to only remove a part of the spike instantaneously is viable, as long as the average heat generated is also removed within a reasonable timeframe. And lastly, safe operating temperatures are increasing, which basically increases the effectiveness of coolers, so a cooler designed for a lower TDP can still cool a higher powered chip if it is allowed to reach higher temperatures. Even a stock intel cooler could dissipate 500W if the temperature difference is big enough.

@terribletimes902 Жыл бұрын

@@Alvin853 Yeah that part was weird. And just because GN called AMD stupid, everyone in the comments thinks Steve is correct here.

@phinicota Жыл бұрын

Yep. While I agree with @GamersNexus that it could be nice to have a comparable electrical power consumption number across brands, I don't think TDP (THERMAL design power) should be tied to Intel's definition (as in electrical power consumed).

@mikeymaiku Жыл бұрын

@@phinicota that means amd has to follow intels terminology, and you know that they cant do that

@-opus Жыл бұрын

if the calculation itself varies, the outcome becomes meaningless for comparisons.

@regeanewolfe1845 Жыл бұрын

About time something affordable and decent took the news, it's been overpriced stuff for a while

@zorb7171 Жыл бұрын

If you ignore the fact that the cheapest mobo costs 150-170€ for am5 yes☠️

@lapz6758 Жыл бұрын

13400f, 13600k, 12400f? Sure, ignore those....

@Wilqu5677 Жыл бұрын

These CPUs aren't affordable considering prices of Mobo and ddr5 ram, Intel all the way at the moment

@monk3y206 Жыл бұрын

Hope GPU could be like this.... Damn

@AsaMitakasHusband Жыл бұрын

Bro just conveniently ignores mobo and ram prices 💀

@cyberwomble7524 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate all the hard work boiling it all down to something digestible - Gog knows how long it took to go through all the testing, let alone the analysis.

@falloutdog5275 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Steve.

@blockbertus Жыл бұрын

Back to you, Steve.

@denys-p Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to have some in-game power tests as well. Quite interesting how much CPU consume in this scenario and see their efficiency

@kutuluu Жыл бұрын

You guys must be the most hard working, dedicated and highest quality content tech channel. Just love the content and lots of respect!

@sipansibabdreddknot5179 Жыл бұрын

hey steve like the background monitor test on the set makes more roomy like a test garage for nerds keep it up!

@bzdtemp Жыл бұрын

My current rig started life with a 3600 which I then upgraded 6 months ago to a 5800x3D. If I was to build a mid-range rig today I would absolutely go for the AM5 platform, being able to upgrade later on by swapping just the CPU is really nice (less ewaste, quick upgrade with no need to reinstall... and cheaper than swapping both mboard and CPU).

@benjaminoechsli1941 Жыл бұрын

Hey, same here! AMD's dedication to the AM4 socket (and it looks like the AM5 socket as well) has been easy on the wallet. Very good.

@yves-sketchpleb Жыл бұрын

Thanks for showing the Warhammer 3 chart, it's still helpful for us newbies or convince our friends why they don't need to spend more money on a certain CPU when they play certain games. Still useful! I wouldn't mind you guys showing us at least 1 game or scenario when there's a bottleneck elsewhere as it helps people like me understand more aspects.

@MattMeNotYou Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the point that slide makes isn't just 'certain games', it's certain settings and other components becoming bottlenecks. You'll see for CPU testing all games are benchmarked at 1080p with a high grade GPU, this is to force the CPU to be the bottleneck so you can see the relative performance difference. If you had a lower spec GPU or ran at a higher resolution, the differences between CPU would likely be marginal (like the Warhammer results) as the GPU starts to become the bottleneck.

@5federline Жыл бұрын

Based on this review, it tells us to buy Intel CPU & Nvidia GPU only. It's easy for you to advise your friends. If AMD CPU let say is 5% - 9% or even 30% slower than Intel in Adobe Premier, by his review it makes AMD CPUs is unable to run that applications. So just spend more money to Intel & Nvidia, No.1 CPU & GPU brands in the world. No need to get headache in making a decision. 🤣🤣🤣

@ytvanced977 Жыл бұрын

I'm exactly what you described at the 9 minute mark. Totally new at this so I really appreciate the explanation. Been watching this channel a lot lately and learning, I'm going to build ($2500 budget) my first system this year. Thank you.

@Gotnatt Жыл бұрын

The new design for these CPUs is pretty interesting! Thanks for the review :)

@thorium9190 7 ай бұрын

“I don’t know what any of that means, here is some money, gaming computer man” - Steve 2023 😂

@Matty-rn5gt Жыл бұрын

The power consumption is interesting as you show the maximum draw under load which makes sense. There is a lot of discussion starting to happen regarding idle power draw as some Ryzen processors won’t go as low as Intel processors when idling meaning the life time power cost might be worse on Ryzen vs Intel. Is this worth investigating?

@swifty3587 Жыл бұрын

Dig the new review/news space. Nice work

@gnovincejr2 Жыл бұрын

Man!!! That background is SWEEEEEEEET!!!! Think I will buy something from your store just because of that! All it takes from me sometimes! 😁

@danjowithbanjo Жыл бұрын

Are review benchmarks posted on the site or anywhere else anymore? Thanks for another review to compare with! :)

@randocrypto1678 Жыл бұрын

1:32 minor correction: The 7700 has 16 threads. Not 12. Even GNs stellar quality control isn’t airtight! Love the work you guys put out.

@Wakka9000 Жыл бұрын

Probably amd name decoder ring confused them more than it helped 🤣

@russellmm Жыл бұрын

I continue to enjoy your channel and reviews over the others. I like your no-nonsense way of doing things. I would like to see Intel's 13th gen show up in your charts with an "eco" mode as well as they are fairly power effiecient when power capped.

@markusz2n Жыл бұрын

Nice, my first time catching an upload within the first minute! 😄

@Jonathan-bi8hr Жыл бұрын

Really excited to see hopefully more competitively priced CPUs from AMD

@jaggsta Жыл бұрын

motherboards $200+ though DOA product.

@lightward9487 Жыл бұрын

AMD si ya sabe que puro CPU de intel más poderosa que GPU

@iaindyer1629 Жыл бұрын

@@jaggsta Can’t expect new gen tech to be the same price as the previous one. 🤦‍♂️

@tessierrr Жыл бұрын

Seeing the x3d so high makes me excited to see the new 7000x3d performance 😁

@jfruelas1 Жыл бұрын

Loving the new background. I watch the screens more than I watch Steve lol.

@Mozilla345 Жыл бұрын

Love the new set in this video! The wall of monitors looks cool.

@madmatt2024 Жыл бұрын

I used the R5 7600 in my build a few weeks ago and have been nothing but happy with the way it performs. One thing I have to say is that if you do go with this CPU, absolutely run the curve optimizer in Ryzen Master. Running Cinebench R23 With PBO enabled, my 7600 was running at 81C at 4.9ghz all cores, and was at its power limit using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin cooler. I set the curve optimizer to "per core" and left the default -30mV offset in place. After it was done, it applied the maximum -30mV offset to all cores. I ran it again, this time with a -40mV offset, hoping to find the undervolting limit of this CPU, it set all of the cores to the limit again. With the -40mV curve applied in the BIOS, temps are now 65C at 5.1ghz on all cores, and it was using 15W less power. I also gained around 300 points in Cinebench. I could push it farther with a -60mV offset or up the boost frequency but I really don't see the need.

@JustGetAHous 10 ай бұрын

Good to know! I just updated to am5 and Im still running the stock cooler. hits 90 with pbo stress testing but never above 80 when playing starfield at 1080 high 50-70fps (2070s, dlss 67%). Still getting a cooler tho, deciding between a thermalright aqua elite or phantom spirit.

@PDJ13514 8 ай бұрын

@@JustGetAHous What cooler did you end up picking? I'm still on the fence if I should get one for my in progress build and then which one I should get

@JustGetAHous 8 ай бұрын

@@PDJ13514 phantom spirit 120SE the reviews were just incredible. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n8d6ddaCtdfcgnU.html for a $35usd cooler. ram clearance is VERY tight so if you have any sort of tall or fancy ram you will lose some performance. the non SE version is taller for more ram clearance, but is too tall for my mid tower.

@twincitiesberrycompany8723 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see the non x SKUs coming out, along with hopefully inevitable price drops. This at $200 within 6 months or so will be great.

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

on a $200 motherboard?

@twincitiesberrycompany8723 Жыл бұрын

@@eclipsegst9419 mobos will likely go down too friendo!

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 they promised that months ago but B boards are all like 150+. Doesn't matter to me anyways, im going 13th gen so i can get 5 more years out of my 32GB DDR4.

@twincitiesberrycompany8723 Жыл бұрын

@@eclipsegst9419 that's a great option. I'll probably go Intel as well this time if I upgrade. But either way I'm thankful both 'colors' exist because the mere competitive presence of the other helps with with price (and development) of my current ecosystem

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 for sure. I just had a zen2 previously. In this case the savings is more if I keep ddr4 and go back to blue again. But I hope they keep one-upping each other! We have gotten more per-core-performance gains in the last 3 years as we did the 10 before!

@Azteca_X Жыл бұрын

Lighting and/or color grading are greatly improved. Good work. Maybe chill out on the background screens - maybe have slow-mo footage, smooth loops... It's much more dynamic than Steve in a way that is distracting.

@bobbyjohn2768 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Gamer Jesus! Appreciate the hard work!

@insect1285 Жыл бұрын

Hi GN - long-time viewer, never commenter. I know you value feedback and read comments: I found the new set background distracting. The moving/sharp transitions of the monitors distracted me. I prefer to be able to focus on the speaker. I think the new set can still work, but consider putting more static images up.

@DipanGhosh Жыл бұрын

Yes. Me as well. Comment here may get lost, worth making a tweet so that Steve notices the feedback.

@insect1285 Жыл бұрын

@@DipanGhosh I don't have a Twitter account. Feel free to send to Steve/GN yourself :) More channels of comment are never a bad thing.

@addictedtoRS Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video GN. I just have one question, why are the 5900X and 5950X not featured in your benchmarks? I would love to see how those CPU's performance match up with other CPU's in a chart like this. Cheers!

@tuomanviii9653 Жыл бұрын

because they still perform very good and are better value for the buck than new stuf. and if you see all that in charts, you won't buy new for more. just marketing

@SnakeMajor Жыл бұрын

I love background You have there Steve :).

@vollhorst140 Жыл бұрын

What up with all the monitor junk in the background? Great review as always!

@chrisruiz3451 Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the video I've been waiting for and I'm also looking forward to the new 3d v cache benchmarks. I still run a 2600x and have been struggling to determine whether I should upgrade my existing build to a 5800x (or x3d) or build a completely new setup. Definitely leaning more towards a complete rebuild later this year for future proofing after seeing the 7600 performance being nearly double that of my existing setup and comparable to the 5800x3d at 1080p.

@lynackhilou4865 Жыл бұрын

True but don't forget that may not be your actual performance if you have a good gpu and play at +1440p , as the gpu is more likely to be the bottleneck , so they may as well have the same performance in many cases in which case just go with what's cheaper

@Dark1984Knight Жыл бұрын

@@lynackhilou4865 This depends heavily on what exactly he is playing. If you are playing games like heavily modded rimworld, factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Space Engineers, Stellaris and so on... no the GPU is most probably NOT the problem if you have at least a current mid-class model for games like Space Engineers. Its CPU and RAM here... and the X3D Processors handle these games pretty well from what I did see, so I am also very much curious about the new generation of X3D ;-)

@sage4670 Жыл бұрын

The whole point of buying amd for "future proofing" is to do drop-in upgrades. You have the chance to do just that by just swapping out your 2600x for the 5800x3d. If you don't take advantage of drop-in upgrades you're losing a lot of money for no reason

@chrisruiz3451 Жыл бұрын

@@sage4670 this is a really cheap build I threw together with what I could a few years ago. Unfortunately if I were to upgrade the CPU, I would want to upgrade almost every component. At that point I'd just like to build something for a little extra with the intent on small, slow upgrades and repurpose what I have. It was never intended to be future proof, just needed to work. Fortunately I'm not short on any ideas for what to repurpose it for.

@lynackhilou4865 Жыл бұрын

@@Dark1984Knight that is true , however a lot of other games are more gpu dependent, and since these tests are generally done at 1080p with high or medium settings using a 4090 , the actual gain in performance might be minimal for some when upgrading

@jordanclock Жыл бұрын

It's pretty impressive to see the 7600 so frequently match or come very close to the 5800X. That's a $230 CPU matching a $450 (MSRP at launch) CPU just one generation later while losing 2c/4t and using around 2/3 the power.

@jaggsta Жыл бұрын

they didn't show stock cooler temps. 7600 has stealth cooler it runs at 95C. 7700 and 7900 runs 78c with wraith cooler according to hardware unboxed.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

@@jaggsta BS. Other channels have them and they're as low as 40 degrees for the 7900 and 50 for the other 7000 mon-x at stock.

@jordanclock Жыл бұрын

@Jaggsta I just checked the HUB video and as they say the 7600 was working as expected and wasn't throttling. So it seems like it doesn't matter if it's running at 95c since it is still performing fine.

@jordanclock Жыл бұрын

@@PepRex Sure, newer should be better. I am just commenting on how much of a jump there was because I am used to either more modest performance gains or for them to come at a huge power cost.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

@@PepRex Sometimes newer is just rebranded older. Sometimes they even call two different things by the same name and it has happened more than a few times within the last 2 years. That's why you don't be fanboi and you don't go by branding.

@grayscale420 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see some Davinci Resolve (what with it's growth) & VR benchmarks if possible. Love the work you guys do!

@FStrat87 Жыл бұрын

Great series on the Non-X Ryzen 7000 series. Will you ve reviewing the non-K Intel 13th gen CPUs?

@soloturk3612 Жыл бұрын

I was sure last year would end badly for me but I think Amazons AM2023X is spot on with what they do and how they do it. Can't say for how long it's going to work and for sure it is overyhped right now but even for half a year or something it would be smart to ride the wave and then jump away eventually but the thing is why this is smart right now is because it's so cheap, won't ever find a better entry than now

@evieheadland6221 Жыл бұрын

Yea right Amazons best intentions are always making us money haha

@elliecundill5292 Жыл бұрын

I wonder what happens if they go FTX mode

@udyogcenter1033 Жыл бұрын

Finally a solid and forward looking project here, what's going on guys?

@user-lx4ue1mp2t Жыл бұрын

Who knows how this will go but it's better than the FTX stuff and anything we had so far. Amazon won't rugpull us

@saisasi2720 Жыл бұрын

It won't ever be as cheap as now again just FYI

@kaichow1015 Жыл бұрын

I think the real comparison point will be between this non-X 7600 and the recently released Intel non-K chips 13400 and 13500. Hopefully we get reviews on those Intel chips later because they're around the same price and have so much value attached to them ($230ish for 14 cores is nothing to sneeze at if your workload can use them).

@Tc4ify Жыл бұрын

13500 with its 20 threads especially will smoke it really bad...

@fuzzymcuppets6167 Жыл бұрын

Loving the new set Steve!

@PatalJunior Жыл бұрын

Thanks for including the R5 2600. I'm running a RX 6600 and I don't think I still need a upgrade, since I'm GPU limited in most games.

@Ramchowdaryking999 Жыл бұрын

hows rx 6600 any issues like drivers?

@TheRagingSerpent Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting if you added Playstation 3 emulation to your CPU benchmarks, the cpu utilisation when emulating games like Metal Gear Solid 4 is pretty insane.

@NBWDOUGHBOY Жыл бұрын

Right! I wish more mainstream channels did Emulation testing.

@twistedoracle4555 Жыл бұрын

@@NBWDOUGHBOY techpowerup does

@NBWDOUGHBOY Жыл бұрын

@@twistedoracle4555 I'll check them out

@torsten4558 Жыл бұрын

I´m excited to see the 7900. Still 65W TDP? But 64MB Cache. Well sounds like a pretty good CPU for a long time. Waiting for the review!

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

7900 is the one to get. Check out LTT and Hardware Unboxed.

@fajaradi1223 Жыл бұрын

Oh my ... Those background set up is something.

@Arkstellar Жыл бұрын

They've been back for a while. I bought a 5700X on sale for $190 shipped a couple months ago. Great deal, awesome CPU.

@couriersix2443 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad that the Zen+ CPUs like the 2600 and 2700 are still featured in these charts. When I still had my 2600, I had it manually OC'ed (since it did not support PBO) to 4.1Ghz all-core @ 1.31v and it was able to slightly surpass my friend's stock 2700x in single core performance. Now I'm using the 5600, since it was a drop-in replacement using my existing b450 tomahawk mobo. I have it configured with a -10 offset, 10x scalar, and +200Mhz with PBO, which puts it at 4.6Ghz @ ~1.24v and single-core performance that's identical to most of the x-SKU Zen3 CPUs. Meanwhile, multi-core performance sits between the 2700x and 3700x. Temps are also fairly decent by not going beyond 70-75c at full load using a Wraith Prism cooler, since it's not pushing beyond the ~88w total power draw to achieve the PBO OC. As you guys (as well as many others) have emphasized, the non-x SKUs generally offer much better value for performance overall, and honestly it's really not that difficult or time consuming to tweak the OC settings accordingly.

@DemonNeno Жыл бұрын

The deal from micro center with a 32 GB DDR 6000 kit of RAM and a purchase of a 7700X still makes it pretty viable option for those can do the in-store pickup. I believe it also includes $20 off select motherboards as well

@gizengar111 Жыл бұрын

yep. I sold my 32gb kit for 150 and got the ram i actually wanted for half what it cost after selling the free kit I got. win win for me.

@DemonNeno Жыл бұрын

@@gizengar111 I kept mine. It was g.skill g. skill f5-60003636f16gx2-fx5. not amazing but I'd rather throw that extra money on top of my sold 6900xy for a 4090. These AM5 boot-ups though... Oof. I can learn a different language faster.

@SmoggySandwich Жыл бұрын

Badass monitor wall. Nice!

@maudepotvin8660 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what you changed with you hair routine, but DAMN they look nice !!! Good job :) ... Great review too xD

@BurakBagdatli Жыл бұрын

Would it be useful to show some idling power/behavior as well with CPUs/GPUs? Most people don't use their CPU/GPUs at 100% all the time and these efficiency numbers may be skewed for most use cases (unless you're running a server farm). It does look like Intel is aiming for a very efficient idle/low workload but less efficient burst/max loads. Honestly, it may be a better approach overall given how people use their computers. I mean when we measure fuel efficiency, we don't do it at the max speed.

@Xbox360mIRC Жыл бұрын

Sadly for gaming I think if you own an AM4 motherboard its best to go with the 5800X3D because yes you can get some AM5 motherboards new for $220-$280 but the ram cost is also not unaffordable but around 50%+ more expensive for DDR5. I have an AM4 motherboard and a 3700x I'd have to spend $230 plus at least $80 in DDR5 ram for 16GB then another $250ish for a motherboard compared to just $350 for a 5800X3D. I know my parts have resell value but it goes down a lot especially for a used 3700x and a basic B450M motherboard and only 16GB 3000 Ram. Are they gonna make an AM5 X3D that's much better than the AM4 one of that's possible?

@musouisshin Жыл бұрын

Steve, i think you forgot... AMD's promise of AM5 support which is promising coming from how long they supported AM4 (1000, 2000, 3000, 5000)

@Yokai_Warrior21 Жыл бұрын

As always great review! thank you for your hard work. ps I love your mouse mat!

@BaldGuyTalks Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great review, I'd really appreciate it if you guys made a definitive video on comparing DDR5 vs DDR4 performance on intel 13th Gen and put it against Zen 4. It would help greatly to know if taking the leap is justified by a visible boost to performance.

@Hugh_I Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed did some benchmarks comparing DDR4/DDR5 recently. It heavily depends on workload and game how much of a difference it makes, but when it does it can be quite significant. Their takeaway was that DDR5 was becoming worth it with the prices coming down: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdOloN2IlqfYd3k.html

@BaldGuyTalks Жыл бұрын

@@Hugh_I Thanks for the link. Yea, I have seen that one, but GN have their own methods and IMO the more testing done on it the better.

@Hugh_I Жыл бұрын

@@BaldGuyTalks yeah agree with that! DDR5 prices also have gone down further, so updated value analysis would be useful soon too.

@deivytrajan Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@deivytrajan Жыл бұрын

@@Hugh_Ithat video is bad because they are comparing 12th gen intel… 13th gen intel is different

@shieldtablet942 Жыл бұрын

I'd still get the 65W part, even at the same price. It's more efficient and more money in your pocket each month, no need for a big cooler and even comes with one. Even the boards to run it will not need costly power delivery vs X. Yet, with no sub $100 boards or ($200 where I live), they could be very well selling it for $150 and still be on the expensive side.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

I think it's actually 88 watts if you watch the video he rants about AMDs power reporting.

@0w784g Жыл бұрын

It's much less efficient than Intel though, as shown in the video...

@thamasomalley9635 Жыл бұрын

I like your new studio design

@figgyoda Жыл бұрын

Great review - appreciate it.

@Karimftw0.0 Жыл бұрын

Nice video Steve but the 7600 is more comfortable as it comes with a stock cooler

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

It's the same cooler they been using forever. Spoiler alert: They got coil whine.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

@@user-pd6fg4vu9d Fans have coils but I guess it could be bearing noise which would be just as bad.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

@@user-pd6fg4vu9d Never heard of anybody doing that. They usually just return it.

@julianB93 Жыл бұрын

im somewhat disapointed, that the 5900x is missing in the benchmarks.

@matbailie3816 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see what difference the cooler makes. You used an AIO, which doesn't make sense if budget / value for money is of interest (on a 7600 at least). But, what penalty does using the bundled cooler make? (I'd be very curious about that with the 7700). I expect it will actually make very little performance difference, it'll just be a lot noisier...

@northwakes Жыл бұрын

I like the new background!

@adamsrealm Жыл бұрын

The 3D variants are what I'm waiting for, I play primarily CPU bound games (like KSP) so the extra Cache is just too important for me

@benjaminoechsli1941 Жыл бұрын

If the rumors that 7000X3D will have a larger uplift over the regular 7000 than 5000X3D had over regular 5000 (iow, a >15% uplift) are true, the 7800X3D is going to be a gaming _monster._

@alouisschafer7212 Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminoechsli1941 I bet you they will overprice them :(

@benjaminoechsli1941 Жыл бұрын

@@alouisschafer7212 I think that will depend on 1) Zen 4 sales to date, 2) Intel's competitiveness at the time of release, and 3) the price of the platform. AMD has been selling Zen 4 for cheap recently to try to convince people to buy it since mobo makers are keeping prices high.

@nostrum6410 Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminoechsli1941 intel doesn't really have much left in the tank, they don't have any answer to the 3d ones

@alrecks619 Жыл бұрын

Finally, the Ryzen 7000 with no X-tax.

@Wilqu5677 Жыл бұрын

Mobo and ddr5 is still expensive, so...

@alrecks619 Жыл бұрын

@@Wilqu5677 yeah, pretty much early adoption cost lol.

@MiGujack3 Жыл бұрын

@@Wilqu5677 It's the boards more than the ram, ddr5 is slowing normalizing

@Wilqu5677 Жыл бұрын

@@MiGujack3 I mean yeah, but still, it is more expensive than ddr4

@troosimimimmi Жыл бұрын

with so close performance, x variants will drop in prices in time . win anyways

@lonzoformvp5078 Жыл бұрын

Great review, love the new set

@ethansurveski2452 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve and team

@markusz2n Жыл бұрын

It will be interesting to see how the 7600 compares to the i5-13400f that got released a few days ago. :)

@Elinzar Жыл бұрын

Simply put It wins imo just because the platform cost in its entirety is still way cheaper

@itzdanygd1277 Жыл бұрын

For anyone who wants to upgrade and is not coming from AM4 (like me coming from a i7 6700, 2133mhz ddr4 ram and stock cooler)...There's a crazy 7600 + msi b650 mobo combo going in newegg right now for just 325 dollars. That combined with a sp zenith 32gb 5600mhz ddr5 ram kit (97$) and a top tier cheap air cooler like the thermalright pa120 (40~$) se goes for around 460 dollars us total (without taxes). A 5800x3d + new mobo + new ddr4 ram + new cooler would be more expensive, less future proof and less power efficient.

@jelly8594 Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile me in Europe: 😢

@TDV1 Жыл бұрын

@@jelly8594 yep lol, it's getting better now. Although that's tech for you, US will always be cheaper.

@leod9968 Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve, thanks for the review, it's great as usual! I really would love to hear your take regarding value when comparing to the X SKUs and Intel CPUs not only bearing in mind the cost of the motherboard and RAM modules but also the cooler. I've seen you almost tend to take a favorable shot on Intel CPUs during the last two generations because they're cheaper overall when adding the cost of the LGA 1700 motherboards and DDR4 modules (or even stating that if you already have DDR4 modules and an Intel 12th Gen compatible motherboard, you can reuse them on a "new" Intel 13th Gen build), which are cheaper than the AM5 motherboards and DDR5 RAM. But you never mention the fact that the cooler on AM5 sockets can also be repurposed if you already had an older AMD cooler. Also, when comparing system performance on Intel 13th Gen vs AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs, you use DDR5 and last gen motherboards on both cases, which makes the comparison unfair if you're still putting into the discussion the fact that Intel builds are cheaper due to the lower cost of the old motherboards and RAM. If you still going to compare AMD and Intel builds using DDR5 and the latest motherboards, I think you should consider not using the better value argument because it seems misleading. Hope you take this criticism in a good way, I'm a big fan of yours and it's not banter at all. Awaiting to watch the reviews of other non-X SKU parts! Cheers!

@ufoisback5088 Жыл бұрын

looks like it's about time to revisit that AMD TDP topic

@TorqueMonster95 Жыл бұрын

Really would like to see the 5900X in these comparisons as the price was and is pretty good right now. I can guess where it would sit in these charts but it would be nice to see there and know the results

@Finalterra1396 Жыл бұрын

Damn, Pc building is looking bright this year! We have value cpus coming in, many cheap cooler options, motherboards are a bit pricy but hopefully AMD delivers on its promise for entry level AM5 boards, dd5 ram is steadily decreasing and DDR4 ram has incredible value for last gen builds, and even Nvme SSds get great discounts here and there. Theres absolutely nothing that would ruin PC building with the great direction that things are going! "Remembers about the GPU market", oh..... right I forgot about you.

@hexacarbide268 Жыл бұрын

Good breakdown thx

@matteoromagnoli4448 Жыл бұрын

Gee!!! u in my future mate, here it still is the 9th ;) cool video as usual :)

@JE-zl6uy Жыл бұрын

I think you'll see the X parts go back up, the retailers were dropping price to match demand - now with the non-X's out, the retailers are likely going to stop trying to take an "L" on the CPU to push the motherboards/DDR5 packages, which is their primary goal since, as it's a new platform, you literally MUST buy the CPU with the mobo.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

With X3D coming out they'll have to lower the X prices if they want to sell.

@BlackJesus8463 Жыл бұрын

@@djchristian82 loss

@JE-zl6uy Жыл бұрын

@@BlackJesus8463 depends how much the X3D parts are.

@JE-zl6uy Жыл бұрын

@@djchristian82 "Loss"

@loucipher7782 Жыл бұрын

trust me when i say most retailers rather push intel lmfao

@BboyCorrosive Жыл бұрын

As a gamer, can any of us say we'd really need something more powerful than a 5600x at this point?

@timmyp6297 Жыл бұрын

Yes, the gains stop after 8 core not 6 now. Go and check any comparison video with modern titles. Everything 8 core and above is the ceiling, its not 6 anymore.

@soupwizard Жыл бұрын

21:32 "Here's Money, Gaming Computer Man" should be a t-shirt or at least a meme.

@RemizZ Жыл бұрын

Damn that new set looks awesome!

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

Gotta say, until they release sub-150 dollar motherboards it doesn't really matter how cheap the CPUs are. This CPU would be a good deal, if it wasn't the fact you could get a 12600K//Z690/DDR4 for less or a 13600K/Z690/DDR4 for about the same price.

@angrygoldfish Жыл бұрын

Problem with the 13600k and DDR4 route is that it has no upgrade path. If someone is only upgrading their entire system every five years then maybe it wouldn't matter. But even then, DDR5 will start to scale ahead in the coming years just as DDR4 did. If I were building a midrange system now, I'd probably go 7600 or 7700 and DDR5, or 13600K and DDR5 if I needed better multithreaded performance. That means I can at least keep my RAM for my upgrade from a 13600k. If I were building a budget system I'd go 5600 or a 12100. I wouldn't combine DDR4 with midrange processors unless I already had DDR4 to use.

@lightward9487 Жыл бұрын

@@angrygoldfish no creo porque fans de AMD son puro mentira, quiero decirte que no hay ningún problema, ese intel si tiene muchos actualizaciones de todos cualquier y CPU es que usar todos compatibles cualquier y AMD no? Te digo que no hay ningún actualizaciones, creo que actualizaciones de AMD es más gran problema sobre sonido, video feo, gráfico, muy rápido menos de rendimiento? Porque tu no informadas uno de los mayoría problema para AMD? Tu eres puro fan de AMD maldita? Todos fans de intel ya saben que no hay ningún problema por intel? La verdad no entendiste ? Ese Intel si tiene que usar actualizaciones full, compatibles full, oculto de energía wats de más rápido que cualquier menos de AMD? Lo siento lo siento mucho que poco me interesa a AMD menos

@zihechen3111 Жыл бұрын

@@angrygoldfish ur old board worth almost nothing. Getting a new board that match to old board performance is like $100. Besides. U getting intel now, the gain is probably bigger than the board cost.

@angrygoldfish Жыл бұрын

@Grumpy Grey Yeah, that's true. But B650 should last through Zen 6 all being well, so a B650 motherboard should be a drop in replacement for new technology. If those processors dramatically increase performance again, an AM5 board will allow that. Maybe that's why B650 is so stupidly expensive; because it will have to run future processors that AMD predict will push demands higher. But still, you're right. Many will want a new motherboard anyway so why not just get the best value system now and again 3-4 years from now.

@angrygoldfish Жыл бұрын

@Grumpy Grey Yeah, good point.

@ThiccNose Жыл бұрын

As a proud 3600 owner this really does put a smile on my face.

@blakedmc1989RaveHD Жыл бұрын

funny thing i'm also an owner of a Ryzen 5 3600 but only as a dedicated streaming PC for Streaming/Local Recording at tha same time which replaced my FX 8350 i had for streaming, however i still game on a 4790k but weighin my options

@solocamo3654 Жыл бұрын

Really curious how the 10900k / 11900k do compared to these. I cross referenced old reviews from the GN channel using the same tests and versions and the numbers on multiple processors are significantly different. I'll chalk that up to windows version/update differences - though I am very curious to see where they stand under the same conditions. Thanks for the hard work on these videos as always.e

@Rushdown22 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the 9900k listed on these benchmarks, nobody seems to compare against it and im unsure just how much faster the new cpu's actually are in comparison.

@Proton_Decay Жыл бұрын

Would have been nice to see this alongside the 5900X specifically, because I've been seeing them around $320-340, which gets even cheaper across the build including more RAM that doesn't run THAT much faster than first-gen DDR5 anyway.

@HellenicBM Жыл бұрын

Lets hope to see 300 bucks mid range CPUs to be back sometime soon as well. ps: 1:33 "8 Cores 16* Threads"

@MiGujack3 Жыл бұрын

300 is not mid range.

@eclipsegst9419 Жыл бұрын

300 is not midrange its high end but not enthusiast.

@sandmaster4444 Жыл бұрын

@Gamers Nexus @15:30ish Could you combine the blender time and total power/efficiency charts into a single chart with time extending from the left and power from the right, matched for each CPU and ordered by time. With perfect scaling, the charts would fit together like puzzle pieces, which means the information would appear in that they don't!

@DrMBalmer Жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great video as always! Note though at 1:30 - 1:35 "The 7700 non-X is 8 cores 12 threads", should be 16 threads? :)

@spamconsumer3111 Жыл бұрын

The state of motherboard pricing is surprising, given it's a much more competitive market than CPUs are. You'd think someone would see the opportunity in a solid barebones $80 B650 board.

@voluntarism335 Жыл бұрын

With the federal government printing trillions of dollars the dollar is less valuable, I don't think there can.be 80 dollar boards anymore.