Thanks for the awesome comparison. Whatever happened with the RedmiBook 16 review, is that still coming up?

Now the question is: Are you being paid by Lenovo or are you being sponsored by Lenovo? :)

@@bicunisa neither

Yes, lol. I reacted to that immediately.

...YKR

But the image quality on the Intel version was a bit better.

webcams don't sound like anything lol

@@salman-11924 Well I think you know what I mean.

You're a lifesaver!

Glad to help!

I concur, these reviews helped me pick a laptop for college. I narrowed it down to last generation's ThinkPads for budget reasons (hence why I'm here 2 years late lol) but I opted for the Intel P14S for the dedicated graphics. Thanks for the review.

When using with monitors do you notice loud fan noise from the computer?

@@mustnoor not really. In performance mode the fan is always noticeable, but even under full load it's quiet compared to most other notebooks I've seen. No difference between having two monitors (1440p144 + 1080p60) connected and not using monitors. The T480 i5 is way louder.

Whats the difference between t14 and t14s, they both look the same to me?

Hey, can you tell me if the screen on the T14 is actually 14 inches? I've ordered one but when compared to Flex 5 14inches, the screen on T14 looks smaller.

Yes. Any way of fixing that high temperature on the intel-version?

Thats basically because of the intel chips that run like heaters. Intel chips still use old fabrication techniques and they basically run hot as fire. Nothing u can do about the heat itself but using a third party software to ramp up the fans slightly more should help. Amd is a better option anytime for any laptop.

@@PlayJewel what thinkpad did you get..Im thinking to get T14 Gen 3..not sure Intel vs Amd, this would be my first laptop for work..the intel spec can upgrade RAM ddr4..for Amd,RAM not upgradable..max 32gb soldered..Intel chip as you say will cause heat more but with Amd version, I cant upgrade RAM..can I get an opinion on this..thank you

@@pendayungunggul271 do not even by mistake get 12th gen intel chips. The H and P series chip overheat like crazy, then thermal throttle within 5 minutes. Rendering the chip slower than 11th gen in sustained workloads. This is consistent with any laptop using these chips. The U series chips are already too underpowered and slow. Thinkpads have P series chips mostly. With amd u loose 5% performance in single core scores of benchmarks but they use much less power means less heat and much more battery life. And amd chips will be able to sustain the full performance without overheating or throttling means u can use full power of the chips constantly. Meaning in real world useage amd is much much faster. Ryzen 6000 series also use the rdna2 architecture graphics that are very powerful, the performance can he compared to a mobile rtx 1660 max-q variant. They are the best integrated graphics of any laptop to date. (Ryzen 7 comes with radeon 680m and ryzen 5 with 660m) The amd models also cost 100 dollars or so less. I brought the t14s gen 3 amd. The s model because it’s available with the oled display. I maxed the ram with 32gb. Soldered ram is good if ur ok with 32gb, soldering ram means they can use low power kind means even more battery life and less heat. Soldered ram is also faster (t14s gen 3 has 6400mhz ddr5 ram, upto 102gbps bandwidth, while intel one has much slower type) they are highly unlikely to fail at any point during the life of laptop, especially for a thinkpad which uses very reliable and sturdy components. So unless u go for more than 32gb its pretty meaningless to have a removable ram. If u dont care for the 2.8k 90hz oled display, i recommended going with 400nits low power display. With gen 3 t14s amd and intel u get 1 heat pipe (it is plenty for ryzen 6000) With gen 3 t14 u get more vents on the bottom and with amd u get 2 heat pipes while intel one has just 1 heat pipe so that it can throttle fast and doesn’t overheat. T14s gen 3 amd with 400nits low power display = upto 16 hours of real world battery life, with oled its about 9hrs and if u lower the resolution to fhd and refresh rate to 60hz then expect 3hr or so more. Normal t14 would have slightly less battery due to smaller battery. I have ordered mine although the expected date of delivery is 13 September due to mine being a customized variant.

@@Kolzahn that's a feature of Intel not a bug. Finger heater in the winter for Europe. =))))

Admit it my mistakes are entertaining 🤣

And Lenovo is happy because people won't know they paid him. ;) I'm just kidding.

this is what happens when you lack sleep

Compete? Intel was crushed. Ryzen 5 4500u is like the same if not better than intel i7 G7 (not to mention iGPU where Intel was smashed). And when you will look on Ryzen 5 4600u 6core's 12 threads i7 can hide. And then you still have Ryzen 7 4700u 8c/8t and 4800u 8c/16c this is a monster. I have read some threads made by people that have bought a laptop with Ryzen 7 4800u + 16gb ram and 512ssd. Those things are reaching in Cinebench R20 score like my Ryzen 5 2600 overclocked to 4.1. And when you will unlock Ryzen 7 to 35w you get like 10-20% boost (iGPU + CPU) ofc there is thermal problems but you will put cooling pad under it and you get like 6-10*C lower. Look on the YT where ppl were unlocking Ryzen 5 2500u with 35w it was on the pair with Intel i7 8th generation, and almost same as Ryzen 5 2500H. Intel is over. Look back since Intel 3-4 gen processors till 7 gen was no performance jump not to mention those funny laptop CPU's. I have had a Thinkpad T430 from 2013 with i7 3740QM 4c/8t which was on the pair with t460 with i7 HQ (this one was like 5-7% faster). First generation since 3-4 gen that gave ppl some performance jump was intel 8gen with i5 and i7 from U series with 4c/8t. Gen 4-5-6-7 all i7 U series was 2c/4t which is a joke. I am looking to buy a laptop for me now as my second driver as I have PC as main, and I know it will be with Ryzen 4000. I love thinkpads I have t450s right now (which is funny because i have i5 5300u and this one is like 30-40% slower than my T430, but it is lighter, it's making less noise and battery life is a lot better). I will not mention PC's CPU situation where Intel was making like 3-5% power jump and wanted from ppl to pay for it x2 times more.

To my knowledge you can have HDMI 2.0 on the Intel version via the USB-C or Thunderbolt port (with an adapter).

and the both usb-c are gen2 speed on amd rather than the gen1 speed on the non-thunderbolt typec port on intel

Oh and let me clarify: The battery life was noticably better on the Ryzen model. I'm not even sure if I have ever seen a 35 hour battery estimate while idling on any other Laptop. I sadly can't compare them directly but I'm pretty sure I've never seen such good numbers from the Intel machine.

You're very lucky because the Slim 7 with Ryzen processor is now extremely impossible to find.

@@age_of_reason They are hard to find and sometimes they are unavailable on eBay. There is currently a listing for another 4500u model but it's as expensive as the Intel models. I got mine for 100€ less than that. Good timing.

Thanks for the info!

Thanks William!

Lenovo often use multiple suppliers for screens, keyboards and SSD's. The SSD speed *might* be a bit of a lottery and *might* not be dependent on the CPU. Regardless, it is actually cheaper to just spec the lowers size SSD, buy your own and install it.

@@tnetroP I know and the general consensus is that Samsung SSD's, which I have on my T480s, are the best Lenovo offers. Hopefully that's the one I'll also get with the AMD version I ordered.

Thanks, out of my control as to what they send for review

@@andrewmarcdavid Ah, I didn't get that :) Thanks again for great work - based largely on your coverage of Ryzen 4xxx, I just got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with 4700U, and it's replacing the i7-8750H from Razer Blade 2018 easily, with no noise, no heat, 3x battery life, 30% lower weight, and it cost 999 euro vs 2500 for the Blade (admittedly, blade is with GTX1070 that I'm not using, and a great 144Hz screen) :)

it is for the price category and even then, i5 is more expensive than the amd r7 version let alone the i7.

and programmers/cybersecurity researchers.

I think it's around 50% more performance for 16% less battery life, so a decent balance.

That's also what I think. I like how AMD brought competition again and from raw performance per price point of view AMD is definitely better. But for folks that value battery life and don't need so much power, Intel seems to be still doing better even with 14nm process.

Thanks Paul 👍

I did in my last review

@@andrewmarcdavid Great, it is something most reviewers don't talk about (and companies too) :)

Yeah obviously. But I still think the cooling system could be better. Atleast good enough to endure 15W under combined load. 7W in that Intel version is quite disappointing.

@@RishabhSharma-lq1id I don't know if it was a cooling issue so much as Intel wanting to claim better battery at the expense of sustained load. They are less efficient than their competitors, so tweaking like this makes sense. Of course, you can disable boost on the AMD chips and get better battery than the Intel variants, at least that's the case on the 35/45W models. I would assume the same on the 15/28W.

Yep, that's exactly what it stands for. I think it's just a different marketing label for IPS ( maybe for some cheaper manufacturing technology process of it). TN panels are basically gone, especially in this laptop category...

i think Intel just need to work with TSMC, because TSMC is the best at manufacturing the most efficient chips, intel has a verz heavz work to design and make their own chips ihouse, unlike AMD

Should have? You do it next time

That's good to know 🤣

Yeah, me too. But I would really like to be paid by HP, sigh.

That would probably be because of Quicksync, which is an Intel CPU feature that accelerates video encoding

for accounting , u use laptop with side number pad 15.6 the inch laptop OR without number pad 14 inch laptop ??

They have about the same battery life and you can compare the previous review scores for info. As for the display, the Envy is having a better quality display, however it is glossy.

@@evalangley3985 Thanks a lot. I think AMD's previous review had Envy x360 Ryzen 5 (not 7). So, I was hoping for a more straightforward comparison. Anyhow, thanks a lot 🙏

Almost done

The P series,

AMD version speaker sounds better. However it could be because of the editor's microphone position.

Nah...AMD has a seperate microphone driver...it's better that way

in daily use you may be not noticing anything, but try to do something CPU intesive. Render a 4k video on it then you will see how much less power it has. ;)

@@TheInchii agreed, for that though I have a dual Xeon workstation if i needed ;)

I'll answer myself. T14s on AMD is compatibility only with L-850GL. I had both models, 850 works fine, 860 not.

Agreed 👍

Is the display plastic or glass?

T14s is a thin one, T14 is a standard issue laptop. It's only soldered on the Ts series, normal T series has additionally one SO-DIMM slot.

Adam Turowski ah I follow, looked it up and I can see the slot on the HMM, and while 1 slot is an annoyance at least you have options

Tina Stormcaller I ordered the T14 yesterday for this reason. Good Labor Day dale in the US... I got 16gb in the soldered slot and am buying a 16gb Crucial stick off Amazon for $65... Same with the SSD. I ordered the smallest 128gb one and will order a 512gb off Amazon for about $75...

3:2 is too much to ask for i guess, but would be great

Who deleted your comment? I didn't.

@@andrewmarcdavid I'm sorry, I highly likely had not posted it on this review.

No pen support

He compared these two in term of (relatively simillar) price.

Agree

If you watched the video you would know the RAM is soldered into the motherboard

Andrew Marc David Hi! What I’m keen to find out is that for the 1 x DDR ram that’s soldered onto the motherboard, how does it manage to do a Dual channel? 1:37s of your vid spec both T14s variants as dual channel memory capable.

nobody "needs" anything but there sure are use cases where having Thunderbolt is preferred, especially when it comes to docking and adding accessories

T14s is more premium. Lighter, slimmer and also more expensive. But a T14 has better cooling, longer heat pipe (and maybe 2 pipes)

The idea behind the s models is to fill the gap between the T and X1C.

The hardware is different, jusgt like going from USB 2 to USB 3. There may be some intel systems with Thunderbolt 3 that *may* (and only *may*) have some kind of software kludge. However, the Intel systems with TB3 have almost all of the improvements USB 4 will bring anyway, so for Intel it will be a wash on laptops.

you wouldn't get this laptop if you're into video editing considering it has integrated gpu... audio production on the other hand...

That's why it's better to upgrade the SSD yourself.

@@andrewmarcdavid Indeed, and RAM too if not soldered on the mainboard...