Ammunition Evaluation: Ethiopian 7.62x51mm NATO

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Century International Arms has imported a quantity of Ethiopian ammunition, and asked me to do a video on it. So, I have a three-part evaluation here: appearance and packaging, live fire testing (including velocity and consistency), and teardown and bullet weight consistency. This ammunition was produced (as best I can tell) at the Emperor Haile Selassie Ammunition Factory, established with Czech technical aid in the late 1940s in Addis Ababa. This ammunition was produced between 1977 and 1985, for use in Ethiopian BM59 and M14 rifles, as well as machine guns.
Velocity:
I tested velocity using a 7.62x51mm Israeli K98k Mauser rifle (barrel length 23.6 inches). Measurements were take at 10 feet from the muzzle, with a sample size of 15 rounds fired. I found an average velocity of 2637 fps, extreme spread of 143 fps (max 2689, min 2546), and standard deviation of 33.29 fps. At least half of the rounds fired exhibited a very brief hangfire, although every round fired on the first primer strike.
Bullets:
I tested the weight of 10 bullets using a calibrated Lyman electronic scale. I found an average weight of 143.4 grains, extreme spread of 1.7 grains (max 144.4 gr, min 142.7 gr), and standard deviation of 0.52 grains. Bullet construction is boat tail with an open base, lead core, and gilding metal over steel jacket (these bullet do attract a magnet).
Century advertises this ammunition as using corrosive primers, and I took them at their word and did not test for corrosivity.
Raw data:
Velocities (fps): 2641, 2629, 2629, 2646, 2606, 2663, 2616, 2679, 2546, 2637, 2689, 2651, 2630, 2646, 2649
Bullet weights (grains): 143.3, 143.2, 142.7, 143.6, 143.9, 144.4, 142.9, 143.2, 142.9, 143.7
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@sparkspl
@sparkspl 5 жыл бұрын
Strange, in Fallout you can easily fire 200 years old ammo lying on wasteland's streets. Must be the radiation
@clothar23
@clothar23 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, most of the world in the Fallout series seems rather desert like . I am sure the dry and arid conditions help things.
@MarikHavair
@MarikHavair 5 жыл бұрын
It's not really age that kills ammo, it's moisture related corrosion. Typically caused by high humidity or sudden variance in temperature, this makes storing ammo in the Mid-West exciting! Ammo stored properly can easily last for decades, possibly centuries I guess, but I'm no expert.
@wkingston1248
@wkingston1248 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarikHavair ah the mid west where 30 degrees and 70 degress are hours apart, and snow rain hail in one hour is just a tuesday.
@damstachizz
@damstachizz 5 жыл бұрын
It makes sense in new vegas, ammo stored in a can out in the middle of the desert is going to have a very long shelf life
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 5 жыл бұрын
If the war was in 2077, perhaps the powder they were using is better quality / more advanced. We already have better stuff than they did 40 years ago. No telling where tech would / could be in 59 years. I bet temperature / moisture stable powder would be easy enough. Or better loading / sealant processes.
@manicdemise
@manicdemise 5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting to hear "nice hiss" for some reason.
@MrJob91
@MrJob91 5 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@benroper294
@benroper294 5 жыл бұрын
Be nice to see a collaboration
@StrangerOman
@StrangerOman 5 жыл бұрын
The reason for a hang fire was nice little hiss. Nice.
@bannedinc.
@bannedinc. 5 жыл бұрын
gun jesus and iron stomach guy collab would be fucking awesome haha
@mrtlsimon
@mrtlsimon 5 жыл бұрын
That was funny! LOL. It's funny that they both have the same fan base.
@ianmacfarlane1241
@ianmacfarlane1241 5 жыл бұрын
"What are you doing?" "I'm watching a video about Ethiopian rifle ammunition of course".
@lsd-25ayahuascadmt7
@lsd-25ayahuascadmt7 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Macfarlane YES BROTHER REJOICE REJOICE IT IS TIME
@PavewayJDAM
@PavewayJDAM 5 жыл бұрын
From Century's website: FIRST TIME EVER IN U.S.!!!! This ammunition was manufactured in Ethiopia for use in U.S. supplied M14 rifles. It not only shoots great, but will also be a great collector item due to the limited quatities that were imported. Condition: Excellent They even have a Video tab under each product page. This video is notably absent under the Ethiopian 762 page. Lol.
@jasonlopez4855
@jasonlopez4855 2 жыл бұрын
I'm getting two boxes to keep with 1977china and 1981 Russian and got some Israel now Ethiopian 👍🏽 good I really like Century arms supplies stuff.
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek 2 жыл бұрын
not a gun guy, but it seems to me that the hangfires have to be a problem of chemical degradation of the primer, which ought to make th condition of the ammunition less than "excellent".
@leshatcatski5089
@leshatcatski5089 5 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus role-playing scientist man and shooting Ethiopian surplus out of a German rifle re-chambered by Israelis, that's absolutely what I subscribed for. Thanks for the content!
@DaveTex2375
@DaveTex2375 5 жыл бұрын
International Delight!
@robrosen7291
@robrosen7291 5 жыл бұрын
Captured by the Czechs in 1945, and sold in the late 40's.
@Rudra0141
@Rudra0141 5 жыл бұрын
Globalisation
@GiggleBlizzard
@GiggleBlizzard 5 жыл бұрын
This is what The United States was built on.
@nindger4270
@nindger4270 5 жыл бұрын
TL;DR Seems like they made legitimately good ammo 40 years ago, but they made it 40 years ago and it may not have been stored in the best way possible.
@user-qf6yt3id3w
@user-qf6yt3id3w 5 жыл бұрын
Ethiopia was aligned with the US until the Commies took over in 1974 and kicked out US advisors. After that all hell broke loose - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ethiopia#Communist_period_(1974%E2%80%931991)
@daveidpliskin5026
@daveidpliskin5026 5 жыл бұрын
ammo is really storage sensitive it seems. it also seems like the eastern block spam cans fare the best long term, they must do something to the air on the inside to keep it dry, but i have pretty much never seen bad 54r, 7.62x39 or 5.45 with the exception of a case failure that was just a plain bad round. the american style ammo cans seem to work great if you keep some desiccant in there to fight off moisture but by the looks of the outsides of these ammo cans they where not exactly stored dry. Well stored ammo seems to last about 60 years from what ive seen and shot with surplus.
@G0ldbl4e
@G0ldbl4e 5 жыл бұрын
So they made all this ammo under communist rule.
@KyussTheWalkingWorm
@KyussTheWalkingWorm 5 жыл бұрын
If the spam cans are sealed then it's possible that they were filled with dry air or nitrogen to prevent damage from moisture. Ultimately though neither smokeless powder nor priming compounds have a great shelf life on their own, just like other energetic materials.
@nindger4270
@nindger4270 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah if it isn't sealed in air tight containers with some sort of desiccant, I wouldn't expect this stuff to last all that long in Ethiopia. Not sure about the rest of the country, but assuming this stuff spent most of its life around Addis Ababa, it went through 40 quite warm and more importantly humid summers.
@tlinrin887
@tlinrin887 5 жыл бұрын
Sir I too was produced in 1978 and i am definitely not 50
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 5 жыл бұрын
perhaps 50 is the Ethiopian 40?
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 5 жыл бұрын
Children stop arguing! Funny though the older you get , OLD AGE, goes futher into the future.
@RealLuckless
@RealLuckless 5 жыл бұрын
What's a decade between friends these days?
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 5 жыл бұрын
Wait till your the one on the wrong end of it. :-)
@meshaft
@meshaft 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@illegalclown
@illegalclown 5 жыл бұрын
Century just needs to market it as flintlock simulator rounds. "Get a flintlock firing experience but with bolt action convenience!" I would have bought some if only for the cool anmo can, but I will give it a hard pass.
@bskorupk
@bskorupk 5 жыл бұрын
You mean the Trapdoor Rifle experience?
@mr_fnh
@mr_fnh 5 жыл бұрын
illegalclown Free ammo with every purchase.
@azuritet3
@azuritet3 5 жыл бұрын
it's "authentic"
@dtnetlurker
@dtnetlurker 5 жыл бұрын
Just look at how bad most milsurp .303 hangfires and this stuff is fantastic by comparison.
@radoslawpiotrowski9480
@radoslawpiotrowski9480 5 жыл бұрын
Conclusion after waching this video: don't let the ammo to linger in storage for too long! It's getting lazy! Great content Ian.
@conorclimo8534
@conorclimo8534 5 жыл бұрын
What if you let ammo linger for 2 years in mags?
@ghost-lp9cv
@ghost-lp9cv 5 жыл бұрын
Conor Climo in a mag, NO. that will weaken the spring to much. what i do 2 months, then switch between loaded mag and non-loaded. give that spring time to relax a bit.
@adobotachibana732
@adobotachibana732 5 жыл бұрын
Magazine is still storage tho. (Remind me to fix my grammar)
@radoslawpiotrowski9480
@radoslawpiotrowski9480 5 жыл бұрын
Guys! Mags, clips, ammo belts... irrelevant really. Imagine M134 maxed up to 6000rpm being fed by that ammo!
@radoslawpiotrowski9480
@radoslawpiotrowski9480 5 жыл бұрын
@@SonsOfLorgar More like a London congestion at peek hours.
@sauceboss8483
@sauceboss8483 5 жыл бұрын
I'm letting you know, I like this.
@white0devil0
@white0devil0 5 жыл бұрын
I'm letting you know, I like you letting Ian know that you like this.
@chimichangapoops6244
@chimichangapoops6244 5 жыл бұрын
I’m letting you know I like that you like that Jacob told Ian that he liked this.
@rodgersmith1573
@rodgersmith1573 5 жыл бұрын
Dammit..Okay.. I can do this. I'm letting you know that I like that you like that White0devil0 likes that Jacob told Ian that he liked this.
@sauceboss8483
@sauceboss8483 5 жыл бұрын
I've got 20 internet good boy points that we get to 5 loops. We're at 3, leets keep it going!
@FaZeHyPeR19
@FaZeHyPeR19 5 жыл бұрын
"Ethiopian Script..." I speak the language, it's called Amharic. It is related to Hebrew and Arabic.
@user936
@user936 3 жыл бұрын
it looks really cool!
@aaronrushton1
@aaronrushton1 5 жыл бұрын
Ian doing his best Paul Harrell impression with those chronograph readings
@russeljohn3471
@russeljohn3471 5 жыл бұрын
Impartial and honest review, such a rarity on YT gun channels. Thanks Ian. 👍👍👍
@0xf7c8
@0xf7c8 3 жыл бұрын
It's not like he is going to be sponsored by ethipean 1970's government agencies or anything
@KimHrothgar
@KimHrothgar 5 жыл бұрын
I found this video very interesting. More of this please.
@arisukak
@arisukak 5 жыл бұрын
I don't mind that sort of hangfires, it's the ones that go off a second or more that are scary.
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын
@@kirkstinson7316 still, the cartridge that comes out after could go off at any point and could be pointing any direction on the ground and then from there ricochet god only knows where...are you going to pick it up to dispose of it? All I'm saying is that I can understand the concern.
@poyaispanic5269
@poyaispanic5269 3 жыл бұрын
Emperor’s munitions factory? **warhammer 40k intensifies**
@ogpu1
@ogpu1 5 жыл бұрын
Gee, it's nice to see a really honest test/review in the firearms video world. So often the the reviews are more like puff pieces for the manufacturer or the distrutor. Thanks Ian!
@TheAngler2210
@TheAngler2210 5 жыл бұрын
Now, remember to get that ammo can back to MED!
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 5 жыл бұрын
The can is probably more valuable and useful than the contents.
@spearhunked1369
@spearhunked1369 5 жыл бұрын
51WCDodge he said ammo can.
@nigelwright1610
@nigelwright1610 5 жыл бұрын
Ammo cans; Tupperware for men!
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 5 жыл бұрын
Why yes he does need a tool box...
@johndorry6921
@johndorry6921 5 жыл бұрын
From Century's website: FIRST TIME EVER IN U.S.!!!! This ammunition was manufactured in Ethiopia for use in U.S. supplied M14 rifles. It not only shoots great, but will also be a great collector item due to the limited quatities that were imported. Specifications 145gr Lead Core FMJ Berdan Primed Brass Case Corrosive 20rd Box 280rds per .30 Cal Can 1980's Production LMAO. I bet it's $0.45 a round.
@lemontier
@lemontier 5 жыл бұрын
John, Thanks for getting the cartridge specs to us. A lot of us reload and avoid Berdan primer cases.
@Gearhead1432
@Gearhead1432 5 жыл бұрын
Corrosive ammo in an M14.... that sounds like a disaster for its gas system.
@MichaelEdelman1954
@MichaelEdelman1954 5 жыл бұрын
john dorry Par for Century ;-)”
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 5 жыл бұрын
That why you clean it religiously after shooting , there at the range and fully strip it.
@jason127x99
@jason127x99 4 жыл бұрын
SuperFunkmachine yep! Always bust out the windex after shooting corrosive stuff.
@nemisis666eldiablo
@nemisis666eldiablo 5 жыл бұрын
I yearn for the day he says "Hi welcome to forgotten weapons I'm Gun Jesus"
@nicholaspatton5590
@nicholaspatton5590 5 жыл бұрын
Adam, was that the day he dressed as Jesus with the triple barrel shotgun?
@jamesrauschenbach5540
@jamesrauschenbach5540 5 жыл бұрын
Best comment.
@jasonjohnson6938
@jasonjohnson6938 4 жыл бұрын
The mauser messiah
@johnn8223
@johnn8223 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible just to get an empty ammo can? The writing in Ge'ez is really the coolest part.
@williamnantz5604
@williamnantz5604 5 жыл бұрын
Keep doing these ammo evaluations, please. The info is potentially quite useful to scores of people looking for cheap and/or exotic ammo.
@HALO-2304
@HALO-2304 5 жыл бұрын
This may sound weird, but how did it smell when you fired it? A friend bought some Egyptian 7.62x39 ammo some years ago and we had duds, hang fires and an acrid stink. The duds and hang fires were so bad, he just dropped the remaining 40rds or so in the dud bucket at the range.
@jason127x99
@jason127x99 4 жыл бұрын
HALO 2304 I had some 7.62x54 Ammo that really stunk after firing them. I think it was Albanian ammo.
@brianlynch994
@brianlynch994 3 жыл бұрын
I think that might be the corrosive primers, kind of an ammonia smell.
@HALO-2304
@HALO-2304 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianlynch994 Probably. Is there such a thing as extra corrosive? It was rather stinky.
@BillB23
@BillB23 5 жыл бұрын
You didn't let us know about the powder weights. Other than that, your usual good work. Thanks, Ian.
@joetaylor486
@joetaylor486 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting video Ian, particularly in light of Karl's response on In Range about factors affecting accuracy: ammunition being more pertinent to accuracy than modestly poor barrels. So, more "Forgotten Ammo" than "Forgotten Weapons"
@AldanFerrox
@AldanFerrox 5 жыл бұрын
ForgottenMunitions
@mrtlsimon
@mrtlsimon 5 жыл бұрын
Good work Ian, I like watching your videos in part because of your integrity. If Century didn't want the truth they could have gone to any number of reviewers that will make excuses or just edit out anything negative for free ammo or a pay off. I know you won't sell out because you've put your money where your mouth is and demonitized your content. This was an entertaining and educational video, thank you.
@alifeoncechris
@alifeoncechris 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely liked this video. And the concept behind it. I personally would enjoy more videos like this testing other ammos.
@adaw2d3222
@adaw2d3222 5 жыл бұрын
Ammo is fascinating please do more!
@norbertblackrain2379
@norbertblackrain2379 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the "Forgotten Ammo" aspect of Forgotten Weapons!
@braxtonb3787
@braxtonb3787 5 жыл бұрын
Found this very intresting , would love to see more. Thanks for being up front and honest as always Ian
@Bacon98tor
@Bacon98tor 5 жыл бұрын
This series would have a lot of potential to grow. I enjoyed this video, looking forward to possibly more in the future.
@irisheart5920
@irisheart5920 5 жыл бұрын
Is that a Simo Häyhä dakimakura/body pillow I spy to Ians left?
@troubledturtle2332
@troubledturtle2332 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is.
@TheOnlyMasterChef
@TheOnlyMasterChef 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, they got them from Varusteleka. Karl posted a picture of his last year sometime.
@alexv6324
@alexv6324 5 жыл бұрын
Nice catch.
@paalaasengstubbrud3524
@paalaasengstubbrud3524 5 жыл бұрын
This is definitely something I would like to see more of. Nice work
@doraran5158
@doraran5158 5 жыл бұрын
Cartridge evaluations an interesting and appreciated augmentation to your channel. Please continue this. BTW: Had seen some 7.62x45, 7.62x25 and some 9x19mm Czech produced ammo from1950s that had misfires. Perhaps Ethiopians never updated the primer formula.
@brucerobert227
@brucerobert227 5 жыл бұрын
Ian, I am very much enjoying this, and the method in which you used to test/evaluate this. I very much hope to see more!
@TheOz91
@TheOz91 5 жыл бұрын
The "Ethiopian script" is the Amharic language, which is related to Arabic and Hebrew. If Mike from Bloke of the Range were there, he would say that the ammunition is a bit "click-bang-y." I wonder with that spread of velocities would affect the performance of self-loading rifles.
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
Damn good question and I wouldn't think so to be honest. At least not too vast a difference. That 2500 fps round, might have caused problems. 2600 fps rounds, not to much. Tweaking the gas system would probably be a good idea, in principle.
@devincook2736
@devincook2736 5 жыл бұрын
In working up reloads in AR's, even the low charge starting loads cycle just fine, meaning "normal" loads are way over gassing the system. But no one really cares as long as it's cheap and goes bangbangbangbang and doesn't send the bolt out the back of the buffer tube. Or break an op rod, I guess.
@stalkinghorse883
@stalkinghorse883 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see how it works in Ian's "AK4".
@PushCatT
@PushCatT 5 жыл бұрын
Come on Ian we all know shooting left handed is causing the hang fires! /s
@jontee3437
@jontee3437 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely a series I would love to see continued Ian. It's very informative and would help guys like myself when it comes to buying surplus ammo.
@Mortarion6666
@Mortarion6666 5 жыл бұрын
Ian your videos have been a constant unending source of joy and information ever since i started watching. Just straight facts no bullshit backed up by a bunch of primary sources, with a humble acceptance when facts are lost to time or are open to debate. I love this shit. Thankyou for your work.
@Tr0gStar
@Tr0gStar 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea, hopefully ammo suppliers can cope with your honesty
@Butttcheekius
@Butttcheekius 5 жыл бұрын
Nice to see something on ammunition development as well as arms development
@HPWPAO
@HPWPAO 4 жыл бұрын
I Respect you giving honest feedback when it could be beneficial not to. I cant imagine running this channel is easy.
@lwrii1912
@lwrii1912 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the content. Honest simple information without the hype some channels seem to think is necessary. I would like to see more. Thanks for sharing your passion.
@mafjaguar2677
@mafjaguar2677 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of a Bullet Breakdown, a semi-scientific series. Great job on the video.
@brianrakes1359
@brianrakes1359 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. I do appreciate this content. It saves me from trying it myself.
@kylepn5223
@kylepn5223 5 жыл бұрын
Love this series. Always find it fun to look through surplus ammo for my own rifles and trace their history. It’s an extension of the history of the guns themselves.
@abwillhoite
@abwillhoite 5 жыл бұрын
This is a nice addition to the different content you’ve been producing this year.
@WhiskyCardinalWes
@WhiskyCardinalWes 5 жыл бұрын
More videos like this would be welcome! As for this ammo, at best it's plinking worthy. It would definitely promote follow through on your shooting.
@juhai7048
@juhai7048 5 жыл бұрын
I am quite surprised you could find that old (or "old" since I was born in 1979 myself and don't consider myself old yet ;) ) Ethiopian ammunition, given that they have been fighting on-off against foreign and domestic adversaries since the 70s. One would presume they would've used all the ammo available in those fights already. I bet these ammo cans would have a very interesting story to tell if they could talk... Maybe they were stolen by some of the rebel factions of the country early on in the early 80s, hid in some cache and forgotten there. To be found later and sold out as surplus.
@denniscrider3776
@denniscrider3776 5 жыл бұрын
I would wager they went to a different cartridge, as most other militaries have since the 60s/70s/80s
@juhai7048
@juhai7048 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, that is probably it and for some strange reason it escaped me earlier :D Nowadays they mostly use 7.62x39 and the AK platform. Probably due to Derg-Soviet connection.
@briantaylor9266
@briantaylor9266 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha! "Old" is relative I guess. At 40 years you don't think of yourself as old, but that carton of milk in your fridge is definitely old at 40 days :-)
@bskorupk
@bskorupk 5 жыл бұрын
When I think of "Old" people, I think of those that were born before the end of WW2.
@juhai7048
@juhai7048 5 жыл бұрын
@OLDCONTEMPTABLE, that's what I still think too. Surprise though, we at our late 30s are considered old by others :D Not sure if likings...
@travispollett2120
@travispollett2120 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this immensely. As a fan of the channel and of guns in general but not being a shooter myself I find this type of information very interesting to learn about.
@stevenschumacher5566
@stevenschumacher5566 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian for the review... I saw some of this and thought about it for a brief moment. Thanks to you, I don't have to think about it any more.
@werjuke758
@werjuke758 5 жыл бұрын
i for one would love to see a type of "forgotten ammo" sub series, i found this video surprising enjoyable.
@Fuddleton
@Fuddleton 5 жыл бұрын
Ian, your sample size is a little small for a statistically relevant standard deviation. 30-50 is a the general "minimum". I recommend shooting more :)
@iaial0
@iaial0 5 жыл бұрын
Another important point: to calculate the average of a number of samples you have to eliminate the highest and the lowest score because in this way you eliminate many of the casual errors that can happen
@tryAGAIN87
@tryAGAIN87 3 жыл бұрын
@@iaial0 Except in this case the highest and lowest case did occur and it is cherry picking to remove them from the data. The also occurred in a very small number of samples. That is worrisome by itself.
@RichardCasto
@RichardCasto 5 жыл бұрын
Ian, in addition to looking at surplus ammo, I can see you expanding into the design, development and production of ancillary items such as ammo, optics, etc. for older firearms.
@lsd-25ayahuascadmt7
@lsd-25ayahuascadmt7 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Casto what a kind thing to say, friend, I think you are right.
@quincallahan6323
@quincallahan6323 5 жыл бұрын
The shelf life and general quality of ammunition, especially if details on how it was stored are given, is definitely an interesting enough topic that I'd like to see more on. This was very interesting.
@TheBitwise
@TheBitwise 5 жыл бұрын
I dig it, and I hope you do more of these. I love seeing statistical analysis and I have long wished you or Karl would do some stuff specifically about ballistics, either here or on InRange.
@SuperMarshall2009
@SuperMarshall2009 5 жыл бұрын
Corrosive or Non-Corrosive? Certainly interesting video content and would want more. Ethiopian military was and is better than many would give credit too - very tough fighters and good marksman as we observed n Iraq.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 5 жыл бұрын
Century lists it as corrosive.
@JKC40
@JKC40 5 жыл бұрын
berdan or boxer primed? brass cases?
@dwightehowell8179
@dwightehowell8179 5 жыл бұрын
The cases looked to be brass.
@jiveyhairchef96
@jiveyhairchef96 5 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting and I'd definitely like to see more. I've used some terrible blanks in re-enactments so it's great to hear about storage issues and safety aspects.
@RowdyFisk
@RowdyFisk 5 жыл бұрын
I'm very glad you did this video - I'd be anxious to see testing of other surplus 308 that's coming to market. Thanks for all your hard work
@dp-2835
@dp-2835 5 жыл бұрын
Someone is a time traveller...
@smilingmayonnaise8089
@smilingmayonnaise8089 5 жыл бұрын
Soo.... what’s the difference between you and DP-27?
@dp-2835
@dp-2835 5 жыл бұрын
DP-27 is my first name since I was designed in 1927. The 28 was added since I became the standard machine gun of Russia in 1928.
@smilingmayonnaise8089
@smilingmayonnaise8089 5 жыл бұрын
Aahh! I see.. спасибо товарищ.
@laxingpiper23
@laxingpiper23 5 жыл бұрын
Yes....and its you, time traveling DP-28🤔🤗
@rodom303
@rodom303 5 жыл бұрын
DP-28 by anychance do you know where to buy a DP-28/DPM/RP-46???
@bebopwing1
@bebopwing1 5 жыл бұрын
Good video and would love to see more. I could see these being time capsules to the surplus ammo we see pop up for a couple of years, and then disappears forever. For instance I used to shoot a lot of South African 5.56 that came in 30 round Chinese takeout shaped wedges, and I haven't seen that in at least 10 years now.
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of tears have shed by those who did not jump on current milsurp ammo offerings. Like 7.62x39 for $80/crate. Wish I'd jumped on Danish 30-06 harder, same for Australian 7.62, Greek HXP .303 and Romanian 8mm. I did use my experience to stock up on 54R by the crate while it was under $100/crate. Experience can pay dividends if you've learned from the past.
@73honda350
@73honda350 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video. Nice change of pace, interesting and well presented.
@lugerstonecock
@lugerstonecock 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the video very much. It was informative and enjoyable to watch. I applaud you for passing on accuracy testing as that is very subjective to the individual. Good job.
@SufiBear555
@SufiBear555 5 жыл бұрын
Considering that the early Rastafarians considered Haile Salasie to be the second coming, it may be an appropriate ammo for the righteous.
@CanalTremocos
@CanalTremocos 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same. This ammo was made in the name of Ras Tafari himself. Regardless of jamaican cults a real badass.
@nicholaspatton5590
@nicholaspatton5590 5 жыл бұрын
I just confused that with Pastafarian xD
@SteveSmith-wm4qy
@SteveSmith-wm4qy 5 жыл бұрын
these hangfires make me question my military training quite a bit..... We were told if the rifle doesn't fire you should rechamber a new round as fast as possible. This of course makes sense if there is someone shooting at you, but you wouldn't want the round to explode in the air infront of your face :/
@ZaphodHarkonnen
@ZaphodHarkonnen 5 жыл бұрын
As Ian noted it's probably a side effect of the storage conditions and time. I would expect when new or otherwise within some sort of best before there'd be no noticeable difference.
@lwilton
@lwilton 5 жыл бұрын
It's certainly a matter of concern, but maybe not all that much concern. Back when I was in college, the physics prof (who was not only head of the physics department, but also the wrestling coach, unarmed combat instructor, and small arms instructor) decided to show us what happens to ammo when it gets hot. So he set up a trivet and put 5 rounds of 30-06 on it and put a bunsen burner under it, then stepped back a couple of feet. After about 30 seconds we had a nice series of firecrackers go off in the front of the classroom. For the most part things stayed within a couple of feet of where they started, but we did have one bit of brass go zinging off the wall about 10 feet away. Most of the bullets stayed on the trivet, and the brass largely just split down the side. You certainly don't want a hunk of sharp brass sticking into your eye or face or neck, but if the shell gets down to knee level before it blows you probably don't have much to worry about.
@C0SSAC
@C0SSAC 5 жыл бұрын
That’s why military ammunition has a best before date. If it’s too old it either gets sold as surplus or is dumped down range🤷🏻‍♀️
@Salesman9001
@Salesman9001 5 жыл бұрын
Cartridge exploding outside of the chamber is mostly harmless.. as long as you are not holding it in your hand. I was taught the same: rechamber asap as the possibility to get hit by brass fragment is very low (and even if hit it won't break skin) but getting hit by not shooting the other guy is very high. ps. Do not pick up misfired cartridge for some time after it has been ejected same as unexploded fireworks, it costs you nothing to wait while visiting hospital will cost you.
@C0SSAC
@C0SSAC 5 жыл бұрын
Salesman9001 exactly especially when you’re in the field just leave it, at the range just treat it like regular spend brass, pick it up when you clean up.
@nizzlenotes3892
@nizzlenotes3892 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian for an honest review. I think this series is a great idea.
@MrRedbeard762
@MrRedbeard762 5 жыл бұрын
You have provided an excellent service on the ammunition, please continue!
@whoroger89
@whoroger89 5 жыл бұрын
I love this I want more ammo videos
@steppib.4598
@steppib.4598 4 жыл бұрын
If someone kills you with that ammo, I recommend to use your last breath to complain about the "hangfire" 😎😎
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын
That's what the shooter is going to complain about when he *doesn't* kill you with that ammo. Unless you were close, then it doesn't matter.
@enjoi301
@enjoi301 5 жыл бұрын
Ian, I really liked this video. In particular, I liked that you showed the spread and standard deviation. A lot of ammo videos just show averages, which don't really help you much if you're trying to get a picture of what the ammo is really like.
@jeremiahkc1lda816
@jeremiahkc1lda816 5 жыл бұрын
Can never have too much information. Keep it coming please. Thank you.
@ericwhite3526
@ericwhite3526 5 жыл бұрын
Hangfire ammo might not be bad for a full auto if you are trying to slow the cycle rate make it shoot more like a bar
@Salesman9001
@Salesman9001 5 жыл бұрын
Having unsteady fire rate is extremely jarring and will throw off any aim you might have had. If you are just smoking pots from hip and the ammo is extremely cheap.. eh why not
@bobkohl6779
@bobkohl6779 5 жыл бұрын
They got the M14s during the Clinton Admin. Provision reloading can bring the SD into single digit. No info on primers either boxer or Berdan. Sealant on ball ammo is common.
@iaial0
@iaial0 5 жыл бұрын
Berdan primers on their website
@dougler500
@dougler500 5 жыл бұрын
I for one would like to see more of this weaved into regular content. Great idea, this is such a huge favour to the community.
@sulkiestfoolstudios1759
@sulkiestfoolstudios1759 Жыл бұрын
Those hangfires register very nicely on the video, you can very clearly hear the strike before the cartridge goes bang. Well done.
@Stayawhileandlisten
@Stayawhileandlisten 5 жыл бұрын
Do more of these videos! AKA I like this.
@MrGenoHydra
@MrGenoHydra 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely an interesting option if you want to some cheap ammo to shoot down range, but with the delay wouldn't they be a bit risky to use on automatic firearms? Also. the second language on the ammo-box is called Amharic, and it's one of the more common languages spoken in Ethiopia.
@Tricerius
@Tricerius 5 жыл бұрын
In automatic firearms, it will not cycle until it fires. So no, I don't think it should be an issue.
@MrGenoHydra
@MrGenoHydra 5 жыл бұрын
I see. The only experience i had with firearms are handmedown Vietnam-era surplus M16's while i was in the army. And the reason i'm bringing that up is that once when our instructor shot a 3 round burst down range (Though we weren't allowed to do any automatic fire) the 3rd round was ejected somehow with the bullet still in and it fired off half a second after being ejected. Luckily nobody was hurt but all were pretty amazed. How or why did that happen is quite a damn mystery for me to this day, but point is that shit can happen.
@mauricematla1215
@mauricematla1215 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would be nice to have a video like this every now and then.
@Paelorian
@Paelorian 5 жыл бұрын
I think it really depends on the weapon. As noted, usually on an autoloader the cartridge won't leave the chamber until it fires, so it's safe. Usually also, the gun will recock upon fire so outrunning the ammo and ending up uncocked won't be an issue. But if the weapon does automatically eject the round whether it fired or not, a hangfire would be dangerous. Perhaps this might be even more of an issue on a rapidly fired manual action, since they eject without regard to the state of the round. I think this ammo would be dangerous to fire rapidly in a pump or lever action, since it's possible one could eject a hangfire round before it has fired. Shooting semi-rapid or slowly where accuracy isn't a major concern this ammo would perform. In full-auto the cadence would he weird, and in semi-auto fired rapidly it may not fire with each pull of the trigger, since it would be possible to pull the trigger again before the hangfire round fires.
@RealLuckless
@RealLuckless 5 жыл бұрын
Main risk of hang fires in an automatic weapon would be in your externally driven repeaters, like gatling based weapons, where the weapon will fire and then begin advancing the cycle whether or not the round actually goes off. I'm sure if you dig around long enough in various designs that you can find some open bolt design at risk of bolt bounce that could give you issues. If anything I think a double action revolver is possibly your most dangerous platform for hang fires, due to the risk of accidentally advancing a hot round out of alignment with the barrel. Having an un-contained round going off near you isn't what I would label as pleasant or very safe, but it also isn't excessively dangerous to your life in most cases. Having it contained in a cylinder so that pressure can build up will really change the dynamics of things.
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 5 жыл бұрын
I am interested in seeing more of this.It's just this kind of content that makes my day seem better. Thanx
@mysss29
@mysss29 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool to see what old surplus ammo is actually like! Thanks for giving us all the numbers and statistics! I sort-of expected you to start recording exactly which [and thus how many] rounds were hang fires, but I suppose the fact that they're there, and numerous, is the important thing to know.
@RockHudrock
@RockHudrock 4 жыл бұрын
I still bought 3 cans of this stuff. I figured it was almost "fossil" ammo -- like a piece of history, since the ammo plant was destroyed decades ago. I'll shoot 1 can of the ammo, just for fun, and keep the other 2 for history's sake to pass onto my kid. I paid $116.95-per-can from SG Ammo in November 2018, in case anyone is reading this.
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 2 жыл бұрын
Some British rounds were put in metal cans, sealed and buried. 18 years later they were used in the next war. Other war material was dumped in fairly deep sea.
@hellishgrin4604
@hellishgrin4604 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid, RIP Century..
@hicapclipazine6000
@hicapclipazine6000 5 жыл бұрын
I thought this was extremely interesting and a nice departure from the regular content. Keep this stuff coming.
@nickolas101
@nickolas101 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to see more content like this, and really appreciate the honest review!
@Prophes0r
@Prophes0r 5 жыл бұрын
1978 > 2018 = 40 years not 50.
@Tragicide
@Tragicide 5 жыл бұрын
Not bad for ammo that old I suppose.
@kaynec3079
@kaynec3079 5 жыл бұрын
I thought I just got ten years older
@benjones43
@benjones43 5 жыл бұрын
Kayne Craddock thought I was closer to retirement. Back to being 40
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 5 жыл бұрын
Meh, in the order of half century.
@allanstott6999
@allanstott6999 5 жыл бұрын
I was born in 79. Thought I'd lost ten years there lol.
@bitchfacedmgee7433
@bitchfacedmgee7433 5 жыл бұрын
i only found out today and it annoys me that i never released cos it makes perfect sense, but 7.62x51 is not the actual dimensions of the ammo, its actually 7.82mm and 7.62 refers to the rifling, and 7.82mm in inches is 0.308 hence 308 nato, well it's 308 if you round
@StepSherpa
@StepSherpa 5 жыл бұрын
The bore is 7.62 while the rifling is 7.82mm. I do not remember if the barrels used for 7.62x54r has a 7.62mm bore or 7.7 (303)
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 5 жыл бұрын
Espen Andre Most Mosin barrels are .311 in the grooves like a .303 or even bigger. The Finn captures were usually converted to .309 diameter barrels.
@bitchfacedmgee7433
@bitchfacedmgee7433 5 жыл бұрын
wait this may sound stupid but if the rifling is 7.82mm and so is the bullet then how can the rifling affect the bullet? surely it has to be smaller or does the heat expand the bullet to cause friction?
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 5 жыл бұрын
bitchfacedmgee Bullets do expand, especially ones with a lead core.
@bitchfacedmgee7433
@bitchfacedmgee7433 5 жыл бұрын
so roughly how much do they expand in guessing at least 0.2mm?
@warmonger1362
@warmonger1362 5 жыл бұрын
Have to respect and appreciate your honest and unbiased evaluation and opinion.
@daveidpliskin5026
@daveidpliskin5026 5 жыл бұрын
love this type of video interesting how consistent the bullets are, thats near match range from my understanding.
@denniscrider3776
@denniscrider3776 5 жыл бұрын
Anything that comes from Century Arms is pretty safe to assume it's garbage.
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 5 жыл бұрын
20 years ago when I had a C&R I had pretty good results with their milsurps especially the fix-em specials, some which didn't need fixing. Mostly very nice specimens. Century really was bad on stuff assembled by them like the CETME, Galil and AK variants.
@denniscrider3776
@denniscrider3776 5 жыл бұрын
@@LuvBorderCollies a good friend bought a C308 (G3 built from surplus parts). After a few hundred rounds something in the lower/trigger group broke. From then on the trigger did not reset properly. Another guy with the same rifle, within his first 3 mags, managed to blow out the barrel. When he fired it, the bullet exited the barrel on the side, just before the end of the handguard.
@maciejnowicki8354
@maciejnowicki8354 5 жыл бұрын
Are there still primers based on mercury fulminate?
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 5 жыл бұрын
No. Lead Styphnate is most common I believe.
@Bert2368
@Bert2368 5 жыл бұрын
@Adam Halsey Mercury fulminate is just a SENSITIZER and accelerant for the metalic cartridge priming mixes jt was used in, not the sole ingredient. Almost inert (due to age) chlorate based primers with Mercury fulminate as an ingredient will behave EXACTLY like this, since the fulminate is slowly degraded by exposure to heat, moisture and Carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
@sink009
@sink009 5 жыл бұрын
This actually was really neat. I, for one, would definitely enjoy seeing you add in videos of ammo reviews on a somewhat regular basis.
@herknorth8691
@herknorth8691 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to more of these. Between a series like this and some other interwebs reviews of accuracy, function in various other guns, etc, I think it will be a great resource.
@lourencoalmada1305
@lourencoalmada1305 5 жыл бұрын
That moment when Ethiopia actually makes their own bullets and your European country doesn't 😐
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын
Ethiopia is in Africa, and things there are rather spicy so you really want to have your own ammo industry, because one day you might need it. Europe on the other hand is boring and peaceful, so you'll only make ammo if it's commercially profitable, unless you're France/UK/Germany etc. and you have a huge military (for Europe).
@neruneri
@neruneri 3 жыл бұрын
@@jabloko992 Us Europeans are also very unlikely to actually go to war with each other these days. We have replaced warfare with Eurovision and football when it comes to inter-european conflict. Maybe that will change over time, but the world wars really changed the cultural willingness to wage war with each other. It's a nice change overall, though some of the entries in Eurovision should rightfully invoke the next set of Nuremberg trials...
@deadlyunicorn4669
@deadlyunicorn4669 5 жыл бұрын
But can I load that into my Stechkin APS??Uh????
@Wetcorps
@Wetcorps 5 жыл бұрын
In a collab with the hydrolic press channel maybe.
@deadlyunicorn4669
@deadlyunicorn4669 5 жыл бұрын
Im just hyped by the Dual wielding Stechkin video, and anticipating for the full overview of the APS pistol by our Lord and Savior, Ian
@Tony_Z__
@Tony_Z__ 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely like this and would like to see more of these type of videos. Find it very interesting to see how ammo from different places perform.
@rickbowen6929
@rickbowen6929 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video, thx Ian, and thx for not ever selling out to anyone. You will always be our guy as long as you keep doing what you do. I for one would be interested in continuing your ammo series and reviews of your findings. Although I have spent a lifetime of doing just that for myself, with all manner of surplus 7.62x51mm, it is always good to have a fresh set of eyes and ears to give another opinion.
@edward569
@edward569 5 жыл бұрын
Rastafarai bullets.
@1fanger
@1fanger 5 жыл бұрын
No bacon grease for a lube.
@kenttom8535
@kenttom8535 5 жыл бұрын
was expecting them to smoke more
@handlesarekindadumb
@handlesarekindadumb 3 жыл бұрын
Did you return the can to M.E.D.?
@willyg842
@willyg842 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for evaluating this ammo!
@mmelgoza1983
@mmelgoza1983 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video format! Hope this becomes a regular series!
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