An introduction to Psychoanalysis

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Berlin Psychoanalytic

Berlin Psychoanalytic

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Lecture by Professor Aleksandar Dimitrijevic at Mittelweg 50 in Berlin 23 of February 2019 for Berlin Psychoanalytic.
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@ronaldoferreira594
@ronaldoferreira594 2 жыл бұрын
Re-listening. The guy is so hard working/prepared in a combination with being so unpretentious. Thanks again.
@bellakrinkle9381
@bellakrinkle9381 3 ай бұрын
This series is my favorite to watch on this important topic.
@SevenRavens007
@SevenRavens007 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the very best explanations of psychoanalytic concepts on the web. I have really enjoyed every episode and hope they keep coming!
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vaughan! They will keep coming, though in a shorter form than this one.
@raisa_cherry33
@raisa_cherry33 4 жыл бұрын
Clearly detailed and uncomplicated,though my faculty excellently teaches this course but this E-lecture is much more helpful to get the big picture ❤ We are given a handout of Anna O's case study,reading is indeed helpful but watching and hearing adds life to learning.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Raisa! We are glad both that you find our material useful and that there are still universities that teach psychoanalysis.
@BennySam534
@BennySam534 Жыл бұрын
This was so great! Thank you so much Prof. Dimitrijevic!
@poochini7272
@poochini7272 5 ай бұрын
This presenter is excellent. Learned a lot. Ty.
@freydel0411
@freydel0411 Ай бұрын
Perfect explanation, thanks ❤
@marianaanastopulos2431
@marianaanastopulos2431 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and clear way of summarizing psychoanalysis and its evolution up to date! Thanks a lot for sharing!
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video.
@unusualpond
@unusualpond 5 ай бұрын
Truly excellent. Thank you so much for this.
@RachelGerrard
@RachelGerrard 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant, thank you.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
@mariasalales631
@mariasalales631 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - this was so clear and easy to follow!
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words! Glad it was helpful!
@danielduarte2139
@danielduarte2139 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the lecture. The explanations were just perfect: simple and straightforward and, at the same time, very informative and cohesive.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! We are glad you have found it helpful!
@neelamahlawat5289
@neelamahlawat5289 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this video. One of integral parts of Psychology has been explained so well and elaborately that even a beginner like me is able to understand it well. Looking forward to getting more such informative videos. 🙏🙏
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Neelam! You're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
@amanr6346
@amanr6346 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent, it’s certainly prompted a lot of further reading and investigation! A superb and coherent lecturer too! 👍😀...
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nama, we are glad you have found this useful.
@jeffreywin584
@jeffreywin584 5 жыл бұрын
Very well done.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@markgilbey1742
@markgilbey1742 3 жыл бұрын
You are an absolute genius
@whitenoise-relax-asmr8221
@whitenoise-relax-asmr8221 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the effort for giving such an intersting lecture
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@BiGAAAAAAAAAALLLLL
@BiGAAAAAAAAAALLLLL Жыл бұрын
Really great and clear lecture
@ntkz8668
@ntkz8668 Жыл бұрын
Es ist genial. Vielen dank!
@RodBarkerdigitalmediablog
@RodBarkerdigitalmediablog Жыл бұрын
Thank you Berlin Psychoanalytic for producing and publishing these presentations. The unconscious aspects of ourselves do have strong influences on our behaviours and Terror Management Theory has shown how we can be subliminally influenced. It would be interesting if your organisation could explain and explore aspects of Terror Management Theory.
@apprentice500
@apprentice500 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thank you
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@blondiecnt7820
@blondiecnt7820 3 жыл бұрын
Easy to listen to, did not understand how the hour pass but very explanatory and helpful too. Great job
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@davidmeskhi8446
@davidmeskhi8446 Жыл бұрын
Great video, it wasnt too long, i even wouldve wanted it to be longer
@doodleroberts
@doodleroberts 3 ай бұрын
I love this
@sarahhajarbalqis
@sarahhajarbalqis 3 жыл бұрын
That whatever is most important we learned from patient.
@marimaciascazares9844
@marimaciascazares9844 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video ¡
@rodrigopassarelli1
@rodrigopassarelli1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
We are glad you find it helpful!
@rutasventoraityte9015
@rutasventoraityte9015 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation!! 👍
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@emale03
@emale03 3 жыл бұрын
GREAT INFORMATIVE LECTURE
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@richardprice9730
@richardprice9730 3 жыл бұрын
A Must WATCH Am I strange or weird but this video really ........ Excites me ! Brilliant absolutely wonder full , as if someone had explained quantum mechanics for layt people cannot praise this video enough a true gem Why it makes an incredibly complex ideation behind psychoanalysis available for all people willing to use their intellects . Absolutely clear a revelatory podcast video. Thank you at 60 having to go back to the beginning in the NHS mental health care system I am utterly dismayed at the lack of insight , knowledge and understanding about the possible aetiology of mental health. As if there is still this "us" and "them", yet "patients " are in the special position to be able to acknowledge they need and thus receive help those who purport to help them are not , the blind leading the blind, INSIGHT , real self-knowledge being paramount or how do we or even can we access hidden repressing elements in our own psyche and correct distortions ? I am often ignored because if question this dichotomy .The "us" and "them", the (neurotically) normal and the mad ( or mentally ill) or just more obviously disturbed . So....Thank you and to C Justav a real pioneer can we say then that the movement towards self realization to bring theses various partial or even totally subconscious elements and aspects of our conscious mind to the surface again i.e. to deconstruct and or by pass the conscious mind's defences and to unravel its mechanisms such that there is no longer a need to be so defensive and eventually even to explore this element or aspect of our consciousness , we become more of what we can be unafraid and willing and able to engage in each and every encounter life brings especially with regard to our relating to others . Missed bits at 27 mins and will go back everyone who thinks they can help others should really struggle t understand this , but need not totally agree , i.e. is self transcendence more important to health than self actualization ? This might account for the temporary need for defence mechanisms ?. If you allow me God Bless ...Will recommend this later
@simoneactilio7369
@simoneactilio7369 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@ronaldoferreira594
@ronaldoferreira594 2 жыл бұрын
Not always tooooooo long is good! But yours was Excelente. Thank you very very much! Obrigado!
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Danke! We are very glad you enjoy the content!
@Accoundabcd
@Accoundabcd 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo
@beiniliu6912
@beiniliu6912 11 ай бұрын
Hello, I am currently studying psychoanalysis, I find this video absolutely perfect for people who wants to get a thorough yet uncomplicated understanding of psychoanalysis! If you don't mind, I would like to ask your permission to share this video to the other website in China for the embarrassing reason that KZfaq is blocked from accessing in China. I will clearly give sources of the original website. Thank you in advance, for making such a well-presented video!🙏
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
The next day! I do apologize for venting long held, unresolved emotions! Please forgive me. I can only add my outrageous outburst to Grist for the Mill. Why did I feel such an explanation, from me, necessary? I'm working on understanding this! Thank you for allowing me self expression. Peace is always the goal. Now that I understand, so very recently, all dream symbols of the 45 year old dream I experienced in the first analysis, I am reexamining that Transference. With new information, it has taken a different shape!
@billcapowski5617
@billcapowski5617 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this lecture. During my long trips for work I listen to Professor Aleksandar Dimitrijevic's longer lectures. Will Berlin Psychoanalytic be placing some of Prof. Dimitrijevic's longer lectures (in addition to this one) on the BP youtube channel?
@billcapowski5617
@billcapowski5617 2 жыл бұрын
For example his History of Psychoanalysis, Lectures 1-6.
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill! Thank you for your feedback. Glad to hear that you enjoy the conent! We will do our best to organize for Aleksandar's History of Psychoanalysis-lectures and other longer ones to be uploaded to our podcast before long.
@clouddead2001
@clouddead2001 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting watch, do you happen to have any book recommendations for getting into more basic psychoanalysis
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words! As it might happens, we published a video today with psychoanalytic reading recommendations: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNJyhdCl0J-UZ3U.html Hope this helps you!
@anarua3287
@anarua3287 2 жыл бұрын
Hello - is Berlin Psychoanalytic still going to do workshops or opportunities to converse live with people interested in psychoanalysis as a subject of learning and discussion? I’ll look up your website 👍☀️
@naughtiusmaximus789
@naughtiusmaximus789 3 жыл бұрын
5:09 same.
@yoramalon5273
@yoramalon5273 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome lecture. I realise that someone tried to do psychoanalysis on me. I understan how effective a tool, psychoanalysis can be. I am not sure i fully understand yet the details of the mechanism/method. Why the petiant understanding of past event memory/cause/conflict can actually relief a present resulting condition? Maybe reliving/processing the past event, with support, creates a substitusional mitigating feelings memory associations?
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interest! Please watch our video on dissociation, we hope it will answer some of your questions.
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
People tend to repress, hide, or lie to themselves about past memories. Often these memories are sad, therefore, they can be forgotten, and instead, they will create or remember only the happy memories. If something bad or tragic is repressed/forgotten, the real or actual event is still stored in our brain, or/and body. Symptoms can appear, seemingly out of nowhere. Yet, on a subconscious level, we never forget. This phenomenon is called Cognitive Dissonance. Something is out of balance and is calling for repair.
@annubansiwal9628
@annubansiwal9628 3 жыл бұрын
Sir aap mujhe ba.psychology ki books ke bare me bata do
@mikkovaan8636
@mikkovaan8636 2 жыл бұрын
Chemical lobotomy is real today in Finland. First it's the 'medicine' (a brain-damaging chemical with noticeable and common side-effects), you take that for god knows how long until you luck out perhaps and get a real professional to take care of you. And you do need to do the work yourself too, to get well (as if there was something unnatural happening in you, there's not). One major turning point for me was to stop vilifying my psychosis.
@sorjonen8358
@sorjonen8358 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that Finland's mental health treatments were considered good, for what are you saying, they are as bad as USA.
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
I can only read between the lines of you comments. Are you saying that YOU have been a recipient of "Modern Day Lobotomy? I am so sorry! Horrified, actually. Of course there are no online or You Tube discussions of present day techniques. Hopefully this procedure will improve the quality of your life, and others, too. Thank you for sharing. Incidentally, there are many individuals around in our world who are dealing with a psychosis; I've encountered a few, join the club. And may you get better.
@juleslefumiste9204
@juleslefumiste9204 3 жыл бұрын
I love and desire dethe
@yoramalon5273
@yoramalon5273 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture. Some new interesting insights. Can a mental disorder, give a person extra sensory perception? Can a mental disorder , give rise to unconscious augmentation , that result in superhuman perception/awareness? Can a mental disorder surface unconscious skills? Can a person deliberately push himself into the unconscious realm, to evoke superhuman perception?
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
"superhuman perception/awareness" is not something psychoanalysis deals with. Thanks for watching and support.
@ArtHistoryTVOfficial
@ArtHistoryTVOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking it can happen, in hallucinations episodes
@yoramalon5273
@yoramalon5273 2 жыл бұрын
@@ArtHistoryTVOfficial can a person hallucinate the future/ an event in the future? Can a person hallucinate a place memory, recalling events that happened in that place in the past? Can a person hallucinate that shadows have colours?
@ArtHistoryTVOfficial
@ArtHistoryTVOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@yoramalon5273 As said, very generally speaking, all this is possible. Our psychic reality is not as our cognitive perception, there is room for almost everything. Psychoanalysis is about understanding the meaning behind psychic images, to allow inner peace and truth to ourselves. We may suggest to watch our episode dedicated to Edvard Munch here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMiGqJyL36uxmps.html
@pauljohnston
@pauljohnston 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and helpful but in my opinion the attempt to treat psychoanalysis as similar to modern science risks distorting (and even trivialising) it. The unconscious was not something that Freud or anyone else "discovered" and whose existence we have to provide proofs of. Rather it is a powerful picture that offers us a new way of relating to ourselves.. The picture brings together a wide range of phenomena that look inexplicable in the absence of the picture and provides the basis for a way of treating people who have mental difficulties that is very different from other approaches and can deliver a different type of success.
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. Analysis is the method of choice for those desiring truth. Everyone knows that truth is not desired by all; and, as you imply, our unconscious minds hold the keys to truth.
@jasnabalorda8526
@jasnabalorda8526 4 жыл бұрын
Where can one study this course?
@BerlinPsychoanalytic
@BerlinPsychoanalytic 3 жыл бұрын
This was a one-off event in Berlin. We are trying to organise these longer-duration lectures for our subscribers, and we would announce it as soon as we can. Thank you for your coming.
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
For the record, I can't blame SAIS for going rogue. And perhaps there will be a Silver Lining for everyone involved. Freud does not deserve being tossed into the Dust Bin!
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
Now that I am listening, I disagree with several ideas you express. First of all, unless the client has superficial issues, there will be no "Talking Cure." The cure will only be found in correct dream interpretation; my experience is that Analysts are not good with dream interpretation, not to mention that helpful hints are extremely rare, as is dialogue of any sort. The "being in listening" mode, only, MUST be altered! Many, many times I have stated that individuals, themselves, only, can cure themselves. Analysts are best for introducing the Client to discovering their emotions and subsequent feelings, becoming aware of dreams (recording), projections, self observation, and most importantly - connecting the dots, so that the client understands that memories, events, emotions and fantasies are all interconnected. The Transference requires a separate discussion, since most Clients probably are too defended to be open and honest. I was! And yes, I entered analysis completely Unconscious; I was extremely conflicted. Unwinding my psyche, and layered neuroses required constant thought, feelings, and self observation. My earliest memories are from age 2 - 2.5 years old. Yes, everything is grist for the mill.
@richardprice9730
@richardprice9730 3 жыл бұрын
But fundamentally this isn't correct the subconscious is the tendency to think feel etc which is instantly repressed or blocked we do not want to think feel this for whatever reason so it is not something which exists as such it is a tendency fits with sanskaras or hindu idea of grooves in mind , Yoga = virttis or mind vibrations which then determines our personality due a lot to early trauma unmet need etc . Thoughts please .
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 2 жыл бұрын
"Whatever is most important will come from a patient." Is this the reason the the Seattle (ROGUE) Psychoanalytic Institute/ Society used me (without my consent) as an experimental psychoanalytic analysand via KZfaq? Sure, allow a tragically, psychotic (not completely insane) "psychoanalyst" they trained and authorized to proceed, so he could actualize his fantasy of becoming the next Freud . Apparently this Seattle Society thought, "Go for it! We have nothing to lose, Psychoanalysis is no longer effective, and we can no longer attract future students to our Training Institute, so anything that will bring new treatments to life will be a good thing, regardless of trauma an Experimental Analysand endures; it is the right thing to do, in the interest of SCIENCE. This began just before 911. I completed my SELF ANALYSIS, just last week. As an aside, 45 years ago, I had a mysterious dream that I reported to my analyst in training at the Colorado Psychoanalytic Institute. I was in my mid 20's, then. Freudian Theory was invaluable to me, since reading at age 17, Freud's Interpretation of Dreams. I did not understand one word, yet I knew that I needed to understand these theories. How insightful of me! It took a nervous breakdown, the manipulated theft of my expensive waterfront home, foreclosed because of the resulting breakdown experienced from the Transference neurosis to the Psychotic Psychiatrist (who never completed his personal Analysis!) Why can these Board uncertified Doctors practice Psychoanalysis without completing their Analysis? There should be laws against this reality. I do hope the EU Psychoanalytic Institutes have integrity that those practicing in the US are not enforcing. And to be clear, I did attempt a Lawsuit; however, in Good Old Corporate America, Psychiatrists are ALL LAWYERED UP, protecting our sacred doctors from prosecution. BTW, after understanding all symbols in the aforementioned dream, I, at last was able to unlock the causes of poor mental health, and a long stream of bad judgments. What a wonderful feeling. AM I looking for revenge or Loving Kindness? Neither; I'm looking for TRANSPARENCY - Open Dialogue. None available; I think those involved are waiting (hoping) for my death, so all this will remain hidden, covert! Believe me, this is Mind Boggling to me! Especially since I'm nearly convinced that we live in a Simulated Reality. Did I create this version of my reality/Life Experience...or, did I simply follow some preconceived/predestined path? These are notions I would enjoy investigating. My entire life I describe as experiential; I am not a scholar. I've always considered my best attribute to be my Curiosity. I began looking for answers to reasons for unhappiness in 6th grade. By 7th grade I acknowledged projection, without understanding it is a natural phenomenon. I am Deep, not brilliant.
@willieluncheonette5843
@willieluncheonette5843 Ай бұрын
" . Psychoanalysis is a futile exercise because it changes nothing: it does not create a new man, it does not bring peace to you. In fact even the founders of psychoanalysis like Sigmund Freud were so much afraid of death that you cannot believe it. No normal being is so afraid of death. The founder of psychoanalysis was so afraid that even the word “death” was not to be pronounced in front of him - it was taboo. It was not to be talked about. Three times it had happened that somebody mentioned death and Sigmund Freud fell in a swoon, in a fit, became unconscious. He was so afraid of death that he avoided going to any cemetery, he avoided going to anybody who was dying, even a friend or disciple. Wherever there was anything concerning death he was absolutely panicked - and this man gives you psychoanalysis! His problems are not solved. He gets angry just like anybody else. He is jealous, more jealous than anybody else. He is greedy. He wants to monopolize, he wants to dominate people. He creates almost an empire of psychoanalysts around the world, but everybody has to repeat like parrots whatever he says. Anybody who says anything different is immediately expelled. It seems it is not science but a political party or a fanatic religion - not scientific research. And the same is true about Jung. Jung came to India to meet someone… because in the East people have been working on the mind for thousands of years. But they have never developed anything like psychoanalysis; they developed meditation - a totally different approach. What is the use of analyzing the rubbish of the mind? - sorting it out… it takes years. There are people who have been in psychoanalysis for fifteen years and they have reached nowhere. They have changed their psychoanalyst in the hope that perhaps somebody else will help, but they have not reached anywhere else. They cannot, because all that psychoanalysis does - all the schools, whether Adlerian or Jungian or Freudian - is to sort out the rubbish of your mind, interpret it according to their minds. And what is the point of it all? In the East we have not developed psychoanalysis, we have developed meditation. Meditation simply takes you away from the garbage, takes you beyond the garbage - it is not worth bothering about. And if you want to bother about it you can go on bothering for lives. You will not come to an end. But just being a witness to your mind, without doing anything to the mind - just being aloof, just seeing it as if thoughts are moving on a screen and simply watching it without any judgment of good and bad - a strange experience happens: thoughts slowly start disappearing. Soon a moment comes when there is only an empty screen - no thoughts. And when there is no object, no thought for your consciousness, it turns back upon itself because there is nothing preventing it; that is exactly the meaning of the word ‘object’ - it prevents, it objects. When there is no object the consciousness goes… and just as everything moves in circles in existence, consciousness also moves in a circle. It comes back upon its own source. And the meeting of the consciousness with its own source is the explosion of light, the greatest celebration that a man is capable of, the greatest orgasmic experience. And it is not something that happens and is finished. No, once it has happened, it continues. It remains with you. It becomes almost like your breathing. You live in it twenty-four hours a day. Jung had come to India in search of someone, to find out what the East has done to create so many people like Gautam Buddha - not one but hundreds who have gone beyond mind and all its troubles and problems, worries, anxieties. What is the secret? He was going to universities, meeting psychoanalysts, and everywhere he was told, “You are wasting your time. These people are not the right people. These people have gone to the West to learn psychoanalysis and they are teaching psychoanalysis in the universities. You have come to search and seek somebody who is absolutely untouched by the West. And there is a man.” And there was a man - Shri Raman Maharshi. Wherever Jung went - and he was there for three months - everywhere the same name was given to him. “Go to Arunachal in South India and meet this man who is uneducated, who knows nothing of psychoanalysis; he is the man the East has been able to produce. Just go and sit with him and talk with him and listen to him. If you have some questions, ask him.” But you will be surprised: Jung never went there. And later on, feeling that he will be criticized, Jung wrote, “I consideredly did not go to Raman Maharshi because the East has its own way, the West has its own way, and they should not be mixed” - just to protect himself from criticism. Then why did he go to India at all? He was told again and again to go to a man who was available, which is rare, and he did not go there, although he went up to Madras, from where it was only a two hour journey to Arunachal! Jung did not go to the man, whom just by meeting he would have seen how a clear man is, how a man is who has cleaned his mind completely - his eyes, his gestures, his words, his authority. He does not quote scriptures, he knows himself. Jung did not go there, and he himself felt guilty. To defend himself he started writing that the East and the West have different ways. This is nonsense, because man - whether in the East or in the West - is the same. And it is strange that he was teaching Eastern students Western psychology. He should have refused because this is mixing East and West. If he was really honest then he should have said, “You go back to the East.” He was teaching Eastern students Western psychology, but he was not ready to go to an Eastern meditator, just to meet him. What is the fear? The fear is that Jung is as normal a person as you are - just knowledgeable. He has gathered from books, but he has no authentic experience of his own. Western psychoanalysis is just a business. It is cheating people. It is simply exploiting people without any help, and because there is no other alternative people have to go to it. The psychoanalysts themselves go to other psychoanalysts. And psychoanalysts go mad more than any other profession! They commit suicide more than any other profession; they are more perverted in every way than any other profession."
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