I think I would prefer Seddie if it wasn't so abusive. If Sam had just been teasing Freddie so they started out with a mutual dislike, with both of them slowly becoming nicer to each other, I would have really liked it. But considering that Sam was so physically violent towards him and it never really got addressed, I can't really support it.

So cute seeing Freddie going from the shortest of the trio to being the tallest.

Am I the only one that grew up hating the idea of BOTH ships?? Both Creddie & Seddie felt forced and honestly the show would’ve been so much better if they chose to do one option as a love arc but not both. It honestly would’ve been so much better for all of them to remain friends who don’t have romantic feels for the other cause that’s how teen relationships irl works. Just because you have a guy friend doesn’t mean he’s the next candidate to date because you didn’t get your way. Some friends are better off as just that- FRIENDS

I liked Sam and Freddie because it did feel more genuine. All the times Carly and Freddie dated at the start was semi forced. Carly wanted someone to dance with and Freddie was willing to give her one. Freddie saved Carly so she felt guilty and wanted to thank him the only way she knew how. For Sam, she tried to avoid it but had to face that she did. But both ships honestly don't work because of how the show worked. The jokes are always centered around violence and weird is funny. I haven't watched it in a while so I'm not sure if I'm right. That's just how I see it, it can never be healthy because the goal and humor of the show doesn't match the characters having a healthy relationship.

I was always a “seddie” fan as a kid even though it wasnt something i cared about too much. creddie has the weird undertones of it not being natural while seddie did.

i cant look at sam and freddie’s first kiss the same knowing how uncomfortable jeanette was when they filmed it

This show is an example of one of those times where neither relationship should have happened.

i shipped seddie as a kid because it was the more interesting ship, but as an adult i have gained the opinion that both ships were gross

Creedie in the original show: Please no, anything but that Creddie in the revival: actually kind of cute

Big brain energy: Sarly

I’m a fan of complex relationships. But I definitely prefer a boring ship to a toxic ship. I was 100% team Creddie. Their dynamic was realistic and sweet. I just couldn’t fathom falling for someone who has repeatedly enacted physical violence against you for fun.

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that Freddie dated both of them and everyone is okay with that?

in my head, the weird nickelodeon logic of violence doesn't hold up, so I just kind of ignore that part when I prefer Sam and Freddie. They both clearly liked each other more and had way more chemistry. it felt like the writers just wrote them to fail just because they didn't want anyone in a relationship. in sam and cat, Sam calls Freddie the only man she's ever loved, and to me that solidifies that it was their relationship that was stronger and made more sense. in the reboot, the only reason they made Creddie endgame was because Jenette McCurdy didn't want to return (for good reason), but I would bet that if she were able to return, Seddie would make a comeback because of what Sam said in Sam and Cat. also in my opinion the kiss between Carly and Freddie made zero sense in the season finale. I did enjoy watching Carly and Freddie's relationship blossom in the revival but if Sam was able to be there, I'd prefer Seddie

people like the idea of Seddie more than they like Seddie itself. It came out of nowhere, not to mention you can see many times, Sam GENUINELY detested freddy at times and found him annoying. i honestly wish, they became closer and then slowly started falling for each other, wouldve been a much better development than to have Sam one random day she was in love with Freddie. Even as a couple, they were always fighting and it was terrible. I think the only realitistic thing about their relationship in the show is how incompatible they were as a couple. Also they had to take Carly as their therapist on their dates, because they needed someone to help them solve their issues. i think Creddie worked better in the new show than it did in the old show. People talk about Carly never loving Freddie, but truth to is, Freddie also used to have some school boy crush on her and followed Carly around like a puppy, which wasn’t exactly Carly’s fault, she wasn’t entitled to have feelings back for him. i like how the new show addressed that they had problems in the original show. i prefer older creddie over old creddie and seddie, frankly they were teenagers with issues.

as a kid I always hated sam x freddie because sam literally always treated freddie terribly and didn’t even bother to change after they got together. the fact they chose to stay together after failing to improve doesn’t mean they’re meant to be, it just means that freddie is a meek person who’s in an abusive relationship. like i get that people don’t like carly x freddie because freddie is cringey and a big simp in the early seasons but he was like 12. and i feel like if you’re only option is originally cringey and abusive, originally cringey is the better option

It’s so weird that even after a decade, the writers were still like “let’s make these ships toxic.” I think it’s kinda 💩y that the spinoff & the reboot just didn’t make it so the characters developed past these unhealthy mindsets & behaviours. Carly, Sam, & Freddy need therapy, not a relationship :/

Seddie was by far the most toxic relationship I've ever seen back then on live TV as a kid. Even back then it was obvious that they weren't compatible. Relationships like that in the real world often ends up in messy divorces, arguments, and assault.

Creddie has such a balanced, supportive relationship now, they have moved past the previous toxicity in their childhood relationship and grown together. It transitioned quite naturally for me into a romantic one. They have similar love languages, wants & desires in a relationship, their personalities compliment each other; Freddie is that grounding force to Carly’s more flighty tendencies e.g It just works for me now that they are adults. Also even if Sam was in the revival, I don’t think Seddie would have worked mainly because their fulfilment comes from very different sources. Sam values her freedom & independence, and Freddie’s dream is to have that white picket fence life. I could see them not being able to make each other happy in the long run.

I never liked Seddie as a kid because of how violent Sam acted towards Freddie

I don't think Creddie came out of nowhere, and I don't think it's weird that it's endgame. As a Creddie shipper from the start, maybe I'm a little biased, but people grow and evolve their whole lives. Even though both kept the personality traits that made them the amazing people they are, they also changed in some ways. Carly didn't like Freddie in the original series because he wasn't the kind of guy teenage Carly went for. However, now they are both adults, and dating now is a lot different. Now, they are not dating because of their crazy teenage hormones. When adults date, most of them think about whether or not they can build a good life and future with the person they are with. Freddie has always supported Carly, regardless of how they felt about one another and Carly has tried to do the same. Adult Freddie became the kind of guy adult Carly wants, and their friendship and history actually made it easier for them to be sure.

I agree, the show definitely played into the ships while simultaneously mocking the shippers. Extremely odd move to blatantly disrespect the people watching the show when they are the reason for why some episodes hit record numbers. Idk, weird.

Personally I agree that the original writers only used the ships for Ratings boost. Both of the ships were weird and had a lot of problems. The difference feels in how the revival handles the relationship considering they actually developed Creddie way better in much less time even acknowledging how their childhood dynamic wasn't healthy.

I remember liking both ships as a kid when I first initially watched iCarly. And I do think Sam might've been Freddie's first wife a few years after the Sam & Cat episode and before he married Gwen, and before he took an interest in Carly again, but Sam and Freddie may have divorced after a month or two because they both drove each other crazy.

Freddie didn't want Carly hurt much so that he literally saves her from being hit in an accident and got hit instead. That legit would shake anyone up including me that someone loves me that much and would tilt me to question if I would reciprocate his/her feelings. Carly wasn't 'guilty' she was moved by what he did and decided to actually give a relationship with him a shot and had second thoughts on her feelings which is still subjective, only she herself can tell of her true feelings, if she truly liked him or not then, not Sam, not Freddie! But Freddie did right to call it off and sacrifice to wait till the time was right for them, that's how much he's in love with her and not willing to take advantage of her. What was the actual forced thing in iCarly's history? SEDDIE, was and always will be. Sam hated on Freddie for years, she dated other guys on that show and never was mean to them in fact even changed herself to be girlier for them and suddenly all her abuse and unwarranted meanness to Freddie was supposed to be 'ignored' because she woke up one day and says she likes him? Freddie himself too, had to dumbed so down and his feelings made irrelevant to reciprocate his bully/abuser Sam's feelings just because?? The writers forced in that wannabe enemies to lovers narrative as fanservice so hard it was glaring. The actors' acting during that arc of episodes was so telling of how unnatural it was and had all the characters acting so OOC just to sell it. Seddie never made sense in canon, it just sounded good in theory or on paper. The problem is y'all seem to want to be 'understanding only to your idea of Sam as a character' without considering the other characters involved in this, most especially Freddie much less, Carly.

Can we talk about when Freddy dated Sam’s “twin sister” ?

I've always hated Seddie. As a kid I never liked the "if a boy is mean to you, that means he likes you" thing the adults tried to push on me, so I never liked the idea that Sam, who was so mean to Freddie, secretly liked him. Their relationship was so toxic, too. They were together for three episodes and the three episodes were "Sam and Freddie literally cannot be alone together for 2 seconds without fighting" "Sam ruined Freddie's opportunities because Freddie didn't know the time, also she's so violent that she sends Gibby to the hospital because she can't abuse Freddie anymore" and "Sam gets Freddie kicked out of his club and tries to smuggle ham in his pants" And people looked at that and thought "omg how romantic"??? And don't get me started and Carly basically telling Freddie he can't be mad about how Sam treats him cause that's just how she is. In the end, Creddie didn't happen because Carly didn't like Freddie. Easily fixable. Seddie didn't happen cause everything about their dynamic is toxic and them kissing doesn't hide that. There was no way to make their relationship healthy without changing everything about how they interact.

I think I really like the idea of Seddie more than Creddie. One thing because it subverts expectations as you expect the leading female to get with the leading male, and also it would be a great enemies to friends to lovers story and I like the romantic idea that Freddie's feelings for Carly where just a boyish crush and he found something more in the girl that was always next to her and thought they detested each other but in fact realise they liked each other. Though it didn't happen in the show it would have been nice, I'd have liked if they kept the making fun of each other but got rid of the violence part, though I don't think the writers really wanted anyone in a relationship which is fair it's their show but I think they passed up an opportunity for a really good storyline.

Sam never grew up in a healthy home, nor did Freddie. They were always opposites, but complemented each other. Sam grew up with distant parents who never took care of her, Freddie grew up with an overprotective mother who never let him do what he wanted. They even liked similar things like MMA and technology. Sam was violent with Freddie because she liked him, does that mean she was right? No, but she didn't know how else to do it. Even so, she has improved a lot in latest seasons, including defending nerds from bullies and they (Sam and Freddie) stopped hurting each other. If the writers had done something besides the violent jokes, and I blame Dan Schn**** a lot for that, they would be one of Nick's best couples. In the latest season of the show they were so cute and a lot more healthy, but yk... it was the latest season. Carly and Freddie were always better as friends, Carly always only paid attention to Freddie (and this also happened in the Revival) when he already had someone. Freddie was always Carly's last option. Yes, Seddie is a problematic ship in many different ways, but Creddie was never healthy either. Carly manipulated Freddie to get what she wanted, "please, for me." Freddie spied on Carly through the door like a stalker and purposely scared many of Carly's love interests. Carly said they were just friends, but then she kissed him and gave him hope. None of these ships really work, due to the writers' fault, but at least one of them is interesting and not boring. No character or ship on iCarly is healthy because the show was not written to be healthy. And I think it's very bad of the cast to have agreed to do the series when the actress of the most famous character didn't accept because of trauma. Without Sam, it's not iCarly.

These ships were just poorly written and executed. Looking back, Seddie really had no development at all and never evolved past their toxic/abusive dynamic that honestly perpetuated the bully/bullied trope more than enemies-to-lovers, which is pretty problematic for a show targeted to kids. The idea of Seddie seems more interesting, in theory, just like opposites attract, love-hate, enemies-to-lovers. But honestly, Seddie was a refreshing take on why such tropes don't always lead to successful relationships. Their entering into a relationship all a sudden doesn't automatically change the fact that they’re just worlds apart from each other, resulting in them clashing and breaking up. As for Creddie, they weren’t even that bad, just underexplored hence I never cared for them as a kid but they were definitely a more compatible pairing than Seddie. I find that the revival handled relationships better. Creddie actually have a more genuine and balanced connection this time that developed naturally into a romantic one. There is a sense of trust, depth, and maturity that makes them work now, even acknowledging their unhealthy dynamic in the past. Adult Creddie have pretty much outgrown every ship in the OG (theirs included) hence using the OG as criticism for why they won’t work isn’t valid anymore. People grow up, feelings change, dynamics change…that’s just life. It’s really not that wild to me that Creddie was endgame because they actually have shared values, interests, and desires that create a good foundation for a healthy relationship. Regardless of ship preference, revival Creddie is just an objectively better relationship than both those ships in the original show.

as someone who watched tv show while it was airing i would like to point out that there was poll on creddie vs seddie ship on icarly web site. most of the time results were pretty close with seddie always being in lead, and they did end up winning. i remember seddie always being bit more popular but that could be me cause i prefered that ship so i came across it more often.

I think he was better with Carly in the end. He wants stability, a family, and all the traditional things. Carly was more likely to provide that - not in the original Icarly (where she was a bit shallow and flaky) but definitely in the reboot when she grew up. Sam, on the other hand, is a traveller, very independent, and basically a walking-talking adrenaline rush. It's unlikely that that'll ever change. She would need someone who is more on her level.

I liked Sam and Freddie when they were teenagers and I like Carly and Freddie now that they are adults

I never liked Seddie as a kid. Sam was always trying to hurt Freddie for the sake of it, and I mean HURT him, not tease him or pull small pranks. I know it may be a way of her to show affection due to her hard background, but it’s always shown as comedy and not “deep.” I think Sam may have had feelings for Freddie but I could never see him have feelings for her. I was never crazy about Creddie, either, but I liked it a lot more. I never cared about the ships much in this show anyway, though. This show was about comedy and that’s why I watched it.

seddie will always have a special place in my heart because it was the first ship I really remember shipping but growing up I do realise how toxic it was that Sam was so abusive to him. but you’ll never catch me shipping creddie because it’s just so… meh to me. I did hate how the later seasons became focused on the love triangle that was left unresolved and felt so forced. but this is a dan schneider show we’re talking about and they don’t really have many relationships that feel organic. it is a bit ironic though that both Carly and Sam were why their relationships with Freddie ended in the original series, with Sam saying Carly only loved Freddie because he saved her life while Carly indirectly made them realise they were forcing their relationship. And shippers on both sides need to acknowledge that both pairings only originally got together out of fan service. Neither had any build up and were barely acknowledged again after they ended despite their significance to the series which has always annoyed me.

As a kid I was way more into Seddie because I was a sucker for a enemies to lovers trope, but now looking back I don't think either of them were good. Carly didn't have real feelings for him in the original show, she just had a close friendship with him and Sam might have had real feelings for him, but she didn't respect him

Yep fun fact istart a fan war was made to address this exact thing

When i watched the show as a kid i hated both ships, i was little and i didn't like couples, i wanted all of them to be friends. But then i watched more and more, and somehow i started to ship Creddie. I liked them a lot and didn't like Seddie, for me they was toxic. I'm so happy that they finally made Carly and Freddie together in the reunion ❤

Honestly growing up, both ships kinda suck, but creddie sucks less because it’s less toxic. They’re both abusive, Seddie physical and Creddie emotional

I never understood seddy shippers. Sam literally bullied Freddy

We didn't have cable as a kid, so I only knew a little bit about iCarly. But whenever I watched it, I thought Creddie was kinda cute by default (I don't begrudge a ship for being a little vanilla), but I was disappointed Carly didn't like Freddie as much as he liked her so I didn't think it would happen. And when I heard they kissed, despite not knowing much about the show, I still was happy for them. Seeing them in the revival was really REALLY heartwarming because Carly finally explored her genuine feelings and gave Freddie an honest chance... and we've never seen her more in love. They became childhood friends-to-lovers and it's actually so sweet because Freddie loved her since he was like 10 and they've always supported each other and now the timing is finally right. With Seddie, my default reaction is to hate the idea for the usual (toxic) reasons. I even remember being confused when I saw that Sam and Freddie kissed because I thought they hated each other. Now as an adult, when I try to understand the appeal, I can see why people may have wanted them to work in an enemies-to-lovers, Good Guy Fixes Broken Girl, opposites-attract kind of way. But I don't think that's how they were written. They have a good rapport when they bicker on screen, but ultimately they're just not built for that kind of relationship to become romantic. For one thing, Freddie doesn't actually enjoy conflict and he wants to be supported not berated. For another thing, Sam never respected Freddie or let herself grow into a person who could be good for more than 10 minutes (because of the writers tho).

Forget Creddie. The real closure I needed was what happened to Spencer and Carly's mom. Yes, it was explained in the reboot that their mom divorced their dad and abandoned them as children, but why? Why did she divorce their dad? I wanted to hear her side of the story! We don't even know what she looks like. Honesty I am so pissed.

Creddie is better in the reboot because it matured over the years and that they been through a lot together and it would be the start of a deeper and healthier relationship with each other. I can see the point of this relationship. I can ship it in the reboot than the original series. Seddie was better in Sam and Cat because Sam is less abusive towards Freddie and this is a start for them to be in a healthy relationship as well as deepen their connection. I can see the point of this relationship too. I support this ship in this series as well. Seddie was not cannon in the reboot because Jennette McCurdy did not want to come back to the show and how she was forced into acting by her mom which was traumatic for her and she is healing and working on herself. That is why the reboot show gave us Creddie. They made a nice nod to Sam in Season 1 of the reboot though.

Completely off topic, but Sam’s outfit when she kisses Freddy at the school is so cute

if sam didn't change freddie's answers, his life would be wayyyy different probably

Its clear from the Revival that Carly and Freddie really do fit well together after that one episode of them being together in the OG show. Sam and him together just couldn't work because of how abusive she was to him and also never showed a hint to liking him until the confession episode. Maybe if they had her have a secret crush on him from the beginning and thats why she picked on him (while also toning down her abusive nature), I could've bought them being together.

I used to love Sam and Freddie😭😭 makes sense considering I’m a sucker for enemies to lovers🥹 but yeah they were toxic

I’ve never watched iCarly myself (didn’t grow up watching Nick), but the whole apparent failure on the writers’ part to explore either ship in a satisfying way really reminds me of Lucaya and Rucas from Girl Meets World. Fans got really intense about both of those ships, too, and the writers of GMW definitely knew how popular they were, but they seriously ruined both arcs by dragging on the triangle too long (and ruining Maya’s character through it, which was just BS). Neither ship really got a satisfying run, to the point where it seems like even the actors playing the 3 respective characters were over it by the end - and when Rucas got together, their relationship wasn’t even really taken seriously by the writers, so there’s not much incentive to care by the time they officially become boyfriend and girlfriend. Just wasted opportunities all round.

Firstly, I do have to say Creddie was the most popular amongst casual viewers and Seddie was the most popular amongst the iCarly fandom, winning polls and being very vocal about everything. As someone who was in the iCarly fandom since season 2 and literally has seen everything from the original series, I can guarantee you iSaved Your Life was only popular because they teased not only Creddie, for the casual viewers, but Seddie with the "How will Sam react?". I remember me and my gc at the time were very hyped about the episode and we were Seddie shippers lmao. (I watched your Victorious video as well and there is the same regarding Bori and Bade even tho i have to actually meet someone who shipped Bori lmao) That being said, I do have a feeling the writers intended for Seddie since the beginning and I could do a list of things that proves it, like color theory in media, but they did not know how to handle the characters with enough care to make it canon in a satisfying way and, at the time, they probably regreted teasing both ships and just destroyed any possiblity for any of them not really growing the characters in any sort of way. Nowadays, I honestly think Sam is fruity in some way and Freddie was her scapegoat for everything she felt in high school like anger, frustration and love. Freddie IS the only man Sam have ever loved and probably the only one she ever will. They did not know how to handle Sam so they made her be 24/7 just food and violence and, everytime there was a hint of an actual development, it was swept under the carpet. And Seddie went with it. I honestly think is very ooc of season 4's Sam to do that to Freddie's application even before they started dating and tbh, even as a Seddie shipper, everything about their relationship in that 5 episodes arc was ooc for them. Like you said: they wanted it to go bad. For Creddie, tbh, I've always hated it. It's so boring. And I definitely was one of the people that iStart a Fan War described lol. But they could be a good couple given actual development in the og series and I'd be okay with that. And i do think that in the new series, even if Sam was in the picture, Carly and Freddie make the most sense as they actually have the development they should've had in the original one and, thinking about everything Sam was and probably still is, she would never fit the lifestyle Freddie wants being a divorced parent as Carly does and I'm glad both Freddie and Carly got the development they deserved in the new series. Alas, it's still very clear for me the original series was intended to have Seddie endgame and the reboot one to have Creddie. Dan Schneider always liked the enemies to lovers trope and played with that a lot in his other shows and he did it well in every single one of them except iCarly and Victorious. I wish he wasn't such a shitty person, it probably would't reflect so much in these shows

Even though I was an overall Creddie shipper as a kid, the Seddie arc was my favorite.

Assuming most of the audience has actually matured, this shouldn't even be a debate any longer.. Creddie wasn't perfect but they were the right natural answer since the beginning that never played out forcd or done to pander some fanservice fantasy

as a kid i always felt like creddie felt forced, and it still felt that way to me for the reboot show

When I was a kid, I never could decide which ship I like (I never cared about their dating lives anyway). Now as an adult, I can tell that was because both ships suck. Creddie sucks because it's impossible to get yourself out of such a deep friend zone Freddie was in. Carly could never see kid Freddie as someone more than a good friend. Which never stopped her from using his crush on her in her interests. And Freddie was an annoying stalker. Yes, Freddie managed to make Carly his girlfriend in reboot, but it happened only after they became proper friends. And if Pearl didn't think Freddie and Carly were in love and took something like Freddie 101 from Carly instead, Creddie as an adult couple would never happen. Seddie sucks because it was completely unexpected. Sam and Freddie weren't even friends. They never happened to appreciate each other as a friend. The most common thing they've ever done was bickering and fighting. And let's be honest, it is normal to bully a boy you have a crush on when you're a kindergartener, but it's really weird when you are sixteen. And it's even more weird to reciprocate a feeling from a girl who has a crush on you, when the only thing you knew from her was bullying and humiliation. But Creddie as adults is still amazing. It's about trust, appreciation and complete harmony. She knows the real Freddie and loves him for him. And he knows the real Carly and loves her for her.

Im my opinion At least in the OG series despite the arguing sam and Freddie just had way more chemistry then Carly and Freddie and that’s why more fans shipped them together back then

I never shipped either during the original run. I got used to Seddie because.... Well..... I had no choice 😂 I did, however, really enjoy the reboot! They did an amazing job (in my UN-professional opinion 😂) with the slow burn. It felt natural under the circumstances of the history of their relationship on the original show. I am happy with where they went with them & adore the blended family they have💖✨

Lmaoo Sam looks so creepy just staring into the void while kissing Freddie in the opening seconds of the video. It's kinda creepy to have your eyes open while making out with someone imo

children shows normalising dating your best friend’s ex 🎉🎉

i actually really liked creddie in the reboot, but for the original i didnt really ship anyone tbh lol

Growing up i preferred Seddie just because i liked Sam more than Carly but rewatching as an adult neither ship is good. Sam was abusive and I was never convinced Carly actually had any romantic feelings for Freddie. Honestly Nickelodeon just sucka at building good relationships in general, Disney had them beat in that department and Disney wasn't even all that good at it either.

I think the Web o con shipping episode wasn’t AS bad of a dig at the fans as it came across. Remember, those shippers were shipping REAL people, and we, as viewers, are shipping fictional characters.

I hated this show growing up... So why am i watching KZfaq videos about the shipping 😂😂

Btw idk if u are looking for more series to cover but degrassi should be one of them if u heard or watched it before but love ur vids 😊😩

they're both terrible. creddie was one-sided in the original and no matter how much she tried, carly didnt like freddie romantically whereas sam was just toxic and abusive toward freddie and it didnt change much after they dated. i will say that as a kid i preferred seddie since it didnt feel one-sided

It should have been Seddie because in the world of television and movies, the two people who hate each other the most always end up together. Also Carly was the main protagonist not Freddie so there's no reason for them to end up together, because if it was about Freddie you could argue that's the girl of his dreams and stuff like that but Carly should be someone other than her best guy friend. Raven didn't end up with Eddie, Miley didn't end up with Oliver, and sure Lizzie ended up with Gordo but they have been best friends since they were kids and they secretly liked each other anyways so it's different. Freddie has probably only been crushing on Carly since 6th grade and even if it was longer she never showed interest and the only time she did was when he saved her life.

I liked Seddie as a kid…..as an adult I think they had ZERO good reason for having Freddie date someone who treated him like shit on a regular basis and was essentially a bully to him.

I personally think that none of them were good to be with Freddie. Sam was mean to him all the time and Carly simply didn't like him in a romantic way. Both relationships seemed very forced.

I never liked any of the ships TBH, but ESPECIALLY didn't care much for Sam and Freddie. It feels like an extreme version of "if she picks on you, that means she likes you"...really shows the toxicity of the sort of things

They both can be too jealous and kniving Sams jealousy flared when She told Freddie she only liked him because he saved her life I know it would piss me off if someone I was dating said that the way he did her jealousy translated to his doubt about his dream girl liking him back, ever since Freddie and Carly never stood a chance you like or love someone you want them to have what they wanted I mean she evesdropped to find out he never kissed anyone she didn't interrupt or anything which is alright I guess. As far as Seddie goes, I don't think the beginning Sam liked freddie at all. Then that date she said something that had me like wow she was seeing him halfway dead thinking he was kinda cute, sam was projecting. Worse than that she bought a taco from that truck, what was it a Thank You, so many places she could have gone and she chose to eat from and pay money toward the truck that dang nearly killed the guy she called herself liking or loving. Love is selfless but what sam done was exponentially worse! I guess by the Freddie shipments for freddies sake I say Creddie. Because it wasnt a consulation prize anything carly you choosing freddie last to date was a consolation prize, he liked being your friend too. He really did, to just kiss him for closure was false because it wasn't that one kiss. There were so many instances. Maybe kissing him you discovered you liked it, but come on you say its closure. Neville was an incel, but freddie he loved you and he would have done anything for you. He treated you like a princess the longest time, he didn't deserve that!

The povs and reasons backing them in this comment section really sound like people stuck in their childood fantasy theories ngl. Like it's as if y'all haven't still matured 💀

This guy has the best vid ideas

I was never a fan of seddie. It didn't make sense to me and I didn't like their dynamic. It was clear they were compatible. I loved creddie in the og and then even more so in the revival. They just fit.

I always shipped Seddie! They had more chemistry and opposites attract.

Not about the ships but if paramount thought they completed what they set up creddie why leave on we were about to meet their mom? And as for the ships, i was a creddie shipt since I didn’t think Seddie was a healthy relationship how abusive Sam treated Freddie

I was defiantly a Sedie shipper. I don't know why but I still am now and refuse to watch the reboot cuz of it and other reasons

While it is fine to ship Sam and Freddie out of context, people need to grasp the fact that they DO NOT WORK AS A COUPLE. They have absolutely zero compatibility and they fought over every little thing when they dated. Yet people continue saying that they should have become endgame as if their minds were completely turned off fangirling over their romantic affection.

And then for some reason they started hinting towards creddie at the end of season two well duh kid grew an extra foot taller!

Can you please do a video on Every Witch Way , the Nickelodeon show that had a new episode every day

OK so here’s the thing I think having a dead fish in your locker is gross no so bad but gross and being handcuffed to gibby honestly that dose not seem so bad Gibbys a nice kid I know it would be a little annoying but Sam overreacted so much she could have just pied him in the face or pored ice down his shirt or dumbed pudding over his head I think public humiliation is over kill and Sam was way to insane she is just as bad as jade from victorious they both belong in jail

Imagine if it was two guy best friends and a girl that was passed around the both of them, that wouldn’t seem as cute but it’s basically why either ship happens because Freddie is just there so if the girls can’t get a hotter boy then they just get Freddie interested in them to make them feel better and then will be over him if a better option comes along I would believe the relationships more if they lasted and no other romantic interests were good enough and they’d just turn all other boys down because they’re in love with Freddie

i hate that the reboot puts carly with freddie if she actually liked him she wouldnt have rejected him ALL those times plus him and sam have such good chemistry

What she says: I'm fine. What she means: In the iCarly special 'isavedyourlife', Sam sabotaged Carly and Freddies relationship by getting into Freddies head and convincing him that Carly was confused and didn't really care for him. (Which was proven false by Carlys obvious upset during Sam and Freddies relationship and in the finale when Carly kissed Freddie goodbye.) Carly and Sam discussed her first kiss with Freddie right after it happened so Sam had to have known that Carly did really care for him. Sam betrayed Carly by tricking Freddie into breaking up with her and then dating him herself. (Which Carly allowed because she wanted her friends to be happy) so all in all; Sam was the worst friend and totally selfish, not to mention literally ABUSED Freddie before and during their relationship and Creddie was way healthier and should have been Endgame.

i both love and hate creddie and seddie in og show. creddie is like "i hve crush, i friend with my crush, i finally made my crush my gf" type of relationship, but it's obvious that it was one-sided and carly never love freddie. while seddie is "enemies to lovers" kind of relationship, but despite they're lovers, they still have very toxic-like arguments. also all 3 of them were teens so it's obvious that both never worked out. (plus its a teen show so Nick want that sweet2 high rating.) i do love revival take on creddie. its lowkey very mature and revival also acknowledge their unhealthy relationship during og show run. also is it me or the writers already made pattern hinting thst creddie is the endgame. both carly and freddie also kinda very parallel like they having problems finding new lovers in revival. like season 1: carly with her wes, season 2: freddie with pearl, then s3 being creddie.

You should do the girl meets world ships 😂

I was always Pro-Seddie. I think it was better written, for one. But, as a child, I identified with both Sam and Freddie. Sam was really damaged, I could very much relate to that. When you’re damaged, your reaction to unfamiliar emotions (good or bad) is very skewed compared to what’s healthy and right. Sam liking Freddy didn’t feel forced to me, because through all her aggression I was able to empathize with the soft side she can’t come to terms with. I think if they went Seddie, and simply wrote in Sam growing to be a respectable girlfriend but strong woman, it would’ve been my perfect conclusion.

Creddie is meant to be

I'm still mad they didnt made Creddie real or at least made the relastiop grow in the original series. MY CHILDHOOD NEEDED THAT.

I was always a seddie shipper because I found Sam's character as one of my favorites

Creddie always felt so gross and unnatural for some reason

Unrelated but the most unrealistic aspect of the original icarly show was that in canon none their fans shipped sam and carly 🤷

As a teen, I was crazy about seddie, cause I loved Sam and had the biggest crush on her and Freddie. As an adult, I hate it! It's toxic af, rarely do you see something so freaking toxic, and in a kids show nonetheless! Like yeah, let's teach kids that that person that abuses you, hurts you, almost kills you, is good for you ❤. Hell no

I can't believe this in this time and age and as well trying hard to smudge the revival show. You should stop dragging into and still trying to blame Carly in this. Ship your ship all you want but LEAVE HER(CARLY) ALONE. Freddie and Sam were the ones who began USING her to solve their fights even till late in the night at 3am!! and all Carly did want her friends happy and all she did was sensible, your ship just had no common ground to foster a relationship whatsoever & you can't deny that. It is not Carly's fault Sam and Freddie heard(when she was not even talking to or about them) what they did and reflected on it that it was also true in relation to them and broke up ON THEIR OWN. Quit looking for who to blame because your favourite pair only argued and could not work as a couple and even admitted so by themselves, at the end of the original show Freddie KISSED Carly in case you want to forget that his feelings for Carly remained even long after he broke up with Sam. I don't see anyone posting and blaming Sam for keeping Freddie and Carly apart even when what happened was that Sam directly told Freddie to break things off with Carly in iSavedYourLife. All your wishful assumptions won't change the fact that Freddie always was and is compatible with Carly as a couple till the very end, it was even reemphasized in Sam&Cat that he is in love with Carly and Sam knew Freddie never got over his love for Carly. The original show writers gave them a chance to try dating already and Freddie and Sam acknowledged on their own that they were better off being friends, if anything it was Freddie and Sam that always quarreled over the flimsiest things like siblings, typical Freddie as a brother being bullied by his younger sister Sam.

Seddie was a more interesting pairing but would never work as an endgame ship. They aren't good friends to each other, with their only common thread being Carly.

As a kid I didn't like either ship. For Creddie, Freddie was very openly in love with her but Carly didn’t show interest back so I just wasn't into it, like if either she didn't know or had reciprocated more it would have been fine. For Seddie, I kind of prefered it to Creddie in theory and I love a good enemies to lovers, but Sam was awful and physically violent to Freddie so it wasn't actually a good ship to me. I just hoped he'd get over both of them and if anything they date non main characters

22:26 “in a fit of rage” 😂

Both relationships seem unhealthy

i always preferred seddie tbh edit: except when they were actually dating lol

Unfortunately seddie fandom people seemed to have populated the internet then and aggressively bullied most Creddies off so it was presumed that they were more popular so Dan trolled down that fanservice plot then baiting for views. Both the ship and shippers of Freddie with Sam were that toxic and notably the view ratings of iCarly tanked following the seddie arc. Like they most contributedly went as far as sending hate threats to Nathan kress' wife all because they wanted to force the narrative that Freddie was meant to be with Sam and thus Nathan with Jennette😒 some of them still obsess over that till now.

Tbh I didn’t want either of these to work out unless Seddie grew out of the abusiveness I guess. For Creddie I always saw it as Freddie was only in love with the idea of Carly it’s an obsessive crush without properly getting to know her also Carly didn’t have feelings for him except for when he saved her life and they dated briefly only for Freddie to breakup with her wanting the superhero thing to go away which it did and everything went back to normal. The kiss in the finale felt out of nowhere to me. I like the idea that he liked the idea of her but now that they have formed a proper relationship with her and no longer worships her and he does love her but as a friend. For Seddie I get why people like.. I like it but it’s not healthy as literally shown through their relationship arc, Sam was physically abusive in and out of their romantic relationship. They constantly argued, there were to many problems in their relationship. They love each other but that doesn’t mean they should be together. I see that in Sam and Cat as well as Sam admits Freddie is the only man she ever loved which actually makes sense looking back on her romantic relationships and her and Freddie will always have a bond. At the end of the episode it seemed like they were still friends and going to continue being friends. Yes they have a lot of chemistry and they are fun to watch but yeah they weren’t healthy in a romantic relationship and I was fine with the idea of none of them ending up together and being best friends practically family

I hated Creddie growing up (and still do tbh) because of just how creepy/clingy Freddie came off, especially in earlier seasons. He didn’t just have unrequited feelings, he constantly shoved it in Carly’s face, forcing her to go through the awkwardness of acknowledging his feelings and rejecting him over and over again, trying to wear her down/guilt trip her into a date. I went through similar stuff with guys I thought I was friends with in middle school and high school and it was so annoying and awful to be ‘girlfriend-zoned’ like that. Sam/Freddie on the other hand took me completely by surprise, I’d never seen an “enemies to lovers” type of relationship dynamic before and I found it super interesting but I think it’s just because I’d never seen a similar idea, not because I would have shipped it on my own without the show making it happen. The Sam/Freddie first kiss was a really genuine moment of vulnerability. Personally I don’t know if I see Sam/Freddie as being ‘abusive’- Sam’s violence is played as a joke in the show, and people do still consider her a friend and like her and Carly also reinforces the idea that Sam is actually a good person. Obviously if these were real people it would be a completely different situation, but in the show I don’t think we’re meant to see it as abusive. But Carly/Freddie obviously had to be the focus of the reboot since Jeanette wasn’t in the show. Overall I don’t think they should have gone for either ship. Neither relationship was really compelling and they could have just had the three of them developing a strong friendship rather than having jealousy and competition.

Why are middle school kids so concerned about getting their first kiss so early I just cannot understand that like I've never had a first kiss and I don't care if I do or not but I'm aromantic so first kisses and first dates aren't important to me

I Love Carly and Freddie I think I would prefer Creddie