It's actually fine in boxing. When the count continues into a break, it's up to the referee to judge if the fighter can recover.

My problem is Dina talked all that shit and spent most of the match running away.

lol you guys need to chill on the running away bit she did her best and won in the chess its chessboxing not boxing. It all plays a part in it XD

True I'm team Dina well cuz she's like Russian like me but before that I'm boxer so i have to be Fair Andrea botez clearly won this match. Tbh I'm surprised how good she is at this her stamina and energy is amazing ,for a beginner she's brilliant tbh. Anyway according to boxing Rules Andrea should won tbh esp after the 3 stoppages the referee robbed her. But I'm proud of Dina she's chess grandmaster and did what she could at boxing. I hope there's Rematch

@@miloradowicz that count would have made her lose the match

Yeah the gift of youth I wish I still had the stamina of a 20 year old.

@@vashisl33t The average 20-year-old has shit stamina. If you train and keep training you don't lose much between 20 and 35, think in terms of elite marathon runners the difference between those age groups is around a minute.

Bro she's young and in shape 😐

@@alecevison3336 90 second rounds… You better wish a 20 year old could do that

Anyone that does sport regularly can have that type of energy lol. She is also 135lbs so she goes for volume and not for power.

Ref was absolutely right for stoppage...they are not men... If ref didn't stop on time it could be more worse

@@narutokiller8432 50% of the stops were unnecessary and only stalled time

​@@aethenios9131 dina literally run, like turn on her back and run, stoppage everytime but point deduction should occurred on regular boxing, but idk this look kind of a made up sports this the first time I've seen one🤣

😂😂😂😂

I thought I was watching an anime battle, "Dina just missed forced Mate!"

😂😂nice one

Levy you were excellent with the commentary!!!

At chess if you let your time running you lose. Period. So this Chessboxing thing favors more the boxing part. Not controversy at all for me. Dina won fair and square.

Nice

@@ieorlich in the 5th Dina was standing 8 counted 3 times. That’s a TKO the ref screwed up

He then talks to her for 4-5 seconds at the 5 second mark with Lud screaming 5 seconds left, and starts the count at 1 second left on the clock?????

Why’d they say 5 second left excitedly if the start of the count didn’t matter, surely at 1-9 seconds left Andrea COULDNT have won by TKO if he started a count and it just didn’t matter to the outcome, bc he literally started a third count in one round and a fourth overall, both giving it to Andrea.

It looked like the ref was a snail and that he wanted to feel their breast!! LOL

@@CrimsonZboss you can win by TKO with 1 second on the clock

DojiSan bruh that isn't what was happening at all and if it is why the fuck would you laugh at that. Please take a shower and go outside

Uh oh 💀

that guy is insufferable LMFAO

nooooooooooooooo

Can't blame him 💀

Fr

Literally this comment right here. Everyone is malding over Dina running down the clock as if Andrea hadn't done the literal same thing in the chess round prior. To me that's just kharma. There's no ref in the chess portion that said "Okay Andrea, you really have to move your piece now or get counted down. She was allowed to run the clock down in chess, but the same thing happens in the boxing round and everyone is losing their mind.

@@JimmyHeyit’s not really kharma, it’s just a part of the nuance of chessboxing!

@@JimmyHey nobody is upset at Dina. She played smart and to her strengths in boxing. The issue is that the ref paused for 5 seconds before actually starting counts

@@benjaminshields9421 yeah nah wtf is that reffing lol

@@JimmyHey I think it's less Dina and more the ref being questionable

@@ratchetandchank8648 what do you expect though, its a whole bunch of people that haven't had much experience boxing

Yeah, this was an extremely Ludwig events ever.

@@ratchetandchank8648 they are a bunch of streamers and not AJ or Usyk

@@zmrv0896 bro no shit. theres like actual pros like AJ who devote life to boxing, den there is yt boxing like jake ksi gib, den there are these twitch and lower yt boxers like from creator clash and popular celebrities. but its dam entertaining tho..

@@ratchetandchank8648 as would be expected from non professional boxers.. but since the skills are almost the same, it was entertaining... that ref though on botez v dina was slow as a slug!!! he robbed Andrea in the boxing match.

She's like hyper adhd 24/7. Meanwhile i need to pop caffeine pills just to get out of bed.

They should do Alex versus Andrea that would be awesome

@@filthy0819 Yes but naked, with UFC rules. Covered in oil.

@@edntz haram, brother

@@edntz bro go touch grass

I guess I‘m a bit confused because Lud says at 26:40 or so that she needed 4 standing knockdowns, not 3. Did he just misspeak or what? He seems to acknowledge that she got 3, so idk why that’s the controversy. But maybe I’m just misuderstanding.

@@germanvtubertranslations its either 4 over the entire match or 3 in one round. Andrea got both

@@aureus79 Gotcha, thanks!

@@germanvtubertranslations she did have 4 total overall and thats what he meant. its 3 in one round or 4 overall, she got both

I was so mad watching, if she had successfully run away fro 90 seconds that would have been fine (as long as she did it within the confines of the rules) but he started the third one and I'm sure like many people I started cheering just for none of the people in charge to seem to notice. The proof is undeniable and I hope Lud comments. Respect to both fighters though, they actually hopped into the ring while I'm here typing away on a cmputer.

Women

@@flurryquackers9356 more like a dog shit ref tbh

@@flurryquackers9356 This fight was little different than the fights before it. You're just sexist.

​@@flurryquackers9356 this time men ☕actually. The chess arbiter lady did a good job, it's the boxing referee who made decisions inexpediently

The boxing and chess matches were great. The outcome was the boxing ref's fault.

Apollo Creed vs Drago vibes

If you know Chess then you See that it was the exact other way around in Chess, Dina demolished Andrea there, after I think 5 or 6 Moves she had the clear advantage.

@@feelsbadman1677 i wouldnt say 5 or 6

@@eddierandom6074 I would

@@D0BR0VECE after 5 moves they were even, they were pretty even for most of the game albeit the psychological pressure

I can't believe these ameture are giving more fun quality content then their counterparts, it's like copying apple iphone and selling faster then any original iPhone. 🤣 good stuff Ludwig

@@words007 huh? what counter parts are you talking about? i am so lost right now lmao. You can't possibly be talking about real boxing...

Someone asked on Twitter what type of make up Andrea was using, and she replied. Some waterproof type.

@@danielfreer8487 either real boxing or real chessboxing 🤔

Um yes he did hes a pro dude.

he just wanted to feel andreaas boba when separating..i would too.. HOW DO I SIGN UP TO BE A MOGUL BOXING CHESS REF😭

@@tolucamexico1412please realize the error of your ways and talk to some real life people instead of the figures in the corner of your room

This is the most controversial boxing match ever.

@@insertname5371 no he doesn't 😂

In every boxing federation they slow down if fight reaches the last round.

Also at 17:15 a round Starts with 120 seconds & at 18:44 the commentator says „15 seconds left“ & it ends immediately

@@alehlete830 Dina was the better chess player

@@JimmyHey thats not really saying much considering the gap in elo

@@jaaasssooonn It is saying enough

@Muhammedlee ayeee gottem

@@jaaasssooonn lmao, this is like saying Andrea being the better boxer isn't really saying much because she spends more time doing fitness. 😁

Did Ludwig post that update? -Yes, he did

Lol wut that’s so dumb, why are they giving out consolation prizes? Andrea obviously won.

Good because that was bs

Sheeeesh

Of course 🙄

I agree the third count shouldn’t need to be finished. However, if you watch the first SmashBoxing match, this same ref waits until his counts to 10 on the third count before calling the match… doesn’t make any sense to me.

This is being upvoted heavily but inaccurate. The traditional "3 knockdown rule" is pertaining to 3 knockdowns in a single round, with there commonly even being no limit to total number of knockdowns over the course of an entire match. It's easy to not know which way is up with regard to this event especially because there was a very casual approach to rule enforcement and the logistical procession of each match.

@@brookssvp It's not inaccurate at all because I stated clearly the aforementioned precedents happens in fights where the rule is in effect, implying that I understand it is not always in effect, but has been, those are the fights I'm referencing and on such occasions, it's as I said. gg though.

@@brookssvp at 1:42:06 on the Stream VOD displays the rules for the chess matches, and it explicitly says 3TKOs in one round or 4TKOs in the whole match.

Yes, the ref called wrong but watch 25:47 a few times. He started the count exactly as the bell rang. If he had called the fight instead of starting the count, he would have called it exactly after the round ended. The rules equivalent of the bell ringing right before her knee hits the mat.

I could not imagine getting wrestled for any amount of time then trying to play chess lol. Getting your brain back in that mode has to be hard

@@greuju wrestling’s a grappling style tho, I honestly think a striking style like Muay Thai would be a lot worse

@@brandonhughes4076 lol I'd rather do 3 minutes with a muay Thai person than 1 minute against a wrestler that can ground and pound. You can run around, wrestling cardio is different.

@@msmrreckoning nah, even the organisers agreed the match should actually have gone to Andrea, she bet the fuck out of Dina

Man we need go-BJJ (because both may take time:p)

Basically Dina won in Chess and Andrea won in Boxing . Fair enough

Ah makes sense lol, I didn't know they actually reviewed chess boxing. But I said this before I saw your comment: The official did his third count when the bell rang. That's a TKO.

Yeah, so sad that a great fight and event was ruined with terrible officials. Ref doesn't even know the rules

Andrea deserves it!

Wow so impressive a meaningless award with no value was awarded!

The ref messed up, but what you point out is just how boxing goes. 3 standing counts in a round is TKO, stepping in is perfectly legal.

I dont think it was supposed to be such a serious match but the ref did step in a lot.

@@zo7034 Why do they do the standing counts? Just go until one falls over and can't get up, seriously. I mean I understand this match is mostly just for show w/ amateur boxers, but seriously boxing is such a stupid sport. Is this why people watch UFC instead 🤔

dina farms more simps then andrea 😊😊

no offense though

Shitty ref is what happened

3 in one round or 3 in the entire match? It has to be 3 in one round or 4 over the entire match.

@@Bomples98 last round there was 2 mid round and 1 started 3 seconds before the bell rang. Andrea totally should’ve won

@@Bomples98 3 in the last round and 4 total in the whole fight. So either way, Botez should have won

@@heronb.520 a couple of those where getting them out of clinch.

How hardly anyone noticed this is beyond me. The ref starts counting on the 3rd KO. You don't count a third time, you end the fight. Pathetic ref indeed.

If she didn't stall in chess she would have been mated anyways. Sore loser.

No, the clock on the screen was malfunctioned. It was running slower than the actual time for whatever reason, the refs started counting after the clock ran out.

@@Mr7Cavalier7 Yes but the ref delays his count as Dina was leaning on the ropes. Pretty strange referring the whole match honestly

@@flmks yea but the clock wasnt right. It was running slower than the actual time. Round started at 3:52:11 on the vod and ended at 3:53:54 . So there you go, an extra 13 secs which should not have been there. Dina won

I have a running conspiracy that the ref let Dina win so he doesn't upset Putin.

@@titlepolice LOL

And at 25:32 wtf is he even stopping, no grappling no nothing

@@aureus79 he got bricked and had to stop it before it got worse.

@@titlepolice That doesn't fly. Dina has left Putin's Russia, lives in France, has switched federations after the Russian invasion this year and played the Olympiad for Israel. She is not drawing too much attention to it, but she has supported Ukrainian chess players.

@@nicbentulan No one is saying that Dina stalling is against the rules. They're only talking about the visible fact that he started a fourth count that should clearly then be victory for Andrea despite her poor position in the chess match because having that many counts in the boxing portion was clearly defined as a TKO.

@@nicbentulan bro are you not understanding? They're not talking about stalling. Boxing rules state that the 3rd stoppage in a round or 4th in a match is a TKO. Both occurred for Dina meaning Botez should have won.

@@nicbentulan they aren't suggesting Dina be penalized for stalling. No one thinks that. They are saying that in a completely separate unrelated event, Dina received four count downs from the ref which according to the rules equals a tko

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And he should've put that last thumb up SO MUCH EARLIER. Almost seemed rigged with how long he waited for each count. Loved the event but this was really unfair

@@carsongxd but he's right

@@carsongxd just say simp and call it a day but you're wrong, I don't subscribe to any streamer nor do I care for their careers but I will help bring awareness to this mistake in the fight

@@carsongxd I'm assuming you meant you are for Dina. That or you know less than nothing about boxing.

@@carsongxd Happy holidays

In all boxing counts have to be completed before the bell. They were vague when they explained the rule as the counts must be completed.

@@AJCLifestyle that makes no sense. Fight ends on the 3rd stoppage. Why would you need to wait 10 seconds after the 3rd stoppage for it to end??

@@cjironcjiron if the count didn't finish, how do you know if it even was a stoppage?

@@miloradowicz because the ref stopped to count?

@@miloradowicz ... because he stopped the fight and started counting...

😂 I immediately thought, “What in the name of Spike-TV is going on here?

It happened all in the last 5 seconds, Botez needs to stop throwing haymakers and focus more on breaking Dina's defense using her head. The inner gremlin took over too strong.

@@michaelnajera901 she still won though since the fourth and final count started

@@maxinator_4256 4th??? Breaking up two people that are grappling isn't a count.

@@maxinator_4256 The ref was preparing the count simultaneously obviously communicating with Dina about something. Dina got saved by the bell, or Dina milked the last 2 seconds with a non response and the bell rang.

@@BrandonWestfall The ref was literally counting. That is definitively a count

Andrea was robbed fr fr

@@772364327rhdhqwag The rules in the event as stated many times throughout the night was if there were 3 knockdowns/counts in a round or 4 knockdowns/counts across an entire fight it would be called. Andrea needed 3 in the last boxing round. In the last 20 seconds the ref stood in between them as if he was going to stop it for a 3rd time that round, interrupting the flow, and then again right at the end of the round he split them up and then began counting he held up his hand and counted 1, then the bell rang which means he was on his 3RD COUNT, ie the fight should've been stopped. Explain how I didn't understand the rules or how the officiating at the end there wasn't bad.

@@theAngusmaster101 The count does not qualify as tko if the bell ends before counting to 10. So yes, you don't understand the rules of boxing

@@Terkiaz This is clearly false. The counting needs to reach 10 before the bell ends is complete fiction that you and tons other made up. The fight should have already been called. What would even be the purpose of counting to 10, if you're supposed to be out already. So many people just making up rules in this comment section thinking they know more.

@@Terkiaz First of all, all major boxing entities say you cannot be saved by the bell, that it doesn't matter if the round ends, the count continues. Secondly, that doesn't even matter, the rule is 3 standing counts in a round and it's over. Not "3 standing counts to 5" or "3 standing counts to 8" As soon as the ref stops for a 3rd standing count it is over, whether he would have counted to 1 or a 100, it doesn't count, it's over the second he stops for a standing count.

but it's easier to beat somebody at chess than to knock somebody out

@@cumexolaf3276 how is that easier? bro, its take skill to beat somebody at chess and take skill to knock somebody out

@@qredit5375 Idk if ''skill'' is the accurate word when it comes to Botez's boxing ''skills''.

@@qredit5375 you only need to be slightly better than your opponent to win in either chess or boxing; on the other hand you need to outclass your opponent to win by KO in boxing, especially at light weight divisions

​@@cumexolaf3276will mike tyson say the same thing if he faces magnus

Was that ref an official ref or is he also a streamer.. HE HAD NO CLUE what he was doing and he was sloooooooooooWW!!!!!!!!

Irregardless, it was an incredible fight with Dina dominating on the board and Andrea dominating in the ring. It could have gone either way and NO ONE should receive any hate for the result. Absolute magnificent chess-boxing.

It's doesn't matter tbh if it's 1 second remaining or not that's considered TKO, 3 Stop last Round 4 stop the whole Match Andrea won both ways, The Referee ruined it for everyone like even tho I'm Dina supporter I hate this cuz Now Everyone know this win is undeserved i hope Dina doesn’t accept this win and Ask for a Rematch i want Dina to win fair and square not like this

@@DojiSan I'm pretty sure that all refs were official refs. Please no hate though, we don't know what it's like to be in his position and I for one am certainly not a certified ref lol. I'm sure they also wanted to lean toward safety for all matches.

@@scorch4650 the players shouldn't receive hate as they did nothing wrong but the ref definitely should receive hate after that performance

Just the fucking ref himself was frustrating.

Yep

Dina should've already won in the chess portion prior to that final boxing round and Andrea just cowered behind the clock to run the time down. Call a count for Andrea to move her piece instead of stalling time. Kharma.

@@JimmyHey well she kept playing, Dina was the one who missed the mate in one

@@JimmyHey Well that's chess boxing. You don't have to like it but it's a part of the game, and in my opinion it adds a really cool dynamic. Andrea was obviously not as skilled as Dina at chess so she decided that it was best for her to try and win in the boxing portion, which was the most logical decision.

No he didn't

that guy clearly did not know what he is doing

Well put

I have my first proper boxing match in 5 days. I'll probably be wishing I could play them at chess instead lol. Jk I'm gonna smash it. Wish me luck

​@@ophiolatreia93i want also want to know now ahaha

@@ophiolatreia93what happened?

@@carsongxd You’ve commented this a thousand times, just kinda sounds like you’re a Dina simp

she got destroyed in chess

@@dhopkinsytdidn’t matter. There were 3 standing eight counts

ok simp

@@dhopkinsyt lmao you think Andrea could have taken on a WGM? It's like asking Levy to take on Daniel Naroditsky. Everyone knows Andrea was planning to win this with boxing. Dina was stalling for time and refusing to engage / leaning against the ropes. The referee made some poor calls by intervening.

@@nicbentulan In the final boxing round, there was three standing eight counts. I’m assuming you don’t know the rules so I’ll explain them to you. If there are three standing eight counts in the same round, the match is over resulting in a TKO. Doesn’t matter that she didn’t play better during the chess portion when the match should have ended in that round.

@@carsongxd 🤓

I believe so, but she was toxic about it calling it hide and seek Despite the fact that she was the one hiding and wasting time on chess board. Dina even thanked her and others after winning I think they should change some rules, a noobie in chess can 100% waste 5 minutes on his/her clock against stronger apponent, and given than he/she can make apponent waste 1 minute, she/he can assure to get 3 rounds of boxing. But a noobie in boxing can't hold back a stronger boxer 3 rounds.

​@@carsongxd mad

@@P.sherman45 I mean you can. As long as you don't get knocked out. You can clinch for your life for 3 rounds as long as the ref doesn't start giving you threats about forfeiting the match for your poor behavior. It's especially easier in this situation where you know the other party doesn't have knockout power. For all the cardio Andrea had she was terrible at putting her hips or legs into her blows, it was all arms.

@@carsongxd So cringe

agreed

@@alehlete830 Dina was the better chess player

@@HeroofTime6996 Still lost tho lmao

what footwork are you talking about lol

@@michaelnajera901ah she just walked straight to dina With pure lateral jumps

Her punches literally had 0 power.

She has no footwork at all and at many times was hopping up and down

Seems to just be a bunch of people trying to praise them using buzz words they don’t understand Props to her for getting in the ring but her footwork was DOGWATER She would’ve got a ko if she just stopped jumping all the time That takes all the power out of your punches

Admit Dina was better at chess

You could say that, but it should never had gone to a final round of boxing. Deliberately running the clock down during the chess phase because you're about to lose is against the rules.

Sloppy ref job sloppy blow...🤤

@@djlovesyou8302 Yea, to be fair, I thought that was cheap too. But the box bit annoyed me more because they didn't even get to box the last round because ref kept awkwardly jumping in every 3 seconds.

yeah a lot of things are very amateur in the production, considering the amount of money involved

That threw me off fat. Like how tf is 120 lb girl supposed to fight that behemoth

3:21 Andrea is 20yo, 5'6" What are you saying?

@@adeel3797 r/whoosh

@@firedell1031 r/ihavereddit

Only if it becomes more fair though. I feel like the chess player has a clear advantage if they have a good boxing defense.

Idk, A Conner McGregor vs Magnus Carlson fight, My money is on Conner

It was awful man. I had to stop watching. So unfair, so many technical issues. Waste of time. Bring back the hoodies tho. Those are fuego.

I´m only interested if two hot chicks like these are involved.

@Tyler lol mcgregor vs magnus, now you are having stupid ideas, like causing brain damage to the GOAT

Its called being a sore loser. Dina played the game, literally and figuratively and won, remember this game is also about chess, and she undeniably finished her at part of the game, but Andrea couldnt finish on boxing.

@@missionpupa the constant interference of the ref made it more unfair, as the clock kept ticking "on andreas time" but she didnt get a chance to play/fight.

@@missionpupa How can Andrea finish her in boxing if every time her opponent gets a standing 8 count?

@@edntz You knock them the fuck out, thats how.

@@missionpupa A lot more difficult when it's a fight between women who only started learning boxing a few weeks ago, with head gear on. A one punch knock out is rare enough in female professional boxing, imagine actually seeing it in chess boxing... Any time Andrea made progress, the ref cut between them and gave an 8 count, while the time of the round would tick away.

so you know better than a professional?

@@superbellum apparently because they looked at it again and came to the same conclusion.

@@Krockett_ who looked at it again? ludwig? levy? yes they both are box professionals..

@@superbellum it was decided that andrea DID get the TKO

@@superbellum the team behind the event has decided that Andrea did in fact TKO Dina. Andrea was awarded the winning status and her belt alongside Dina win, which they will not take away from her for her performance and to avoid looking bad for future events. They fixed the mistake and did so in a manner thats respectable. Big Ups to the team.

100% and anyone saying different is delusional trolling

@@deathsaidhello Well if you listen carefully the one on the last count starts right after the bell sounds, so technically the third count never started.

@@noone-ld7pt ahh, one of those delusional trolls i just mentioned... good to see you! took you quite a while to show up tho... might want to work on that

It also took him 8 seconds of faffing around to decide to start the count. If he started it as soon as he stepped in, like he should have, there would be no doubt.

@@noone-ld7pt now that Mogul has updated the results, what is your opinion? (the results were updated to give Andrea a win for the TKO she shouldve gotten on Dina for the FOURTH count having started before the bell rung - both fighters have the winning belt from the match but its understood that Andrea was in fact robbed and confirmed by the team that is the case) make sure to read the post about it carefully :)

@@deathsaidhello chess boxing exist for around 50 years...but people didnt know about it because it was stupid. now in 2022 the humanity is finally stupid enough to embrace it.

R u serious

@@cezarmagicchess3665 change most to many and yes