4:01 Look at the firefighter, I thought he was going to do the same thing, but no I think he's pushing the pipe with his foot

Couple of things I want to add: 3. Operating HRJs from a TL is a tried and tested procedure used by UK Fire Services where a 2,500l/min monitor isn't required. They're initially quicker to set up as the HRJ can be run from the pump(s) supplying other branches and therefore they don't require the time needed to set up a dedicated Water Tower pump and hydrant. 4. The TL shown in this video is one of the old 07-plate Mercedes Magirus which are 15 years old. Front line TLs have all now been replaced by new Scania Magirus M32L-AS TLs which have a number of improvements including a much faster set up time. Happy days!

@@thepymes Umm...you forgot to point out a lady EATS IT at 3:47.

HRJ? High Rise Jet?

​@@jamesfraser4173 HRJ = Hose Reel Jet. LFB pumps are fitted with 2x high pressure HRJs (one wither side) which are quicker to deploy and easier to handle in confined spaces.

A good rule to remember when walking around a fire scene: Keep looking down and around in all directions so you don’t trip over hose or walk into something.

🤣🤣🤣

I suspect she was distraught and that was her home on fire. She reappears later in the video at a safer distance.

@@zyglo9826 was once asked why i walked over hoses so oddly but when you slip once you learn to tread lightly 😳

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My brother in law is American and an ex firfighter and he made the comparison between American firefighters and British firefighters and said in terms of camaraderie American firefighters win hands down but when it comes to on the job work then Brits win with far superior training and equipment.

@@AdamKyleAnderson That's an interesting comment. My understanding is there are over 1.2 million firefighters in the USA serving in 27,228 different Fire Departments. With 31% of those firefighters being paid, and 69% being volunteer. These Fire Departments range in size from the 11,000 uniformed members of the FDNY protecting a city of 8.8 million... to a small-town rural volunteer Fire Department comprised of maybe a dozen members. No doubt that the fire apparatus, tools, equipment, training, tactics and practical experience with structural firefighting must vary greatly. Next time that you speak with your brother in law, please ask him which ones he was referring to. And would you be good enough to let us know?

I'm the state there'd be 60 fire apparatuses there and probably 30 firefighters would die doing it

It was the silver joining she tripped over

The world is full of stupid people and she just proved it...

Or she's watched too many of those Insurance Claim ads on daytime telly...

@@stevegray5263 that's abit harsh.. I'm sure you've tripped up the stairs and probably tripped over your own feet at some point!

@@davewhite768Hahaa! I think you're being sarcastic so I'll just refer to your original post :)

Or don’t….

We have the same thing with American fire departments.

it’s surprising but makes sense: nobody inside and thick walls makes it easier to go slow and setup before an interior attack, it’s like fighting a fire in a “posted” building

@@bostonrailfan2427 Why on earth would you think they were slow??? They had crews committed to interior firefighting as soon as they arrived. Pouring water on fire from outside in circumstances such as this woukd be poor firefighting but perhaps your dept is so used to that it may be normal to you.

@@johnnz4375 Oh this comment is just priceless ;)

i know what you mean i find it very frustrating to watch ehn all they do in a 30minute video is spend 29 of those minutes throwing the camera around film whats happening behind them or filming the sky/ground instead of staying in one spot and filming the actual building thats involved

It's like LAFD, they have a lot of ladder trucks that are not pre plumbed.

Look at the very start of when the ladder truck comes onto the scene. the way the bucket is positioned in the retracted position, it would be almost impossible to connect the master stream. It is piped to the bucket, it just needs the final connection to be made.

@@benv5812 The New T/Ls have the Cage Monitor already in place

The most fascinating spectacle: watching the fire, how the river flows and how someone works.

london could not handle a city like los angeles chicago or new york.

london is behind the usa in that firefighting area.

@@georgecoons6872 the London fire brigade have been fighting fires years before The US even existed. UK firefighters focus on fighting fires from the inside. Spraying the building from the ladder is not the priority. Every country has different procedures for their fire fighters because of different things like building materials, building regulations, health and safety regulations etc

George Coons what about BA safety

Hi the reason that London has few turntable Ladders 🪜 is down to this Lousy rotten government who what to make a quick buck money 💰 each 🔥 firebrigade has to make savings the government gives each 🔥 firebrigade Less money 💰 each yearso.they have to make up the rest which meansire appLence being taken off if LFB decides to save £1millon pounds 💷 by themselves. This Rotten government will take it every day. No problem no thanks next year more cuts again Less money and they will tell them u have done it once u can do it again next they will want £2millon.pounds it does not stop i hope that has answered your question.

THE FIRE Went Out before the firefighters were reade, what a disaster

Poop government, poop budgets but what could another turntable do that one appliance do - it seemed all in hand when the other two rocked up so.......??? Had to use "poop" as youtube doesn't like shit3

@@bananaman100 all started by Blair’s cuts when he was in government now carried on by Khan

The UK is trying produce more ladder trucks as possible. Too much highrise fires in the UK instead of normal house fires.

He'd got headphones on so wasn't on planet Earth!

What was she thinking?? LOL

No doubt total face plant 😝

LOL that was random as haha

3:45

Face plant lel

The Turntable Ladder does have its own hose system and facility to deliver firefighting media. Just after it arrives you can see firefighters preparing it, but it requires its own dedicated pump and water supply which the 3rd pump prepares. The first 2 pumps have prioritised their pumping for internal attack and covering jets.

@@duncannew4349 I should have watched the rest of the video…

@@Docdug it’s quite hard to see tbf.

@@duncannew4349 They also only wanted the ladder to stop fire spread on the surface asphalt on the roof, not to drown the crews working inside. Pulling the hosereel up was quick and did the intended job.

In the video they used a hose reel from one of the pump or pump ladder appliances as it looked like they just needed enough water to stop fire spread on the roof and it was quicker . Turntable Ladder and Aerial Ladder Platforms need their own dedicated supply of ( I think ) two 70 ml hose lines . This was good work for a quick attack . The only criticism of either the OIC or Police is a Corden keeping the public back to the side of the road where the cameraman was would have been better . People were wondering around oblivious as firefighters were trying to get stuff done and could potentially have tripped over hoses . People dont need much of an excuse to sue .

What would be beneficial about that?

@@azul8811 More parking spots!

No matter what you do you still won’t have enough parking spots in NYC. Lol

look up “Lowrey Hydrants” they fell out of favor because of the time it takes to set them up and space needed to carry them on trucks…

@@bostonrailfan2427 , I don’t know the specific type of hydrant you refer to, but underground hydrants can be set up 4 times faster than the American hydrants with all their “ accessories “ the only advantage of American hydrants is the volume of water they can give.

That’s a rather clever name for a coffee shop.

London Fire Brigade Policy First and foremost: We Do NOT Cancel! Once we're rolling, we're arriving!!! Over-deploy and not need it = Good! Under-deploy and need more = BAD!!!! The copper was a British Transport Police officer, more used to dealing with trains, He was on the radio a lot, probably asking "Have the Met even deployed yet????", as local officers are better with cordons/traffic control/crowd control......

Even underground it’s still called a hydrant. 😉

costs a lot more than a usual cabover from E-One, Pierce, Seagrave, etc. and it’s smaller so can’t carry the amount of water and equipment that most engines need

@@bostonrailfan2427 thanks for the info...Boston guy here too

@@bostonrailfan2427 can't talk for the pumpers in the UK as their layout differs again from ours, but Engines here are often based on Mercedes trucks as well; The crew cab offers space for up to 9 and the Engine doesn't have only tank, pump and hoses but also carry e.g. ground ladders, complete set of extrication equipment and a ton of other tools and equipment, some even carry a 2nd portable pump besides the built-in pump. There's so much equipment on board that you don't see Heavy Rescue Trucks being dispatched to fire calls like it's common in many places in the US "and it’s smaller" all depends on the truck chassis configuration. Can get it as standard 2 axle truck, or with 3, or 4 axles. The only thing I agree on is that we carry less water, simply as we operate at lower gpm but thatfor higher PSI rates.

@@bostonrailfan2427 the TL carries what it needs. It doesn’t have a pump or water tank. This save weigh and keeps it small enough to manoeuvre. I genuinely don’t think people from other countries realise just how narrow our roads are. The trucks we have in a lot of cases have been too big. So a TL will have a dedicated pump to feed it water

There wasn't sufficient hydrant supply to supply both the firefighting in the building and the ladder so they just grabbed the hose reel from the pump supplying the BA teams inside. Added to which the ladders need another vehicle to pump for them, they don't have pumps on the vehicle which is why later on that engine reversed up to it but by then it looked like the BA teams inside the building had got on top of things.

The equipment is too complicated to set up, wasting valuable time. I watch fire videos on KZfaq. Many times, the fire goes from just smoke to open flames while the firemen are fiddling with their equipment. New York has several types of trucks, one of which carries its own tank of water. It arrives on the scene ready to go. A small fire like this one would benefit from such equipment. Also, the police on the scene are too tolerant of spectators, especially those cyclists meandering through the site. BTW: it's the fire department in the US and the Fire brigade in London.

@@michaeljarosz4062 The fire engines in the UK all have water tanks so can get start to work. I don't know about London but the Brigade I work has 1800 litre tanks on all front line fire engines which is good for a bit over 5 mins with hose reels before you need to have set into a hydrant. It's just the aerial ladders/platforms that tend not to have their own pumps and need normal fire engines to supply their water

@@benpaynter few US ladders have tanks so that’s a null point, the usual US tank carries 500 gallons(1893 liters) minimum the vast majority carry 750 gallons(2840 liters)to 1500 gallons(5683 liters).

the way it’s venting from the rear shots it looks like a typical basement fire with extension so focus is down below

Thank goodness, poor cats x

She couldn't go outside? And there was a fire? Cone on matey comon sense.

I'm from Montreal. Yes so differents ways to approach a structure fire. Not many firefighters for this kind of building, no one on the rough, no ventilation, I do not see action inside the appartment of the last floor and more. Here for this kind of call you will have 75 firefighters on the site by 15/20 minutes. But what I find very bizarre is no man power on the roof. I do not get it! Maby someone from overthere can explane to us why?

@@gillesrenaud6926 I hear you. Many European countries apparently take quite a different approach than North America generally does. Among the larger municipal Fire Departments in the US and Canada I'd imagine that the very first order of business would be to get a hose lines stretched up to the roof and to that top floor! AND, have at least one aerial placed to the roof, and another aerial to the top floor. No criticism whatsoever is intended, it's just that I believe that to be a prudent course of action based on the conditions found upon arrival. I'll also mention that it is difficult tell from the video where the guys are operating, so I am not critiquing them. Also, just because the LFB run aerial ladder and tower ladder type apparatus, doesn't mean that they operate as "Truck Companies." They don't. There is not a crew with a boss aboard. The Aerial devices ride with only 2 firefighters on the rig, and they are not necessarily tasked with performing any "Truck Work" as we might be familiar with. And if the information on Wikipedia is current, there are only 11 aerial devices fielded by the LFB. Seven Aerial Ladder Platforms and four Turntable Ladders to cover a city of 8.6 million. As a matter of fact, I believe that the LFB typically dispatch only 2 Engines for a phone alarm reporting a building fire. No ladder trucks, no chief, just two Engines. (Or at least they did up until mid 2017). Again, it's no criticism of the Firefighters. I just think that those guys are under staffed and under equipped. And I'd imagine that impacts one's strategy and tactics.

@@gillesrenaud6926 my Australian Fire Fighter friends consider venting and standing on the roof very hazardous. Here they have reeled hoses that can be put to use very quickly, while others hook up to a hydrant. Most house fires here in Queensland are much fiercer due to entirely wooden and brick veneer house. Without seeing what is going on inside the terrace house, externally this looks very tame.

The house is a townhouse and venting isn’t done

yeh Americans rock up with 4 massive tower ladders and 2 engines with Q sirens being blared heard 20 miles away and abusing their horn when nobody is there. When they get on scene to a fire they just stand their with their BBQ setup and their double cheeseburger cooking in the fire. At least the British actually does something about the fire. Not just that but a car crash for example...they send tower ladders to a 2 car crash- such a waste of resources!

You don't need to be an expert, you'd think this was an episode from Trumpton.

@@davidcurry4433 not an expert but a bit of knowledge of firefighting, knowing your head from your ass and an iq not starting with a decimal point are all good indicators of when people can make valid comments on a profession they’ve never done.

@@swt2296 Good to see someone trying to defend PPP...

@@davidcurry4433 tell me what exactly was piss poor?

@@swt2296 Try watching the video, all the evidence you need is on the video..

Don't agree, especially we can't see it in closeup. At approx 3 something you see them using O-Hoses, so they prob used water from the pumpers tank; which in normal in Europe. Beside from that, to fight fires like this, you need a ladder or boom, which arrived only later. A former Fireman Friend once said to me: Running firemen can only be seen in 2 situations: - In movies - In the US

Are you, or have you ever, been on the job? When I did it, training was exceptional. The fire service is probably one of the few occupations that covers so many kinds of mixed knowledge into operations. What may appear as unorganized is actually quite organized depending on the situation. I used to shake my head at a fire scene when I would overhear a bystander make a comment; criticizing about something they know little about.

I’m so pleased that you have no intention of lying.

This is really awful.

@@paxundpeace9970 u still watched it 😃

oh really didnt know i gues that isnt obv is it? hmm

HSE. First fuck the rest

I am retired myself

@Thomas Nichol BA teams where actually seen going.

there were people fighting the fire in the inside, also saving peoples pets. this video was like late into the fire. they exhausted all the water in the tanks, using the big hoses.

There were BA teams inside working, everyone on the outside was setting up contingencies incase the initial internal attack failed, all these know it all yanks in the comments without a clue.

All of the vehicles except the aerial have ready use water supplies on-board.

BA team has already taken hoses inside

I don't give a shite! That was fucking hilarious! 😂😂😂😂

The colour of the smoke indicated to me that water was being put into the fire from underneath. Blasting water from above would bring slates down on the freighters below. Been there ,got the "T" shirt.

@@patgeorge1 yes,but the issue in the first place was; that they seem to use a lot of time to attach additional equipment to the latter ,and then end up not to be able to use it anyway (wrong hose size?) so if the fire was getting out of hand they wouldnt have been able to help

Yeah, you seem to know a lot from a single smartphone’s footage.

You are clueless.

To me, you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, you nonce.

so wie´s aussieht, bräuchten die zum Teil dringend eine

inwiefern denn?

No they don’t

Apart from the faffing about with getting a hose attached to the monitor on the turntable ladder, then coming straight back down again to change hoses.

@@mrquill3687 Looked like he was just doing a risk assessment to me.

Oiled machine? watching that ladder? LOL!

Ladder wasn’t really required

3:45

They had BA crews committed to the inside. We fight fires in occupied buildings from the inside. Also we have far more control over our BA men, know where they are and what they are tasked to do, maintain exit routes and know their turn around times. No ladders were needed in this case. If there were they would have pitched them.

If they don’t need ladders they don’t need ladders

Already had a team inside

Summets like that

No, it has to have hardware connected to it. Not a very efficient design. totalsafeuk.com/london-fire-hydrants/

No, you just unscrew it and put the lid back on.

@@pnwlove6159 it can’t get much more efficient. Literally requires a standpipe key and bar to operate……

No branches are carried on the pump ladders

16:30 they start putting up cordon

Why waste crews to just stand around, even that young officer was at a loose end - pubic behaving themselves (for a change) and no need for any more resources......that we could see, maybe there were more on other streets!?!?

@@bananaman100 likely one farther down the road, it’s a decent sized road

Probably because they were closer to the scene. In London, all police officers listen into the same shout line

Maybe you’re referring to that viral video where the fire truck rams the police cars? At that incident the police were first on scene, and, despite not having training or protective equipment, ran into the burning building and saved many lives, receiving injuries and burns in the process. But hurr durr they were DoUbLe pArKeD

@@johnb8956 No I'm referring to ones that block an intersection with the car, leave the car and go stand around the trucks with their thumbs up their butts being a Lookie Lou. I've heard command instruct an engine to come and set up at xyz only for the engine to answer find the cop that belongs to this car blocking the way so we can get in. I've seen it both on YT and here where I live.

Because that hose can deliver between 230-415 litres per min, is incredibly maneuverable and is deployed with water flowing in seconds. What you don't see is that layflat 45mm and 70mm hose deployed after.

because in Europe we don't just drown the scene, but we usually operate at lower gpm but thatfor higher PSI rates

@@EnjoyFirefighting Think OP’s European

Why are you saying that

@@oscarosullivan4513 The longstanding reputation of the UK fire service to its citizens from the Blitz through present day.

shame they didn't have a pumper to feed it with water.

What time was that message put out

having a ladder without water isn’t much use - at the end of the video the main feed into the base still wasn’t on

@@eliotmansfield As I understand it an interior attack is preferred, hence all the hoses going in through the front door. If you’re squirting a heap of water from the sky on to the firefighters inside putting out the fire you end up in all sorts of mess. You’ve also got a finite amount of pressure and feeds so you use them where they’re needed most, which is inside. However, IANAFF etc

@@milkypirateuk I would imagine that buildings such as these roof access can be gained from the top floor. (via a roof bulkhead or a a scuttle.) Is that accurate? I ask because I'd assume that one hose line would be operated at the roof level, and one positioned on the top floor. I didn't see evidence of a hose line operating line on the roof. Any thoughts about that?

with water supply shortage they took the hose from an Engine ... a bit odd but why not ...

I’d say it was lack of a dedicated pump. They were set into hydrants just needed the pump to utilise it

They didn’t really need it

Same in The Netherlands.

Quite clearly

We ain't that great in Islington

Every country is different

The output from the hydrants is fine, but the water can only flow as fast as the pump that is pumping it. That is why hydrants are so prevelant in London, and so well hidden. You know there is a fire locally when your kitchen/bathroom water supply suddenly dwindles to nothing.......... The issue is that the ALP needs its own, dedicated Dual Pump Appliance to get the pressures up high enough. The first two pumps on scene were busy supplying their crews, who were already attacking from the inside. When the third DP arrived from A24 Soho, it was immediately tasked to be the dedicated PL for the ALP, which is when the yellow high-capacity lines were pulled out and connected.

They don’t current system works fine

We dont? Why would you blindly suggest that? What makes you think our Hydrants are inadequate?

The water system in London is very old, it is being upgraded gradually but takes time hence the pressure was not enough to supply the aerial appliance.

it has but was faulty or smth

therefose used thin one

Nah it just didn’t have the dedicated pump until it well arrived on scene.

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