That is what i’m wondering actually. 500 musket and several cannons. Pretty sure portuguese ammo are not compatible with english arms. Where do they get more?

@@brian9829 musketballs were lead, and each musket in this era usually came with its own bullet cast. Pick up bullets, melt them and pour the molten lead into your own cast, and thus you have bullets. Cannonballs were often wrought iron, and often the same caliber, or close enough (ie one 12pdr gun's ball could be used in another 12pdr gun) and were often picked up after a battle, as they were expensive.

@@GefreitervonAdler The Japanese could cast iron in that era too. Their command of metallurgy might not have been good enough to cast and bore cannon barrels, but they could definitely cast shot.

@@carlchong7592 Very few could actually cast ron in this era - it was smelted and wrought, welded together in the forge. Japan has low quality iron ore and not very much of it - which is why they invented folding techniques when forging swords, to increase the strength of the iron and used a lot of wood in their armour. They would absolutely go find and retrieve cannonballs.

@@GefreitervonAdler Japan was casting iron hundreds of years prior to this era of naval activity. You don't need very high quality iron to make a cannonball. I agree that it'd be expensive to make cannon shot, but war is expensive.

The Duke of Marlborough says different, so does Wellington.

Sea colonial Empires like UK and US which are protected by sea. On the other hand, classic land empires like Russia and China, which need to destabilise neighbours because land invasions coming from neighbours to them are very costly and deadly for population and economy. This two schemes define different mindset that's why West and East won't understand each other. Though China through enormous trade obtained a few features of sea empire, it's core will never change

- Naval artillery, such as Cannons on ships was a Portuguese thing. Not British. - Britain only existed as of 1707

@@antideus9389 Britain existed since the Celtic times. "Britto" Old English "Brettisc". Anjin actually says "English". The United Kingdom existed as of 1707 through the Act of Union. FFS why do Canadians know more British history than our former imperial overlords?

@@JB-yb4wnThat would be Britannia. British nationality did not exist.

Big boom > neuron activation

Boys-with-toys transcends language, culture, and border.

If you don't get excited by big toys and big booms, there was never a boy in you.

😅​@@cass7448

yabu and blackthorne have some bro moments too. this show rules

Maybe not intentional, but considering he’s their ward, it makes sense

It looks intentional, a submissive/non conflict stance.

@@trent617tw Ah, I mean is his arms are actually rested normally. However, when you close up, it looks as if he’s tied up. It may be the clothes.

@datemasamune2904 Yeah, I get you. It is kind of weird. I am not sure myself, was maybe presenting another option.

It's a common affectation in the military, especially when in close confines like a ship. Even if wasn't in the English Navy, many of the officers on ships likely had been and this behavior was emulated by others, especially by someone in a more senior position like ship's pilot.

He's my favorite character in this show. Most entertaining.

I agree

Hoaaaaaa!!

This change due to nonsense of japanese need any land musket training. By the time Blackthorne landing Japan had more musket than all europeans combined and even used fire by rank in Battle of Nagashino in 1575. They already mastered musket tactics. Cannons otherhands still underdevelop. So Blackthorne teach artillery makes more sense. As he was a professional naval officer and veteran of Fransis Drake navy.

There's a strong possibility that the historical "Anjin-San", Adams, was involved with Ieysu's artillery at Sekigahara. So the revision makes a lot of sense. @@SANESX

@@SANESX I listened to the podcast on the episode and they mentioned that the Japanese had matchlock guns for 50 years by this point, but they only had access to Portugese cannons which they said were not as large or accurate as English canons at this time. I'm not sure if that's accurate but that's what they said

I wonder if Clavell (the author) just didn't know and / or had access to the information. Just because he studied that time period and history, when he wrote his book(s) it was well before the Age of The Internet, and does not mean that he had as good of an understanding as we may have today. I know that my knowledge of WW2 exploded because of internet access, and ironically, my view of it was massively different from people's who came into studying it later because of "board game strategy" that no longer is present (even though computerization should make it more available)! 😂

There were plenty of source materials, even in English, about the use of muskets in the period by the 70's when the book was written. I think he intentionally exagerated the sword culture of Japan of the period- which was a thing, but years later after the civil wars- and the fixation on man-to-man combat which had NOT been a thing in Japan for over a century in warfare- just to make more of a contrast with the Europeans. And some of it may have been just laziness- he described Buntaro's armour as being lacquered bamboo which is just plain silly and could have been set straight by 5 minutes with any decent museum curator. @@tyree9055

It drives me nuts. Mariko is the translator...so translate! They made her into a petulant samurai killing warrior woman who doesn't know her place. The informality is enjoyable when it is necessary and rare but otherwise seems to pander to viewers that want to see high ranking people as inept and the lower inexperienced, unqualified giving their "common sense" opinions. Reminds me of the state of the West right now.

@@brianpeck4035she does translate accurately in many parts. She’s only not doing so accurately because this is a very serious moment. If he offended the general in any way it could lead to complications in the battle. She’s just trying to walk a fine line between different cultures.

@@brianpeck4035 i see that you lack experience dealing with real people with huge ego. You’re lucky you’re living in a peaceful era. If you insult a daimyou/samurai leaders, your head will fly no matter how skilled you are 😂😂😂

​@@vijaz5559 No matter how skilled? Well, how is the daimyo/samurai will win his battle, once his temper tantrum has subsided and he realised he offed the one guy who could bring him victory? When hi-jacking a plane with only you and the pilot onboard, the pilot can do and say pretty much anything he likes because if you kill him, you will not outlive him by more than the time it will take to the plane to crash.

"Yes I can tell him about that. That is the point of teaching history."

@1:34 what is the name of the tool Anjin used as a range finder?

@@VMClassic I believe that tool is for roughly aiming the cannon. Rangefinders as such weren't invented until 1768, and this takes places in the 1600s.

i recall a Brit naval captain right around the 1812 war had drilled and perfected his crew's gunnery to the degree that they were considered sniper class, level accurate when aiming and firing their guns. Don't remember the ship's name.

@@VMClassic an astrolabe- for crudely fixing ones latitudinal position at sea. Gunners used varients of it to work out target range and elevation by trigonometry

More like the French or Prussian

@@Pioneer_DE Nah, on this time the Spanish were the terror. Those two would come later.

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd Fair enough, I thought the series was taking place in the 18/19th century

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd Spanish was the terror but the French do have better infantry still in this time. I remember that they defeated the Spaniards at the end of the 16th century which is close to this timeline and others more before that which France almost always win their battles with Spain.

​@@drejade7119nah , spain whipped the floor with anyone and everyone they faced , even rocroi " death of the tercios" was won for the fremch due to cavalry , and the spanish infantry was so good they had to negotiate them to leave the battlefield , thry couldnt brrak thrm with canons , pike , or nothing at all. Tercios were something else.

The Brits really got lucky. By 1618, they were a technological backwater, compared to central Europe. Then continental Europe ripped itself apart in the 30y war, with basically all big powers weakening each other, some areas losing 30%+ of their population to war and plagues, while the Brits stayed out of it. They caught up on technology and went on to conquer the world ...

@@positroll7870It wasn't all luck. In 1588 the British smashed the Spanish Armada, crippling it. That gave Britain room to expand. Britain suffered plague in 1603 and 30,000 people died, there were smaller outbreaks in 1606 and 1608. There were also consecutive competent rulers who put a lot of importance on economic growth and innovation.

@@jayd8091 I'm not saying it was ALL luck. But Spain itself was a technological backwater, despite its riches. The HRE (incl both Netherlands and Bohemia), northern Italy and France where the clear front runners. Water powered forges (esp snow packs in the Alps) allowed for near industrial scale mass production of iron and steel for most of the year. And sorry, 30k dead simply don't compare to the millions perishing in the HRE and eastern FRA, especially.

​@@positroll7870The English navy made a technological breakthrough, which left the rest of Europe behind.. Copper bottom ships, which enabled faster sea travel and Empire building!

@@positroll7870 "while the Brits stayed out of it." Shows what you know. English forces very much took part in the early stages of the 30 Years' War. Note English, NOT British. It wasn't a large involvement, but it was there. You also forget the British Isles' own devastating conflict of the period: the English Civil War. That does not rival the 30 Years' War's worst in terms of population loss but it was massively devastating and destructive. Hundreds of thousands dead. Dozens of battles and sieges.

That is 15 years later. This series would end at Sekigahara.

@@revbladez5773 In the novel, Sekigahara is barely a paragraph.

Yeah. The novel basically ends right before the battle. There is some cliff notes about what happened in the after math and the rest of Blackthornes life and that's it.@@revbladez5773

Sekigahara is considered one of the bloodiest battles in Japanese history so if they show that, it will be gorey, no doubt about that. Some 20,000 heads were taken on that day.

In the 1980 version, sekigahara is only told by blackthorne voice as a narator. No battle scene.

Great actor. In my mind, though, I imagined Yabu the book to be heavier / more stout.

Is that what Blackthorn was getting at?

​@@zettkusanagi6322Being a naval officer or high rank officals require a bunch of math and prediction with a mix of dumb luck

Technically, ain't naval gunnery pretty much the same as a sniper targeting a moving target at almost max range? There's the elevation to it, but in general the maths checks out almost similar don't they?

​@@PrograError the difference is that the ship itself you are standing on is also pitching and rolling, so the cannons arent always pointing at the same place. Also, this movement also transfers momentum to the cannonballs, complicating things further. Finding artillery firing solutions from a ship is a very hard problem all in all.

lmao

Not so tiny that island. In 1588 campaign combined English Dutch force had more ships than Spanish armada :)

​@@wojtek1582please forgive OP, we purposely taught him wrong because we thought it would be funny

No, storms were how the Spanish Armada was defeated

@@Jakub7009 and a lot of Piracy from the new world, in fact the English used a lot of Corsair's that just were Pirates with English seal of approval.

@@wojtek1582 That's like saying the marina's of the French Riviera can take on the US Navy because they have more watercraft. The Spanish ships far outclassed and outmassed their opposition.

Can-nani?

The Dutch had excellent foundries.

Right, but the English and Dutch were strong allies at this time, with very similar naval traditions and foundries. He would know what to do with them, even if he hadn't been pilot on a Dutch ship.

Absolutely. Trinity House was THE training establishment for navigators and they trained in all aspects of seamanship. @@AtheAetheling

@@AtheAetheling Such a shame the English made enemies out of us later and started 4 wars..

IIRC Czar Peter the Great studied casting in Holland to improve the quality of Russian artillery.

It really shows how much influence a translator has on a conversation

It's really interesting to watch that aspect of the show. Mariko basically fluffs up everything John says to make it more respectful. Like when he claims that cannons are superior she just says he wants to demonstrate naval combat.@@Bajicoy

​@@TNTspaz historically inaccurate. Women from patriarchal society like Japan (a Catholic in addition) wouldn't dare to speak to men in such tone. People today whining about over presentation of Black people in movies, yet forget many other aspects like women and men behaved completely different back then

The actual hell are you talking about. I didn't make any claim you are trying to refute.@@mrobocop1666

It's based on a book and Mariko is the single most important ally for blackthorne because he has no knowledge of the culture, also he is a barbarian so these rules do not apply. ​@@mrobocop1666

Yes, Dutch cannons that were developed by the British.

@Dennis-nc3vw: Because we are seeing upper class people wearing the Prada of that time...

1600s is the start of the 17th century not 15th, set during the Elizabethan era.

You have got your century's backwards bud.

@@HeaveStarveyy Thank you. I fixed it.

@@madmanjoe1002 I had one out of three wrong. I fixed it. Thank you for bring it to my attention.

Rifling was known since the early 16th century. It's just that it was extremely expensive and time-consuming, hence why the only things that were rifled were aristocratic hunting rifles.

Great sailors the dutch. Really gave England a good fight.

Guns were cast in England

The _tercio_ was already obsolete in 1600, although it took most of Europe another 30 years to realize it. Maurice of Orange had started experimenting with superior linear formations in echelon around 1590, and that was the type of formation Gustavus Adolphus used to end the dominance of the _tercios_ in the Thirty Years' War.

@@brucetucker4847 the Film ist set 1600. Echalon has really replaced Tercio in the 30 years war that started 1620+. Given basically no cannons and heavy use of cavalery in Japan that time Tercio we're perfect, of course the last Versions with many Musketers and fewer Pikes. I also doubt any english officer around 1600 was familiar with Echalons however im sure everyone known well about Tercio

@@chrissobiech2677 The introduction of the Flintlock and the socket bayonet is what truly spelled the death of traditional musket and pike formations.

The English had to surrender and bring troops back from Asia as it needed more back at base to fend off the Nazi's who at that point of time were right on England's doorstep since France surrendered.

Supposedly when General Percival informed the Governor of Singapore that the Japanese were landing in Malaya, he replied "Well I suppose you'll shove the little men off". Needless to say, the 'little men' proceeded to shove the Imperial troops all the way down the Malayan peninsula.

Perhaps their cannons are better 😅

How'd that work out in the end for Japan? Or specifically for the fanatical militarists who ruled it.

The cannon in Singapore were facing the wrong way, towards the sea. No-one expected the Japanese to attach from the Northern landward side.

Knights of Saint John Mentioned

AoE3 MENTIONED +!+++!!%%!%!!!%

And then Mariko insists on removing kebob.

​@@DrCruel 😂

That's history. If hadn't been this, it would have been something else to bring about their demise.

@@sapporo1832 Even when this is the true, it's still disgusting about how Christianity political problems causing this disaster.

It's not just the quality of the cannons. The English by this point also had a long tradition of naval warfare and gunnery, which Japan was sorely lacking in this period (as demonstrated during the invasion of Korea in the 1590's).

I wonder if Oda Nobunaga succeeded unifying Japan instead of Tokugawa, Oda would continue trading with outside world instead of the whole nation being a Shut In.

Yes, by far.

Have you not seen what cannons are capable of? Lol

Not necessarily. And probably not. England and the Netherlands traded a lot, and many of the best cannons were English at this time. Not too far fetched to say that the Dutch ship had English cannons.

Well in fact they have written their own version of the Clavell book.

"why are the writers writing their own story? Maybe they should write their own story instead" Uhh... What?

Because by this point, in actual history, the Portuguese had already introduced muskets and musket tactics to the Japanese. It didn't make sense so they changed it to something that made more sense.

Yeah probably

Or the korean turtle ship.

But the point of this scene is trying to make is that the main character is teaching the japs naval cannon *"tactics"* on land not teaching them how to use cannons The show acknowledged that the japs know how to use firearms and cannons, the Portuguese exists in this show Do we even watched the same scene? The line is literally there Watch the show please and understand it carefully instead acting like a professional historian to make you look smart and superior and classic british hating

This show was inspired by a real life english man who also trained the japs how to use western weapons

Yes, the book is fiction, its based on history

...that's why it's fiction.

The ship, it's crew and cannons were Dutch. Blackthorne was the only Englishman on board. Also it is a fiction, not a documentary, which would be held to higher standarts.

It's not presented as new? In this scene alone it is mentioned more than once that they know and used cannons, the accuracy of improved English cannons is the new thing

That's true, but at the same time, they're not claiming cannon were new to them: Yabushige has seen them and used them. The DIFFERENCE is that English and Dutch ships used mostly 'Culverins' - guns with a lighter weight of shot but a longer, more accurate range than their Spanish and Portuguese counterparts.

@@locarno24 "...I assure you, their arrogance is unbelievable.." .... Until the Late 17th century the portuguese Guns especially weapons manufactured in Asia had the advantage has I said ( war in Vietnam- Artillery of the Nguyễn lords). The real difference started in the18th century - English and Dutch Navy updating their ships , avoiding boarding by portuguese ships . Artillery showed the lead of Britan in the 18th century. Please see the outcome off the siege of Macau in 1622_Portuguese guns versus Dutch Guns. Better for sieges and breaking sieges_ or the Siege of Osaka _But of course.. even portuguese admited that the best gunners that they faced in Asia and in Europe..were the English and the Dutch.

No. Pretty much the opposite.

This also happened to Arabians read a book despite Americans lying in films pathetically to promote themselves, the cliche white guy teaching other nations actually existed and he is British and he was great at it also

It's really funny reading this when the other comment is saying it's left wing girlboss bs. The duality of man, I suppose

@@TheScathed The duality of man? Whose side are you on, son? Don't you love your country? Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

Well these aren't English cannons, they're Dutch.

Sounds like you don't really care about good shows, you're just looking for details you can get offended over so you can feel good about yourself.

@@agentsus9681 The point still stands whether they're English or Dutch

That’s literally the point, the Portuguese know how to shoot and POINT A BIG GUN ON DRY LAND, but because they do it’s not so obvious that the JAPANESE KNOW, PORTUGUESE DIDN’T SOLD THE JAPANESE THE ACTUAL NAVAL AND CANNON EQUIPMENT FOR THE SAKE OF THE LIFE, THE TEST HAPPEN LITERALLY 50 YEARS AGO AND THE CANNON OF 50 YEARS AGO WERE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE, so yes this is absolutely new for them

@@davidguglielmo1177I'm not here to discuss the loud voices in your head. In 1600 Portugal literally had THE BEST artillery in the world and it had been that way for nearly a century, all fruit of Portugal attracting the know-how from the rest of Europe. Do you know who even invented and perfected the idea of putting large artillery pieces on a ship? That's right, Portugal. Oh but they couldn't figure out how to aim them on land, oh no... Cannons were being used as land artillery by almost 3 centuries by the time of this show. To say they could not be counted to hit a target with any degree of accuracy at the range you could fire an arrow is m-o-r-o-n-i-c. No, cannons "of 50 years ago" weren't "absolutely terrible", canons did not see a significant leap in technology that affected accuracy until the mid 1800s when rifling was introduced, and again, Portugal was at the forefront of what steps forwards were being made at the time. By the way, the Portuguese merchants had no problems selling the cannon technology to Japan just as they did with guns. The Japanese were not as interested in them because they possessed neither the technology nor the resources to make them themselves. Nothing here would be new to them. They bought all the canons they could buy when they could buy them and even made some but the largest ones were as small as the smallest caliber ones you would find in an European ship and it would remain that way for a LONG time. Unless the main character brought canons from more than a century in the future like he did his guns, his shop would not have anything different than a Portuguese one would have. Also he literally talks about his marvelous cannon being able to breech a castle. A CASTLE. Being able to hit a castle is supposed to be some mindblowing technological feat? And he literally references the siege of Malta "40 years ago" to explain how useful cannons are. Turns out cannons weren't so "absolutely terrible" even in the nonsenical canon of this show huh? You need to shout less and learn more.

@@deathtoraiden2080 Small correction, the Siege of Malta was mentioned not for cannon, but the use of war rockets. Too bad Mariko stopped him in this one instead of what we got in the book xD

@@deathtoraiden2080 I'm a retired field artillery officer and study artillery. This show shows the c. 17th century era and those naval guns are about the worst thing to be used for *field* artillery. Those naval gun carriages would weight well over 500 pounds each and nearly be impossible to move if there was a little thing called "mud" or sand. Put a gun barrel on them and they would be impossible to move. It's funny watching Blackthorn use the gunner's quadrant to figure out the angle of fire. Generally, it's helpful to put the quadrant on the gun. But what do I know? I only fired the real things. I'm still trying to figure out how Blackthorn was using as a caisson to move the ammo since the field artillery carriages at that time stored the ammo next to the guns (naval artillery stored the powder in a ship's magazine and a youngster - called the powder monkey - would run to the magazine to get the powder). It's a TV show and I don't expect accuracy. I do know the Swedish invented field artillery that were made out of cast brass. Blackthorn's guns were made of wrought iron bars beaten by hammer into a barrel. They had a nasty habit of blowing up and killing the gun crew. Also, I can tell a "blank" gun TV show firing just by looking at it. Most people have not been around the raw power of field artillery. I've seen 81mm mortars, 4.2 inch mortars, 12 pounder Napoleons, 3" Ordnance rifles, 3" Parrot rifles, 105mm guns, 155mm guns, 203mm (8") guns, and tanks fire. Even the Civil War weapons are extremely powerful. When fired pushing a "shot" the Ordnance and Parrot rifles will fly back 5 or more yards. The modern guns have a fireball that's at least 10' in diameter. I've seen the 8" guns tear grass out of the ground. The Swedish invented "field" artillery for the 30 years war. Napoleon standardized artillery for his wars in the late 18th and early 19th. The American Civil War was the last use of muzzle loading cannons by both sides in a major war. Prussia (Germany) introduced a 76mm (3 inch) breach loader for the 1870s war. By 1897 the French introduce their 75 mm gun that breach loading, has a recoil system, and a modern aiming system. In 2024 most guns are not greatly different from the French 75 mm gun. Granted the computer systems, guidance systems, and the projectile have all radically changed. The French also invented the modern tank and working bolt action rifle. Smart folks those French. Also, one of the worst things to happen to Western Civilization was the fall of Byzantium. The fall of Constantinople, also known as the conquest of Constantinople, was the capture of the capital of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Empire. The city was captured on 29 May 1453. The Ottoman siege artillery made that possible. Naval guns are not field artillery. Field artillery is not siege artillery. Naval guns can be used as siege artillery. Naval guns and naval carriages can be used in a fort (you're better off with army gun carriage).

@@afeliasThe Ottomans used large amounts of cannons in the siege of Malta. The massive bombardment by cannon fire is one of the most famous aspects of the siege. I haven't read the book but in the context of this scene and the actual history it only makes sense he would be referring to the cannons. Even more taking in consideration that rocket artillery was definitely not new to the Japanese.

You find true stories, idiotic? The Japanese asked William Adams(Real life person Blackthorn is based on) to build them English style warships and teaching them. Western military tactics to counteract perceived growing Portuguese Catholic hegemony in Japan

@@Rowlph8888 At no point did I claim I find true stories idiotic. I have read the Novel and watched the original series multiple times. This modern take looks like complete and utter garbage. Nothing but BS left wing girl boss troupes being pushed. The acting is terrible as well. This show is nothing but a pathetic imitation that is trying to appeal to "modern audiences". Its trash

You're a goofy little fella lmao. @@redfox669

@@TheTeddyGuy28 and you're a pathetic simp who can't think for yourself. LMAO!

@@redfox669If you think this is girlboss pushing, you'd have a heart attack at other series being released these days

Nah, you're just wrong. Those are great actors but no one who was cast is a miscast

L take

I think that the Mariko and Fujiko character ladies should have swapped places... We could have been charmed by Moeka Hoshi as Mariko, and Anna Sawai could have been a perfect ' Ice Maiden ' as Fujiko... Just my opinion...

@@richardruff8712 i suspect anna's casting is mostly because she actually speaks english.

@@yuuyake3770 Wasn't a problem for the actress who played Mariko in the 1980 version.

He's essentially a prisoner, and she holds complete power over him through her translations. She could say anything to him and he couldn't do anything back.

@@tellyheadlol4258 Plus she is of noble birth. It isn't like she is some peasant. As a lady she is afforded some respect. She speaks in a different tone to her male superiors of course but she is hardly exerting power over people above her station. She is just a translator of high birth who is respected for her education.