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I love how he was holding it like a cutlass

"This appears to be occurring..." LOL

Yabushige is such an idiot but I love him. 😂 "You would've died if I wasn't here."

Blackthorne is not Nathan Algren of Last Samurai. He’s not going to learn how to use Japanese blade in a few weeks.

Asano Tadanobu’s performance in this thing is so good. This is an extremely common, but little-appreciated, type of Japanese guy - a bluff, crude, beardy oaf whose number one friendship-building strategy is to make obscene, ironic remarks and smack you in the head when you’re not paying attention. More than half the people I know are like this, and I love them all.

Another explanation of Blackthorne’s embarrassing performance here is that he doesn’t fully realize that Yabushige is giving him a lesson and not trying to kill him. He doesn’t understand his words and considering Yabushiges past actions and violent tendencies it isn’t out of the question that he might just finally butcher him out of spite.

Genghis Khan teaching an Englishman on how to wield a katana...

Blackthorn is clearly faking it. Man is a seasoned privateer who raided dozens of Portuguese ports he absolutely knows "the blade from the handle". But it's smart to let the Japanese think he does not, especially given how this episode was all about deception and appearing weak when strong.

I like how the swords don't go SHWING when drawn, but have a woody sound as their scabbards are made of wood.

-"What are you doing?" -"What are YOU doing?"

John and Kashigi are the same. They're both just soilders who are both caught and trapped in the politics. I believe that if they were together and if they thought Toranaga was in danger they would fight to the death side by side having each other's back. Obviously, Kashiga is higher ranked and all that. That's not what I meant. I just meant, they share common things about them. That's all I meant.

I like how he initially holds it like a rapier for a fencing euro style fencing duel , which would make sense. then he immediately corrects it to "two hands" and yeah, Europeans had two handed swords before this and were familiar with this. People tend to forget that martial arts were as common and developed in the west. Not to throw shade on japanese here.

Sailors of the time should be trained for war. Samurai attacked a few nanban ships and paid a heavy price. Don't like that they effectively made John a civilian.

"Eating a succulent Chinese meal"

Well that escalated rather quickly.

I wish the trope of "Europeans don't know the way of the sword" was less widespread.

Tadanobu Asano is such an awesome addition to this show! I've followed his work since Ichi the Killer.

love how John holds it like a saber, you know what he would normally be using lol.

They really nerfed Blackthorne in this series. Blackthorne in the novel is educated, experienced, intelligent, and worldly; above all he's a survivor. I'm left wondering why Toranaga like this guy? Why is Mariko attracted to this guy? He spends most of his time moping around, and his learning seems to have plateaued. He's not getting particularly better at Japanese, and he's not seemingly actively interested in doing so. He's not being assimilated into Japanese culture, which happen to him in the novel, and is what happens to the real William Adams upon which he is based. Blackthorne was more multidimensional in the novel; there was more to him that just the knowledge he had that was useful to Toranaga. He was a rebel, a wildcard, and an outsider in a time and place where society was very formalized and rigid. He can get away with things others can't, and take actions others wouldn't conceive of, because he's a outsider with his own manners of behaviour and philosophies. And before someone says it, no he was not portrayed as a saviour who becomes a perfect Samurai and solves everyone's problems in the novel. He spent the overwhelming majority of his time in the novel at the mercy of events outside of his control, and was at the whim of multiple Japanese characters.

If he was a sailor during this time he would know how to use a blade.

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Samurai were highly trained land warriors. Buntaro himslef took on an armed mob and escaped. Of course Blackthorne was experienced in fighting as well, but not in the same caliber as a Samurai whose whole life is land warfare. I think the scene is showing the vulnerabilities of the character which is necessary for good character development and arc. This is not Disney Star Wars where Rey was born a Jedi Master 😂.

Context is everything. He is unfamiliar in that environment and hence why so vulnerable

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I think bontaro wanted to kill him because of the way he was holding the katana 😂

The lost irony of this scene and what the author James Clavell likely didn't adequately understand himself at the time of his writing Shogun was that a TRUE Elizabethan "John Blackthorn" who was supposedly a veteran Elizabethan pirate turned Anglo-Japanese adventurer in the novel? Would've had a very good grasp of sword, dagger, or pole arm fighting....just not perhaps in the highly formal Asian systemized way that a Japenese samurai would've been. And a REAL "John Blackthorne" would've fought much more down and dirty. Using whatever weapon was at his disposal certainly, but would've had a better than an unarmed commoner's education in edged weapon useage. Because edged weapons would've been a day to day facet of a REAL "John Blackthornes" 16th-17th century life. In short?? A real "John Blackthorne" wouldn't have been dependent solely on his pistols to kill someone. That someone including a Japanese samurai. So the over dramatic "John Blackthorne being in awe of "superior" Japanese swordsmanship" trope portrayed in the show? Is exactly that. A well worn fictional trope. One that was once used by authors and media at the time Clavell wrote his Asian novels to help sell their works and the "mysteries of the Far East". A trope that has worked quite well since at least the early 20th century and one that's largely been accepted as normal in today's media. But a fictional....not HISTORICAL....honesty.

I do hope to see John using a rapier or cutlass, to show them he can be deadly efficient in a fight

Buntaro is a legend, but he would have to commit seppuku if he were to kill John Blackthorne, as it would be a disservice to Lord Toranaga.

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I adore the kyu-gunto, so when I saw how Anjin holds his katana, I squealed a little

The subtly disturbing thing to me here is that the pot is uncovered and someone is stoking the cauldron with wood...meaning its going to be used again soon...

Mariko and Blackthorne seem to welcome and want death either because they are both fearless or because they can’t be together.

Always saddened me that Kashigi Yuba is so treacherous. I like his character, just wish he had a pince more loyalty

Truthfully, at this point in history, English sailors would've been more proficient in sword fighting and the use of pole arms than the English infantry who had long ago switched to pike & shot tactics. Naval warfare would be dominated by the cutlass and its descendants along with pistols and the occasional longarm for centuries. Portraying a seasoned sailor such as Blackthorne as martially incompetent is such an odd move.

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Utter BS. An experienced seventeenth century Elizabethan sailor, a pirate by definition, would have good command of bladed weapons such as cutlasses, cut-and-thrust swords and, if a gentleman or has pretenses of being such, rapiers. A katana is different, yes. But not so dissimilar to a cutlass that Blackthorne would be helpless. Period samurai coming up against period Spanish, Portuguese and English sailors got their rears kicked on at least a 50-50 basis. After a few encounters between Japanese wokou and Spanish troops in the Philippines, Spanish sword-and-buckler men were especially respected as opponents. This "white man can't use sword" trope is ridiculously overdone. Unless, of course, Blackthorne is faking the whole thing in order to appear weaker than he is.

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I did not like that scene at all. Blackthorne is an experienced Naval Officer, he would have known how to use a sword of any type at least in the basics. The character he is based on was fighting with Francis Drake before going on a Dutch ship, he had a lot of fight experience for sure. From personal experience: A Rapier or Saber can do fight very well against a Katana. Same for the style, i did Kendo a lot of years and met a Hema guy, i fought with his sword, completely different from a katana hold and i did not that bad against him. So, if you know any type of fencing, you will be O.K. fighting a different style to some point. They made him look bad with that.

John Blackthorne in the book had been fighting at sea his entire life and had also taken part in land battles in the Netherlands. He states that he is more familiar with cutlass and knife than anything. So while he may be less competent with this type of weapon he certainly knew how to fight. So the only explanation would be that he was pretending not to. But why? Kashigi knew that he had been tough enough to cross oceans in a little wooden ship so would hardly expect him to be weak.

Man fought Raiden and lived to tell the tail. I call that a win.

Actor playing kashigi either has studied some serious japanese sword schools, or he really did hs homework, because how he drew his weapon was specific to a certain sword school, if I'm not mistaken. KZfaqr Shogo's Sensei is master of said school, unless i am wrong. Buntaro's actor, however, learned to sheathe his sword from movies and video games, it seems.

I'd love to see him learn before he dies in battle next season.

they swapped place after buntaro peeking lmao

There was a well known Gallowglass that worked for the Portuguese. Butched every hostile Japanese swordsman or man at arms that came at him. His comment, you shouldn't send a carpenter to fight a professional soldier.

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Well, im seriously in lust with Mariko. With that out of the way. If you recall, Mariko was going through the ships log and saw how many towns they sacked, burned people alive, etc. They killed a lot of people on their journey. Just because John didn't know the fighting style doesn't mean he couldn't handle himself in a fight.

So... Let me tell you what most people are looking for in a duel here jack.. 😂 I thought something way different was gonna happen Maybe use Sabre manual/doctrine with a foreign curved sword and it would be an interesting clash of martial abilities but... Nope basically how all the sword fights go between my toddler and his oldest brother 😂😂😂

This scene made no sense to me. The show had already established that Blackthorne could fight in melee combat back in the forest battle scene. If he's capable of using a naginata that he shouldn't be nearly as useless at wielding a katana or fighting melee generally. Sure no ones expecting him to be really proficient but there's no way he should be getting immediately disarmed with no effort. In the original 1980 show he states he has fought in two land battles in the past, but as I've not read the book I don't know if it's true there as well.

honestly still can't be sure whether Yabushige is trying to humiliate Blackthorne or teach him a hard lesson. or both, of course

He's a major pilot guys, not exactly out raiding even if he is a privateer.

Behold, the pride of the Kings Navy ...or Queen. 😆 Who was the ruler of England during this period?

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Feel like John is being wasted. I was hoping for a sequence of training and him getting more accustomed to Japanese culture.

Give him a rapier?

I wonder how John would do if he had a cutlass

Редкостная по идиотизму сцена. Можно подумать, что это я попал в Японию, а не хитрый и опытный пират.

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The series looks good, but this wasn't in the original book.

This is one bit of the series’s that I didn’t care for. Blackthorne had led men into battle on land dozens of time. Not to mention ship boarding/fighting generally was a lot more brutal than the pike and shot block formation style warfare common to the time.

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They Neutered him. Making him not battle-worthy. And they didn't stick to Tradition by Not giving us a white vs Samurai fight like in The Last Samurai.

HIS NAME IS NOT KASHIGI LMAO

So…a pirate pilot of a globe spanning merchant/warship of 1600 doesn’t know how to use a sword? Yeah, it’s a katana, not a rapier, arming sword, cutlass, or hanger, I get it. That said, he has Z E R O knowledge of edged weapons? Suspension of disbelief is over, the premise is BS.

Ah yes a guy also trained in sword loses, because reasons. Guy would have literally moved the sword out of the swing and thrust. Oh wait, British, white, and male.... Ooohhh realistic to this time period, not that one.

why isnt buntaro fat!??!

Poor Kashigi Yabushige 😢

I hope now that the show is over people in hindsight can stop whining about John's performance. He's not seriously trying as he has no clue what's going on. He even says he's moving slowly in case he thinks he's in trouble or something. For all he knows Yabushige could be angry at him and he's trying not to escalate it, how is he supposed to know it's a competition? He handles himself in Melee combat perfectly fine in Episode 9 even with a Katana, nevermind using his pistol as a club.

John tried to use the wrong technique for a different sword. Naturally he'll be defeated. Also given the fact, that he's just a sailor, not a trained fighter.

an unpleasant and physically unfit and clumsy actor

This version of Blackthorn is too weak and complacent. Almost woke at being the inferior caucasian. Much preferred the original actor who didn't give in so much.

Some cringe comments in here lol. No a sailor isn’t going to be better than someone who specializes on fighting on land. The Japanese were probably the best land army in the world during the Sengoku era.

This series really butchers the book. Watch the original miniseries, it's far superior.

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BS DOES NO ONE EVER READ THE BOOK? THIS NEVER OCCURED. TAKE A GREAT STORY AND DESTROY IT. CHANGES THE ENTIRE INTERACTION OF THE CHARACTERS . I GUESS THEY SIMPLIFY IT BECAUSE TO ENJOY THE ORIGINAL STORY YOU HAVE TO THINK