Did you know Lord of the rings tv show is going too be run by people like at Lucasfilm we are in deep shit

I remmembered that you made the same video, exept it was tlj vs tpm.

yes indeed, but that was to show the double standard of certain fans was really proud of that one, that was like a revenge of the prequels prequel

@@anomalyinc3239 why did you delete them?

Anomaly Inc Yep I agree still to this day this is the worst Star Wars movie ever made destroying the franchise into an oblivion never able to recover again and won’t be able to recover. Luke Skywalker was disgraced and stripped down to nothingness. Fans won’t ever return I know I won’t.

Completely with you there. Actually, I'm surprised that TFA doesn't get more hate. I already completely despised it when it came out, while the general consensus at that time seemed to be that it's a pretty solid movie, which I couldn't and still can't understand, especially considering the backlash towards TLJ. In my opinion, TFA already commits exactly the same failures and faults as TLJ and it's equally disrespectful to the legacy-characters. As you said, Han's character development in the OT is completely destroyed. In three brilliant movies we witness his journey from an unreliable smuggler to an idealistic freedom fighter, sincere general and true lover. But, one movie later: Screw it all, he's an unreliable smuggler again. I hated that so much! And not only did JJ Abrams destroy Han's character in TFA. Because he basically wanted to copy ANH and start with the exact same premise again, he resetted and destroyed almost every major plot development of the OT. The Empire (now called 'First Order') is back. Yes, there was a New Republic after RotJ, but it's already destroyed again. Now, a new Rebellion (now called 'Resistance') is needed. And so on ... TFA already destroyed so much of what the legacy-characters accomplished in the OT. Luke's character-destruction in TLJ and Palpatines survival in TROS are only the final nails in the coffin. Imho, TFA is at the core of everything that went wrong with Disney's Star Wars.

@@mariozehren4666 and the Jedi are all but extinct again

Ikr you know what would have been better. Have kylo kill han solo in a flashback han dies in a flashback maybe that would be to dark and would stop kylo from being conflicted with himself. But i would have han die like after kylo destroys lukes jedi academy actually have han chase his son down find out whats going on and bam kylo kills his father. Disney brought han back so they could get nostalgia off him, like think about it his character in tfa was not the same as from the end of rotj they literally just reset han back to his old a new hope self but with a son and a family that he keeps running from. It was for nostalgia cus Disney doesn't know how to continue character development that wasn't originally their creation.

All Disney sequels are bad. But TFA started this mess and isn't a proper Episode 7, nor is it George Lucas' actual sequel trilogy story. Therefore it is the cause of this mess and reason for failure. I loved Rogue One and loved Episodes 1 to 6.

TFA was one giant "Ok boomer" to gather StarWars character and show them as bunch of idiots, to kill one character in every next part of trilogy Han, Luke,Leia and Palp and live of everyone before invalidated. Cheer on that.. One by one in each episode they died off screen or in absurd circumstances. RJ attempt murder Leia it was even worse than death. I lost hope when Han was killed..

And he *wanted* that film to be divisive _by design;_ in a past interview, Rian stated essentially he wants half his audience to love his work, and the other half to hate it.

Frostbite Digital honestly TLJ is underrated. I used to hate it with all my heart but after really thinking about the characters and their character development the only real problem is the stupid Canto Bight sub plot and how they used Finn in the middle half of the film.

Kaden The Human underrated? Fuck no. I don’t know what you’re smoking, man.

@@kadenthehuman Change your name to Kaden the goblin.

Alright, I forgot I commented this but just know that my opinions changed again a few times since I did. About a week ago I realized it’s not that good again. It does have good ideas but it really isn’t good as the middle movie, it really didn’t leave too many good open ideas for the sequel to it and it ruined Hux and made Luke’s character impossibly difficult to write into episode 9 without him being useless since he doesn’t have much to do that’s interesting such as battle snoke while Rey battles Ben since Kylo Ren was the only big bad left after 8.

Same reasoning, and because it's the last one aside from Rogue One that I actually watched in full. I was avoiding spoilers for TLJ until I had played with TFA in my mind to a point where the edge of nostalgia had begun to wear thin. Then I found Doomcock and thought "fuck it, I got a bad feeling. Let's confirm." Wtf I'm 🦏🥛 now. TFA is still the "brightest" spot in the dequel trilogy, but that just makes it retroactively worse, knowing how much potential was squandered from then on. Really got the shitball rolling in the worst fashion. I at first felt it an 8/10, but it dropped to a 6 when I realised how stupid the Phasma thing was... that initial viewing always had a strange undercurrent but with my knowledge now, that shit is absolutely submerged in its mediocrity.

I almost feel bad for Abrams but then I remember he had an entire universe of stories to explore, or at least be inspired by, but he went with hitting the reset button and just doing a retread of Ep 4.

Yep with you on that one, the rot started with tfa. I deluded myself in thinking it could be salvaged with tlj, silly me. I was so disappointed and actually upset about what had become of Star Wars that I still haven't seen tros and I don't think I ever will. I got all the spoilers before it was released having already decided for the first time since the release of Star Wars in 77 not to see a Star Wars movie on opening night. I simply didn't care anymore, they wrecked it for me.

Exactly. JJ simply used a dirty trick by leaving open ended storylines and a metric ton of unanswered questions that would never actually go anywhere or make any amount of sense. That way, the bad was somehow deferred until the next movie, to the point that to this day people think Rian Johnson is the one who ruined the trilogy while TFA had lots of potential. It didn't, it massively shat the bed and locked the room for the next guy to open up to deal with it. I always say that TFA was the gun being fired, TLJ was the bullet hitting and TROS was the body bleeding out. Just because the pain didn't start until the bullet hit and the victim didn't die until they bled out, doesn't mean that all of that wouldn't have happened if the gun hadn't been fired in the first place.

Actually the TFA was ruined by the TLJ, take the TLJ out and nothing wrong except for Rey but even the we WERE promised an answer although the TLJ and TROS was shit

And at least TROS was *trying* to capitulate in certain areas.

Well put. You can just hear Rian saying "You happy now?" throughout the movie.

I dislike Johnson as much as the next guy, but I think you're giving him a little too much credit. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

@@OwlPhobe While that is a good Peterson quote, the Doc should know better than to support the ideology of Zionism. Why he supports imperialistic genocide, I'll never know.

@@stephenobrien6983 I wasn't aware of that. Yikes.

Same

sadly, same...

You should at least watch it once (sober). I saw it in theaters on opening night with my brother. We both walked out laughing because we wondered what the fuck did we just watch. Baba Frick was the only highlight.

Same. TLJ was the final nail.

Oooooh the demise of skywalker that's a good one, I'm stealing it

@Jimb0 i can definitely see your point and i wholeheartedly agree that they fucked everything up from the start with TFA. I personally get slightly more enjoyment from TFA and TROS than TLJ but im grateful for Rian Johnson showing everyone how fucked Disney star wars is by making that trainwreck

I still can't get over yoda literally pulling force lightning out of the sky. It like we all just got slapped in the face so hard. I'm like force ghosts can physically interact with the living universe, are they really dead??? Rian is a horrible man

Yeah he tried, if the definition of try is: didnt try

Big Per lol, tried. He did his job horribly, that being to NOT battle with the previous movies director and work with what he had been given from TLJ. He shouldn’t have just tossed out the new characters, he shouldn’t have brought back palpatine and should’ve had Rey cope with the fact that she’s nobody, and he shouldn’t have had Kylo once again be the apprentice. At the end of TLJ he got the position of leader and we should’ve seen how Kylo worked with that position, but no we immediately see him get a new master telling him what to do.

yeah the main point it's between TROS and TLJ

More like "These will ruin my collection"

“These are forbidden from being in my collection”

general kenobi!

The circle was already complete with Episodes 1 to 6.

Force healing is only a problem because of the required amount of training is thrown out

Force Healing isn't as big a problem ppl make it out to be, because Palps outright told us that the Dark Side could do it. It needed more explanation than it got, but we've been told this was possible. Rey with Palp Lightning isn't bad. it helps foreshadow her connection to him and, at the very least, she didn't seem to control it. Palp's god mode lightning, as far as I can tell, isn't a lore issue. It's overpowered and goofy, but they explained it a bit.

I forgot about the force telepottation! Good concise list. : )

I think J.J Abrams is the biggest hack in Hollywood, which is saying a lot considering Rian Johnson is still allowed to work there, but at least he ACTS like a professional. Abrams has no idea how to write or direct but despite his childishly stupid way of making films, I can respect the fact that he takes criticism like an adult. It's probably his unpretentious and sometimes self-deprecating demeanour and the fact that he doesn't lash out after he's destroyed a franchise that makes people willing to forgive him and give him chances that he honestly doesn't deserve. I get the feeling that Abrams isn't a malicious or spiteful man, he's just an idiot who doesn't know how to make movies. Being a moron is not a virtue by any means but at least Abrams isn't so far up his own ass that he mistakes his stupidity for genius like Johnson does.

All Disney sequels are bad. But TFA started this mess and isn't a proper Episode 7, nor is it George Lucas' actual sequel trilogy story. Therefore it is the cause of this mess and reason for failure. I loved Rogue One and loved Episodes 1 to 6.

@Blue Wow, Hm, interesting, so even Transformers franchise has been "destroyed" by it's recent parts ~2014

@Blue I am not defending TLJ. But ultimately think about it this way: 1. TFA did not continue the story from ROTJ, let alone Episodes 1 to 6 2. TFA provides no backstory and does not insert into the saga like a chapter that George Lucas made (where each chapter is part of a greater whole and makes sense continuity wise as a running storyline) 3. TFA is NOT what the creator (George Lucas) intended since it isn't based on his sequel story 4. TFA doesn't give us the original characters making any sense - be it absent Luke (used as bait to get audiences in), Han the abandoner of his family, Leia the renegade, R2D2 barely present etc 5. TFA doesn't give us a galaxy that has any context, or makes sense 6. Thinking about it rationally and objectively, what is the actual story of TFA? It's mindless action without any of the context that was present in the "action" of ROTS, ANH, ESB. Compare the reason and tension present when Tarkin destroys Alderaan to the destruction of the "New Republic" by a weapon that wasn't present in the story to destroy an entity not present in the story. 7. Rey the Rude, was introduced in TFA itself. Constantly telling people not to hold her hand (Finn), arrogantly talks to Han that she can take care of herself (with derision), and bizarrely has Force powers no one has without explanation 8. The whole thing is just action without substance and crucially doesn't set up a story with pacing 9. CRITICALLY - it does not act like an Episode 7 of a 9 episode saga. It acts like the start of a brand new separate trilogy with cameo appearances from certain actors. TLJ is beyond bad, but it is important to realise that TFA (nor TLJ, or TROS) is NOT what George Lucas wanted, created or envisioned for the saga. How they decided to have rude Rey and her random gang instead of a red Twilek, Kira Skywalker, Master Luke, the Whills etc in George's story is beyond me. I would have thought anyone with a brain would have gone with the actual sequels.

@Blue But Star Wars was ALWAYS based on a story. George Lucas had a story. Sure the dialogue could be tweaked in the prequels, but you can't deny it's ONE story. And each chapter of Episodes 1 to 6 flows and makes sense. TFA was not an Episode 7 and therein lies the problem. We didn't need a "filler" or mindless action flick, we needed Episode 7 with an actual story. None of the action in ANH for instance is without purpose - it actually has CONTEXT and a plot, which is sorely lacking in TFA. As I said, compare the tension of moments in any of the previous films to TFA. There are almost infinite problems in TFA (and the so called sequels) that boil down to a complete absence of story and characters, versus Episodes 1 to 6. Many people also simply attack the previous chapters of the saga (I'm not saying you are), because they can't defend the new films based on actual quality story, established lore and logical common sense. I really didn't go to watch Episode 7 to watch rude Rey. I went to go and see "what happens next" and the conclusion of the grand epic space opera that George Lucas created. I loved Rogue One because it had an actual story and characters you care about. I really couldn't give two flying Stormtroopers about Rey, let alone the other randoms they inserted into the Disney sequels. Only two people (Other than the original cast) who I cared about were BB8 and Paige Tico (played by action star Veronica Ngo). Paige would have 1 million percent have been a better character than Rey since she actually made me feel something in the seconds she was on screen and hell, she's hot. Even 10 films of Rey, and I would be asking what is the point of this, this is meant to be a saga about the Skywalker and what happens after ROTJ?

@Blue Oh no, again same argument different words "movies about space wizzards intended for childrens", "watching movies wrong" good movie is universal when you can sit and watch but without constant cringe, regardless of your brain capacity, to skip more advanced analysis, but to be able understand more every other attempt. Bad story is when part of your audience with brain cells would want to just walk away from cinema. If they do so - you will not be able to sell marchendise and will be harder to demand from them pay you to see more... You can write whatever you want - this wont change reality. Those movies were failure, from nerd perspective end of story. While prequels to some extend wasn;t telling story in best way possible - because of that also loosing part of brainless audience. But fact that so many EU stories was built upon it proof that at least movies were inspirational at least. Let Lucas make couple good games and keep selling merchandise. TFA, TLJ, TROS let critics earn some money not Disney. This is't their fault like shill media want us to see it - but movies itself were reason. There would not be hiatus if movies were actually good. There would be constant hype for another one.. its that simple.

Exacttly!

Episode II is trash. The whole movie was CGI, so so bad.

​@@chickendinner5572😂😂

JH yep its true. Few months ago I hated TLJ, but after Knives Out and RoS i really enjoy it. Luke arc i great, Kylo is good and this movie is beautiful. Of course I have some doubts about movie (Canto Bight) but i'm sure that TLJ is better movie than PM and AotC.

I had problems with Knives Out but it was better than TLJ and other than the protag it had interesting characters with great chemistry.

i recommend y’all check out Brick. great Rian Johnson movie

@@deepay1840 Luke's arc is dick, they completely ruin him.

@@murray930 nope

@harrythebarry Hes right though. Plot holes and unexplained events isn't subjective. Objectively, if the rise of skywalker and the last jedi were their own films outside of the star wars universe, ROS is far, far lesser quality

@harrythebarry Definition of objectively: "in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions." This is without a doubt applies to the OP's statement. TROS can be proven to have a more consistent and fundamentally flawed plot with TLJ both as its own film and a Star Wars film, not to mention having worse effects and fight choreography than TLJ did. TROS is objectively the worse film.

TLJ has an actual plot that isn’t held down by trying to write the final two movies in a trilogy into one movie. It’s better

@@kadenthehuman but still shit.

I've went as far as to call TRoS the worst movie of the 2010's. I still stand by that statement.

And *speaking of* JJ's pandering fixation, I highly suspect why Anakin's ghost only appeared in the ST when Rey calls upon all their powers is so that he didn't have to hire Hayden Christensen; which would be double points in the eyes of the OT diehards who didn't like Anakin's portrayal and Hayden's performance in the PT, _and_ those who didn't like the special edition edit which changed Anakin's ghost to be of him in his pre-suit appearance.

@@legoferrari14 Exactly. The sequels are for Star Wars for people who hate Star wars

Absolutely the real skywalker get shat on, while a new, plastic character gets labeled as a skywalker...

@@bastis3439 The least JJ could have done is let all the Skywalker Force Ghosts appear in the end: Anakin, Luke, Leia, and Ben. One HUGE mistake to have only Luke and Leia.

@@ReonMagnum yeah, from a story point of view anakin should have felt personally investet in helping rey, after palps returned... Plus he should have warned ben solo, his grandson, not to listen to that stupid old mask.

Um... I fail to see how TFA is a meta-narrative. It's a weak retelling of ANH, yes, but it makes sense. Got a map to Luke Skywalker, gotta take it to the Resistance to complete, gotta destroy a base that threatens it, then go find Luke. I can follow that just find.

@@GameCat16 It makes no sense. It'[s ANH without the strong characters, laid-out rules,exposition, and worldbuilding. Above all, it has a coherent plot: it's about destroying the Death Star. Meanwhile TFA has two different plots that ram into each other and cause just a big mess.

Wyatt Hi. I’ll try to explain. Firstly, none of the events in TFA make sense in the context of the previous SW movies; there would not be a First Order, Snoke, Hidden Luke, Resistance, Storm Troopers or a Star Killer Base. Disney wanted the Star Wars product before the “and they all lived happily ever after”. This is where the meta narrative comes in to play: the assumption the audience is 100% familiar with surface aspects of SW. Basically all the events mimic ANH but minus context or reason. I’ll give 2 examples. 1.) The millennium falcon is on Jakku and the audience knows what it is but in the narrative it’s never explained. 2.) Rey uses a Jedi mind trick on a Storm Trooper. There’s no context for her to be able to do this but it’s Meta (she knows because the audience knows). Those are just two examples, but if you wrote down an outline for the events of TFA, there would be mostly Why and How is this even happening? Sometimes TFA tries to hand wipe or distract the viewer from asking these natural questions and even says “that’s a story for another time”. Luke does nothing in the movie because you’re supposed to believe that everything happens for a reason. It’s a meta narrative and a bit of a con job too.

@@TheWolfDogMoon "Firstly, none of the events in TFA make sense in the context of the previous SW movies; there would not be a First Order, Snoke, Hidden Luke, Resistance, Storm Troopers or a Star Killer Base" And why not? They killed the Emperor and Anakin sacrificed himself, but there was still a lot to build off of. You could say that they shouldn't have written this, but that's a different matter. Bear in mind, 35 years passed after Palpatine's defeat; a lot of things could have happened to explain how the First Order came to be (the title crawl even alluded to it by saying that it rose from the "ashes of the Empire." This, coupled with the fact that the Republic exists, suggests that it is a piece of the Empire that hadn't been overthrown, nowhere near as big as it used to be, but capable of growing). Snoke was set up as a mystery to be explained later (with the implication being that he was Darth Plagueis, having survived Palpatine's betrayal). The Resistance and Storm Troopers make sense in the context of the First Order, because I fail to see why FO wouldn't have territory of its own or Storm Troopers. Also, I don't see how Starkiller is impossible. Stupid? Yes. But not impossible in the context of the universe. Luke was hidden specifically to let the new characters (such as Rey) shine. Assume the new trio were good characters for a moment; they would've been over shined by Luke and nostalgia. He HAD to be hidden away for their sake. Further, they did explain it in the movie; Luke went off to go find the First Jedi Temple after Ben's betrayal (which suggests he was searching for something important there). The only questions left are; what is he searching for? Why is it taking so long? Where did the map come from? And all of that could've been explained later (although, Abrams would've been wise to explain that Luke made the map and sent it out; it would've stopped RJ in his tracks). This, as well as some of the other things you brought up (FO, Snoke, etc) didn't need to be explained in the first movie. They could've waited until Episode 8 to explain all of that. It's set up. The problem was that they gave the reins to someone who actively refused to do anything with it. "1.) The millennium falcon is on Jakku and the audience knows what it is but in the narrative it’s never explained. " I don't recall it being explained directly, but Han alluded to having lost it in a bet when they found him. Further, that moment wasn't just to tug at nostalgia; it was to give Han a reason for abducting them, which would, in turn, lead to Snoke and Kylo Ren learning their location as well as Han leading them to the Resistance. "2.) Rey uses a Jedi mind trick on a Storm Trooper." This, I will give you. I remember the same stuff with R2, and how he woke up out of nowhere. “that’s a story for another time” As I said before; that's called set up. I may get a little antsy here (as I've seen a lot of ppl in this comment section lash out at the idea of mystery), so I apologize in advance if I'm rude. I'm a writer who enjoys mystery; mystery for individual installments and mystery for the overarching story. Leaving some questions unanswered at the end of an installment helps give the next installments something to build off of. Anakin's lightsaber, the map, Snoke and Rey, what Luke was doing searching for the First Jedi Temple, etc. All of that was set up for something more. I, myself, have been thinking non-stop about the cool trilogy we could have gotten if we only had a writer who wanted to work with it.

​@@Tareltonlives The plot of TFA is relatively coherent. BB-8 has the map. Rey and Finn find him and have to escort him out (both with their own ulterior motives). They take the Falcon, which Han lost in a bet, and fly off, only to get captured by Han when he detects his ship. This leads to the First Order being informed of his involvement, thanks to the gang selling the info to Snoke's spies. Han leads them to a tavern that has contact with the Resistance as Snoke wipes out the Republic (or what I assume was meant to be just the capital planets of the Republic). Kylo Ren makes the mistake of taking Rey instead of the droid as the Resistance comes to recover said droid. Then we have a planet killer plot (that, I'll concede, was out of nowhere and had nothing to do with anything). The Resistance, with Rey, Han, and Finn's help, detonate Starkiller (after Han's death) and Rey is sent out to find Luke (presumably because the First Order knows where they are and they don't want to risk being followed), and then it ends. There are some holes, but the overall story makes sense. If you're complaining about certain mysteries, here's a hint; that's called set up. We've discussed this before and it seemed like you lost any arguments you could've used.

@harrythebarry Exactly!

Exactly the prequels were made to set things up

There must be some kinda way outta here...

Even the ending of Game of Thrones has more positive things about it, and that was essentially the benchmark for how awful a story's ending could be until TROS. 2019 was indeed a terrible year for franchises and fiction in general, bar the rare exceptions such as The Boys, The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance and Joker.

Princess Rainbovvs X Musashi Said the joker to the thief three too much confusion I can’t get no relief

join the bloody discord lol

@@anomalyinc3239 NET, my man, this would make a dream team. You should've joined forces years ago!

@@anomalyinc3239 😘

ahhahahahahahaha

1.) It didn't make Luke a coward. At worst, it said he was guilty, but Han said that Luke went to go find the First Jedi Temple, suggesting that he was looking for something to smite Snoke. The rest is on RJ. 2.) Where was it said that Leia was a terrible mother? 3.) It didn't render Return completely worthless. The fact that the Republic coexisted with the First Order suggested that it was smaller than the Empire (even if it destroyed the Republic in the first movie). They could have expanded upon it in Episode 8, but RJ chose to turn it into Empire 2.0. JJ, even if he was intending the same, at least set the groundwork for something different.

George Lucas regarded creativity very highly. He and his team went all out on the designs in the Prequel era. This is why countries like Russia really like the Prequels, even more so than the Originals. The nostalgia-blinded West simply couldn't see their good qualities, that is until Disney made the Sequels.

@@ReonMagnum I do not know about Russia. I am from Ukraine, and all the long-standing fans of SW that I know love the Episodes I - III, and saw TFA as a laughingstock pastiche, because we never had this weird boner for anti-Lucas propaganda (like trying to strip him of all credit for the OT and attribute it to Marcia and Kasdan) and the prequels supposedly having "not enough practical effects".

@@ZoomReverseFlash That "practical effects" argument is stupid since the Prequels have more practical elements than the Originals. Marcia Lucas did change up A New Hope's script, but not to the extent that George Lucas haters think. And Kasdan suggested some dumb crap like Han Solo dying and Luke taking his father's place as a Sith, which George ignored.

@@ReonMagnum What exactly did Marcia Lucas change up?

@@ReonMagnum Also Kasdan was the reason han was the way he was during the force awaken and his reasoning for why Han is that way come down to some people don't change at all despite what they go through in life comparing it to his own life.

It's called ROGUE ONE. Jesus

Rouge One, as opposed to Cerulean One😹

Rogue one is the only Star Wars movie Disney done well in my opinion

@@seanbhoycfc4834 yep, i consider it a fan film cause the story was already told in the books

@@CRAZYMUGMAN Yeah, But unlike their Sequel trilogy they had a clear vision for Rogue One which was aided massively because obviously it takes place between ROTS and a New Hope and it does feel like a very good fan film. It beggars belief how The same studio who mapped out a groundbreaking 11 year Arc for the MCU had no idea where to take a Star Wars trilogy!!! Hopefully Lucasfilm and Disney will get their act together eventually. You can't conclude the main saga with that garbage

With Force Healing (assuming Palpatine wasn’t lying) it would be through using the Dark Side of the Force to manipulate the midichlorians to create living tissue. And even then the ability died with Plagueis in a Tragic tale that I can’t get into now. But even then the use of this ability led to the creation of the Chosen One who would destroy the Sith in retaliation.

@@TheTendermen I have never heard the tragedy of darth plagiueis the wise. Is it a story the Jedi would tell me?

@@Daniel_Jones No, It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith Legend... There was once a Sith, So powerful, and so wise He could keep the ones he loved... from dying Of course, he feared one thing, and that was losing his power, which of course, eventually, he did. His apprentice betrayed him, and killed him in his sleep.

@@idioticcontrarian7083 is it possible to learn this power?

@@Daniel_Jones Not from a Jedi...

Disney ruined Light saber battles

Yeah and the rise of skywalker is barely even a movie so your point is invalid

@@thegreatcannoli189 I couldn't care less XD

@Go Time Now You wanna buy some death stickssss?

TPM is the weakest of the real Star Wars movies. Still a great movie

Wow. He dumb af... Has he seen Tatooine?

Absolute *dick.* Rian walked away from that mess wearing Deal With It Shades blaring airhorns like "Write your way outta that, idiot!"

Yeah, it is slight hypocrisy though granted, I think it is because this is mainlined that pisses people off. At least within Legends, the Emperor's return was a side story technically, and as such could simply be overlooked and or ignored without much consequence, u can't do that for EP 9 though.

If it was between a straight couple with the exact same lack of context or build up, would you care at all? Would you even consider complaining about it or would you just ignore it and just let it be a thing happening between background characters that is just there to show the characters celebrating like you would in any other movie? I don’t want to assume things, but to me it seems like the only reason anybody is even bringing it up is because it’s not a heterosexual kiss, which apparently means it has to be held to a significantly higher standard than anything else. If you react differently about a kiss happening just because it’s not straight, then that’s a you problem not a movie problem

@@jordandwiggins1026 Good point this is the type of "criticism" that made me leave the SW community