Dear Mike, if you see this: Please for the love of everything good. Just PLEASE have a public one on one discussion with Trent. It doesn’t have to be a debate. Just a discussion

Speaking as a convert, one of the biggest disconnects in thinking or general cognitive framework between the Protestant mind and the Catholic mind is the idea of "it is fitting..." vs "it is required..." I was never aware of this about myself as a Protestant when I was a Protestant. I only became aware of it after becoming a Catholic and running into a lot of instances (especially ancient and medieval sources) of the statement "it is fitting..." as a justification for an idea. At first, I really didn't like this. I didn't like it because to my Protestant mind to say something was "fitting" was ambiguous. I didn't want something to be "fitting" or "appropriate" I wanted it to be "demanded" or "necessary". I strongly suspect that this is an outgrowth of the fact that Protestantism is born out of modernity and one of the changes that leads to modern thought and becomes a hallmark of modern philosophy is the demand for mathematical certainty in ideas. In other words, something can only be believed if it is demanded by a kind of logical/mathematical certainty. As a Protestant when I made arguments for things, I was always looking for "it MUST mean this" or "this DEMANDS this view". To say "this view is fitting" to me was not an argument because it seemed totally inconclusive and uncertain. Eventually I realized that this mode of thinking (the Protestant demand for absolute requirements) is actually quite bad and has very bad results when it is applied to God. God is almost never, if ever, restrained by the kind of "must" and "demands" logic that Protestants are implicitly trained to think in. God almost always works on the principle of "it is fitting". You can see this distinction of thought in Mike's misunderstanding of Catholic teachings on Merit. On a certain level, he just lacks the categories to really comprehend what the Catholic view says. In Mike's mind, Merit can only mean "to earn". In his view, something is either demanded or it is not. Either we obligate God to owe us something, or whatever we get has nothing to do with us. He has no third category in-between in which What God gives us is not earned, but it is fitting. Which means we did not obligate God, or put God in our debt, but what God did was still in some sense a right and good response to what we did. For example: Let's say you go murder someone. It would not be fitting for God to reward that action by blessing you. God in his mercy may still give you grace by calling you to repentance, but that is not a reward for what you did. Now let's say you go out and you help the homeless in your community by feeding them and treating them with human kindness. You did not, by doing this, put God in your debt, or earn salvation, or earn anything else. In point of fact, you only did what was already your duty. You only did what you were already obligated to do. However, it is still fitting that God would reward this action by blessing you in some way. It's like a child who cleans up their room and the parent decides to reward them with ice cream. The parent was not obligated to pay the child. The child was only doing what they are already supposed to do. The parent is not in debt to their child because the child cleaned the room. However, it is fitting that the parent reward the child, if they feel so inclined.

I have never seen Trent attack anyone or talk down to anyone. He always presents his arguments with true grace no matter the attack on character.

Imagine how confused Christians were for 2000 years before Mike Winger came along to set us all straight

“I do more to help you understand the catholic faith than Trent Horn does.”-the arrogance here. As a former Protestant, I can only endure short bursts of this man.

The disturbing thing is that Mike thinks HE is the one who is going to explain what the Catholic doctrine means, as if the Catholics themselves don't know.

He lost me when he went to the dictionary for the definition of merit. Might as well go into a courtroom and use the dictionary definition of assault instead of the code of criminal law.

Catholic theology has all the answers to these questions. It’s also in my experience the biggest stumbling block for Protestants who can’t understand why God would make the Faith so complicated. This is why the virtue of obedience and humility are the greatest.

As someone who has been watching both Mike and Trent for a while now (maybe years), I appreciate how respectful and thoughtful Trent's response is to him. I'd have a hard time doing that myself. I actually watched both Trent and Mike's videos on the subject before the rebuttals and it appears that Mike is leaning really hard on what he has personally come to understand Catholic teaching to be. But he doesn't seem to be very familiar with what the Catholic Church has interpreted those teachings to mean. It is amusing (and slightly frustrating) that Mike thinks that he knows more about what the Catholic Church teaches than a Catholic apologist. And I'm writing this as a protestant! I wish that Mike was more sincere and courteous in his rebuttal. When I watched Mike's video, I had to turn it off halfway and pick it up again later because I was getting worked up over how unfair he was being to Trent. I understand being passionate about leading people away from what he perceives as false teaching, but Mike's style only appeals to those who are already on his side of the fence. It doesn't help Catholics "see the truth". One of the reasons that I find Trent so compelling is that he's always very respectful and gives everyone a fair shake (Peter says in 1 Peter 3: 15-16).

I converted to Catholicism. I found that my Protestantism had been built on a protest against a strawman. The world went sideways when I realized I had been taught propaganda, and a lot of t it, about Catholicism.

For me it is the grace with which Trent address things without emotionalizing and even venturing into name-calling or judging intention that really impresses me. God bless your You and your work Trent!. Meanwhile I honestly pray you don't get distracted by someone like Mike who simpling stresses his hardwork and effort to understand Catholicism but closes his mind to the truth. Indeed "to those who believe( in the true Faith) no reason is necessary and to those who don't no reason is sufficient'. Unfortunately, Mike and the likes only see what their protestant eyes wants to see.

The charge that Trent Horn is a dishonest actor is pretty laughable considering the man numerous debates Horn has had with a variety of people; if he were truly dishonst, people would stop engaging him.

Mike winger is the king of "word thinking". He's insisting on words meaning certain things instead of arguing real concepts.

Wow. Tell a guy who works for Catholic Answers that he's getting catholicism wrong. Takes a lot of nerve. Thankfully these protestant con-men have ALWAYS had that in great abundance. How many times have I heard "Oh, I went to catholic school" or "I asked a catholic professor". A tried and true tactic of the heretic.

What a fantastic video, Trent. You were patient, kind, and showed exactly where Mike errored. It's a shame that he's unwilling to truly dialogue with you - and humorously reminds me of how Richard Dawkins so adamantly opposed debating with Dr. William Lane Craig. Watching this, and of course your other videos, really makes me excited and proud to be a Catholic (once RCIA finishes and I receive my Baptism). As a former Protestant and fan of Mike, seeing the way he intentionally focuses on small, insignificant points instead of actually doing the research to understand where these examples come from (like here with merits) is really unfortunate, and I feel ashamed for letting that shape me for a time. God bless you Trent, and I can't wait to dive into your book, A Case for Catholicism, which I actually bought while watching this debate. God bless you!

This is a guy who’s quite good at playing hungry hungry hippos going up against a master at 4-D chess. Roman Catholicism is operating at such a deeper level than these “Jesus plus nothing equals salvation” modern Protestants. Excellent job Trent.

Mike is reading Catholic teachings like an atheist reading the Bible. "I know what I'm reading, guys. I don't need anybody to teach me." 🤡

Winger takes modern language and points of views and applies it to ancient doctrine, teaching and word use! Great example of modernism! Another proof how it’s the summation of all heresies.

Trent hit the nail on the head...you don't go to a layman's dictionary for technical terms....

Mike constantly says "I've spent hours studying Catholic theology" Anytime I hear someone CONSTANTLY say how much they've studied something, the more I think they don't know it. He constantly needs to reaffirm his audience that he REALLY knows Catholic theology, but he just doesn't

Seems to be a frequent theme in anti-Catholic apologetics. Adopt a simplistic definition of a word used in many different complex ways and then draw many many erroneous conclusions based on your initial error.

Winger often falls back on the “trust me, I’ve really studied this stuff” argument which isn’t an argument at all.

I'm not a Catholic, but I agree with you that Mike has mischaracterized the position. It seems to me that the actual point of difference is that Mike reduces justification to a salvation binary (you are saved, or you are not) whereas the Catholic concept of "justice received" in Trent is one of degree (that it can be "increased"). Missing that difference can easily lead to misreading Trent as some kind of works-based, earned salvation, and the suggestion that Catholic apologists are trying to weasel around it with wordplay.

It's always funny how Sola Scriptura Protestants don't think there can be an authority outside of the Bible, but then they go and hinge their argument on a definition by Merriam-Webster, an outside authority of the Bible. It's one that THEY agree with, so it's fine. They've now made their own Church of Merriam-Webster.

We all know why mike wont engage on a public platform. Its nice and comfy behind his computer screen with noone to pressure him.

Let’s continue to pray for Pastor Mike Winger. Honestly. His ego gets under my skin, but then I remember that people who have had Protestant leadership and then have come into the realization that the Church is the church Christ instituted, it was difficult for them. It can break a person. Their whole world gets turned upside down. They lose a position of power they once had. Every thing they’ve held as truth is suddenly revealed as false. Their families are heavily impacted. This type of revelation affects everything. Pastor Mike is just not at this point yet. He’s in defense mode. That’s okay. Everything is in God’s timing. Perhaps he will get there. Perhaps not. My only quip is, he needs to stop expecting that you, Trent, and anyone else won’t rebut him every time he attacks our faith. He needs to be willing to dialogue if he continues to do this. He tells his church members to go out and speak with Catholics but he does not do the same.

Mike Winger: "I am open to correction" Also Mike Winger: *doubles down and refuses to be corrected*

Trent, thank you for keeping this civil. I watched Mike's whole video and I felt he characterised you as some sort of dishonest, Catholic gremlin who was seeking to trick Protestants. Mike needs to engage in actual dialogue otherwise he'll forever be accused of misrepresenting Catholicism. Good work.

I find it interesting how Protestant Pastors seem to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against the Catholic Church that could be spent ministering to their flock. Catholic Priest seem to rarely mention Protestants and usually do only in the context of praying for them to return to the true church. Protestant gunna protest I guess.

"Repent, believe and be baptized. Then if you commit mortal sin: Repent, believe and confess." Wow, I love this. Thank you Trent for Jimmy Aiken's wonderful quote.

"I've offered to publicly engage Mike on all of this and he's declined." That says it all.

Why doesn't Mike understand what meritocracy means. As a veteran I remember them using this word all the time. I received a Meritorious Service Medal essentially everyone who joined after 9/11 received this medal we didn't earn it IMHO we just happened to join and or served for 2 conservative years following the events of 9/11. Myself and my husband received a Navy and Marine Corps achievement medal I don't think I should have received it I was just doing my job honestly I think I got it bc I'm a woman my husband however worked 20 hour days doing the work of like 3 people bc his crew were lazy and apparently didn't care if the ship went down or not.. He to doesn't really believe he earned it, he feels he was doing what was right going above and beyond is just part of who he is He didn't want his ship to sink or be dead in the water. I believe he merited it. Or let's use my cousin his humvee was blown us by an IED half of his platoon was killed. him and his best friend received a purple hearts. Meritorious Honor for Valor again they were just doing their job however the "Top Brass" believe they merited such high honor. If we use the "Top Brass" as an example of God than you can easily explain meritocracy using the military you can actually use the military to explain many things regarding the Kingdom like the Roman centurion he understood Faith and a Believers authority more than all the children of the promise This doesn't seem like rocket science but folks like Mike Allen John MacArthur James White etc hate the Catholic church so much they refuse to see the truth

"But he said legally!" --- Come on man that was just a simple example for understanding. SMH no charity or understanding at all

"if you guys think I'm arrogant or pompous..." then proceeds to tell you why he knows better than practicing Catholics 😳

Because of "pastor" Winger's critique of the Catholic faith and Trent's rebuttals I am edified and I learn alot!

Mike always comes across as having a somewhat condescending attitude when speaking on Catholicism. Thank you, Trent, for always assuming a more humble, charitable approach.

I feel like I finally got my head around strict/condign merit thanks to this video. So, thanks Mike!

The clarity on that parable about the workers really helped me! I've been wondering about that for years. If NOBODY'S work would ever merit, in a strict sense, a days wage, then obviously it makes no sense to get mad that somebody gets it after 1 hour, or 12 hours. Honestly, that blew my mind. Thanks Trent. I never thought about that before and it makes all the sense in the world. The idea is if we agree to do as we are asked we recieve a pay far greater than anything we deserve.

I've noticed a trend with Winger when watching several of his videos. He seems to not fully grasp the complexities of the topic he is tackling (I'm not sure if he's unable or unwilling), and then offers an overconfident simplistic analysis. In this case, he continues to repeat things that simply are not true about Catholic teaching and belief ("you have to get a certain amount of grace to be saved," "grace is like a substance you have to get more of," etc.) or simply fails to grasp the depth of Catholic theology. He says "any work added to grace is not grace," then when offered relevant and thoughtful distinctions to help him understand the Catholic position, he either misunderstands it or willfully misrepresents it. And then keeps falling back on his simplistic view as if that were some kind of virtue. It's frustrating.

Mike’s biggest stumbling block in his “research” on Catholicism is not realizing it’s a *living* authority. You don’t have to try and figure out what *you* think Catholicism teaches. You can go to the living magisterium for clarification. Approaching Catholic teaching with a Sola Scriptura posture (aka: Sola what-I-think-it-teaches) leads to the confusion many non-Catholic Christians have. Incredible job Trent. So much clarity and charity!

Trent Horn rude? What is this guy smoking? If Trent is rude then who can be considered nice?!! Trent is the nicest and most caring apologist I’ve ever seen! He is extremely charitable in all debates I’ve seen him engage. Mike needs HELP. Honestly he should just wander off and try to help others. We Catholics KNOW the truth we don’t need Mike’s misguided “help”

The man realizes his flawed reasoning as he speaks, its actually quite something to behold.

As a Protestant I must admit that Trent is absolutely clear on this issue giving a precise explanation of justification according to the RCC. I think Mike is missing "merit" making his response miss the mark. Currently reading The Case for Catholicism btw, great book! I still don't have great protestant responses to your critique of Sola Scriptura yet, but I'm thrilled to learn more about Catholicism.

If you look up "person" in Merriam-Webster, "human" is listed as a synonym.

I've said it before, I don't know how you do it Trent. 9 minutes in and I'm shouting at my phone like a total lunatic. It's just so dang hard to listen to Winger. Thanks for doing the hard part.

Mike Winger: I present Roman Catholicism more honestly then Trent Horn does, I know a ton about what Roman Catholics teach on justification, you can trust me I talked to the experts Also Mike Winger: *Thinks that Fr. stands for Friar*

That man really went to an online dictionary to find common English definitions to change the meaning of words as they are used in a theological context. Protestantism is nothing but a heresy of ignorance covered in arrogance.

Trent, your analogy is GREAT, exactly because it not only explains the difference between merit and earn, but also employs the father figure that God chose to reveal Himself through! It helped me months ago, and now explained in more detail, it is really enlightening! Thank you! It's very difficult for me to follow Mike, his sources are hierarchically disordered - sometimes he cites the Gospel, then the Cathechism, then some random answers from forums. It's confusing.

Winger: Catholicism isn’t a cult. Also Winger: Puts out a video with on Catholicism with cults in the title, puts Catholicism with several religions that are cults, and treats Catholicism exactly the same as the others. Also associates with people who do think Catholicism is a cult. (See Melissa Dougherty.)

As a convert I found the greatest barriers between protestant catholic discussion is we used the same words but mean different things. Sometimes the definition each side use are radically different but many times they are subtle and hard to see the difference but the implications of the differences lead to misunderstandings.

God has given us Trent, Jimmy and Scott. It's good to be catholic today.

Mike used Webster's dictionary to give a one-sided definition of merit. Even Webster fave multiple definitions of merit. It shows merit does not always mean earn. Mike misrepresents Catholicism and Webster dictionary.

This is what Mike Winger does. In his mind anyone who disagrees with his interpretation of anything isn't being an honest actor and is just misrepresenting. He does this to everyone, not just Catholics lol. Mike wants to be a victim of whoever he thinks is out to get him and would rather point at the people "attacking" him rather than dealing with people.

A quick note, let us, commenting as Catholics, assume that Mike Winger is as sincere as we would ask him to assume Trent Horn is. Yes, it was quite troubling for him to claim that Trent and Jimmy attempt to misrepresent Catholicism to get protestants to convert, but to turn around and claim that Mike is a sort of charlatan is uncharitable on our part. We ought to treat our interlocutors as Christ would, or as His misguided children. Edit: I made this comment partway into the video, and am, much like Trent Horn and my fellow Catholics in the comment section, baffled by the sheer amount of misrepresentations of Catholic theology from Mike Winger. However, I still hold that we ought to assume the misrepresentations are largely due to Mike Winger engaging with the materials he cites from a perspective that leads to him misinterpreting the material. This would not be due to some moral failing on his part, but rather, this would be due to him genuinely trying to engage with the material and failing to do so. There is nothing wrong with that, there would only be fault, if, after having received a reasonable correction, he would refuse to clarify and/or correct his previous statements.

Maybe I am the only one that thinks this way but watching Mike Winger use his chuckle, though seemingly disarming, is in actuality no different than if he would get "John MacArthur angry" with respect to the Church's teachings. In both cases, their deliveries are ugly and uncharitable.

It's a shame that false teachers like mike has hundreds of thousands of subs while trent has 30k. Im at the point where i no longer watch any protestants cuz it's just non stop misrepresentation , hatred and unbiblical

I spent the first 30 years of my life in the Calvary Chapel movement; there is a whole lot of good that goes on there. But man, watching this takes me back to some of those very frustrating bible study discussions that basically boiled down to arguing over the meaning of words. Catholic theology's insistence on properly defining words and establishing semantic distinctions is a whole different paradigm that I've grown accustomed to, and it's somewhat maddening to listen someone say that Catholics believe something when we don't believe that -- it feels like gaslighting. I don't believe it's intentional; evangelicals are so saturated with wrong ideas about what Catholicism is that it it's very challenging to convince them that they do not actually understand Catholicism.

Thank you Mike Winger, for allowing Trent Horn to dive a bit deeper into this. I love it when Trent is able to dive deeper into Catholic teaching, but I will say that I am disappointed in Mike Winger and his misconceptions about Catholicism. He claims that he tries to represent Catholicism correctly, but I just don’t see him doing that, but I don’t know the hidden elements in his mind that may be hindering him.

Hi there. I’m not sure if anybody will see this comment but I just wanted to chime in because I find myself in the middle of these kind of discussions all the time. I’ve been watching Mike for 7 or 8 months and Trent for 5 or 6. I’ve been Protestant my whole life but have only recently (early 2021) started asking questions about the Catholic tradition. It has been wonderful learning about the beauty of the Catholic Church. Most of my preconceived notions of Catholicism have been torn down (most recently the Immaculate Conception) and it has been very difficult emotionally. Thankfully there is a Catholic community at my college that welcomes me with open arms non-stop to answer questions , offer me prayer, friendship and emotional support. For most of this journey I find it hard to sway one side or the other because every time I listen to people’s perspectives it all sounds like solid interpretations. So I guess what I’m asking for is more prayer 😂 Also: I would love to see a debate between Trent Horn and the guy from Truth Unites; I think his name is Gavin. Anyways, God bless you all!

Its sad how Winger and other protestants just ignores the entire Gospels over and over again, rewards are promissed everywhere in the gospels as response to our actions. But they prefer to scream ROMANS4 and ignore all!!!! Its like if Paul came to teach something different from Jesus.

Once again, the depth of Catholicism blows protestantism out of the water without even trying.

If you read the comments everywhere on KZfaq/his social media (even in his rebuttal video); I seriously don't get why him/his fans have this impression that Trent Horn is in attack-hate-mode or something; Trent is super charitable and nice; and 90% of his followers are pretty chill.

"Trent Horn is misrepresenting Catholicism. I've spent so much time reading the councils and the catechism and official church documents" Literally a minute later: "So this is from the council of Trent [quotes a document that is not from the council of Trent]"

I just checked out the comments section on Mike’s page and there were tons of people calling him out on his unwillingness to dialogue about such an important topic. Maybe we can pray that one day he actually will sit down and talk with Trent face-to-face. Thank you for always being such an example of charity and kindness, Trent! You are an inspiration.

I can't stand Mike's passive aggressive smiling and sarcasm...then I realize that he feels his position so threatened as a protestant...and I can go on listening to him

I’m a convert to the catholic faith. These conversations are so hard to have with my Protestant friends. Many of them, not all, are so stuck in one way of thinking they can’t allow themselves to see that they have been misinformed about Catholicism

My man really said he's emailed Harvard professors about the defintions / meanings and then, instead of pulling any of those receipts out, he went to Webster dictionary... That was such a good laugh.

Thank you Trent for your holy and informed arguments!

Please do not stop rebutting any videos that misrepresent the Catholic church! Everybody is enlightened, everybody wins!

To all Catholics reading this, I ask that you begin praying (and fasting?) for Mike Winger, that the Lord would open his heart & mind, that the Lord would galvanize him to the truth, and that he be humbled before Holy Mother Church.

Mike seems to have a bad case of word-concept fallacy. And the fact that he explicitly stated that Trent is operating in bad faith (trying to trick people into becoming Catholic) caused me to lose some respect for him.

Just listened to it all. Mike could simply clear up his "misrepresentation" by having a simple talk with Trent or any other Catholic apologist. That way the confusion can be cleared up right then and there.

Trent, thank you for your perpetual effort in representing the Catholic Church helping others in such a charitable way. Many of us would express emotions that would only push those who have yet to understand away, but you tirelessly engage them in new ways to see the beautiful Faith Christ gave to us! Thank you and know my prayers continue to be with you 👍🏻

Mike Winger is so adamant. He says the Catholic Church claims that you have to work for Salvation. Then, why do infants (that do no work or have no knowledge) get baptized in the Catholic Church? He says Grace and works do not go together. That is sooo wrong. Grace and works certainly goes together. It's just that you need Grace before your works pleases the Father. It is not works before grace; it is grace before works. And regarding the issue of meritorious grace, it only happens when you are in the state of grace. If you do not have the grace of Christ that is freely given, then meritorious grace does not apply. And by the way, meritorious grace is not earned but given as a reward by God on account of His divine justice.

Trent THANK YOU. Thank you for always being so patient and graceful in answering and clarifying these things. It shows that God can use “bad” situations to bring MORE LIGHT. Thank you. You inspire me!

Unfortunately, as a protestant, I don't find Mike all that charitable in his reading, and his philosophy seems pretty shallow. More than that he seems unwilling to actually engage the arguments made, and is more concerned about making sure he is right, than about actually reaching the truth - whoever's side that balance might ending up being on. Which is incredibly frustrating as someone who is questioning. I have found Trent (and others) and his arguments immensely compelling; including the one here on merit, which was actually really really helpful and cleared up a lot of things for me. What I would like to find though are solid Protestant arguments against, and to be able to weigh them up to see where the truth actually lies. But thus far all the protestants I've seen or read are more interested in proving catholics wrong than they are about defending the truth of their own position. Theologically, logically, and philosophically. Until then, I rather think that the Church has the edge.

Has anyone else responded to your rebuttals? I'm not surprised that they would be afraid to have a formal discussion with you.

Without even listening to any arguments these two men put forth, just look at their personalities. Trent is patient, charitable, kind, and humble. Mike is rude and arrogant. You tell me which one really knows Christ

I cringe everytime I hear "Roman Catholic." I know our diocese uses the term on it's webpage but when people outside the Church insist on calling it the "Roman Catholic" Church instead of just the Catholic Church it feels disparaging. I am trying to be charitable but it really grates on my nerves.

Was waiting for this. Hope you both can engage in a discussion/debate

Trent, thank you for all the hard work you pour into this ministry and for your humility. Unfortunately, Mike is making false accusations against you even so much as reading into your motives, painting you as one who is dishonest and playing games. That is not Christian. I think he is reaching. He seems nervous. May God bless him.

So sad that these so called learned protestants won't debate Catholic Apologists but mention like crazy that they did extensive research 😳 not realizing you did the same...Mike needs our prayers.

Trent, I don't how you do it, but what an AMAZING retort! The way he analyzed your retort and his view of the Catholic Catechism, is in line (in a way) with his "sola scriptura" method of interpretation......and I thought, it was only towards the Bible. You literally schooled Mike Winger and you did so with utter class. Let's just hope that Mike Winger actually learned something from this "schooling" by you.

Trent, keep up the good work. Before I made my Marian consecration, I had questions about our Lady I wanted answered, and I found your rebuttals to Winger's propositions, which helped address my concerns. Prayers for you 🙏🏼

To my protestant brothers and sisters who are seeking to become Catholic... please don't let a protestant teach you Catholicism because they will try and confuse you like this guy. they do not want you to escape from their clutches

I love me some Trent videos on a cold winter night 😁🙏

So glad your on our side! So charitable and respectful! Thank you for all you do. God bless

In all honesty, it seems like a lot of Protestant criticism of the Catholic Church comes down to semantics. Not all of it, but a good deal. For example, the hounding on the word merit, without really looking at the bigger concept contained within the word. It seems like a similar issue with the word works too. Because most Protestants I talk to in my personal life agree that you should do things to be a good person....they just have an issue with the terminology. Philosophically (not even theologically), works make sense, and they seem to understand it, but don't want to accept it. The way I understand works is: if there are actions that result in you turning your back to God and leading towards eternal damnation, there have to be corresponding actions that turn your face towards God and away from eternal damnation (though it must be added, these actions don't guarantee you salvation, only lessen your chances of separating yourself from God forever, since you are actively trying to follow God). To be fair, I'm young and not sure if I'm missing some nuances, but most Protestants I talk to agree with this basic concept....but not the word for it. It's odd. I've recently stumbled upon this channel and am really grateful for it! I'm going to go watch a video specifically on works now haha

It is people like Mike Winger and people like Trent Horn that makes me very glad to be Catholic.

I think this was the best video in this whole dispute. I never understood better than now after you went over the kinds of merits. This is how we should start talking about justification with protestants. I can tell it took the Church many many years studying scripture to discern the different types of merits which are seen in the different Bible passages. I still think authority is a better way to debate with protestant because their ideas are not congruent with the Bible because they were not taught how to read the Bible by the apostles so their opinions carry no weight.

Trent, this was a very clear and honest video. I will always be a subscriber and supporter of your channel because you handle yourself with respect, grace and honesty.

Thanks for the rebuttals I am protestant who is looking into Catholicism and orthodox !

Trent, your amount of patience with this man is astounding. I’m sure it’s, dare I say…meritorious.

I can’t anymore with this Mike guy. Kudos to you for your patience.

I’ve been following you and your debates, I love the way you’re representing Catholicism and have even made me fall more in love with my practice. Thank you and please continue 🙏🏼

We’ll done Trent. I just finished the video. Thank you for standing up for our faith. 🙏🏽

I am not catholic and don’t agree with everything put forward. However I found this very helpful in understanding things that I had heard but did not understand. Without hearing thorough discussion on ideas with people that understand makes it very difficult to understand doctrines. I have talked with Catholics before and never got a very good answer and would say that in some respects their views fly in the face of what Trent said. But I understand that for any church if you are not asking some one who truly digs deep in to their faith and doctrine in would be hard to answer. I now believe that we believe things a lot closer than I had thought and perhaps on some things the catholic view is correct. Thanks Trent for this video. I will say that as good as the internet is it has its hardships. I should probably not look at the comments because most do not add helpful information or discussion to the video and some actually muddle the issues and take away from it. Thanks again.

I get so sick of these protestants that think their interpretation of scripture is greater than The Church Fathers or 2000 years of Catholicism.

Mike Winger is going to merit a lump of coal in his stocking this Christmas.

As a Latter-day Saint or Mormon, I lost all respect after Mike's pathetic videos on us. Yours are at least well informed even if i ultimately disagree. You guys rock!