Antisemitism: An Ideology with No Promise | Jews and Power After October 7

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@willielee5253
@willielee5253 4 ай бұрын
King David had a different understanding, the enemies of God were his enemies.
@TheIsraelProphetess
@TheIsraelProphetess 4 ай бұрын
This is the mentality Jews need to return to. David defeated Goliath because he knew it was his duty to defend himself. Defending is a basic human right.
@willielee5253
@willielee5253 4 ай бұрын
@@TheIsraelProphetess They will, Zachariah 12:8. 💖God bless the 👑
@BernaskaneyTheLangobard
@BernaskaneyTheLangobard 4 ай бұрын
"As I thought that they were persecuted on account of their Faith my aversion to hearing remarks against them grew almost into a feeling of abhorrence. I did not in the least suspect that there could be such a thing as a systematic anti-Semitism." This was written by an Austrian painter.
@mireladler5383
@mireladler5383 4 ай бұрын
Who is the speaker?
@jaydee6414
@jaydee6414 4 ай бұрын
Can you get anymore positive than "Make America Great Again"?
@mabroukatis
@mabroukatis 4 ай бұрын
I'm Egyptian and I respect and curious to learn about every culture of my ancient region. But Zionism poses many challenges when I get to Jews. Some of my "muslim" Egyptians hail from influencial Egyptian Jewish families and Zionism confuses and scares them: are they Jews still? Are Palestinians who converted to Christianity or Islam could be Jews? Do their Jewish family hate them? Their family's heritage is Sephardim, and they lived in Egypt for many centuries if not millenia. Does that allow them to be Egyptians still if their "homeland" of their far far forefathers (Israel) is telling them that they don't belong to Egypt? And back to the lady's argument. Antisemitism surely seems to have been coined in Europe far from middle-east (where they're all Smeitics). Can it apply on middleeasterners who never committed pogroms or Holocaust? Inquisitions of Spain didn't see any difference between Muslims and Jews after the reconquest, both suffered the Inquisitions torture and seemed like a single body and nation. But my biggest question is: after the current atrocities (from both sides) at the establishment of the small state of Israel. And a near century of hatred between ALL the ethnicities/nations of middleeast and Zionist jews, and in few centuries down the road... Will Israelis be accepted still after all that? Was Zionism be still able to help Israeli state viable and sustainable with all that "negativity" in their own genesis region?
@paulywalnutz5855
@paulywalnutz5855 4 ай бұрын
google some talmud manuscripts and you will get an idea about what side of the biblical equation these guys sit on
@mabroukatis
@mabroukatis 4 ай бұрын
@@paulywalnutz5855 I'm not religious and assume that Bible is not history (you can learn more about my views of Jews history from the famous historian Israel Finkelstein "Bible Unearthed". Also, Judaism is not related to a group any more. Ashkenazim are Europeans with alien culture traditions and languages (Yeddishl), Sephardim are Arabs sticking to the culture and genes of MENA region, and many Muslims (100s of millions) has ancient jews (a people) DNA with various degrees. I'd claim that most "Arabs" closer descendants of ancient jews than any group or subgroup of Ashkenazim.
@peterc.4143
@peterc.4143 4 ай бұрын
@@mabroukatisYour questions are serious and very intelligent, and bring up very challenging topics related to Zionism, and what it means to be Jewish in general, all of which in my opinion are wrought with paradoxes. Let me try to answer from my own perspective. For what it’s worth, I am an American of Ashkenazi ethnic/cultural background, and was raised reform Jewish, but now as an adult I am secular in my daily life, and agnostic in religious beliefs. And politically, I have an aversion to Zionism and the so-called “Jewish State”, mostly for precisely the reasons you state. In my opinion, Zionism has a dependent relationship with antisemitism; in other words, Zionism needs the specter antisemitism to further “nationalize” Jewish people, isolate them from their non-Jewish neighbors, and make them feel as if Israel is the only safe place for them. Due to history, I suppose this is understandable. In its current form, though, of course it presents a paradox to the Egyptian Muslim of recent Jewish descent, or to the American Jew who wishes to consider Judaism his religion but does not see being Jewish as a national identity at all. The whole point is to cause this confusion, and isolate Jewish people from wherever they may currently reside, in order to incentivize them to immigrate to Israel, which they need both for their demographic political problems (more Jews in the land to outnumber the Palestinians), and also for some religious people as a fulfillment of the prophecy of the “ingathering of exiles”, in order for the Messiah to come. In addition, the problems Israel causes both in the region and the world in fact fuels anti-Jewish hatred and sentiments, for obvious reason, and thereby associated all Jews anywhere with the actions of a political entity that we don’t necessarily want to have any stake in. This is also very much intended, because more “antisemitism” in the diaspora, means more of an incentive for Jews to move to Israel. So there is a constant feedback loop between Israel making enemies everywhere, and a continuance and furtherance of Jewish nationalism (aka Zionism). This is in fact precisely what happened to Jews throughout the Middle East after the state of Israel was established. Contrary to popular Zionist mythology, Jews were not kicked out of Arab Muslim countries en masse; instead, the creation of the state of Israel created huge political and social destabilization in the entire region, ostracized Jews from their non-Jewish “host” populations, thus fueling their alienation among Muslim societies and furthered the incentive to emigrate to the newly formed Israeli state. In some cases such as Iraq and I think Egypt as well, Israeli intelligence agents actually fomented hatred against local Jews either by covertly instigating attacks against Jews or performing false flag attacks that were blamed on Jews, thus necessitating their exit from countries where they lived mostly harmoniously for many hundreds of years. A very sordid and sad history if you ask me. This gets at the heart of the problem-they needed to create a “nationalism” out of thin air, which also acquired assimilating all Jews to the newly created Zionist national culture, thus both Arabized Jews from the Middle East and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe stopped speaking their native languages (Arabic and Yiddish, respectively) and lost a lot that culture in favor of a replacement “Modern Hebrew” language and culture. Prior to the rise of Zionism in the 19th Century, I think most Jews around the world would have considered Judaism to be their religion (and perhaps ethnic group), but the thought of a political-state entity was not widespread (although the idea of emigrating to Palestine, without creating a Jewish exclusivist state, certainly has been present throughout Jewish history all the way back to the beginning of the diaspora ). So if you can’t tell, personally I’m not at all a fan of Israel, principally just as a human being I find their actions to be horrible and incredibly dangerous to the entire world, but even more as a person of Jewish background, I abhor the fact that whether I like it or not I am associated with a foreign country I have no direct stake in. While many other American Jews share my sentiments, sadly the vast majority of American Jews are heavily, extremely propagandized to be fervent Zionists, which I believe presents serious questions as to their loyalty and priorities vis a vis America, but that’s another question altogether. For this reason, your questions won’t even be able to be addressed remotely coherently by most Zionist Jews. You will either be met with a hurl of accusations that you are being “antisemitic” (an absurdity in itself for the reasons you pointed out); or a fervent Zionist just won’t even really be able to comprehend what you are saying and the logical inconsistencies that you pointed out. They’re so heavily committed to their ideological project, that you might as well be asking the questions in a foreign language, such is their inability to comprehend the inconsistencies of Jewish nationalism. And to even suggest that this Jewish nationalism existing inside of another nation’s politics and society is a deeply antisocial trend amongst Jews is absolute heresy. The one thing I disagree with you on is the notion that Ashkenazi Jews are completely European, with no ancestry at all from the Levant. There is much consensus within the modern field of population genetics that Ashkenazi are not descended from the Khazars, as many people like into claim, but are rather a mix between ancient Judean men and European women (mostly Italian). But you are correct that Ashkenazi have a much smaller share of Levantine DNA (estimates range from 20-40% on average for Ashkenazi) than the Mizrahi Jews, because they are slightly more admixed. You are correct to say that the average Palestinian has larger shares or ancient Levantine (or Israelite/Jewish) ancestry, which is a terrible irony. But it’s wrong to say that Ashkenazi have none, and are a completely European people. Also your assertion that modern Arabs (I’m assuming you mean people from the Arabian peninsula, and not just “Arabized” peoples throughout the Middle East) are more similar to ancient Israelites is probably also not true, because Arabians people are still genetically distinct from Canaanite/Levantine people. Palestinian Muslims and Christians share some genes and descent with even Ashkenazi Jews that they don’t share with an Arab from Qatar or Saudi, for instance. But really, all this discussion of genes and ancestors is rather odd in a modern context, because for one, no modern people is literally an exact descendant of an ancient people group. There has been much admixture for any group over 2,000 years. Secondly, what does it really matter to the legality and morality of what Israel does to the Palestinians? If Ashkenazi magically produced data that shows they are the “real” or direct descendants of the ancient Israelites, would that somehow make what they are doing OK? No, it wouldn’t, therefore I see all this talk about who is a “real Jew”, and who is descended from this or that ancient tribe not only exhausting and unproductive, but playing into the Zionist playbook, because they can always point to even some small genetic link as their proof. In that region of the world, everyone is mixed and everyone is related to some extent, so evaluating the percentage of “ancient DNA” from this or that group from the Bible (which I see a lot of anti-Zionists love to do on social media) is really rather silly and a waste of time. As for your questions about how long can Israel keep this up, while consistently making enemies with its neighbors? I would bet not that long. You’re right to suggest this isn’t viable in the long run. They have made such enemies with the entire region, which only reinforces their sense of being beleaguered and therefore justified to constantly escalate further and be more and more brutal…this is not a winning strategy in any sense, not least of which for being a respected member of the international community and of the broader humanity. They can either be a normal nation and extend full and equal rights to everyone that lives under their dominion, or commit themselves to ever greater levels of extremism and depravity. I fear they’ve already reached a point of no return. And there is something about the basic psychology of the Jewish sense of constant victimhood that would prevent them from ever doing for example what the Germans have done after WWII (take full responsibility for their atrocities) or even what happens in South Africa with truth and reconciliation. Jews in general and Israelis in particular will never have the humility to actually evaluate their behavior according to normative standards of humanity and justice. You can see from the way they talk about this topic and choose to use their power to suppress speech and information to control the narrative, that this is the approach they will take to their dying day. There will never be a moment when they realize that their national project has been a travesty and has failed on multiple levels, as they are constitutionally incapable of conceiving of themselves as anything other than the perpetual victim of “unexplainable” antisemitism, as the woman in the video put it. This is not a hopeful message, but it’s the truth, at least as I see it.
@mabroukatis
@mabroukatis 4 ай бұрын
@@peterc.4143 100% agree with all you see. I agree even to the Ashkenazi "correction", which seems like a misunderstanding to what I meant. 20th century "Israel" unfortunately is a cataclysmic event in the history of the middleeast. Something like the "Bronze age collapse" that depopulated the middleeast and collapsed all its empires and weakened Egypt irreversibly, or "Alexander's sweeping conquests" that Hellenized the entirety of mideast irreversibly that even the new testament was written in Greek and Islam stuck in Greek patriarchal chauvinistic values to this day. Israel, without any doubt, defines the beginning of the 3rd millenia for the entire region. Unless "Jews" (as we discussed an ethno-religion leaves it very vague), change something drastically and a post-Zionism post-antisemitism "victimhood" started healing and merging amicably with entire region, then this will stick forever and for thousands of years to come, a native group will be forever excluded.
@CelinTonny
@CelinTonny 3 ай бұрын
@@paulywalnutz5855stop forcing people to read Bible not everyone believes in that please come with real arguments,remove religion in your argument then defend Israel let’s see how long it goes
@castelodeossos3947
@castelodeossos3947 4 ай бұрын
As a prominent Jew has pointed out, the Jewry in the USA is the best educated, the wealthiest, and most powerful demographic. Same in most of the world. But now they demand that they be seen as victims, in the same way that the Jewry of the only democracy in the Middle East demand that they be seen as victims. And as another prominent Jew has pointed out, it is the first example in history of an occupier/oppressor presenting itself as the victim.
@ChodeEnergy
@ChodeEnergy 4 ай бұрын
Everyone else, all over the world and across time was just crazy.
@johnblack6819
@johnblack6819 4 ай бұрын
The jews dance on their graves
@mrmoralman1
@mrmoralman1 4 ай бұрын
Europe is/was anti-Semitic.... But now Palestinians are to blame😂😂😂😂
@redfern3256
@redfern3256 4 ай бұрын
Semitic people are not just Jewish people. Semitic people fall within a demographic within the Middle East. Arabs, including Palestinians, are also semitic. As much as Israel is trying to make the world believe, being anti-zionist or anti-israel does not mean you are antisemitic or anti-jew.
@Marie16240
@Marie16240 4 ай бұрын
Oh but it is. Show me one person that will tell you that antisemitism means anti-arab 🤔 That’s why they invented new category of islamofobic/anti-arab/anti-palestine You are technically correct, but words have meaning beyond technically correct. Trust me I would love to share antisemitism with arabs, that’s actually unite us 😉
@BenAdam-om2hr
@BenAdam-om2hr 4 ай бұрын
Okay then. It's time to call a spade a spade - Jew-hatred. Not 'antisemitism, the watered-down, kid-glove substitute for the actual thing that you now play semantics with. We all know that it is Jew- hatred, so stop with your nonsense about what Semitic peoples are. Be honest in your hatred of Jews, at least.
@funtimefoxy6699
@funtimefoxy6699 4 ай бұрын
Where else in the world will you find a Jewish population that isn't a tiny minority? Because denying them a place where they can actually, finally, be the majority is quite cruel. Would you deny any other culture the right to a homeland? Why or why not?
@redfern3256
@redfern3256 4 ай бұрын
​@@funtimefoxy6699 You're talking as though Jews are a race. Judaism is a religion like Christianity and Islam and people of that faith are situated all over the world. Israel is a self-proclaimed secular state who insidiously uses Judaism as a shield to cry antisemitism and deflect from the deplorable human rights violations committed over decades, and it's thanks to Israel that "antisemitism" has now lost all meaning. Any real Jew would never be a "settler" who kicks the door in of a random person with an armed entourage and forces them out of their own home with nothing but the clothes on their back. No real Jew would zip tie & blindfold a stranger and make them run while they hunt them for sport. No real Jew would look at the burned and dismembered bodies of babies, or just other human beings for that matter, and relish in the sight of it, that's just deranged. Israel and zionism is only detrimental for actual Jews and just needs to be abolished, for the Jews sake and everyone else's.
@sensitivedogs
@sensitivedogs 4 ай бұрын
All my life I’ve supported this ideology…I am now 61
@jalemairliha
@jalemairliha 4 ай бұрын
meaning you're an antisemite?
@omarjassar4650
@omarjassar4650 4 ай бұрын
And what about antiseptics ??
@FloriaTosca8
@FloriaTosca8 4 ай бұрын
Your venereologist will answer you.
@omarjassar4650
@omarjassar4650 4 ай бұрын
@@FloriaTosca8 I don't need a venereologist because I am a high ranking officer and we all know that VD are diseases of the privates
@omarjassar4650
@omarjassar4650 4 ай бұрын
@@FloriaTosca8 come on , you can do better than that , you just need to apply yourself
@jaydee6414
@jaydee6414 4 ай бұрын
​@@omarjassar4650: Ok, your gynaecologist will answer you.
@omarjassar4650
@omarjassar4650 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydee6414 How dare you assume my gender ??
@robinramkhalawan468
@robinramkhalawan468 4 ай бұрын
I think the muslims in Palestine are not antisemitic they anti colonialist if it was a christian occupation would be the same result
@MissingIJP
@MissingIJP 4 ай бұрын
What utter rubbish! God gave the Jews that piece of land & more. It is theirs historically. They’re the only Jewish nation in the world, while Arab (Palestinians) & Muslim nations are aplenty. Who are the real colonialists, trying to recapture the former glory of the Ottoman empire, or to establish an Islamic caliphate? Who are the real bullies? Are they not the surrounding Arab & Persian nations, with the support of fellow Islamists/ Muslims all over the world, never letting Israel live in peace? For shame!
@robinramkhalawan468
@robinramkhalawan468 4 ай бұрын
@@MissingIJP which god ?
@TheIsraelProphetess
@TheIsraelProphetess 4 ай бұрын
The God of Israel. The one that calls himself “The holy one of Israel”.
@robinramkhalawan468
@robinramkhalawan468 4 ай бұрын
@@TheIsraelProphetess Nope pls learn history the state was giving by colonial Briton you fool, by your thinking my forefathers walked that piece of land 10000 yrs ago it's mine lol you Zionist are funny
@kenlandon6130
@kenlandon6130 4 ай бұрын
@@TheIsraelProphetess The one that doesn't exist?
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