Totally man! I give credit where it is due!!

Hi. That’s awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing!

Awesome! 😎👍🏼

Thanks for sharing!

Sometimes I’ll use a pre-soak of ONR, applied via chemical sprayer. Mainly on a car that isn’t filthy dirty

Great tip! Thanks for sharing!

That’s awesome!! Love hearing feedback like that!! 😎👍🏼

Thanks!!

Awesome! It’s our SOP for our full details. Works incredibly well

Tsunami is awesome stuff!

Thats exactly what we teach! Excellent info!😎👍🏼

Thanks! That’s a great method for coated vehicles! Thanks for sharing!

Yeah I watched it. Every Detailer has to decide for themselves based on the vehicle in front of them. There are no “rules” when it comes to these methods. Whatever the vehicle requires, is what a true Detailer should analyze, not what another Detailer told them. Good info though.

That’s awesome!! 😎👍🏼

Awesome! Glad we could help!

Hi. Yeah I did in another video. I used it 1:1 and still thin. But I believe it’s supposed to be that way. Either way it’s way to expensive to use here in the US. Not worth it for us. I know our UK detailers love it because it’s cheap for them.

That’s a brilliant idea to use the detergent tank on the pressure washer! I used to do that but I haven’t even thought about it. I may need to figure out a way to do that now.

Hi Exactly! I thought the same thing, We have been doing it this way for years now. I still get people asking me why we do it this way, and that we should try this method or that product....when all they need to do it a little research and try it themselves. Some love to watch others here on youtube and copy them without really understanding the process themselves.🤷🏻‍♂️oh well...watcha gonna do right?

@@MirandaDetailing true and you really see the film being pulled off after spraying it with APC compared to the grime still being on there without APC. I just think they question it because the big dogs don’t do it so they shouldn’t do it too and it’s the wrong way to wash your car. It’s sad but the truth about the detailing community

Exactly. I have found out through experience that many of these “big dogs” of detailing don’t really hustle at detailing to make a living anymore. Guys like Larry for Ammo, Mike Philips from Autogeek and other are amazing and I have learned tons form them. We have implemented many of their methods but, we have found that some methods are unnecessary, they are just shown as options, not as a “rule of detailing”. Detailers have to make up their own minds and find what works for them and never accuse others of not “detailing correctly”. When those accusations fly it really breaks down the detailing community and causes Detailers to stop thinking for themselves, they now are forced to abide by these “dogmatic detailers” who are really just bully’s. It will show their true colors. So I will always be a realist and show the truth even if others bully us, I actively fight it to help others think for themselves! 😎👍🏼

Cool tip!! Thanks for sharing!

TFR is a specific product for removing road traffic film and usually is made up of harsher chemicals, and is not an APC

@@LSD04 yes you use some chemicals like pre wash foam that are specific but if you use Bilt Hamber depending on the dilution can serve as well. In the USA there are not many products available specifically except a few like Ethos Foam Party which is a pre wash.

Your welcome.

Wowser, that's a strong blend for the BH. Any issues with alu window trim?

Awesome. Great tip!

Does the degreaser kill the paint protection too?

Yeah I used to drive myself nuts thinking the same thing…until a really thought about it. Many detailers follow others without actually using proper thinking abilities. I think about this: when driving at higher speeds and you drive through mud or dirt, it will wipe across your paint at high speeds….already causing scratches. Rising with water will not push it into the paint causing the scratches, the scratches are already there from driving! Nobody acknowledges this! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️. That’s when I started thinking for myself and teaching others to do the same. 😎👍🏼

@@MirandaDetailing I like the analogy you used, makes a lot of sense! Appreciate the response and you definitely earned a subscriber! Have a blessed week!

Thanks so much! 😎👍🏼

Exactly! Well said! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge!

Agree sir...i am in Europe and we live Green star and Surfex hd..in general koch and BH products on much lower price s than USa

I use APC and foam on the top on really dirty car before contact wash. No rinse before APC and foran on top. Works very gooood! Kenneth, Norway🇳🇴

Some people have to use over 1:1 dilution to get 4% PIR. That's not very economical.

@@kalikalla43 Yikes! Not at all!!

You’re welcome.

Hi. I have a sample of the Surfex also that I will use soon. Thanks for sharing!

Hi. No worries. Our pressure washer is not very high pressure at all. About 1000psi. Even getting as close as we do it’s absolutely safe. The APC rinse we do is so effective it cleans extremely well. As far as the method you mentioned, that’s a great option, I’ve done that before. Pre rinsing or dry? Here’s what I have found. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ea1ylbylyarVmKs.htmlsi=xPMeFxbVvIqW4cTy

@@MirandaDetailing I see you dilute the APC 5 to 1. What brand & is it car specific or a general purpose like Simple Green?

I now dilute 1:10. It works just as well I usually use Super Clean or Extra Tough or recently Koch Chemie Multi Star 1:10.

Hi I don’t worry about singing out the foam cannon after every use. I try to mix up enough solution for 1 or 2 jobs then whatever I have left dump into the wheel or wash bucket and have extra foam. Then I rinse it out and start over again with a new soap. 😎👍🏼

I used to do that also. Thanks 😎👍🏼

Thanks! That’s awesome man! You will love it.

Thanks so much!! Welcome!

Hi thanks...I have tried Power clean, megs APC, Super Clean, Super Degreaser, Koch Chemie Green and Pol Star and at 1:4 they all have the same effectiveness for APC rinsing. It just comes down to personal choice and budget. 😎👍

@@MirandaDetailing 👍👊🏻

@@MirandaDetailing will super clean stain the paint aint 1 to 4 4 to 1

It will only stain if it dries completely.

@@MirandaDetailing what dilution u dilute superclean

Great tip! Thanks for sharing!

Thanks. The dulling may come from either single stage paint that can stain or a bad repaint job and the clear coat is already starting to fail or have issues. But who knows, some people either apply to much and wait to long to rinse it off.

Hi. Nope it doesn’t reduce the effectiveness at all. It’s safer to pre rinse in our opinion because if any APC drops down on dry paint it can leave drip marks. It’s not a huge deal becasue even if some APC stains paint it can polished out with ease. But we eliminate that risk all together by pre rinsing. Since we mix our APC rinse 1:4 it’s strong enough to work even with some water be on the paint already.

@@MirandaDetailing Thanks !!! Your explanation helps this senior enthusiast :)

I do have another video coming out soon where we used the BH AF in the ik foamer abour 1:4ish and it does work well on a nasty vehicle with mildew build up. But once again, having another product for pre washing isn't needed at all. Its nice and works and everything, but why spend money on that when our APC rinse method is fast and more cost effective? We counted all the costs and this is better for us and many others who have tried it. We have tried so many different APC's and soaps before and its all the same, so we choose the ones that are cost effective. No need to try everything people suggest to us. After many years we realize that it comes down to personal choice and technique.

@@MirandaDetailing that’s fair enough, as I’m in the UK I only pay £17 for 5 litres, the dilution can be an issue if you need the cleaning power and are looking at nearly a 50/50 mix. We also have another snow foam that matches it for cleaning power but at a lower dilution, only problem I find with that one is it doesn’t rinse too freely and you can find if in the door jambs etc. We also only pay £17 for 5 litres of Surfex HD which is a great APC, strong but with no caustic chemicals. If you get the chance of a freebie you should give it a try.

Cool. Yeah I did get a sample of the Surfex so I will be trying it out.

Hi. Yes I do. If the product doesn’t come with dilution ratio recommendations I usually start with 10:1 also and if I need a stronger solution 4:1.

Hi! You’re welcome. Yeah I don’t take any advice or use techniques that those guys use. Detail geek is a nice guy….but… it’s mostly a show.,,,Matt is…well…Matt. I follow guys like Alan From AM Details. His business model and detailing techniques are what I really strive after.

APC rinse ftw or sometimes I'll mix it in a foam cannon with soap to help it not dry up as fast while working in sun or heat. Also I agree with you, I don't watch any of those "useless" channels...more entertainment purpose than actual real world knowledge. If I'm watching entertainment and serious work it's NVN London or Topaz! I appreciate this channel too as it's very useful info!

Thanks for sharing man!! 😎👍🏼

@@MirandaDetailing what are your thoughts on using the APC pre soak in a foamer like the Marolex Axle vs chemical sprayer? I just bought one and some Extra Tough for the engine bay.

Oh yeah! That’s a great way to use it. We upgraded to an IK Pro 12foamer and use that for our pre wash now! You will see it in our more recent videos! We Love it!

Hi. Yes we have been using super clean for years. We dilute it 1:10 so it’s safe. Just use logic and don’t let it dry on the paint. If it ever stains it’s easily polished out. But I rarely rinse into that. If staining happening it usually means the paint has issues. It’s also better to use a foamer instead of just spraying it on. The foam clings and it doesn’t dry as fast.

@@MirandaDetailing thank you so much for the advice. You are a great person to have in the detailing community.

Hi. High ph is alkaline and not acidic. Low ph would acidic. However I don’t use apc rinsing for maintenance washing. It’s only for initial details. For ceramic coatings you don’t need that aggressive of a cleaner if you’re washing it regularly. Just a good shampoo will work fine.

Awesome! Correct. APC will weaken protection especially waxes and sealants. So we just let the shampoo handle the cleaning in those situations. 😎👍🏼

@@MirandaDetailing I kind of had that feeling but wanted to ask just in case! Definitely APC rinsing next time.!

Hi. What do you mean?

​@@MirandaDetailing the blooper 2:17

@Imjustherevibin ohhhhh…🤣😎👍🏼

I use Extra Tough too. I apply it several ways...1) Put the spray bottle nozzle on a fine mist. Saves product and also works great. 2) use a chemical pump sprayer from a garden department, put it on a fine mist and spray. 3) foam cannon or IK foamer. Extra Tough is super foamy and foams very nicely in IK foamer but honestly, the fine mist spray is my personal favorite method. Takes less time and uses less product with the same end result. The other great thing about Extra Tough is if it is hot and the product dries, it doesnt etch the clear coat or glass. Just re-wet it and rinse it off or simply reactivate it with water and continue cleaning. These are my experiences.

Hey Phil, The Extra Tough link needs to have the in front of the www.extratoughcleaners.com to make it turn blue and work. Great video!

Exactly! Great suggestions! I do prefer the pump misting bottles also. I find the foam using more product. 😎👍🏼

Hi So before we actually contact wash or touch the paint with any mitts or towels we do this pre-wash or APC rinse. We don't want to agitate anything until the APC has time to dwell and be rinsed off taking the majority of grit and grime away with it. Using the separate pump bottle does ensure exact ratios, while using the foam cannon it dilutes it more and its hard to get exact measures with it.

Hi. Nope. This type of strong apc rinsing is meant for initial details only. For maintenance details on protected vehicles I usually use either a ph neutral shampoo or a ceramic or wax infused shampoo.

Awesome!

Hi. I have a bunch of videos on that kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtJhaa573q-VpmQ.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8h0kpN_nLDTmYU.html Basically I let it dwell for 30-60 seconds and if n full sun just keep an eye on it so it doesn’t dry fully.

Well as we demonstrated in the video. We rinse first, apply the APC, wait about 30-60 seconds depending on how hot it is out and if we are in direct sunlight or not. Then rinse that off, that’s when you saw the traffic film and grime on the paint blasting away. Then foam and wash per usual.

Hi. I have use dish soap before and it does work also. Dish soap is also a very strong degreaser don’t be fooled just because it’s used on dishes both products degrease and clean very well. Even dish soap can be harsh on car plaids and rubber trim if used regularly. But it can be used as a pre wash if you want.

@@MirandaDetailing thanks for clearing it up. I just think its safer for beginners because from what i heard sofar if you make a mistake with apc it does more damage faster having it on too long or something. Im just trying to learn and believe in measure twice cut once so once i know what to do ill do it right first time 😁. Another thing can i add a cap of apc to a wash shampoo to give it extra power or can i cause a chemical reaction that could damage paint note everything is before contact wash

Hi. Yes that’s what we use a lot of the time as our APC rinse.

@@MirandaDetailing i hear u dilute your apc 1 to 4 is that 4 to 1

Yeah 1 part APC 4 parts water.

Hi. Thanks. Yes this process is for really nasty vehicles that need a fresh start. For maintenance details we don’t use an APC rinse. Just regular rinse and wash per usual.

Hi. That's awesome! So since Super Clean is a strong alkiline cleaner it will definitely weaken waxes and sealants. that's why we dont use the APC rinse on protected vehicles, only on initial details.

@@MirandaDetailing Well next week I am planning on starting the process of prepping this car and my wife's new VW ID4 for Adam's Advanced ceramic coating so I guess APC will work instead of a strip shampoo I was going to use (Chemical Guys Clean Slate). I guess I could use both to be very clean

Hi. Thanks! I havent persoanlly used Simple Green for detailing, but I assume it would be ok, dilute it 1:10 and never let it dry and you should be fine.

@@MirandaDetailing ty subbed!

Well the pre wash like this is not meant for maintenance details. It’s meant for initial details. I usually don’t use it on protected vehicles with waxes and sealants. I would use a dedicated pre wash that is on the ph neutral side. On coatings it’s fine if they we showing signs of clogging. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e6yRiqqmzq3Hj5c.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pd-BhcSqkpnGg6s.html Try this as a pre wash bit.ly/3nyrgKN It’s safer on waxes and sealants. But only use it if the vehicle is really dirty but does have a wax or sealant on it.

@@MirandaDetailing Thanks. The Koch chemie af you use it as a spray or snow foam? I`m thinking lately this method: you spray apc (neutral or highly dilluted) or onr, on top you snow foam (neutral foam) and than you wash. Now, you can rinse and wash or just wash with the apc and foam still on. What do you think?

You can do use it both ways. Depends on what you like. But yeah give that method a try and see how it works. 👍🏼👍🏼

Hi. So I think some people completely miss the point. This is for initial details not maintenance details. I explain that in all my other videos. Detailing is all about analyzing what needs to be done to each vehicle according to each service. The condition of the vehicle, the protection applied, the age of the vehicle….all these things the detailer must understand and decide how to proceed. Please watch all our other videos we explain in depth all these methods, procedures, and the reasons why we do what we do. 😎👍🏼

Hi I would certainly APC rinse really well, that will break down sealants and waxes. Also If its a concern to you, before polishing you can use a strong panel wipe or IPA before polishing. But honestly, I haven't found that sealants or waxes gum up my pads. I'm not sure why so many people believe that. I used to read that a lot on the detailing forums, but never found it to be true for me. I have never run into that issues ever. When compounding and polishing that action removes anything on the paint including dead paint and residue and a little amount of sealants or waxes that still may be hanging on. But I have never found it to make a difference with my compounding or polishing. I little extra residue is my pads is always blown out with I use air to clean the pad. So maybe that's the reason I don't notice it or it doesn't effect what we do, I am always blowing out the pads and keeping them clean as we polish.

@@MirandaDetailing thanks Phil!

Hi. Yeah its pretty much an APC so you can use it the same way.

Yup. We use Super Clean which is a basically a degreaser, diluted 1:4 or 1:10 it’s perfect.

@@MirandaDetailing thankyou for the reply! I love ur channel and how u explain the details , keep up the good work 💪🏻 the degreaser can be the engine bay degreaser too right? Because in my country products for car detailing are very limited , people dont really take care of the cars here.

Multi purpose cleaner for interior is basically the same as APC?

Hi. Yes we do. If diluted 1:10 it’s perfectly safe. As long as you don’t let anything dry on the glass or paint it’s fine.

Hi. This coating is the easiest one I have ever used. Very easy to apply and level out. It only lasts 6-12 months if properly maintained. bit.ly/3e1DL8S Use this to maintain it bit.ly/3wVjlqC

Hi. Do you mean what products should you use?

@@MirandaDetailing yes

Well I use Super Clean a lot for our pre wash like I mentioned in our videos. It’s dilute it 1:10 in a sprayer or foamer

Using an APC rinse like this for maintenance washing is not needed. It will weaken and break down waxes and sealants after a few times. 90% off our customers vehicles are nasty and need this amount of proper cleaning. That's why our details always start with this process. So if you are washing either your own vehicle or customers vehicles weekly or monthly there is no need to APC rinse, we would just rinse, foam and wash. 😎👍

@@MirandaDetailing ok yeah it's my personal vehicle. That's makes total sense thanks for the reply it cleared that up well. 👊👍

Sometimes I do use that dilution ratio. But sometimes I need it stronger. Both dilutions work.

Hi. I have found that actually the original Apc rinse that we do using just the spray pump bottle can be more effective on really nasty vehicles. The foam does linger longer, but it doesn’t always clean better. It really depends on many variables, and one can’t say for a certainty that one way is better. Each has their place.

Pre-rinse removes the initial heavy dirt from the paint so the pre-soak can soften the dirt that can’t be removed from rinsing alone. This is so the pre-soak doesn’t have to work through more crap than necessary making it less efficient.

Well sometimes the paint is way to hot and the APC will hit it and dry to fast. It’s best to rinse and cool the paint down then use APC rinse and so on. It’s about keeping the paint wet ao as not to have any issues.

@@MirandaDetailing right. Thanks

I have the same spray gun. What color nozzle do you use? What degree?

We go back and forth using the white or green ones.

Hi. Cool! True coatings are not effected by high and low ph cleaners that much. Usually if there is a build up of grime or traffic film on the coating a hood apc rinse will remove it and bring back the hydrophobics.

@@MirandaDetailing i used D101 at 10:1 and was perfect on my wife's dealership waxed car. Took the wax right off. Going to seal it up this weekend. Appreciate the videos and education. Keep up the great work and know that you are making a huge impact on all of us out here!

Awesome! Thank YOU!

Hi. So the APC rinse replaces the typical snow foam so you don’t need do that if you’re doing the APC rinse. Also we don’t have two buckets for washing. We foam and contact wash right after the APC rinse. We have tried it multiple ways and found our method is fast, safe, and efficient for us.

Yeah I mixed it the way detailers said to, Meh…our other apc rinse method is cheaper, faster, and all around better from our testings. But as I always say, if it works for you, great, keep using it! 😎👍🏼

Hi. Nope. Updated APC/Pre-Wash Method? #detailingtips #detailing kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtJhaa573q-VpmQ.html

Cool! I am loving the new MJJC foam cannon. It feels more sturdy and well built. The MTM versions are still great, but I love the features on this one.

Yeah sometimes that’s the case. The cool thing is the heat will help to make the cleaning action stronger on hot paint. As long as it’s kept wet it’s fine, we can work faster and still get great results.

@@MirandaDetailing awesome! Solid process!

You're Welcome, the customer doesn't care about the truck box and told us not to worry about it. but because it is a textured spray if they wanted us to clean it we would simply wash with a soft brush and thats it. most times we see covers and liners that are in work trucks and they can be cleaned more aggressively, apc, soft wheel brush and thats it. sometimes soft tonneau covers we wash with a seperate mitt or MF towel, dry, and apply 303 Aerospace on it.

That’s true. That’s why we only use APC rinsing on vehicles that haven’t been detailed in a while....which is 90% of our work. If used every single wash, your right, it could strip and dry out paint, rubber, etc. I think many Pope how we use the BH AF as a pre wash for dirty vehicles, that’s why so many have suggested it. Plus they watch tons of other Detailers use it on really nasty vehicles that have not been cleaned in some time. So that’s why I had to make the distinction and show the results. 😎👍🏼

Hi you’re welcome. Can you get super clean? If so we use that also. We always dilute them 1:4. You can use purple power the same way at 1:4.

@@MirandaDetailing thank you very much. CANT get super clean either, just purple power. So 1 to 4 as a pre rinse and i should be fine with the paint?

Yup. That will work. 😎👍🏼

Yeah I have. It also works. I went back to use the pump sprayer because it’s fast for us. One person rinsed while the other uses the APC.

It can be done either before the foaming and contact wash or after. I prefer after the wash that way the chemical doesn’t have to fight through grime before it can fight the iron particles if any.

Thanks for reaching out!!

Hi. I was told to use less BH in the foam cannon so I tried it this time to see if it made a differences using less. Last time I used the same foam cannon with a 1:1 ratio of BH on my personal car which wasn’t that dirty and well protected. If I had used the same 1:1 ratio on the dirty truck, maybe it would have cleaned better, but that wasn’t the point, I was told to use less this time on a dirty truck showing it would use less product and still work, which it didn’t for me. What do you mean by using my water hose foamer? I used the pressure washer and same foam cannon with BH each time, just changed the dilution ratio. I’m showing that using less of the BH product was covert effective for me. To use 1:1 again proves my point of use of way to much product. So here’s my dilemma, I have given in to what some of these people wanted me to do., instead of staying true to what I already know. Everyone is saying different things and wants to try it multiple ways, when I do someone is not happy with the results. So that’s why I teach people to make up their own minds and test the products for themselves instead of relying on someone else to do to. There are way to many variables to consider. I like to show people results for our methods that work for us. If they work for others great, but if they don’t it doesn’t mean that they or we are wrong, it’s just the variables that play a part in the results. I have another video we’re I use the BH once again on a nasty white vehicle using the IK foamer. It does work better this time at 1:10 in the IK foamer. Showing it was diluted to much from the foam cannon. However our APC rinse method was still just as effective and a cheaper route for us. I can’t be bias on a product that I am given a fair chance and giving in to what people here are telling me to do with it. If anything I’m not being fair to myself....I unfortunately gave into pressure from others pushing it in my face 😞. For that I’m sorry and I will no longer give into what people say about a product. The BH was sent to me by a fellow detailing here on KZfaq to try out not by the the BH company. I only show methods and results....the truth lies in the results. Thanks man trot listening. I hope it’s understood. I can’t give into what people say here anymore.

@@MirandaDetailing Phil your APC method (as hard as it is to swallow for my pride) is the best method I have seen when it comes to cleaning, and I bow down to the reality of that now. Thank you for persisting with another video to put it right in front of me, so I wouldn't miss it (I hope you are laughing with me when you read this) and in no way are you biased, in fact, it's just the opposite as you just proved again by letting the real-world results speak for themselves. And now I understand how you were trying to help us see that using so much of BH just to try and get the same results as the APC technique, is wasted money; APC is the way to go. I got that, even though I didn't write that above and I should have. But I didn't understand the constraints you were under. Mea Culpa, for everything, please. You are always trying to please your viewers and that is one of the special parts of your channel that I really admire. I obviously don't agree with the person who told you to use less product to get a better result, that just doesn't make sense to me, and thanks for showing that proof in the real world, that it doesn't make sense. There is no doubt about the APC's effectiveness after watching pass after pass from the pressure washer spraying the APC on the passenger side of the truck as it literally made white stripes after each and every pass! I AM NOW A BELIEVER AND YESTERDAY STARTED USING YOUR TECHNIQUE on a Tesla 85 that had just returned from Yellowstone National park. It almost looked as if was part of the forest. It worked wonderfully. Without your BH APC video that never would have happened. Oh, and I wasn't kidding, that white truck was the perfect vehicle for this test. Especially for me. Seeing is believing, regardless of how much grief I give you.

Thanks so much sir! I really appreciate this. It’s nice to hear back from others who have tried it and see the results for themselves! 😎👍🏼

That’s true depending on how strong the Bilt Hamber is mixed. I don’t rely on the the cleaners or soaps to strip any protection. I do that that when polishing anyway. But the APC will weaken and in some cases remove old protection that is on its way out.

@@MirandaDetailing ok cool, thanks for the speedy reply!

You’re welcome.

Hi. Yes that’s what we use all the time also. Super clean diluted 1:4. Just pre rinse the paint first and don’t let it dry.

@@MirandaDetailing super!!! Ty