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True! Lots of deals to be had

That's what I do. I usually buy a old flagship and I get a great experience compared to Apple. Another thing is that it seems Samsung phone tend to have more base storage first on comparable years. It took years for Apple to finally give iPhone a base storage of 128GB with the iPhone 13 in 2021 compared to Samsung which give the Note 9 128GB in 2018.

​@lukemiani Apple has no competition. Who else make phones with iOS. Apple doesn't have competitors that put out 90% flagship phones at mid-tier prices.

But in the US most people only ever consider iphone which means more demand. I don't know what that says for the US population as whole with the stigma against android phones but there you go.

Samsung is very predatory with this approach. Ridiculous retail prices and then ‘crazy’ deals to incite you into buying them

40?? 💀💀💀

And this is where the comparison in resale value fell short. The at launch price of the Samsung is inflated, which does make it look like it lost most of its resale value. Apple manage to keep its price more consistent and even last year models are not discounted much.

For me it’s the other way around. After a few months it’s very likely to get a new iPhone for 200 bucks less on Amazon! Last week I purchased an iPhone 13 Pro Max with 1 TB in graphite and new for 1.299 € after taxes. This is 530 € less than the original purchase price. The gold in 1 TB new was even only 1.199 €. So it’s a definite lie when someone says or writes „I never saw an iPhone on sale!“…you saw it, but lied or you didn’t want to see it! That’s a difference 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

Are these actual discounts, or carrier “deals” where the full value of the “discount” is actually only realized over 36 monthly credits? I bought an S20 Plus near launch, and paid close to MSRP, but it was from Samsung direct, unlocked.

that’s crazy and greedy

​@@Mikivli no, it is not.

As long as you buy outright, it doesn't actually matter that much whether you upgrade every 2-3 years or every 6-8, at least in the UK. Upgrading every year would almost certainly average to a greater loss, but after that the depreciation levels off to about £200 a year for iPhones on average about the same for Macs. Like Luke showed, more expensive Macs tend to depreciate faster, but the M1 MacBook Air has depreciated by only about £120 a year since it was released 3 years ago. Of course, upgrading more frequently does add the hassle of having to sell the old device, so if you're not trading it in (Apple do have some genuinely competitive trade-in prices currently) or if you don't already have a buyer lined up, it might not be worth it for you.

That's right. I upgrade every 4 years and my Old iPhones still work well, so I paid the fee to Apple to get the battery changed and gave that old model to my daughter.

Yep, that's my strategy as well. I wait for a good deal on the Apple device I want (iPad, iPhone, Mac, whatever) and then keep it for a long time. They're well made and durable and what's more, they maintain software support for a good long while too.

That’s a good point- lack of post-sale customisation might make MacBooks less desirable since they can’t be changed

So you buy what you need, pay the big markup for it, and run the device for longer@@lukemiani. I don't usually sell (very!) old Apple gear, but choose to gift it to other people. They can choose to use it or to sell it; it's no longer my property.

I thought most laptops follow Apple's design as well: not very upgradable. I haven't really look at the laptop market. The only device I know off the top of my head is that the new Microsoft Pro devices have a easy to access slot that allows users usually upgrade their ssd if they wanted.

@@peterparker2068 there is the framework laptop, which you can upgrade everything on including the screen. They have the best resale value of any laptop at the moment.

​@@CandyMan2001yeah but the cameras are awful along with performance

@@The_MEMEphis I got an S24 and find nothing wrong with its performance or the camera. Yet I'm not a camera snob either, the quality is good enough for me. If anything, it's nicer than my S22, and I only upgraded because My S22 had the robotic speaker issue randomly on calls.

@@hyosunsso I wasn't talking about the s24 the original comment I was responding to got deleted I got an s24 ultra just last month

@The_MEMEphis i see 😂 I dont agree with the only 3 years of software update or what cause my husband has my old S20 and it's still updating

@@hyosunsso those are just security updates the s20 has been officially dropped not getting the android 14 one ui 6 update

It's the same concept with a lot of things that are customized. The more you customize something the narrower the set of buyers you filter out . Not everyone wants or needs 64GB of RAM. For most people it won't make a difference, people are only willing to pay for things they get value out of. That's why Apple can get away with having Macbooks with the base configuration of 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage and still have them sell well.

If you buy on pre sale an s24 ultra using trade in and studeng discount you pay 400 dollars.Why would I buy used?

To be clear, when you get a good unit they are very good, but I feel like most consumers and workers don't want to play that back and forth so they get Apple unless they need to work in Windows environment.

That XPS that Luke showed was also the 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD model. That was a $4K machine 4 years ago. That thing has depreciated A LOT. And, added bonus, tends to have a decent dGPU installed so you can play games without having to use something like CrossOver or a GPTK hack.

@@kimeraevent Yes, you nailed it. When purchasing even Apple computers and phones, often times certain options will be more what people want and you can lose a lot of money reselling a high specced device! Those XPS when specced out are EXPENSE (Apple RAM/Storage prices also make me cry).

Its weird cause the XPS has terrible build quality. I cant imagine a 4 year old xps not being beat up after daily use.

​@@sshreddderr9409xps literally have some of the best build quality in the laptop market

Sure, but then you have to ask yourself why the Android phones are depreciating that much. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's a reason for everything.

@ilovedagreenday Yeah I personally think that group dynamics and this idiotic "green bubble blue bubble" thing in the US might be part of the reason. Something retains value if there's a collective believe in the value held by enough individuals. That's also the reason tulips had a stellar resell value at one point in time 😂 The only really valid and tangible point is the update support from apple which is far superior than anything android can offer (Xiaomi is among the worst offenders here) That being said, I personally can't really understand why I phones are so popular. As someone who uses both systems regularly I have to admit that IOS really kneecaps me because there's no clipboard manager by default (that's easily fixed tho) , multitasking feels like an afterthought, the text autocomplete is worse, there is no consistent back button at the bottom of the screen (or at least an equivalent gesture), and android feels much more intuitive in general. (accessing the app drawer is just a swipe up and it also gives me the search field and I can place my stuff where I want even in a 5*5 grid I'm preferring) Also sound controls suck on IOS since they aren't seperate sliders for alarms, media and calls and you have to go to the settings menu for that. Seriously Apple, WTF, the whole system feels like a fisher price construct made for toddlers from toddlers... I have the feeling that many of the IOS fanboys never tried a modern android revision. Oh and these points are just the easy and superficial ones, if I had to daily an IOS device I would miss so much more like sideloading APKs (NewPipe is a great one btw), alternative app stores like the fdroid store, terminal emulators, VNC servers, VNC viewers, ADB access to sideload own projects, emulators, custom roms, different themes and launchers. etc. pp. Yes there are also advantages of IOS, it uses hardware resources more efficiently, it looks prettier by default (the design language is more consistent) and the system runs a bit more reliable (meaning that microstutters and lags are very rare) But the gains aren't worth the tradeoffs to me.

​@@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286 exactly my thoughts!I also would like to add software support on the most reputable android brands is now of 7 years which matches or is more years than Apple supports.So the depreciation factor will be less severe from now on on Samsung phones per example

Underrated asf 🤣🤣

Google and Samsung have 7years of updates, and where I live, Samsung retains better value than Apple, but Google is about the same as Apple. Interesting to see how it is elsewhere.

⁠​⁠@@vidpetrovic8907only the pixel 8 lineup will have 7 years of software updates, the rest will have 5. samsung has 4 years of software updates but the s24 will have 7*

@@vidpetrovic8907on what planet? 😅

@@sabni8668 last time I checked we were all on Earth. Mby something changed that I'm not avare of ?

Interesting to watch this space. I got a Pixel 8 over the iPhone 15 base model (128GB) because it was like 31% cheaper. The Zenfone 10 was pretty much great except the lackluster camera (something I use my phone a lot for) and slow software updates/patches. The Fairphone 5 was expensive and having to workaround things was kinda annoying.

Building brand loyalty takes time, and Apple has mastered it. Since their debut, they've solidified their image as a premium brand. Android, on the other hand, has faced identity challenges. Early on, inconsistencies in software updates, hardware quality across brands, and short support cycles hampered its reputation. Thankfully, things are changing! Lately, many Android makers are committing to longer software support, a welcome shift from the previous standard of just 2-3 years, especially for budget models. It's true that having dozens of Android models can be overwhelming. A bad experience with one phone (let's call it a lemon, not the whole orchard!) can unfairly color someone's view of the entire platform. This is where we, the tech-savvy individuals, come in! By sharing our knowledge and highlighting the diverse Android landscape, we can help others navigate the options and find the perfect phone for their needs.

Not to mention the Apple ecosystem has features that straight up just do not exist on Android/Windows PC. Copy and paste between devices? Not a thing on Android. Say I'm on Zoom and I want to use my phone as a camera, I just throw it onto the little holder and it automatically becomes the camera. Not a thing on Android. Maybe I get a Facetime or Phone call and I want to pick it up on my Mac? Again ... only the Apple Ecosystem does that. And not to mention Safari's superior syncing between devices in addition to Private Relay, iCloud Hide My Email, and other security advantages that Apple Devices have ... again, Apple is the winner. So many people think these features are "the walls of the walled garden getting higher" which I think is purposely misleading to make it sound bad. These are features ONLY Apple has. It's not a walled garden's walls getting higher, it's a walled garden that keeps adding beautiful flowers that are only available in the garden, because they require tight integration. None of the slop and bloatware associated with Windows and Android (not even to mention the ad tracking OPTION for Apple devices!)

@@FreeCpRareAccounts1bullshit! I used copy and paste between devices on my Samsung and windows PC TODAY! And switching calls between devices exists. Most of those features exist except using your phone as a webcam. This is the problem Android users are aware of what features exist for Apple but some users just exist in their bubble and don’t bother to look at anything else. It’s a weird cult tbh.

Not to mention that premium android phones are just as expensive as iPhones. Sure, Apple may not produce any true “budget” phones, but on the high end it’s all expensive

they brick them after a certain update too.

@@FreeCpRareAccounts1 sorry it seems you been out of the loop, Samsung phone, tablets, laptop earbuds, watch etc do all the things you've mentioned and way more. Google phone, chrome book, tablet, earbuds do it too. Most Android phone have seemless connectivity with Windows laptops using windows phone link and near by share. The advantage is they all talk to each other. No limitations.

I agree. The market determines the prices of products. Since the Pros are niche products, seller end up having to reduce the cost in order to entice buyers. There's no way to charge more for something if people don't value it. Even if the Pro is a better machine if the buyers don't see the value of paying an increase price over an Air then the buyer might as well save money and buy the cheaper Air.

gaming laptops have about the worst resell value possible cause its a nieche market and the specs are outdated quickly.

In those days, Samsung was always notorious for slowing down after a few years with their software that they put on top of Android. Not all Android's are the same. And popular brands are not always the best brands.

its still very good value. to me there is virtually zero difference between a used M1 vs a new M3. nobody needs the difference in power, and no laptop for the same price compares in performance to a used M1. I use linux on a used 2 year old upgradable Thinkpad I bought for 400 bucks which is the most financially responsible choice for laptops if you do not need more performance, but the CPU obviously doesnt compare to the M1 and it doesnt have the nice look and nice screen of the mac. I would have the M1 if I could run linux properly on it, and then I would not care about apple not supporting it in the future, and would just use the device until it breaks down.

Yeah, I think samsung offered the z flip 4, and 5 to previous flip owners for only $100 with trade in (down from $1000). And I don't even think it was a carrier deal, so no nonsense

Yeah the base model advice was always wise, but today idk how I would even stand it given the joke base Mac specs of 8GB/256GB or whatever. I used to just upgrade the computer straight out of the box 😢 Now the Mac also really strongly forces users to store everything on the boot drive, and only advanced users can even figure out how to like, move their photo library or iMovie projects to an external. At least pro iPhone base specs aren’t as miserly as the Mac ones are.

@@dgpsf Ya it's a real problem. I tend to try to upgrade the minimum amounts I can. This last time I did 1TB and 32gb of RAM. Would have far preferred 2-4tb of storage though.

Exaaaaaaaaaaaactlyyyyy!!!!Like at this point I still don't understand why Apple youtubers keep looking for reasons why the Apple products are better when in reality they've never been weaker

@@JoelMiller2609 yeah, if I want to upgrade my S22 Ultra to S24 Ultra, I will got £450 off and it does not include Trade in discount. With £370 trade in I will pay £750 for a £1549 phone. You will get a free Watch worth £300, Free Case £45 and Free Screen Protector, 12 months free Disney + subscription £80 and £25 app voucher. No amount of IPhone resell value will be better than this. The folks in US get even better deals. . Google does almost the same thing.

I have a 2010 15" MBP, which has only just died (screen won't come on) its probably worth nothing now (except for spares or repair), but thats been nearly 14 years of great service, compared to the numerous "windows" laptops I've been through in that time with work

@@davidhoward6677 True. Your experience is the same reason why I keep buying MacBooks. I get many years of use with no issues. The only reason I sold my 2014 MBP was because I got a good deal on a 2022 MBP M2. I had prepared my 2014 for many more years of use. I had replaced the battery, cleaned the fans, and put new thermal paste on the processor. My coworker has no issues after his year of use.

I see an bias towards samsung. Are you an Apple hater? So what? Apple products are better, it has 3 times the value. And stop being poor, because polished, best in class devices will not be cheap. Just buy an iphone and be happy!