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@Epsi1ong 9 ай бұрын

So from what we know about the Optimum cinematic universe he is Optimum Tech, Optimum Plays, Optimum Lifts, and Optimum Car Mods. This man can really do everything

@AryaStarky 9 ай бұрын

I wanna marry him

@LuisGustavoCP 9 ай бұрын

Optimus prime is the next one

@RdTrpBrgr 9 ай бұрын

@@LuisGustavoCP*Optimum Prime

@rudiruessel9816 9 ай бұрын

@@AryaStarkyNo I want😮

@juzzytin86 9 ай бұрын

And he has the face

@zantardis 7 ай бұрын

A pre-built PC building company could make this their main feature as a concept and really take off. Great idea.

@P1ayCrackThe5ky 7 ай бұрын

Ducts to vented case panels has been a thing for decades. This isn't a new concept by any means.

@zantardis 7 ай бұрын

@@P1ayCrackThe5ky Doesn't matter, an idea doesn't have to be brand new to be a system seller. It just needs to be marketed well.

@P1ayCrackThe5ky 7 ай бұрын

@@zantardis I stated a fact and you are arguing with yourself. You said great idea...it's not his idea or original. It also isn't going to take off. Good luck being delusional and naive...or get out of the basement and go outside. "I fixed PC cooling"...no, you didn't.

@zantardis 7 ай бұрын

@@P1ayCrackThe5ky It sounded like you were trying to dismiss the idea as dumb with your first comment. If that wasn't the case I'm sorry for mis-interpreting you. I also didn't feel I was being abrasive with my previous comment, but if you read it as so it wasn't mean't with disrespect.

@BeX32210 7 ай бұрын

@@zantardis These things are pretty much standard in professional workstations and servers for - well - decades. There ist literally no point in marketing this stuff as "feature".

@kvernesdotten 7 ай бұрын

There has been some stuff like this tried in the past commercially, but it never really succeeded. This is a super complex topic though, not only because fluid dynamics is a masters degree on its own, but you also have to account for all the other parts of the computer that needs some cooling, an almost infinite amount of hardware configurations, the fact that cooling with air is not the same as pushing air into a turbo for fuel, that there is another medium that actually transfers the heat between the source and the air you are moving, fire hazards, material science, the fact that people really like to see their components, convection etc etc. I have seen shrouds like this in the past (dont remember what company) but I like to think there is a reason why they never really took off and that the go-to solution for custom heat exchange is water cooling. But at least it goes to show that theres potential!

@fubar12345 4 ай бұрын

Well put, should be upvoted more. I had a case in 2003 that had air flow ducting, I ended up removing it when I upgraded to a larger CPU cooler. As you noted, many parts - capacitors, memory modules etc. are intended to be cooled by the general air flow throughout the case.

@LutraLovegood 3 ай бұрын

This was pretty common in the commercial space. For consumers though it's too expensive outside of prebuilts, there are too many possible configurations for anything but the simplest designs, and at that point you can do it yourself if you care that much about airflow.

@8654ZuluFoxtrot 3 ай бұрын

I'm starting a new build and doing research on cooling. This was interesting but I doubt will work for the reasons you stated. I was going to post something similar, then saw your post. Well said!

@Havok412 3 ай бұрын

@@8654ZuluFoxtrot Honestly keep at it! In general the whole case's internals should be designed to allow for better airflow. Most cases are too boxy where the air will bounce around and cause turbulence. Also there's tones of gaps throughout most cases to allow different sized hardware to be mounted and things like the I/O slots in the back and if you don't have some positive pressure it will just suck in air and dust that further mess with the whole thing. PC case should look alien like on the inside if airflow is a top concern

@brkbtjunkie 2 ай бұрын

The powermac g5 was very successful. They cooled 2 physical processors in the tower this way.

@TheAdminFromHell 6 ай бұрын

If anyone makes this, make sure you still have airflow over the motherboard, you can run into a lot of weird system glitches if you get hotspots on your motherboard! The 2003 Mac G5, HP Z400 from 2009, Z420 from 2013/2014 all had airflow guides. (and probably every Workstation released since)

@tobireindl 6 ай бұрын

Same as I thought. RAM slots and SSD drives need some "fresh air" too, so I guess you heat up the other stuff with this solution.

@kajim8172 6 ай бұрын

yup

@PBST_RAIDZ 6 ай бұрын

Yeah plus its an nzxt case which are normally look pretty over perform well, I could see the working better with other cases though.

@triliner254 6 ай бұрын

There are 2 system fans which are not connected to the ducts. So interior temp should be fine.

@LordCohliani 6 ай бұрын

Not every fan was ducted so I think that's the point.

@thenozar7603 9 ай бұрын

As a mech engineer who's worked with Fusion360 heaps and on the uni racing team, this video couldn't have ticked more geek tickboxes. Love the car brag, certainly earned the rights

@iamChermac 9 ай бұрын

This is definitely mech eng eye candy. I did my first degree 20+ years ago, so this video made me especially smile at how far accessibility of 3D modelling and rapid prototyping has come.

@bocahdongo7769 9 ай бұрын

It's a painted love to design those thing to really nail the goddamn dimension and tolerance with almost zero trial. The skill I'm still struggle with until this day

@fletcherenfield9474 8 ай бұрын

Just a tip if you ever decide to revisit this or if anyone else tries this, look into using the "sweep" function as well. It lets you "sweep" a curve you've made along a path you've defined. That lets you make complex ducts with gradual curves more easily, and gradual curves are good for airflow.

@ckngmad1357 7 ай бұрын

U mean like the inner side barrel gun? Create spinning tornado airflow?

@Yarsig 7 ай бұрын

@@ckngmad1357 No. If you take a look at the finished product, 10:27, there's a lot of acute angles, and thus, sharp curves. This can disrupt airflow because the air will run into the angled surface much like a physical object and bounce off, creating turbulence and disrupting the flow of the air coming in behind it. When you have a gradual curve, (like a bell curve from a graph) air will travel much more smoothly, and 'slide' along the curve, rather than 'bounce' off an angle. Think of it like driving. If you take a sharp corner going 50, you'll smash into the guard rail. If you take a gradual curve going 50, you'll stay on the road without having to slowdown much, if at all. What you're saying is rifling, and I think that would actually harm airflow, rather than aid it. Rifling is useful for creating a stabilizing spiral on an object be ejected, (and yes, air) but the only real benefit would be if you're trying to aim the air at a distant target.

@WolfgangAmadeus117 7 ай бұрын

That is not what he meant @@ckngmad1357

@TheAliceQuo 7 ай бұрын

@@ckngmad1357 no, like a waterslide. his current design has angles which means the air will hit the walls and bounce off and cause turbulence. With curves instead it will create a laminar flow and increase the airflow significantly.

@AntJets82 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this

@xxitz_pr0gxx631 3 ай бұрын

I saw someone else cover this in s YT short a few days ago. I liked the video, and I'm glad the algorithm blessed me with your long form video over this build!

@peter_parkour 6 ай бұрын

Been a while since I watched your videos, man. I gotta say you have significantly improved. This has been informative, clearly explained, and to the point. Stay humble and cool. I think you may be one of the best tech channels around right now.

@anofrommedog 9 ай бұрын

Such a massive improvement in CPU and GPU temps, would love to see some data posted on how the VRMs/RAM/other components are doing.

@Chickenkeeper 9 ай бұрын

This, particularly M.2 SSDs too. And if there are rises in the temps of the other components is there a healthy middle ground that can be reached where everything either benefits or doesn't noticably change?

@Rave.- 9 ай бұрын

Burning. They are burning.

@brunogm 9 ай бұрын

Will try this without ducts to see if at least mobo components and CPU lower

@kwinzman 9 ай бұрын

7:36

@halomunkey 9 ай бұрын

@@kwinzman that graph is still from the 4090 actually (VRAM)

@Cam-i 9 ай бұрын

Man this guy is dedicated to everything he does and I’m all for it

@Cam-i 8 ай бұрын

@@phoenix1453 I'm confused by your question. I just love his videos.

@IvanNedostal 2 ай бұрын

He can cool cpu to sub ambient temp if he printed adapter which allows 16 fans to blow in parallel to that radiator. But he does only one fan as lenovo, dell and other premade pc manufacturers do it. So he is true original. ( sarcasm, last part )

@zachwright1819 2 ай бұрын

This is absolutely killer man.. I think this is a huge deal. Such an accessible idea, but its a proof of concept that payed off so well that it's impossible to ignore. The accessibility of this compared to water cooling solutions is night and day. Anybody with access to a 3D printer (even at their local library), a set of calipers, adn the willingness to spend a couple hours learning to model everything can take advantage of this and really push their hardware. I will be looking into doing this for my PC. The optimization opportunities are unreal with a 10 degree variance. Even just pushing it back up to the same temps afterwards would be some crazy performance upgrades. Good shit man

@ian.williamson 5 ай бұрын

The only thing I’m curious about is potential turbulence caused by the walls of the ducts having those edges due to the layers of the 3d print material. If you could print them in a different orientation so that the material is laid down longways going in the direction of the duct, that would tremendously increase air velocity and overall CFM and efficiency. Alternatively, you could line the ducts with a smoother material, or somehow construct them completely of metal.

@MeMyself-gf7fn 4 ай бұрын

5 minutes and a piece of light grit sand paper sloves that problem.

@kfiz9502 3 ай бұрын

Minimal effect. The layers would have to be much more coarse to have a significant impact.

@zramsey11 14 күн бұрын

In addition to what the others are saying here, speaking from experience, even the bambu p1s has incredibly smooth walls. I imagine the x1 is like butter. The turbulence is negligible; though, making the path more curved would improve any turbulence still present.

@RobertIsaac 9 ай бұрын

I started doing this with cardboard and masking tape back in 1998. I spent more than a decade having people mock the low-key mods, but I also achieved some pretty epic overclocks. As you've identified in many videos before thhere are really only a couple of parts that are properly temperature-sensitive; the rest just need to be 'cool enough'. You've really added a great engineered look for the first time that I've seen. It's the same outcome as cardboard and tape, but the result is something I'd be happy to show off in a case modding context. The one lesson I learned the hard way was to not take incidental airflow away from the MOSFETs on the motherboard. Keep an eye on those temps for reliability, SSD and RAM aren't as big a drama that way. Looks like the airflow pattern from the top rear intake fan is probably doing an ideal job of keeping the key motherboard and RAM parts cool in this instance though.

@mine5066 9 ай бұрын

Same. Recently modded my 10 year old PC with cardboard and OCed the CPU from 2.9 to 3.7 GHz. Cardboard (shoe cartons) and some tape are a really easy way to do this.

@Slay_No_More 9 ай бұрын

I never modded my PC with cardboard but I admire the idea.

@zaidlacksalastname4905 9 ай бұрын

@@Slay_No_Moresame

@fabianmuhlberger6153 9 ай бұрын

Those memories, it was a great time on overclockers

@DEJ915 9 ай бұрын

I used posterboard when I did mine, thinner so easier to fit in the right places.

@shoppster300 9 ай бұрын

This is actually awesome. I'm a 3D modeller/designer in the manufacturing industry and there are several ways to use the loft and shell commands to optimise your current design. Airflow clings to edges and 3D printing ridges and those straight lines would be causing some turbulence, decreasing the overall efficiency. I would be rounding everything possible to lessen this. However, you are 90% there and I'm definitely going to use this design methodology on my next build. I also have the advantage of 3D rendering skills so I can design this and also test how it will look before printing. Thanks for this idea!

@arnoutdecock476 9 ай бұрын

I was thinking about the turbulence as well. Although it look nice to have straight ducts going through the case, they will not be the most effecient towards air flow. Also, fdm might not be the way to go to make the most productive parts.

@benjaminoechsli1941 9 ай бұрын

I love when a community shares what it knows to fill in the gaps in individuals' expertise. If you do fine-tune the project, please let us know how it comes out!

@s.a.f.7191 9 ай бұрын

I def want to try this, but my 3d printer is too tiny. Question though. I thought the same with curving the parts, but with such a short distance would the riges really cause that much of a difference?

@esoel 9 ай бұрын

Please share your designs if you do! It would be great to see that!

@char_noir 9 ай бұрын

@@arnoutdecock476 you can increase wall thickness and provide some kind of smooth transition for airflow inside, keeping oustide edgy

@Pluuton 2 ай бұрын

Jeez good work! I am early into studying fluid mechanics which I am really interested in, and I can tell you, fluid mechanics but mostly dynamics is said to be the most difficult physics to simulate and understand. Just that you made this work and this well, even though there definitely are things that can be improved, is a super cool thing. Like the fact that you use the simple fact of just flipping the fans, so unconventional and smart. Again great work!

@Ali-hh6lo 9 ай бұрын

Another benefit is dust reduction from mixed airflow. This way dust protection would be much better and easy to clean up. Great video great content ! 👍🏻

@leonardiyapp 8 ай бұрын

Yupppp

@RUHappyATM 8 ай бұрын

Wonder why the pre-built PC companies (like Dell/Alienware) aren't really doing this.

@Zero-wt7xf 8 ай бұрын

They do@@RUHappyATM

@RUHappyATM 8 ай бұрын

@@Zero-wt7xf Only partially. I do remember the Dell Precision had a chimney/hood from the CPU heat sink to the rear...many years ago.

@Zero-wt7xf 8 ай бұрын

HP did it for years, even more on the workstations. Open those up and you couldn't see one component until you removed all the ducting.@@RUHappyATM

@rototype786 9 ай бұрын

Server hardware has been doing this for years and its good to see it finally implemented into desktops. I have seen some older dells and HPs that have intake ducts, but I think this is the first time I've seen a full intake/exhaust setup. Good job my guy! Well Done!

@davidbischi 9 ай бұрын

seen it on plenty of OEM towers in computer labs while serviceing them. kind of a pain most often to take them out tho 😅

@Kasapin5033 9 ай бұрын

Never Dells and HPs, as well as Lenovo workstations are still doing it. They achieve some impressive numbers with pretty small fans. Quiet too!

@ryudeshi 9 ай бұрын

@@davidbischi yeah this is nothing new, every workstation in my school district has ducted airflow. My old Pentium 4 Dell tower when I was a kid also had a duct for the CPU cooler to channel cool air in and exhaust out the back.

@Vanadium 9 ай бұрын

Haha I want to see the RAM and the m2 data for how good they can really work before performance tanks.

@pianniello 9 ай бұрын

i was coming here to say the same - its an economies of scale thing for sure - if HP or Dell designs a server or desktop they plan on selling 900,000 units of, intake ducts are worth designing and paying for, but doing it on a full custom def is super cool. given that PCIe slots, etc are spacially designated by form factors like ATX, ITX, mATX etc. itd be interesting if case manufacturers were to do a bundle deal with cooler, ducts and case. doubt itll happen with how cheap AIOs are these days but still a neat idea.

@HowLongDoesItTake4Dads2BuyMilk 6 ай бұрын

These ducts were common in 2000-ish desktops like pentium 2/3s. They sat on the mobo and one fan cooled everything. Later side panel mounted tunnels on towers were the stuff. And LPT controlled LEDs. And old PCI cards with scraped off components and drilled hole as a mount for a small fan under the passively cooled GPU.

@aarondustinestrada8103 5 ай бұрын

Yo!

@HowLongDoesItTake4Dads2BuyMilk 5 ай бұрын

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@MikeHoopes 12 күн бұрын

Check out any Dell PC over the last 20+ years. All of the Dimension and up models have had fairly extensive ducting, and very competent mech engineering, with great attention to detail. They put the DIY case manufacturers to shame, albeit in platforms that absolute defy DIY mods and user upgrades (thus, why I’m still DIYing). I’m speaking from experience; I’m a 30 yr design engineer veteran generalist that uses Creo/Solidworks/Altium on the regular.

@nathanrichardson2524 4 ай бұрын

I'm loving these more engineering focused projects! Keep up the good work

@wani2000 9 ай бұрын

This has to be one of the absolutely best aesthetically looking tech videos of all time. Content value is also sky high as this was an awesome and impressive video to say the least! Well done Optimal Tech, keep this up and you'll be nr1 in no time!

@RomanShein1978 9 ай бұрын

Aesthetically, maybe, but in technical terms it is not the best idea. The airflow is needed for RAM, VRM, chipset, and add-in cards.

@DonOfAnn 9 ай бұрын

dude really said optimal tech when the name is right under the video 🤦‍♂

@wani2000 9 ай бұрын

Who's got time to read properly these days. I also commented on my phone so it was probably autocorrected@@DonOfAnn

@Y2Kvids 9 ай бұрын

Aesthetic wise , that British guy makes the best .

@dfgdfg_ 9 ай бұрын

@@Y2KvidsDIY Perks?

@raynjpg 7 ай бұрын

It used to be more common in older desktop PCs to have a dedicated airflow path for the CPU. My mom's old Windows Vista era PC has a scoop from one of the vents that shoots directly into the CPU fan.

@user-sg1mh6mx9l 5 ай бұрын

Everything is new, well forgotten old. I hope I translated the old Russian proverb correctly into English.

@McGreenBean 4 ай бұрын

i think it was common on older dell pcs at least i can remember dell using it alot in the early 2000s

@raynjpg 4 ай бұрын

@@McGreenBean my mom's was an e-machine. pretty sure the company is defunct now.

@xExekut3x 4 ай бұрын

bought an old dell optiplex off ebay that was like this. thought it was pretty interesting. and now seeing this, i'm wondering why this isn't more of a thing.

@raynjpg 4 ай бұрын

@@xExekut3x one possibility is visual aesthetics. nothing pretty about a fat air duct shooting from the side panel to the CPU. a more likely explanation is diminishing returns. cooling solutions in computers have come very far from cheap fans and shitty heat syncs. these system integrators probably see solutions such as the aforementioned air duct as a waste of development time and money, being that they can get plenty capable cooling out of any regular CPU cooler off the market.

@ARL74 6 ай бұрын

On the issue with the CPU temp that was resolved by reversing an upper fan. I wonder if the intake fan for the CPU cooling was drawing in hot exhaust air from the other upper (exhaust) fan next to it. Making the both upper fans intakes would certainly have resolved that issue. Great to see someone putting some acutal thought into cooling issues. Enjoyed this video, very nicely done.

@PFGtea 4 ай бұрын

Your channel is SERIOUSLY underrated... Love your content!

@adriansolis5362 9 ай бұрын

Man, this channel never ceases to amaze. Just pure curiosity, talent, engineering, and application (with excellent video production as a bonus).

@Daeronicus 9 ай бұрын

I remember back in the 90s you could see PC cases with direct airflow designs all over the place. They were pretty awesome but very limited on what hardware you could use.

@CASyHD. 9 ай бұрын

Still on Modern Systems. Just upgraded the pc from my girlfriend which had that.

@MartinKrol 9 ай бұрын

Hp used to do this in their workstations. Not sure if they still do it or not. But it was a common thing on mid/ high end workstations. Hp z800 comes to mind

@aker2KK 9 ай бұрын

Dell had is air shrouds as well.. even some generics cases had them in the Prescott era

@kael13 9 ай бұрын

@@aker2KK Yup.. This is nothing new in the slightest. Mac Pros have them, too. I guess it could be deemed novel because you 3D print to fit your own parts.

@chris_kazuki 9 ай бұрын

I think dell still does it in some of of there pcs

@berendhordijk2433 5 ай бұрын

System integrators like Dell and HP use airflow ducts, mostly in workstations and servers.. Back in the day I hand crafted something similar from plastic sheets and tape for my core2quad, though 3d printing is definitely cleaner and more precise! Good job on verifying results and adjusting for better gains!

@RipPhillips Ай бұрын

This is awesome. I had this thought watching tech tips the other day and wondering if I could build an intake to a fan in my case. I bet a case could be designed around this concept.

@BenyaminLorit 9 ай бұрын

Tunneling like this is one of those things/concepts that I'm sure a lot of us PC enthusiasts have at least briefly imagined in passing and dismissed. Seeing someone actually do it and make it come to life is kinda magical. 😄

@ThePlacehole 9 ай бұрын

It used to be a common thing

@jackson9415 9 ай бұрын

@@ThePlacehole yeah the older MacPros had it

@manup1931 9 ай бұрын

It was pretty normal in prebuilds. But there were also cardboard mods for your GPU and stuff.

@maciejbogusaw7274 9 ай бұрын

i actually saw something simmiliar in dell workstations

@babs_III 9 ай бұрын

@@jackson9415 the new ones have it too, in fact, most high end workstations and many mass-produced prebuilts have it. It seems it's more a factor of justifying the injection molding costs that limit its use rather than creativity, and in many circumstances it's not worth the added cost.

@TheBlackBeltPanda 9 ай бұрын

I used to see ducts like this when working on PCs "back in the day", often times from the CPU cooler to a fan mounted on the side panel. Feels like we're coming full circle here XD

@joseph_p 9 ай бұрын

Yea, a lot of hp and dells were like that. It makes sense to do stuff like that when mass producing computers. Makes less sense when all the components are custom.

@Awen24 9 ай бұрын

This was my thinking too. I had a blue UV reactive shroud for my Athlon XP back in the day!

@virtuallyreal 9 ай бұрын

When you have pre determined hardware it makes sense, even now oem will have some shrouding. You don't necessarily even need 3d printer, cad ( cardboard aided design ) will function just the same, when happy, with results, fiber glass it.

@wnxdafriz 9 ай бұрын

it was common on the pentium slot card cpu's of the 90's (pretty sure pentium II's).. had a number of them which were more or less my payment when my friends and I used to help the local chapter eagle scouts the guys in charge of the group asked for people to donate their old pc's and we would go through and make the best possible builds out of what was available for people to buy (generally first pc's for grandparents in 2000-2003 time)

@javiernlt 9 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly, old pc's had those ducts: hp, dell and other manufactures.

@danlazaro1676 2 ай бұрын

as much as i loved looking at your air intake and hearing the blow off valve, your fan ducts are by far the coolest thing I've seen in while! now I'm trying to think of custom parts for my PC to make it unique and functional.

@Algorythmfpv 6 ай бұрын

I love how you were able to leave a front fan and a top fan working as regular case circulation, and keep the positive pressure in the case outside of the shrouds. Keeping the ambient temp in the case in between the hardware nice and cool

@okctrl 4 ай бұрын

yeah everyone missed this.

@creaky2436 3 ай бұрын

This is great! I really like the 3d printing idea. Even for custom watercooling loop builds, if you wanna go stealth. You could cover it up with a clean look.

@mythicul 9 ай бұрын

The production quality... it's just amazing

@hagen9027 9 ай бұрын

it always is

@mythicul 9 ай бұрын

@@hagen9027 of course, it gets me every time

@patrickwalker6698 9 ай бұрын

he's been this way for years. Its why I'm subscribed despite not watching everything.

@bmwofboganville456 9 ай бұрын

Because he edits on a Mac - it has that professional look.

@jlcgn 9 ай бұрын

@@bmwofboganville456😂😂😂

@socialistape629 9 ай бұрын

Using paper or rubber gaskets might improve even more the performance ! This video was insanely good, bravo.

@RegazozoGaming 9 ай бұрын

He could test with some tape before going through all that trouble.

@simonvutov7575 9 ай бұрын

Just 3d print the case at this point mate

@mauree1618 9 ай бұрын

now that you mention it. @@simonvutov7575 🤔

@evil_rotary7 7 ай бұрын

Seeing these optimized flow ducts is really satisfying!

@friendlysurveillancecamera6507 4 ай бұрын

I had the same idea as you. Today, I'm shopping for a CPU cooling fan, and I've been thinking that to maximize the cooling airflow, it would be better for the fan to go through a smaller opening. It's just a theory I had, and then I stumbled upon your video. It was really great! This concept reminds me of the Venturi effect, where air passing through a smaller opening creates a more focused and cooler airflow, similar to blowing air through pursed lips instead of an open mouth. Thank you

@FiveMissiles 4 ай бұрын

interesting because i had this idea about gpus and how they are all semi unique because its hard to replicate a dye and then linus recently posted a video about the same idea but w cpus

@kfiz9502 3 ай бұрын

Forcing air through a smaller opening does not reduce air temperature rather it increases velocity. One perceives the air is cooler due to the increased velocity. Think of it this way. The faster you spin a fan (increase velocity), the cooler the air feels yet the air temperature did not change.

@CrazyPhys 9 ай бұрын

This guy is really bringing creativity to the area. And if you think about it, it's not hard to make flexible tubes which can adjust length to fit the hardware's layout.

@ennayanne 9 ай бұрын

like those dryer tubes

@noahbirdrevolution 9 ай бұрын

@@ennayanne My next build will now have a laundromat theme. lol

@Kimboslot 9 ай бұрын

No disrespect, I love this cooling design, but my gateway computer from 2005 utilized the same technique.

@ennayanne 9 ай бұрын

@@Kimboslot always ahead of their time

@Ektuma 9 ай бұрын

@@Kimboslotdamn than it feels like pc design went from performance and optimization to aesthetics somewhere down the line

@FlickTheBrick 9 ай бұрын

It’s pretty normal to see air vents on workstations and some prebuilt PCs. That being said, I really like this project. It was fun watching you combine your various skills with great results!

@bigdumpfarts 9 ай бұрын

yeah, I was about to post that he built a Dell from my childhood/teen years but much classier looking

@ionelum 9 ай бұрын

@@bigdumpfarts For me this reminds me the HP Workstations series 800 (with wich I worked for a decade) where everything was ducted in a much similar way to this build. Good job!

@EstelonAgarwaen 9 ай бұрын

Was about to say, he made an optiplex

@gmaacentralfounder 9 ай бұрын

@@EstelonAgarwaen With Pentium 4, no less. :-). This one Dell Optiplex PC had intake funnels and PC fan exhaust duct. All i know it was LOUD. I was toying with the idea of doing something similar (with added difficulty of not having 3D printer or easy access to one), but I passed. And since I watched the JTC's video on how liquid cooling on front intake reduces temperatures (and subsequently extending the lifetime) of every other component in the case, I wouldn't even bother considering...

9 ай бұрын

I was going to rite the same. 😂

@usurpinesusanti3149 7 ай бұрын

Well done. Of course have always have to redesign if you have different hardware, but with knowledge of parametric design changing the geometry isnt that difficult. And you have to print it one by one anyway. My next pc build will have that for sure. Thank you for the idea!

@up-down-high-low9500 7 ай бұрын

Cool solution, nice results! I see this kind of vent implementation on brand PC's, like Dell. But I think their goal is to make it as compact as possible with least amount of fans/fins used.

@JaZoN_XD 9 ай бұрын

One thing you'd have to think about is RAM and SSD temperatures now that they get basically no airflow at all. Otherwise, this is definitely inspiring me to do something similar :)

@ThePentosin 9 ай бұрын

There is still one intake and one exhaust that takes care of case temperature.

@Nekochukinch 9 ай бұрын

This is actually a good point. The case being used I believe is actually designed for negative airflow which just means it's designed for pushing hot air out as the priority. That's why the front intake is actually routed from the opposite side panel. Positive airflow typically leave a mesh grill at the front for direct fan intake. Gamer nexus did a great video on negative airflow cases and the effects of jamming more fans in them. In this case(ha) I think if you were having high temps on ssd or ram already, this would not help those components if the case is truly a close air circuit.

@bobbienl1 9 ай бұрын

Also VRM's and chipset. Especially with a 13900k in there

@littleb9298 9 ай бұрын

dun worry, he will add some water cooling blocks to them in the next video...

@meltech4659 9 ай бұрын

I dont think its a problem because the inside should be way cooler now because of the exhaust channels. And both the unchanneled fans are exclusively taking care of ram chipset etc., which is way more than in most builds

@twistan4976 9 ай бұрын

optimum is the fucking goat man. Everything from video quality, quality of projects, to aesthetics are all top class. really pushing the barriers of tech videos, super sick

@antaresvariant2306 9 ай бұрын

This is my first time watching one of his vids and I'm legitimately blown away by how beautifully-shot this video was.

@tofu.delivery. 9 ай бұрын

and no midroll ads 🙏

@poeticsilence047 9 ай бұрын

@EuanZhang That's because he has a "real" job outside of KZfaq. This is more of a passion thing and it shows.

@notquiteordinary 2 ай бұрын

I had an OEM computer from 2007 that did this, so....I'm glad to see you're really innovating here

@croustibat682 2 ай бұрын

I did something very similar to mine. For the best effect, you want only 1 fan per duct, and avoid sharp corners. You really also want it completely airtight, and space the fan from radiators as the surface in the corners and center is lost. I got the best results with the intake fan glued the furthest away from the radiator. The inside of my duct goes round (fan side) to square-ish (radiator). Hot glue is great to seal ducts to radiators, fans to ducts, and is pretty easy to remove.

@UserCraft1 9 ай бұрын

these airflow guides are quite common on workstations and servers, great project!

@Ober1kenobi 9 ай бұрын

Yeh it’s nothing new He came across something But yknow I Fixed, lol

@beardalaxy 9 ай бұрын

i can imagine something sort of like this has to be similar to what consoles do too, yeah?

@RannekoPlays 9 ай бұрын

I literally had a case that came with a shroud for airflow about 20 years ago

@DuBstep115 9 ай бұрын

@@Ober1kenobi PCs modularity is its biggest strength and weakness at the same time. None of the parts are optimized, that's why a $400 console beats $800 pc

@indiviiduall 9 ай бұрын

@@Ober1kenobihe prob meant he fixed it for himself

@jmondanaro 9 ай бұрын

Most older server desktops had directed cowlings for fans blowing on the important components. I always wondered why they weren’t in PCs but I guess the variety of components means that they would always be custom. Thanks for 3d printers!

@Lishtenbird 9 ай бұрын

They weren't ubiquitous, but they were there. One of my older systems had an adjustable side-panel duct to feed air directly into the CPU cooler, one of my tower coolers shipped with a flexible exhaust duct, and I remember later using a sheet of plastic to similarly force air through HDDs. But now, side panels are glass, so aesthetics just take priority.

@Scout339th 4 ай бұрын

This video inspired me to relook at my PC's cooling after moving it into an NR200, and I have modeled + printed my first air duct to go into my new case. It's incredibly fun, and with my ATX PSU in my NR200, I hear and feel an immediate improvement in thermals. Time to duct the rest of the machine!

@mirthcastle Ай бұрын

Dell PowerEdge's Towers (like the T440) have been doing this for a long time... that being said, nice to see someone apply the concept to a consumer PC, and you did a great job at a that!

@crawfordbrown75 9 ай бұрын

Smooth out those bends with a fillet, get as much laminar flow going in, and less static pressure will be required, airflow should improve significantly more on the CPU. (master of eng. - thesis on airflow in medical devices) - currently in that scenario the air will be separating massively, with lots of turbulent air only getting to the bottom half of the air cooler just so you know. Try and straight line the air as much as possible. Edit: P.s commented before watching

@Meat__Sweats 9 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, but At least with the current design, there isn't much space to round out the CPU duct because of the GPU duct competing for the same space. I'm sure there is a complex design that somehow smooths the curves of both, but it might be too much work for minimal pay-off.

@DuyLeNguyen 9 ай бұрын

At these relatively low Reynolds number and mass flow rate, does it matter that much though (been about a decade since the last time I touched an analytical fluid dynamics textbook, but if memory serves right, it should not matter too much at this type of scale and ambient conditions)

@ApacheVR-4 9 ай бұрын

I think that if I were to design something like this, I would have the Upper fan at the front of the case act as intake and the Top fan that he is currently using as intake for the CPU as the new exhaust for the GPU. You would have to get a bit more creative with making the 2 tubes move past one another, but you would get a much more direct airflow path for both CPU and GPU. Hell, you MIGHT even be able to use both top fans as exhaust for the GPU that way. It's worth noting that I think this is why most SFF cases do so well with thermals and smaller coolers compared to their larger tower brethren. Many SFF cases place the components where they bring in fresh air from one side and exhaust out the other side fairly efficiently.

@rustler08 9 ай бұрын

@@DuyLeNguyen No, it's not going to matter that much

@lilithstenhouse267 9 ай бұрын

Do remember the limits of 3d printers. Overhangs of >45° cause problems without supports

@vagabond8460 9 ай бұрын

This channel seriously deserves so much more attention than it gets. Optimum brings a certain creativity that bigger channels lost their ability to produce in their content.

@chrisgarciart 9 ай бұрын

Fr I can barely stand other tech KZfaqrs at this point

@poeticsilence047 9 ай бұрын

Once you see those dollar signs who cares about quality content...lol

@cagneybillingsley2165 9 ай бұрын

if it was this simple, it'd be done already. people who make videos don't tend to be in the business of revolutionizing industries. well except maybe the mindless entertainment industry

@grantharper6409 2 ай бұрын

Looks incredible!! I’ve always wondered there isn’t a manufacturer that vents directly… someone could set themselves up here as a unique business model, as it looks as good as water cooling

@toplobster 2 ай бұрын

Would've been nice to see the smoke test and how efficient the air flow is displayed with it it. This is a sick build man! Congratz

@xK3NY0x 9 ай бұрын

This whole video is just awesome! The content, shots, editing, dedication are pure quality. No weird Intro with annoying music, no subscribe or bell icons with infuriating sound effects. I adore your content!

@javiej 9 ай бұрын

I agree. Also without click bait, without boring sponsors and without "let's dive in" moment. Pure joy. Less is more.

@ge7468 9 ай бұрын

That was crazy. The quality, the editing and the project. Best tech channel right now.

@Jumbro6 9 ай бұрын

Linus is out of the realm rn haha

@palyze 9 ай бұрын

@@Jumbro6 this is better imo

@chevyvette96 9 ай бұрын

totally agree

@linkeduardo100 6 ай бұрын

You should probably test the temperatures on your Motherboard and VRM since you changed the natural airflow inside the case and now the hot air could be accumulating inside your case (hot air should almost always exhaust on the top)

@bluphenyx 15 күн бұрын

I think the middle front fan and the back top fan take care of that just fine.

@nutty232 5 ай бұрын

you're my current favorite computer youtuber. thank you for the content!

@williamhelena7592 9 ай бұрын

i love how you pivoted to start experimenting and incorporating new things with your channel. SFF is so awesome but it’s even more awesome seeing you talk to the entire PC community. Been a huge fan for YEARS. keep it up dude!

@ebean9158 9 ай бұрын

OT, you've easily been my favorite tech youtuber for a while now. Thank you for mad shit like this.

@Djent_Lover 9 ай бұрын

More mad shit like "strapping pc to audi roof, test temps" or "pc mounted inside bar fridge temp test" with mint cinematics

@Redmage913 9 ай бұрын

“We have the LOUDEST passively-cooled PC setup for you today!” as the Audi zooms by at 90mph.

@Goochigoop 2 ай бұрын

I’m impressed, very nice project. I want to try it too now

@KiltedTitan 2 ай бұрын

Interesting idea, might try to do that for myself and my water cooled PC to see of i can improve the cooling for half my loop.

@piersonm5574 9 ай бұрын

Would love to see a company do pre-builts like this, with stock hardware but custom ducts. That way you can always remove the ducts if you upgrade

@UnsettlingNarrations 9 ай бұрын

Dell have always used vents in their desktops

@PostingCringeOnMain 9 ай бұрын

@@UnsettlingNarrationsI was 2 seconds away from saying that Dell Optiplex 755 systems from like.... 2007... had directional fan ducts in. Literally a shroud at the front and the back that surrounded the CPU block which meant they could run all day on a tiny, slow speed fan that didn't make a ton of noise when you had 100 of them all running in an open plan office.

@alphadragongamingFTW 9 ай бұрын

Back in the day before people cared about how the interior of the PC looked and most PCs were solid and did not use any glass there were directional fans with Shrouds pushing air to a particular point.

@flawns 9 ай бұрын

yeah ... Dell has been doing this since the 90s

@robster7787 9 ай бұрын

Have you ever taken apart a Dell optiplex?

@LostRams 9 ай бұрын

Crazy how you keep a massive project like this to a 10 minute video. Amazing results

@byu2 6 ай бұрын

You're such an artist with everything you do man.

@kawsper 6 ай бұрын

Really interesting project, this isn't a new idea, around 10 years ago I used to have a "HP XW9300 workstation" back in the day, and it was amazing, the motherboard had 2 physical CPU slots for dual Opteron 250 processors, and it had a duct for its CPUs like the one you're designing!

@samuraijaydee 8 ай бұрын

I did a simpler version of this a while ago, but what I LOVED about your approach was that you built the actually PC first then designed the parts to fit in the virtual machine... I'm going to give that a go. I also didn't know about that ducting tool, although I am only versed in TinkerCAD right now. Thanks for this video!

@NightVisionOfficial 8 ай бұрын

Loft is common, if you used F360 for anything with a curve/direction that has a Start and an End you'll know already. It's cool to see your ideas come to life after years, by a youtuber x)

@MrLukeMedia 8 ай бұрын

Tinkercad from experience is really limited. I'd recommend starting to learn F360, once you get mildly comfortable with it, it'll already be faster to use than tinkercad.

@itsanarse 9 ай бұрын

This is where a liquid cooled system comes into its own, the heat is immediately exhausted out of the case. Cooling ducts in PCs have been done for years by the likes of Dell and other OEMs, hell I even had my own 'cold air intake' in my PC back in 2009 made out of a Haribos tray. Always good to see some lovely 3D printed parts 👍

@JosephKinney 9 ай бұрын

Yep. I went to liquid cooling about 9 years ago and haven’t looked back. I know that in that time, air coolers have definitely progressed (the Assassin he used in this video is a monster) but, so far, nothing has been able to pull me away.

@pleaserespond3984 9 ай бұрын

And if you want even more airflow, you can route the pipes outside the case through a pci slot and put the radiator outside as well. You still want some airflow in the case for the drives, but this way the majority of the heat is immediately dumped outside.

@shynnsup8383 9 ай бұрын

@@JosephKinney What are you talking about dude? Fans now a days are as good and quiet as liquid, and they almost never fail compared to liquid. Not to mention its cheaper, easier to build and upgrade, and you don't have the huge risk of flooding and destroying your entire pc. That alone should be enough.

@ilyarepin7750 9 ай бұрын

@@JosephKinney if the air cooler breaks, you get a new one. If the water cooler breaks, your parts get soaked in water and fried. No thanks.

@baal8938 9 ай бұрын

@@shynnsup8383 absolutely not lol. For GPUs it’s fine for CPUs it depends which one but it’s miles away when it comes to cooling. AiO is safe and almost as good as custom

@mr.burkenstock4188 2 ай бұрын

old PC's use to have this, my first PC that I got at a garage sale and fixed back up had this shroud, i thought it was useless now since they never accounted for computers to now demand more energy warming up more than the CPU alone. I think it would be neat if you continued testing to see motherboard temps and stuff, maybe the ambient air provided more cooling than you belived. Interesting to see history repeat itself so soon.

@AG.Floats 5 ай бұрын

This used to be a thing actually

@serialtoon 9 ай бұрын

Pretty much the reason servers and some OEMs use these cowls. Gotta channel that airflow. Nice video

@dgevert 9 ай бұрын

Yeah I instantly thought of OEMs like Dell and HP...they've been doing this for a while.

@riopower 9 ай бұрын

my thought same but usually OEMs just draw airflow to CPU cooler but no exhaust like OT did. And look at the performance result. that looks like beating the AIO performance that has possibility of failure in long run.

@FragEightyfive 9 ай бұрын

Some old systems had them, like 1990/early 00's when desktop processors started to need fans, through at least the early 2010's. I want to say HP and Compaq had some for sure. About 10-12 years ago I did a few different ducts to accommodate a few different sized fans. Worked great.

@mesasone2280 8 ай бұрын

Ducting was pretty common in the modding scene in the early 2000s

@TheSd1cko 8 ай бұрын

I had an old Dell in early 2000's that was given to me for parts / to mess about with and that too had ducted intakes and exhausts

@clookoo2 4 ай бұрын

that's so funny, I did this once way back in high-school with cardboard and clear tape lol. Yours turned out waaay nicer obvs, cheers dude

@ketherariztegui7413 7 ай бұрын

Very cool. I hope some solutions will emerge in the future for better cooling.

@josecruz8803 8 ай бұрын

As a car enthusiast myself, I absolutely love this idea and way of thinking! Some notes though: -The rest of the parts/components on the motherboard need decent airflow too. The only air they are getting from this set up is from the bottom of the front fans blowing in, and the rear back fan is the exhaust fan for the case itself. With the GPU in the way the air is likely splitting the 1 intake fans airflow, best case scenario half towards the motherboard and half the glass (which is useless, and more than half is likely going this way). This could be fixed with a piece that moves air from that front fan directly to the motherboard. -The SSD must be an M.2 under one of those plates with the ROG eye on it, which does not look like is getting much airflow as is, meaning the SSD is getting much less from the one fan when it was likely used to getting it from the bottom fan (floor-fan? That's what I call mine) as well. -When you remember that he said he "drastically" reduced those fans speeds because they "aren't really doing anything", you start to realize the case isn't getting much airflow to the other components. Might want to make sure those are at a decent speed if they are not already. Still, an awesome video!

@ov3rkill 6 ай бұрын

This. I was thinking the same especially the components VRM and southbridge as those things insanely heats up. Although modern motherboards have heatsinks on them, it would be great to see it properly dissipated too.

@CobraF1 8 ай бұрын

Fascinating and beautiful. I really like that modern car engine look with no wasted space. Really cool performance improvement!

@hisroyalillness 6 ай бұрын

Great concept and realization. Thank you for the inspiration.

@ehhhhhhhhhh 7 ай бұрын

My old Dell from the 2000s had channeled air like this--I definitely did not appreciate how smart that was at the time. Would love to see more mass produced computers that are highly optimized for airflow like this. That'll allow for quieter PCs and/or lower overall energy usage, which is awesome either way.

@scottdickson9224 8 ай бұрын

Bro I'd been kicking this idea around for years. Super, super stoked to see someone take it to the extreme. Excellent work mate.

@KalebSDay 9 ай бұрын

You truly are one of the best in class for presentation/editing. Thanks for making/sharing this! Super cool and aesthetically pleasing build :D Damn that performance & noise reduction is nice

@saguhn8221 6 ай бұрын

One of the coolest videos I've seen in a while.

@20mmRainFPV 6 ай бұрын

People have been doing this in the embedded server space forever. But it's still a fun experiment. Nice job

@brigwright 9 ай бұрын

How does this man not have more subs? His content is interesting, original, and pertinent. 10/10 love the output mate!

@sykodelicninja4346 9 ай бұрын

He's growing nonstop, one day he will be huge and replace MKBHD

@cjm5002 9 ай бұрын

The exact reason for that is the complete opposite of the giant tech channels: hes not a sellout shill!

@theredscourge 9 ай бұрын

A note to anyone else attempting this - you need some airflow left for the VRMs on the motherboard and a little for RAM, SSDs, etc, so don't duct every single fan unless you've got a solution for those too.

@rtopz1 8 ай бұрын

Seriously, too many shills here, giving mass praise when other parts need cooling

@junkice6930 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s the one glaring problem I see with this too. I’d be interested to see the difference in SSD temps/performance especially with this setup, as you’re getting almost zero airflow to it because of the manifolds. This is also one of the more heat sensitive components when it comes to longevity and can have massive consequences if it fails.

@theredscourge 7 ай бұрын

@@rtopz1 Don't get me wrong, having dedicated fans for the CPU and GPU and ducting them is probably super efficient, but the PC builder definitely needs to leave at least one fan with no ducting unless these other components have MASSIVE heatsinks.

@rtopz1 7 ай бұрын

@@theredscourge agreed

@DerUnbekannte 7 ай бұрын

wonder if he'll see an nvme or something burning up in a few years because its heat sink is now blocked by the huge duct and there's basically no more circulation in the case

@RahLoh 3 ай бұрын

great work,laptops and smaller pcs do have ducts but its a balance of noise vs temps

@gavinhughes8623 29 күн бұрын

I do like how you take a common problem and implement a solution that just makes sense why hasent this been done before nice job man 👍

@Raffy-wo4ph 16 күн бұрын

Standardization and capitalism is sometimes a bitch

@sebastians1511 9 ай бұрын

always love how much effort goes into your videos. thank you for time that you put in them

@shlubbert3355 9 ай бұрын

I've always been super intrigued by the airflow shrouds in server and workstation cases, so it's awesome to see you take a stab at this. Might be interesting to see how the airflow path could be improved further with alternative case layouts and component orientations.

@LS-xb2fh 9 ай бұрын

I would love to see how cases with the PSU at the front (e.g. JONSBO D40) work in this regard. With bottom and rear intake and top exhaust, that layout allows both the CPU and GPU to get fresh air. But I have not found anyone who tested one of those cases with a back to front CPU cooler flow direction.

@nicolas.elsaesser 7 ай бұрын

The production quality of this video is amazing 🤯🥳

@MrJerryArt 6 ай бұрын

Insane prints! What is the printer and can we know more about the settings/files/materials used?

@MrMaxim 9 ай бұрын

You're doing amazing stuff and always pushing it. What a beautiful thing to see.

@user-yu4ps3rh3p 9 ай бұрын

make content

@omster_ 9 ай бұрын

Hah didn't expect to see BananaMan himself here

@walkinmn 9 ай бұрын

Ducts on PC modding should be way more popular, really well done. I'm just wondering about sound, would be nice if for a second video you could add noise levels all around because I would think the duct makes it louder but since some fans slowdown that would help, and in case it is louder, I'm guessing some dampening on the connections could help.

@azur1o 8 ай бұрын

Since the ducts lead to better air flow which leads to lower fan speeds this should lead to lower noise levels for the same cooling effect.

@gametime2473 8 ай бұрын

Ducts make quite a bit less sound.

@walley2637 2 ай бұрын

this video proves to me that KZfaq reads my mind. i have been pondering doing this exact thing lately but havent searched anything about it, but then here it appears on my feed. the only addition i am thinking about adding is connecting an A/C vent to the intake fans.

@LaurieKnight1969 2 ай бұрын

I had an old dual xeon workstation which came with 1 cpu actively cooled and 1 passive. The passive one was constantly thermal throttling and when I investigated it became apparent some ducting was missing from my system. It was basically impossible to get hold of so I truly botched it with cardboard and aluminium tape. In my defense it worked and the cpu became usable, and it never went on fire!

@hodgiwabi 9 ай бұрын

I work at Autodesk, and things like this is why. So cool to see what people do with F360. Looks like a sick build.

@Y2Kvids 9 ай бұрын

I also work at Desk .

@karimsherali3764 9 ай бұрын

Used auto desk for years in engineering academy at highschool lol

@Kinvesu 8 ай бұрын

I also work at autodesk.

@peacelounge 9 ай бұрын

Some of the best content out in KZfaq. As a product design engineer seeing your progress in fusion 360 is awesome.

@annadarby7224 2 ай бұрын

Love the concept and passion out into your cooling. But seeing the temps before the cooling upgrades. Makes me appreciate my Corsair 7000d w/ 15 fans. My 13900k and asus tuf gaming rtx 4090 oc run super cool on 4k ultra and rt set to ultra. Cpu doesn’t go over 50c and gpu doesn’t go over 60c. But that’s the perk of using a full tower and a lot of fans vs a smaller case and less fans.

@gerarbasa Ай бұрын

MAN i need you to fix your keywords for this video. I saw a post about this months ago and wanted to rewatch it and lasted AGES!!! I need you to enhance your SEO 4 this video. IDK why, i searched through all search engines just to find it with fixing cooling. BRO!! "3d printed airflow fix pc" might be much much better keywords for this video. hope this help you get more and more views bcuz that project is AMAZING and MUST be a new standard in pc industry

@Kazymedic 9 ай бұрын

Awesome video. This is actually how OEM PC makers like Dell used to make their stuff in the 90's.. Bravo on your efforts! I would buy this set up for sure.

@jcgongavoe337 9 ай бұрын

HP workstations are still using them as well

@robby98756 9 ай бұрын

I've seen them in servers a little more recent. Super cool (pun retroactively intended)

@AsthmaQueen 9 ай бұрын

Yup mid 2000's xps systems even had channel guides

@tasha1982ify 9 ай бұрын

DELL still uses it, HP too :)

@jmckey 9 ай бұрын

Yep, I have a 10 year old Dell workstation PC with dual Xeons (it's mostly collecting dust now) that has these kind of custom directed plastic channels for the big aluminum heat sinks on the CPUs. There's actually no fans directly on the CPUs, just the airflow that gets pushed over the heatsinks via the channels. It's pretty neat and effective. Just very proprietary, like this setup.

@user-vl4iq7bj5e 9 ай бұрын

i really admire how you tackled the problem in your own way with inspiration from working on your car. would love to see you do more projects like this. lets try some custom liquid cooling on the cpu, gpu & ram next?

@mamaharumi 6 ай бұрын

Man, this looks absolutely sick. I love it.

@bongkem2723 10 күн бұрын

amazing design and performance, it can be mass produced with fan fitting and airtubes (12cm, 14cm, 9cm... for each fan size), similar to watercool fitting and tubes ;)