Love the overall tone on this channel. Still personality driven like other LTT stuff, but more playful and inquisitive. Shooting on location and out in nature are a really nice contrast to the rest of the indoor, office based LTT stuff too.

I love that you guys brought in an expert from academe. This is one of the reasons I check into MAC Address not for apple content but all the juicy tech/industry adjacent stuff that is tangentially a pretty big deal all things considered. Keep at it M.A. team!

The interview with Eugene Fiume was really well done. Great audio and lighting, editing worked great as well. Would love Mac Address (and LTT for that matter) to do more of these professional/journalistics approaches. Especially with experimental and developing topics like Mixed Reality.

My wishlist: * App multitasking. Imagine being able to pick up apps and tuck them in behind others like a deck of cards to switch between apps. * Creative applications. Things like 3D sculpting or modeling, possibly gamedev, and the like come to mind...Or Blender Grease Pencil... * I'm not sure it's quite the right fit for Apple, but AI integration with some sort of AR assistant could be interesting, but I'm not sure they have the wherewithal to do what needs to be done in that space. It would be an interesting excuse to get people to buy expensive Mac variants of AMD pro GPUs, though... \-> * To add onto the AI notes, some sort of tool for creative use that didn't use AI to generate an image, but to generate a rough 3D visualization of a 2D image could be interesting, even for artists, particularly animators to plan out their cuts and complex "camera" movements. * Device management. Being able to see a popup (above the device, using their location data!!!) showing the state of other Apple devices and manage them could be a killer feature. "I'm going to use my Macbook/iPhone in 6 hours, so I'll set it to only fully charge then", "I have updates for my iPhone and iPad, so I can install both without looking at the devices", and such come to mind. * Some sort of map integration to be able to "walk" through areas on a route you're planning, to get a feel for how it'll be driving through there, is something else that comes to mind. My non-wishlist, or things I don't want: * I don't want to do regular audio production in VR at all, for instance. It's possible being able to have a 3D visualization of the mix (or at least reverb simulation) might be handy for mixing things like orchestral music, but that seems extraordinarily niche. * My spreadsheets do not need to be incorporated into VR, as well. * Overall, I don't want *everything* in VR. Just the things that can benefit from VR is more than enough.

I’m not sure I would buy into augmented reality. But the idea of having a virtual 50 inch HDR screen that I can strap on for video editing. It’s pretty neat.

9:50 Heh, spot on. That's basically exactly what Apple said in the keynote.

7:00 Exactly. It feels (and I’ve heard this over and over), that VR is stuck in a demo phase, even though there is much more potential to it. It seems no one wants to take that leap out of “demo phase”

I had literally no expectations for this video or the direction it would go and yet you have absolutely shocked me with this engaging and thought provoking discussion on apple VR. Bravo your team has really found it's stride. Beautiful camerawork, editing and cinematography as always.

i really like this format, where you ask different people what their thoughts are about topic X, and then ask an actual expert knowledgeable in X. a lot of people don't do this format because it's a bit hard (and time consuming) to string together various contrasting opinions into a cohesive whole, so kudos to the channel!

9:52 haha, they basically made the exact same argument in their presentation

0:54 they directly addressed this in today’s presentation. Cool prediction

I agree with this, it'd be amazing to have a virtual monitor with Apple's mixed reality headset, allowing us to work from anywhere with just a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. However, I fear it might end up like the iPadOS vs MacOS experience. Instead of carrying a whole laptop, it would've been cool to use an iPad for everyday tasks and seamlessly switch to a laptop setup with a keyboard for work. But since Apple wants to separate the tasks done with the iPad from the Mac, iPadOS is designed to be limited and to be only an extension for the Mac. That might be the plan as well for this mixed reality headset, an extension of the Mac and not a stand alone device.

coming here from WWDC to see how relevant and accurate this vid is

The software is probably what I’m looking forward to the most, in addition to the lighter headset as a result of the battery being external. But I’m not looking forward to the price.

Well, now we know better. They did change the game with Vision Pro!

i love how no one could have possibly watched the entire video yet

Part of me is curious to see if it actually succeeds, but after facebooks billion dollar fail to make VR an industry standard, I feel like this will also have a rough launch, might end up being like the airpods max or butterfly keyboard, but it could do well.

No way he predicted the name.

I think for productivity, it is very exciting. I work in a structural engineering office and everyone here has either two or three 27" screens and I chose to ditch the multi screen setup and buy one huge 38.5" 16:9 1440p screen but if we had headsets we could just ditch the screens entirely and just hook up our headsets to our PC's and have one huge workspace with windows all around us. Also if the 3D modelling software keeps up with the tech then being able to model with your hands and have the toolbars all around the egde of your view like a HUD then that would be awesome. I would be tempted to buy the Apple VR headset if the price was reasonable but all the rumors are saying its going to be crazy expensive so it's a no from me. Maybe in a couple of years when they get cheaper and better.

I really hope the futurist guy who discussed replacing screens and tried those glasses has seen Dennou Coil. It's a short anime, but it's a lot more serious than it might seem on the surface; some critics have compared it to Ghost in the Shell. It really examines what it means to have the screens come with you everywhere, both experientially and societally. How it affects interpersonal interactions, and also stuff like even more intimate privacy invasion - they're not just with you everywhere you go like a phone, they're on your face processing imagery at all times. And it's all underlined by being run by a monopoly, which opportunistically charges money every time you need to do anything major - like reset the device, or if your virtual pet gets corrupted, or you're upgrading to a new pair. The company which runs it in the present of the setting is even a bigger conglomerate which bought out the original company after it proved financially viable, and suddenly diverted R&D resources away from their original bigger long-term goals toward enhancing profit-margins. (Presaging the Oculus purchase.) The kids' parents just use it to take video calls and share spreadsheets and stuff, with shared vision among everyone in a space, and it seems completely mundane to them. But, outside of schoolwork, the kids have all sorts of games they play (including illegal hacking and jailbreaking). Most of the perils the kids want to avoid, rather than being magical and fantastical, involve stuff like being banned from the monopoly's network, or tripping city firewalls, or otherwise landing them/their parents in financial peril through fines for DMCA/EULA-breaking. There's even a wonderful scene where they all have to use regular phones because of temporary plot reasons about the network, and the kids are bewildered and baffled by how their parents got along with "just" a smartphone. They're also baffled about why there was such a moral panic when they first came out, because their "cyberglasses" are so much more immersive and addictive. _That's_ the "I just have a landline" of the cyberglasses age. There's a few more whimsical/unrealistic elements of course, like making the location part of the programming to such an extent that there's entire hidden databases to find (and consequently "worlds" to explore) which can only be unlocked by first taking some circuitous route around the city. And some of the program functions are skeuomorphised to the extreme, like a search program which you literally use like you're reeling in a fish, which goes overboard versus reality for the sake of visual dynamism. But the deeper cultural critique is so much more mature than a lot of people expected when it came out!

Great video and great opinions with the professionals. I really appreciate the extra work on these videos. There's something weird with the sound of indoor takes. A slight background noise that wasn't filtered.

Time stamp 9:53 can we all appreciate the fact you actually called Apple’s marketing strategy 3 days before they launched it… Well done!

I love nerding out about new tech and Apple is undeniably a titan of a tech company, but what's often lost in the spec sheets, use cases, competitor analyses, etc. is that Apple is also a titan of a LIFESTYLE company. It's less about what the VR headset will be good for, Apple can figure that out with time (like they did with the iPad, Apple Watch, etc.) but what the general public thinks owning an Apple VR headset will say about them. The AirPods Max are underspec'd for their price when compared to competitors. They add very little functionality when compared to competitors. They have undeniable design faults which competitors have solved ages ago. And yet, they're all the rage with fashion, fitness, and lifestyle influencers, upper-middle class teenagers, and tech "enthusiasts" (aka KZfaq tech reviewers).

They made your video obsolete real quick.

Not really feeling like I'm an old person saying this (being only 22), but... Personally, the whole VR/AR shabang from the WWDC today was not really only quite bland, but also disconcerting to watch - actually kinda goosebumps Matrix-kind of territory, and all that for what...? For your children to see fake eyes that don't age overtime, or how effing novelty-like the whole "look at these 3D animations of each app" feels? Not to mention people, even your loved ones, that come into frame just not simply being handled with like "Oh, hi there, how are you?"... REEEALLY weird how kinda unrealistic the circumstances were displayed, ignoring the still-visible real undertones that leave a bitter aftertaste to some, but will most likely (blindly) sell for the rest of people. Experience nature you cannot travel to due to high costs - by buying a device of an even higher cost. Do work, by wearing a massive device on your head that even "design" can't really help with. Say hi to people that need your attention - only for you to tell them to go away in reality. And the eyes being viewed by others...

You nailed this one. For a while, I thought I was re-watching this vid during the actual announcement.

what i think would make more people cling to it more is the possibility of collaboration and social aspect, and i dont mean in in "VR Chat" way. No, I mean e.g. if me and my friend were in the same room, both with headsets, that we could be interacting with the same projection in space in the same exact spot, seeing synced changes with low latency, i think that would be great

If they could really do 4k movies really really well (no adverse effects to health etc), at the equivalent of a 100" screen at 3 metres, I'd be all in as a starter. If it could then do photo editing, such that the App would allow a "walk through of layers" then that would be amazing.

VRChat is very much social vr. I moved to a new city and have few friends here but I still have my friends in vr that I've gone onto meet irl and we build legitimate memories in vr, have parties, talk about heavy life stuff. We DO watch movies with friends and it's a fantastic experience, even just found 3d movies in vr. These people are talking about things they haven't even really used. It's here and it works.

This channel is really shining, and the academic cut ins are a great addition.

11:55 I think the implementation should be more like the glasses recognizes your desk and shows your virtual displays only when you at your desk and when you stand up to get a for example a cup of voice u can leave the glasses on (like u should) and have a clear view (like with normal glasses) and when you’re back at your desk the virtual displays are still there. So you have a wider let’s say canvas to position you displays etc in front of you but can also decide on which area they should be…

Hey man love the vids when I found your channel I started watching all of them can’t wait to see you grow

These interviews were a nice addition to the video, Eugene was really informative

I can’t wait to try the Vision Pro for myself but in the mean time I can’t wait to see and hear you and Eugene’s first hand impressions of actually using the Vision Pro, you both do such a great job of articulating your ideas on what it is and what it will potentially become.

I can see VR being useful for watching movies - the idea of having an IMAX cinema from the comfort of my sofa is very appealing. AR's main application for me would be monitor replacement - in addition to a laptop or connecting a keyboard/mouse up to it. For use outside of that I could see a pair of light AR glasses being like the Apple Watch, an extension/distillation of the phone but not a replacement. I'd put them on for directions while walking/driving etc and the Watch could be a useful way of controlling them (e.g. stopping/starting a workout)

Would LOVE a follow up with everyone on this video once Vision Pro is released

I love MacAddress. The content, the pacing, the visual, the topics... and with this video in particular, I really enjoy the input of Eugene Fiume. Thanks Jonathan and team, keep up the good work!

Really liked the video, and the documentary style with guests and library footage. I hope the key thing that comes from Apple doing this is to avoid the things that killed the Google Glass. It'd be nice to have something to remind me of people's names! (You'd have thought that would be Meta's speciality... but I guess LinkedIn demonstrates that good but niche can be a winner over universal.)

by the way, each video you release I like more and more than the last at least for 2023. Keep up the great work to you and your team and know that some of us don’t just watch to kill time but also learning and kept wondering, and albeit.. hoping for the future.

Really enjoyed this video. Documentary style that questions. In fact the whole channel is good. Great work Mac Address. Although timing could have been a month ago as in a few days, a lot of these questions will be answered at WWDC and the video largely irrelevant. 👍

Replacing the display was really a big hit for me. Forget about games or simulations. Just make a pair of glasses that can have 1080 resolution display with fast refresh rate and increase resolutions from there. And have it so that it has privacy mode or that only I can see it.

I’d prefer walkable AR glasses. I double we’ll get that for a while especially because of power. We’ll likely get Apple’s take on existing VR that costs 3x more, be the best, but rely on Apple Arcade

They have potentially just changed another industry...

This product isn't what a lot of people think it is. This is like the some dev kit for apple silicon. This is meant for developers to help develop for apple glass. Obviously some people are going to want to buy it, which is why Apple's making this public. It's going to be a mix between the transition kit and airpods max, not meant for everybody, but there's still some people who want to buy it.

I really hope to get AR glasses that can use together with monitor displays, especially cintiq tablet.

Love the in person interview. I wish more people took the time to do those. You had the zoom interview looking up a guy's nose, but I still gotta give you kudos for the other one. Also great to get some outside perspectives from people who might know more about a given subject and have something worthwhile to add.

had a quest 2 for quite a while now, the main issue with these is there just isnt enough people developing good games and apps for it, bringing apple onboard will be a good thing as we should start to see more games and apps being ported two and from the headsets are they are all going to be linux / arm based.

Really liked this style content. Loved the interviews and deep dive into the subject. More like this please ❤

Love the Tollan Stargate SG-1 set at the start haha. But honestly love the Mac Address Videos

I imagine a future where a sleek pair of AR glasses could subtitle people's speech around you in real time. It might be a useful tool for deaf or hearing impaired people. The AI already exists, it's a matter of adapting it to a new setting. If the glasses contained multiple external microphones, it could also triangulate the direction of different people speaking simultaneously and display their speech next to their bodies.

I'm convinced that the whole Stage Manager paradigm Apple introduced last year is a huge part of what they think is going to make MR great in that 'display-less' world mentioned. The entire design of it feels geared to task based workloads that you could flip between on a MR desktop. Making that mistake of UI/UX design a mere beta test makes the exact kinda sense that Apple does. I've no idea if it will translate better than it did on Mac/iPadOS, but I'm kinda excited by the possibilities

The right use case is a lightweight pair of glasses that enables you to have that massive monitor(s) that you cannot fit on your desk/in your apartment.

6:17 **finger on the monkeys' paw curls** turns out, you can _only_ use it while its charging!

Love that you filmed the intro to the video at Simon Fraser University campus at Burnaby! Also I have zero expectations about VR headset

Damn, announcement went better than this video predicted

It’s weird I was like oh hey it’s luke! at 3:50 then I was like oh yeah this an lmg channel. Kind of shows how unique the different channels are

I think technology like Sidecar was developed for this application specifically. Being able to really responsively project a high power computer on a low power platform is actually underrated in the industry. Same with other continuity technologies.

I was a Glass "explorer". The only real day-to-day uses that didn't suck were a really nice HUD for GPS directions and shockingly unobtrusive notifications. That's literally it. Which is why it never went to a full commercial release. All I would really want from VR/AR is glass that looks less stupid.

Gotta say I absolutely love the idea of replacing displays with a headset. If the fidelity can match looking at a laptop screen, and the form-factor is comfortable enough for long sessions, I think this could be a very compelling product. I could absolutely see it being the sort of thing that eventually replaces a laptop. It would not surprise me at all if apple positions their VR headset as a full computing device that you carry along with a magic keyboard, trackpad, and optionally a game controller.

If Apple can turn these into a pair of shades, I'm on board. Probably gonna need a few more years of tech advancements.

I‘m still waiting to be able to watch a sports game at home and feel like I‘m in a stadium. How I imagine it, all they have to do is place several 360° cameras around the stadium and they could sell you front row seats.

Hat I’m waiting for is the assistive technology applications. Huge potential.

Mouse, click wheel, multi touch. Almost word for word with what Tim Cook said. Fantastic job! If that doesn’t show that you understand Apple well, I don’t know what will… :)

LOL the forehead dent in the interview

They have done it again, ladies and gentlemen.

I really don’t know if apple will succeed with this new market sector, however if anyone can do it I think it will be apple. The use case I would LOVE to see would be primarily pass through with stuff added on. Replacing screens with a true retina class display would be incredible. I don’t know if the technology is at the point fov resolution and refresh rate wise where this is possible in un tethered device

I think there is no point for apple to release an VR Headsead, since it doesnt fit their lineup. But slim and simple AR glasses would be the killer device, everyone wants to have. Just imagine walking down the street with this glasses. They will show you the route in real life, upcoming messages, the current music. If you think of replacing screens on the desk you not only could remove and 1:1 replace them, you could create way greater UI experiences, that use all the space in your field of view.

They should’ve tie it with the smartphone and make it thin, light and natural-looking, something like traditional glasses. We don’t need a chipset and battery pack and such. Keep it as a immersive display for your phone and also a input device. Have some ultra wide band blaster and receiver, make it a tool for something like the measure app or AR identifier. Have a very good projector so it would not look weird. The experience/improvement is pushing with MR/VR/AR isn’t to replace smartphone and target it as a iPad replacement would be better than iPhone replacement

i think the more vr headset is cool, but given the rumored prices it seems so more like a public dev kit. so that way they can get some more IRL data, and hopefully release a cheaper AR one in a few years. but on the whole in exited for the almost transhumist world ar might bring.

By far the best use-case, for me at least, would be a replacement for your typical desk setup. But for that to work it would need to fully support Mac OS. I have no interest in a system that only works with the iPad and iPhone.

Replacing screens would be neat, but it has to be powerful enough. An all in one system in VR is appealing, and if the controls can work for a keyboard somehow, even better. I think what people want is more Holodeck-y, but this is an in between step

The "replacing screens" thing has always been the draw for me. I have Obsidian, 2 web browsers, system resource monitor, and a terminal multiplexer open at all times. Throw in Slack/Discord/Zoom/etc. and 3 monitors still isn't enough and I have to switch between workspaces.

9:14 - audio pops? At first I thought it was my system but I went back and they keep happening the exact same at the exact same timestamps.

This was a very cool video. Loving the interviews of experts!

Afaik they aren't doing a vr headset, they're doing a mixed reality headset that uses vr goggles with passthrough cameras, that also happens to be able to do vr. I think there's a number of advantages to this approach, mainly that holograms will look solid and will work even in bright daylight. Microsoft seems to have a lot of trouble scaling up the hololens displays. I've read some engineer saying that their particular screen projecting solution is a technological dead end.

Oh, can i have the audio notes at 5:11. that drop down was niceee

I've been thinking a lot about what Apple may have to offer to this, because AR glasses everyone can use seems to be the goal and there are many obvious uses for that but to get there they will bring first their VR/MR headset that will be mostly focused to developers but they have to have some killer app or killer feature to get people pump about the experience from the beginning and that's the tough one. A virtual desk where you can use an actual mouse and keyboard it's the first one and Meta has it too but there's the issue of actually being able to read text on a virtual screen, that requires great resolution and great lenses... And probably some software "trickery" but we need more and I'm not sure what could that be and I'm not sure Apple knows either and that's the worrisome part. I think if these headsets were a lot more affordable, then the social aspect could be explored a lot more, but as it is now, it's anyone's guess what will happen. VR it's a niche hobby Apple wants to make it more mainstream in order to get into AR glasses in the future, we'll see what they come up with

Excellent approach to the topic! Great video!

I really loved the format of the video, bouncing between Eugene's excellent insight and Jonathan's thoughts was awesome

I love my Nreal Airs, and a continuation and improvement upon those is what I would want. The only thing I really need full-fledged VR for is Beat Saber, other than that AR is much more interesting to me. Though one appeal that a bigger MR headset would have, would be the ability to use a bunch of virtual screens like with the Nreal Air, but without having to connect to a PC. The PC is in the glasses and all you would need is a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. But for that, Apple would have to allow Mac OS to run right on the glasses and considering that they still refuse to do that with the iPad, I doubt they’ll do it for the glasses. For true productivity, a gimped OS just won’t do it. We would need the ability to run a full desktop OS on it, with full desktop applications. That’s the reason why something like Samsung Dex just isn’t for me. The idea is cool, but at the end of the day you are still forced to use terrible mobile browsers and apps

I got an Apple Vision Pro ad on this video lmao

Really appreciated this episode, wonderfully informative and the style is really solid.

A virtual and functioning editing bay that looks like an old Steenbeck would be awesome. You could theoretically have as many as you want and work with other people on a project in real time. Also a virtual storyboarding app that is shared with a team so that we could work anywhere.

incorporating vr with 3d modelling would be cool, like actually seeing your model in 1:1 scale infront of you

I think VRChat should always be mentioned when talking about social VR, instead of just mentioning meta’s attempt.

fantastic video, love the interview

Haha 6:50, the classic VR user red spot.

I like how they zoomed in on Jonathan's forehead where he had that red line lol

Great Video M.A. team! Whatever it is, Apple VR needs to have complete, seamless, interoperability between all products and services in the Apple ecosystem. The biggest issue with selling VR is: outside of gaming, what justifies the average person investing the money into the product? What problem does VR solve, or what addition does it add to daily life? I assume that if apple is going to push a product, they have a clear direction in how they are going to sell it. And my biggest hope, my first hope, is that it will charge USB-C rather than lightning.

I'm not gonna lie, I was intrigued at the idea of using AR glasses as a monitor(s). I both video edit and animate, so it sounds cool. It would free up desk space, and also reduce heat during the hot months. Though I'm unsure how animation would work, so I suppose I would still need a tablet (currently an iPad) to draw frames. If I can keep the floating monitors stationary so I can still turn my head this way and that to view screens, that would be awesome!

Editor did you dirty with that zoom in 😂

Now that Vision Pro is out, I'd love to see a follow-up looking at what you got right and wrong in this video. Getting rid of screens is certainly a possibility, and they're certainly looking beyond gaming.

Mac Address is really such a great addition to LTT. Loved the video.

There's a translation layer for Vulkan to metal, really useful

My biggest issue with that is Apple snubbed Vulkan graphics for their own Metal graphics api and it just won't work well at all just like gaming on a Mac just doesn't work.

It's cool that you traveled to Tollana from Stargate SG-1 to film this episode.

12:31 was that Linus’s stunt double????? Love the take on this. Mac address is on my top 3 LTT channels

I’m honestly so excited for Monday. Been waiting for this for years

I'm REALLY curious what you think now that it's been announced.

Wow that’s exactly the only use I have for the very headset. I’m used to work with row monitors but going to the library is loosing one I would use a headset to avoid carrying a secondary monitor in addition to my MacBook