*Comes up behind shoulder and whispers in ear*: Númenor-sub mod~

Hey there, how's everyone doing? Good, good. My name is Sauron Foley, and I am a motivational speaker. First, a few things about me. I am twice disembodied, and although I used to have a whole tower, I live in a van down by the river!

Okay, I have restrained myself to this point :D I enjoy these videos very much and they are very well done. I shall add my input to the story. The Silmaril was brought to Earendil by his wife Elwing after she cast herself into the sea to escape the sons of Feanor who attacked her people in pursuit of it. She was saved by the servants of Ulmo and brought to Earendil in the guise of a sea bird. The radiance of the Silmaril is what allowed Earendil to finally navigate the shadowy enchantments that hid Aman from the rest of the world and complete his mission on the behalf of the two kindreds.

"sauron is a very tricksy little bugger" i laughed so hard when you said that

Ar-Pharazon got what he wanted in the end. He got immortality, but has to stay in that cave until the end of days.

1:18-2:30 "As vineyards are attested in the eastern part of the Hyarnustar, Didier Willis notes that adequate climatological conditions for viticulture are quite strict and estimates the island to be located around 40° N, indeed facing the Bay of Belfalas." From Tolkien Gateway.

Another lovely video. This helps to bring to mind all the confused and semi-remembered history gathered in a wild one summer "to read them all" vacation during my long wasted teens.

After the downfall, Sauron's spirit flees back to Mordor where he takes up the Ring that he left in Barad Dur during his confinement in Numenor. He then attacks Anarion and Isildur not long after they begin the founding of Gondor which leads to the formation of the Last Alliance.

You have earned another subscriber through your lore videos. they are excellent Keep them coming Please, I can't wait for more.

Awesome videos, I've learned so much from these! Keep up the good work :D

I think that it would have been great if you commented also the fact that the kings used to retire of their throne and die before becoming old and decayed, dying in a small lapse of time, and there was one king that because of his fear of death refused to yield his throne... Another great thing you omitted was the fact regarding the posibility of see the isle of avalone from numenor, and the voyages in search of the hidden path, and the subsequent acces to valinor before die of some mariners... Also about amandil and the question about how much he influenced the salvation of the faithful and the mistery of his destine. Well, thats all I think the tale of numenor is amazing.

just gonna say this its a great pleasure to watch your videos i could watch and listen to you non-stop and thank you for making videos even tho you do not earn nothing(cant live of it) and going the trouble recording and uplouding them it would mean a lot to me if you could see this so i can britten your day like you do for me every time you release a video.Really thank you and you deserve all the subs on the world ps:sorry if i misspelled something eng is not my 1st language

42:00 sauron for motivational speaker lol

Excellent video. One correction: Earendil was not an Edain as you state. Earendil is half-man and half-man. His mother was Idril, daughter of Turgon.

This is incredible! I've recently become interested in the deeper bits of Tolkien's work (studying his depth of world building) and I feel terribly drawn to Numenor...can't really explain why. I will definitely subscribe and check out more of your videos.

Loved the video. Some Númenoreans fell to the Dark side in total, didn't they? The Black Númenoreans? What is their story?

Omf you do lore videos too !? I thought you only make awsome mods 😂😂 fantastic mate

Actually Earendil was half human half elf, his father was Tuor, an edain of the house of Hador and his mother was Idris, the elven princess of Gondolin, daughter of Turgon. Elwing was the granddaughter of Beren, an edain of the house of Beor, and Luthien, daughter of the elven King Thingol of Doriath and the Maia Melian.

Their is speculation from Randal Carlson that their was global destruction around the time of the younger dryas. And it’s from this that people like Graham Hancock are challenging the main stream academics by saying that we are a race with amnesia, we’ve literally forgotten something along the way and that we a race far older than what is said in the history books. It’s all very fascinating.

Elrond- my dad became a star...what's your dad do? Plumbing? Thought so

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great content!

This video is old, but if you still read comments then read this one: Atlantis was probably at current day Azores arquipelago and it had an empire spanning much of the Atlantic Ocean basin. During the Pleistocene, the period when the Azores were higher up in elevation (not only because of sea level but also because of plate uplifting), there was a sizable land mass there on the Azores region and its size was somewhere in between Iberia and Anatolia. Its culture was far more advanced than our current culture, but its foundations were based on an ethereal form of energy rather than material energy like we use it today (petrol, coal). This energy is called Vril by some, and the Atlanteans could harness its infinite power to build wondrous things without harming the environment. Unfortunately, nothing lasts forever and Atlantis did fall. However, just like Numenor, it left behind vestiges of its existence. The cultures I personally believe were descendant from Atlantis on a direct or indirect form are the old kingdom egyptians, summerians and norte chico civilization You should check out the Atlantean Gardens channel or read Robert Sepher's books about it if you find this matter interesting.

From what I have read in books with legends of ancient Greece there are many similarities between Atlantis and Numenor. First of all the geometric placing of both islands is similar in the fact that Atlantis is located on the west side of "The Pillars of Heracle"(Hercules) which is the mythological representation for Gibraltar Strait which means that the lost island was situated in the Atlantic Ocean (named so because of it) located S-W from Europe and W from Africa. There's a little known fact that at the west of the island of Atlantis there was another Continent named Lemuria (which also got "lost"/ disappeared similar tho the way that Aman was hidden from men in Tolkien's mythos) and 5 other islands. The people of Atlantis where people selected from all races of man here on Earth: white, red (ancient Egyptians), yellow and black similar to the way Numenor was founded by The Three Houses of Edain; In the Atlantis mythos it is stated that the atlantiens were favored by the Olimpic Pantheon, the gods gave them of long life, clairvoyance, and many mysterious or magical abilities that other men knew not. The island was under the protection of Poseidon and the atlanteans worshiped him alongside many other gods similar to Athens who's main protector was Athena but there were temples dedicated to the other gods. The atlanteans grew powerful and mighty and desired to conquer all men with their large fleet (the largest and best of all fleets in the world at that time), so it is presumed that they attacked Athens and lost (at about 9500 B.C.) after that Atlantis was lost ..."and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island" ( at about that time the continent of Lemuria and it's "fair", tall, powerful and magical people vanished also) While I was watching your video I was amazed by the similarities between Atlantis and Numenor as well as their differences and You asked if anyone knew more about this subject, this is what i remembered and i hope it helps you in some way to understand the inspiration behind Tolkien's world.

love these lore vidoes.

love your videos!

The Island of Elenna also sounds an awful lot like an actual fabled island in our own world, a place called Hy Brasil; which I certainly hope you have heard about. :D Also, there is a crap load of LotR Anime because it takes almost no talent to draw in that particular art style. Also, regarding Atlantis. Plato Claimed that the Gods rained fire down on them and sunk the island for becoming greedy and pursuing immoral things. So yes it is Elenna is basically Atlantis lol

Galu, what's your take on the biggest host ever assembled? I know it is widely believed to be the Host of The Valar in the end of the first age, but the fact that Manwe had to ask for Eru's intervention upon the site of the Numenorean host leads me to believe that Ar Pharazon's army was the largest ever seen on Arda.

Wonderful video honouring the greatest work of fiction in modern times. Regarding your question on the similarity to the tale of Atlantis, the similarities are striking. I'm not sure if someone else here has answered the questions for you, but Solon, Plato's familial predecessor who, I think 200 years before Plato (450 BC), travelled to Egypt and there first learned of Atlantis, was clear that it was a moral degradation that corrupted that great land. Tolkien extrapolates what would corrupt a society if it had gained everything it could save one thing, and was doomed to stare at that thing to its west, every day, without hope of attaining it: immortality. In Plato's account, the nation of Atlantis had a special connection with Poseidon, god of the sea. He was their patron lord. A great statue of him stood in the heart of their capital which was named after him. Atlanteans were passionate about horses which were the favoured animal of Poseidon. And in the end, it was Poseidon that initiated the laying to waste of Atlantis. This is clearly a reference to Ulmo's influence in the tale of Elenna. The kings of Atlantis (which was divided into 9 realms, but was originally many more because for some time it had been subject to cataclysms earlier in its history that had destroyed parts of it), became ever more desirous of material things. They extended themselves to conquer all the lands they could round about the Atlantic and then made military and exploratory forays into the Mediterranean, subjugating all of the coastal societies, save one; the ancestors of the Greeks. Plato says that ancestors of the Greeks alone withstood the might of Atlantis and staved off the enslavement of all the lands of the Mediterranean sea. But then in a single day and night while the battle was being fought, the entire island nation was devoured by the sea, and so were their forces in the Mediterranean at the time, and much of the force of those Antediluvian Greeks. Plato states that Solon was told this all happened 9000 years before his time, which works out to 11,000 years before the present. Incidentally, long before humans are understood (at this time) to have created stable centralist nations and cultures. I am therefore reminded of Ar-Pharazon setting foot on the shores of Aman and at once being swallowed up. Just switch to the other side of the world. Tolkien would have been fully aware of this tale from Plato's Timaeus and Critias. I find it difficult to believe Atalante to be a coincidence. If we keep in mind what Tolkien was doing, which was creating a mythology of England that could explain it's present, provide a secret history, integrate plausible, fully fleshed-out ancestral languages of English, and integrate European and other mythology into a coherent whole that would then gain a sense of realism, a sense of gravity in it's solution that to this day enchants us all, then you are forced to realise that this must all have been deliberate. And I thank god we have it because it has enriched our lives.

Love these stories Arachir

Elrond and Elros are descendants of all three houses of the Edain: Beor, Haleth, and Hador, and all three clans of the elves: Vanyar, Noldor, Teleri, and a descendant of Melian the Maia, so there is actually alot coming in which is basically the opposite of incest.

hey awesome video but just wanted to let you know I found a bunch of awesome lotr wallpapers or backgrounds that would be great for loading screens

Please do a video on melkor or the evils of the first age!

Actually, Earendil is a Half-Elf and chose to be an elf like Elrond did

The Númenorians, like Melkor before them, turned against Eru Ilúvatar even though they had direct knowledge of him (although you could argue that the generations that did turn against him were many years from direct knowledge) for the same reasons Adam & Eve and Lucifer before them turned against God even though they had direct knowledge of Him. Tolkien is telling the same story in a different way..

Numenor: Tell me you’re Atlantis, without telling me you’re Atlantis- I’ll go first.

I was counting seconds for this video and it was amazing thank you so much for doing these vids I just have one question and I hope you give me a clear answer and that is where and what are the sun lands???

great. thx maestro

just realized that the begining of the story of Sauron being captured is very similar to got's reek/Bolton story

Good vid'

Atlanteans became greedy with power and domination. They used their technology to wage war with Athens, the favorite city of the Gods. They proclaimed themseves to be "as strong as the Athenean Gods" and when the Athenean navy tried to fight back in the name of their Gods, they where obliterated by Atlantean technology (it is stated that the Atlanteans would use "sun-rays" to burn the Athenean ships). This angered the Gods and in one night they sent "fire and earthquakes" and sunk the island.

One thing I've always found hard to take seriously is the idea that 2 powerful kingdoms (and yes, I know Arnor was probably pretty much "under-powered" from the start) could be set up from one small faction of the original Numenoreans, coming to Middle Earth in a bunch of ships. I know there were already some Dunedain settled there, but still, the numbers don't add up. They then are able to contribute substantially to the armies of the Last Alliance. And even then, after who knows how many were killed in battle, they are *still* able to go back to building up two kingdoms on Middle Earth. I understand their population would have built up in later centuries, but how many people could they have started out with?

Interesting sidenote. Ar-Pharazon defeated Sauron while Sauron was in possession of the One Ring. Seems the ring wasn't all that unstoppable.

According to Plato, Atlantis builds colonies across the western coasts of Europe and the eastern coasts of the Americas, and in the process they push back or slaughter the indigenous people, and the only civilization to oppose them was Athens, and they fought back the Atlanteans until Atlantis loses favor with the gods and is destroyed.

I think the sea elves who you are referring to are the Teleri

I have never done any in=depth research of the legend of Atlantis. But it is never described as having anything to do with the gods. That makes it a bit more real-like, something that could have actually existed. As to the actual location, some say the Azores are near the final resting place of Atlantis. Some say it was actually in the Mediterranean Sea, which was the biggest body of water to most of the civilized western world in those days. Only the Phoenicians reputedly went beyond Gibraltar into the Atlantic Ocean, travelling to Brittannia to get tin, which was needed to make bronze. A strong case could be made that the Island of Thera was actually Atlantis. Though the story was a bit beefed up over the centuries I guess.

Time to get my popcorn and drinks cause it's RELAXING TIIMEE BOIII

Frankly, Sauron is sort of a badass to rebel Eru & there is nothing really wrong in seeking Eternal life...

31:23 not true, ruling queens existed in Europe, but it usually meant that dynasty was in a dead end, lacks a male heir.

Why are comments disabled in the "Lore of Middle-earth: The Ainulindalë: Creation and Related Matters" video?

A couple years behind, but they can't sail beyond the offing

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that morrowinds vardenfall had quite an inspiration ?

Also you can compare the downfalls of antlantis and numoner to doom of valyria in asongoficeandfire

they bit gods that giving they a cool island!

May I ask, is the short story in The Peoples of Middle Earth about the village of Agar and their encounter with the Númenóreans considered "canon", or did Tolkien explicitly say that its not? I've wondered that for quite a bit now. I found their explanation for their ship's Black Sails quite interesting. Also you said that Sauron was killed after the Akallabêth and did not return until the Third Age, but he came back during the War of the Last Alliance, right?. Maybe you meant his physical body was destroyed, I'm not sure if he actually had a physical body at the time or not. Probably a silly question and I'm just hearing/remembering things wrong.

I don't know whether I read this somewhere or whether I got this connection solely based on resemblance, but isn't Sorontil just a different name for Thorondor in other language? What does it mean.

Endor is also found in thee "Good" Book Thee King James Version 1611 (Silvan Elves)

I am finding it difficult to place where men awoke and where they dwelt before they joined the Valar in the War of Wrath. Can anyone shed light as to how the men were before the time of Numenor?

Earendil is not human, he is half elf, but he also had some godly blood in himself from Lutien herself.. Those few half elves that ever been born had a special gift, they could decide if they want to be an elf or human. Earendil and his son Elrond decided to be elves, but Elros (also Earendil's son, and Elrond's brother) decided to be human. Earendil had silmaril in his possession on his journey to Valinor, same one that Beren and Lutien acquired from Morgot himself. It is truth that he was the first to come to Valinor, after the curse of Mandos, and it is said that it was possible that the light of the silmaril helped him not to be killed.

Regarding Aragorn marrying his cousin... it's ok to marry your cousin if you are 5000 times removed :D (give or take a few 100 or maybe a 1000 )

whats the music at the start called?

Honestly, wouldnt anime/animation be a half way decent medium to use if you were to try and produce a Silmarillion movie?

He sounds just like Faramir to me, especially when he says the places like Hyarnustar, it sounds so pretty & I feel like faramir is speaking 🤷‍♀️

I love your comment on the fact that there's SO much freaking anime of the First Age. It's so irritating to try to look for photos and only see anime. I just don't understand why that attracts so many anime fans.

I want to know the Final battle that you speak of ?? is this battle where Valar capture Melkor and lock him up somewhere far away ?

how many languages did Tolkien make? Quenya, Sindarin, Khuzdul, and this adunaic or whatever it is. I know they aren't all complete, but still, it's a lot.

They say Elwë was the greatest leader of his time save for Mon Tanna and Maerino.

ive watched a documentary about atlantis they say that zeus came to the men their saw they were eating meat and cannibalism which pissed him off then he sunk atlantis

im going to play a D&D game where half-elves are reflavored to be Numenoreans: long lived, more clever, natural leaders but without the elven aesthetic they usually have, and especially without them being offspring of elves and humans. They will be High Men instead, persisting in smaller population numbers throughout the world despite their own homeland being lost. now i just need a group..

Do u have sth on dark numenorians

The map picture is from the "atlas of middle earth"

So if Earandil hadn't gone to Valinor to beg the Valar, would they have just stayed in Aman and done nothing? Cause that's stupid.

28:11 *"I would not be surprised if there was some incest going down in the first age"* **laughs and cries at the same time**

3:29 the lineage of the kings of numenor

I wonder if the Ile of Elenna is geographically possible?

You going to cover the other realms men?

So Sauron went from being a prisoner to becoming a chief advisor. Isn’t that pretty much what Hitler did?

What did you say in last part? In sindarian? And translate to English?

Hey, when will version 1.0 release? 69?

arnt the corsairs of umbar also descendants of Númenor? in the books it refers to them as black Númenor

What is Meneltarma?

What you said about queens was wrong, Catherine the Great was queen of russia, Elizabeth the First is held as one of the greatest monarch in english history, Maria Theresa was Holy roman empress to mention a few.

George R R Martin WISHES he was as good as Tolkien! Minutiae indeed... Tolkien pretty much wrote an entire history of Arda, missing out Elrond's trips to Walmart was probably a wise choice!

It's Arnie.

Ahh, noble Atlantis, oops I mean Numenor.

If the Numenoreans never rebelled would Arathorn and Aragorn be named Tarathorn and Tar-agorn?

Yeah... but unlike europe they were like 1000th cousins at least 800 removed from eachother, magically related but not really genetically lol. Melkor being the first and most powerful leading his Maiar may share similarity mainly with Christianity's fallen angels. Melkor's desire to destroy world and bring back darkness is very in line with destruction Cronos and his titans were believed to bring if released from Tartorus were Melkor essentially is till Dagor Dagorath when the very Olympian vs Titan appearing final showdown will happen.

How does he find out all the information for the lore videos

I think every single monarchy in europe(medieval times) didn´t have female monarchs is kind of an overstatement don´t you think.

Does that mean Ar-Pharazôn and some Númenórean soldiers with him are still alive during the War of the Ring, just trapped in the Caves of the Forgotten?

If they gave Numenor to the hobbits, they would be still living there, isolated. Because hobbits don't even go out of The Shire. Just imagine giving them a whole island!🤔 Not Numenor but Hobbitor😂

Why did the elves get immortality and humans mortality? Was this ever touched on in the books?

What was the real reason for the Ban of the Valar?

Erendis and eldarion. Still a better love story than twilight.

* Lords of Anduine were descendants from eldest daughter of 2 or 3 king of Numenor. The rules were probably changed by 6th or 7th King so his only child a daughter could become queen * Aragorn & Arwen were separated by 25 + 25 generations at-least , really that hint was uncalled for. Its NOT GoT.

why dont the lords have last names? Like did Imrahil have a last name? or did nobody have a last name?

Do this guy talk about shadowfax or the animals of middle earth.

So Morrowind looks like Numenor

I did the math, and Aragorn and Arwen are first cousins, 39 times removed.

Hmm. Maybe I'll put a nation like numenor in my dnd campaign. I'll just have them invade the rest of the world instead of invading the home of the gods.