Are Compact 60% Keyboards Good?

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In this video I go over my journey into 60% mechanical keyboards. These keyboards have no numberpad, F1 through F12 keys, and no arrow keys. How is it possible to use such a small keyboard? This video is part 1 where I just explain the foundation. In part 2, I go into a comparison of the top 3 60% keyboards for beginners!
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@AndyVNguyen 4 жыл бұрын

Part 2 - Anne Pro 2 vs. Vortex Pok3r vs. Ducky One 2 Mini video will be up on the channel tomorrow! Make sure you click the notification bell so you don't miss it!

@beaubastion 3 жыл бұрын

For anyone really turned off by the lack of dedicated arrow keys, there are a fair number of 65% keyboards

@smartmeis Жыл бұрын

I got a 65 but I find myself needing the numpad in a few games I play, plus I need f1-12 for other games. I hate remapping lol

@2nd_boiledtea867 Жыл бұрын

Not in iso layout tho :(

@beaubastion Жыл бұрын

@@2nd_boiledtea867 while I can't relate you have my sympathy, friend 😔

@2nd_boiledtea867 Жыл бұрын

@@beaubastion i mean i like 65% i use iso de layout and i dont find to much of them

@SuperKMao 2 жыл бұрын

This popped up on my KZfaq feed today. You've come a long way dude.

@tjmethven2074 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great video super helpful, I just got my first 60 keyboard and I'm still learning how to use the remapped keys. I don't know what some of the keys like "G6" mean or like "PU" or "PD" I still have some more learning ahead of me but I'm making some good progress with my knowledge base.

@antw0ny 4 жыл бұрын

damn, underrated channel, this video made me decide to buy a 60%

@AndyVNguyen 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you zyngo! What board did you end up going with?

@antw0ny 4 жыл бұрын

Andy V Nguyen GMMK Glorious Compact. I love it and the extra desk space. Also, when swapping out switches, I need to pay less money

@AndyVNguyen 4 жыл бұрын

@@antw0ny Great choice! Consider upgrading and/or tuning the stabilizers on that thing and you'll have an amazing starter hotswap board.

@antw0ny 4 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen sounds good 👍

@EinstienJr 3 жыл бұрын

@@antw0ny Hey how does it work out in case of gaming etc?

@Auraphyne 3 жыл бұрын

Hey thank you so much I was searching for a video like this and it's perfect, i am gonna get a 60 keyboard now gk61 gateron yellow

@kobusdewet 20 күн бұрын

Great video! Thanks so much!

@altodomino7859 26 күн бұрын

Very comprehensive video my friend

@MyurrDurr 2 жыл бұрын

Recently got a Alloy Origins 60 and I really love it! I'm still trying to get used to using the desktop switching shortcut in Windows with this layout!

@kechi122 3 жыл бұрын

This video answered every question I had about 60% keyboards. Thank you!

@edwardhoffenheim3249 3 жыл бұрын

This comment answered every question I had about the video. Thank you

@summerpinguin6273 3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 This Reaction answered every question I had about thid comment. Thank you!

@zyxzz 2 жыл бұрын

@@summerpinguin6273 This reply answered every question i had in life. Thank you!

@hqzzard 2 жыл бұрын

@@zyxzz This reply to a reply on a comment on a youtube video helped me find out everything in the universe

@T16skyhopp 3 жыл бұрын

Best arrow layout for me, is if you use the bottom right key as FN, then you can hold that with your pinky and alt, win, ctrl and ? become arrows.

@seanmoore4721 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful

@PatrickPGriego 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clearing it up. I just bought the new Keychron K8 TKL keyboard and then I started doing a lot of mechanical keyboard research and I’m considering a custom build. It’s been hard to hear some opinions on how to deal without arrow keys.

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

in the smaller boards without arrow keys, arrow keys are mapped to IJKL. it's actually not that bad when you get used to it.

@nerdbit84 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Congrats

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@brandonr27 3 жыл бұрын

I just got mine, and it honestly feels much better than my full-sized keyboard. I have noticed zero lag, and it is perfectly usable for pc gaming.

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

nice! the hardest thing for people to get used to is just the arrows mainly

@zyxzz 2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen F1-F12 with me

@1030k 3 жыл бұрын

thats very informative... thanks. 1st time using 60% keyboard also

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

I use 60% keyboards primarily now

@nguyenhoangminhtrung2779 2 жыл бұрын

I have an Akko Mod005 fully mod at home for gaming, works. But my daily driver is actually a modded Anne Pro 2 with Tealios V2 because it's lighter, smaller, and more muted for the office.

@MisfireKB Жыл бұрын

Had to revisit this one for the culture

@AndyVNguyen Жыл бұрын

my origin story

@cagedtigersteve 2 жыл бұрын

I use my Esc, The ~ the functions, Scroll lock and print screen buttons. I don't use the Pause/Break that often.

@SoraTheKobold 2 жыл бұрын

Tbh all the games I play either don't use arrow keys or have a controller option I use instead so I'm really considering getting one of these

@astralalex4888 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought a hyper x 60%. Really looking forward to trying it, I’m coming from an apple magic keyboard so it sounds the best for me when moving to pc for apex & Final Fantasy XIV… Sick video bro

@prospectorstudios 2 жыл бұрын

2021 here, interesting to see you pre-rabbithole

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

blast from the past

@aguy2765 2 жыл бұрын

I'm probably the one of the only people that does this but I got rid of having a number pad because I solely only use MMO mice. Reason being is because I have my whole top row of numbers or number keypad in the palm of my hand, literally, whenever I want. If only there were other choices for MMO mice other than Corsair and Razer that looked more aesthetically pleasing and didn't have a logo slapped right in the middle of it lol.

@MoinMeister_187 3 жыл бұрын

So i was originally going to get a TKL but after this video I felt like going for a 65 since I dont need the numpad but I would still want the arrow keys. Really nice review, helped me making my decision a lot easier :)

@chandupaperera44 2 жыл бұрын

But it will be harder to find good keycaps to fit for 65 .

@MoinMeister_187 2 жыл бұрын

@@chandupaperera44 So far I've stuck with the standard ones idk its been fine so no worries about that atm

@chandupaperera44 2 жыл бұрын

@@MoinMeister_187 i recommend you to upgrade to a PBT keycap set. they are a lot high quility than ABS. my recommendation is 65% pbt pudding keycaps. but yea its ok if you stick to the stock one but a 60% will definitely have more good looking keycaps.

@ahmaddenis8665 2 жыл бұрын

Is arrow keys important?

@MoinMeister_187 2 жыл бұрын

@@ahmaddenis8665 Not really, but theyre convenient if you have used them before, like for skipping in Videos/streams etc.

@SevenDeMagnus Жыл бұрын

Cool, arrows keys are important and more efficient but interesting some have mastered the shortcut keys for the arrow keys. Not a fan of 3rd function in one key (two functions is best, three's a crowd, as they say) using the FN combo. Apple's Magic Keyboard did the w/ arrow keys still but still at 60% keyboard best, though I think manufacturers of 60% like Apple could make it taller so the keys have more space and can have more keys at the top, plus make the arrows keys larger. Apple's Magic Keyboard is one of the best keyboards (also saves the planet by optimizing the materials used) which'll also allow the enter key could be twice as big in the L shape, like keyboards from before. God bless.

@viejolesbiano3752 2 жыл бұрын

Got my hyperx alloy origins 60 yesterday and it feels great

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

nice! how's the transition to no arrows?

@dylanangkw 2 жыл бұрын

I've been worried as I really use arrow keys, but you have helped me to realize it's still okay. As I'm building a keyboard, I'm thinking of buying the Tofu60!

@kevinchen1634 2 жыл бұрын

depending on Ur pcb u can prob still have arrow keys if u need

@byroxkdk7056 Жыл бұрын

i recently got a fantech maxfit61 60% keyboard. And i am struggling to remap the capslock+IJKL to arrow keys. I am fairly new to mechanical keyboards so i couldn't understand most of the terminologies when searching about it on the web. What can I use to remap em?

@Disharmony 2 жыл бұрын

There are some 60% PCBs with arrow keys (unofficially referred to as 63%).

@mainly_dyutish9 3 жыл бұрын

So underrated channel I just subscribed I am going to buy keychrone K2 V2 but one girl ytber said it doesn't worth it in 2021 so I though of getting geek sk64

@kickskii Жыл бұрын

I have big ass desk So I have two keyboards one a 60% and one a full size I use the full size for macros and the numpad when needed and 60% when I need to do everything else

@HikingFeral Жыл бұрын

60 percenters are my fave and I am trying my best to adapt to them when playing mmo's with large amounts of skills like ff14, I have no easy to press function keys and no numpad, so have been binding a lot of letters not in use. I don't want to have to swap back.

@AndyVNguyen Жыл бұрын

Honestly if I have to play an MMO I’d grab a 75% lol.

@smartmeis Жыл бұрын

I hate remapping keys, lol I need my f1-12 and number pad. The 1800 layout is best. But I bought a 65% cause my rk100 broke. But I’m looking at new pcbs cause I miss my 35ng gateron white keys.

@keymot1491 3 жыл бұрын

How can I access the f1-f12 or even the esc key? cuz i use volume up-volume down bright up-bright down all the time I’m thinking about buying rk71 and this is the only turn off for me

@adminbosskiller4010 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t have an answer to your question, but I’m here to say that there is an esc button on 60% keyboards, I have thought about the different types, and I’m actually getting a Full size keyboard than can turn into a TKL keyboard.

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

F1 through F12 are layered using a function key.

@Robert.a._ 3 жыл бұрын

A good 60% would be the K65 60% RGB keyboard from Corsair. They have cherry MX speed silver switches and in my opinion, the best looking 60% keyboard. However, I decided to go TKL, with the G915 TKL in tactile switches.

@rajjethwa7163 3 жыл бұрын

Nah a good 60% would be a hot swappable one , where switches can be changed nearly the same as changing keycaps. Just buy switches , no need to buy another keyboard eveyrtime

@jowee147 2 жыл бұрын

Just bought a 60% bc I had a tkl for years and loved the extra space plus can't use a numpad anyway so I figured I might as well take the plunge now I'm stuck trying to figure out entirely new hotkey layouts for my rts games and Diablo 2 :(

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

I usually try to do alt+# for those games

@ianhua4277 2 жыл бұрын

my personal favourite 60% keyboard is the Razer huntsmen mini

@acantha2615 2 жыл бұрын

I play mmos so for me the lack of the f1 etc buttons is a big minus. but I really don't need the number pad and arrows. I agree with the arguments mentioned in the video. it takes up too much space. I bought my first keyboard 3 years ago and back then I honestly had no clue what I'm doing. I have green switches and oh god the space bar x.x... I'm kinda torn. don't want to purchase a new keyboard and then have restrictions

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

there's 75% keyboards available, check those out!

@acantha2615 2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen I literally just found that out haha thank you for your help!

@Spirals_ 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you i was looking for a new keyboard and I was worried if I got the 60% keyboard I wanted I wouldent be able to use many things since I didnt have f1-f12 Forgot i could macro them.

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

yeah! definitely. 60% looks daunting but it's not too bad if you take some time to learn it

@idkwhoiam8232 2 жыл бұрын

The function keys is the main things.

@Flipped_In 2 жыл бұрын

i still hit the side of my keyboard with a 65% lol

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

damn your sens must be superrr low lol. prob need to angle too

@smievil Жыл бұрын

it's kind of convenient to have arrow keys with jkl buttons, but sometimes it gets clunky, similar combinations of keys may have other functions.

@AndyVNguyen Жыл бұрын

Def true. If I need to get fancy with those I honestly… change keyboards to a bigger size lol

@TopPalmTree 3 жыл бұрын

I buy one today and I happy

@ollia69 Жыл бұрын

I bought one today and I am happy* 😃🤝🏻

@account8494 2 жыл бұрын

Is it cheaper to buy a 60% keyboard or to buy all the parts and assemble it on my own?

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

a prebuilt 60% will be cheaper but wont be as good as a custom 60%

@trantung2237 3 жыл бұрын

I’m new to custom keyboard and I’m just wondering how can I customize my keys in a custom keyboard that doesn’t have a software for itself?

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

There’s software you can download to remap. The limitation is that it only works while you have the program active

@IndellableHatesHandles 3 жыл бұрын

Autohotkey

@thaylon1626 2 жыл бұрын

Alguém sabe como digitar aspas duplas e um teclado 60% no padrão Abnt 1?

@backoo9660 Жыл бұрын

For first. Speak english in english video or no one will respond

@andrewweber3286 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like I could maybe get used to not having Arrow keys, but I feel like I use delete a lot when I’m working. Losing that might be a bigger issue

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with you. I try to map it under backspace usually

@gambitgambitgambit 2 жыл бұрын

65% is the sweet spot, i personally dont understand why someone would go for less than this but fair play if you can make it work

@LuccDev 2 жыл бұрын

In my case it was because the 65% or TKL was out of stock lel

@brobber05 5 ай бұрын

well im convinced! lol

@AndyVNguyen 5 ай бұрын

Since this video the technology for em has blown up lol

@brobber05 5 ай бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen true

@ilikehiking 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 60% keyboard but I ended up never really using it even after programming it properly with modifiers/layers. It's just too much of a compromise in productivity imo. I've tried 60/65/75/tkl and 75% ended up being the sweetspot for me.

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

definitely, i often switch to a bigger board for when i'm working

@Mirsab 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, interested in getting a 60 now. I wanted a TKL but with red switches or at least brown but blue switches are the one I keep finding 😭. So decided to compromise and go with 60 for reds.

@tyvampn 2 жыл бұрын

i use 60 cuz my hands small as shit lmao

@varifity5011 2 жыл бұрын

Can anyone help me out, if i buy a 60% keyboard do i have to plug a new one in to use f1 keys

@AndyVNguyen 2 жыл бұрын

You use layers for f keys

@anthonyt219 11 ай бұрын

I never used the number keys, and rarely used the arrow keys and even f keys. So i think 60 percent suits me alot. All i do is write and watch youtube anyways

@aust1nio 3 жыл бұрын

How do you use the f1 keys extra

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

Hold a function key and hit the numrow. Function+1 = F1, Function+2 = F2, and so on.

@siwkskwkekems224 3 жыл бұрын

I dont like 60% keyboards because they dont have the actual F keys and it annoys me i dont wanna press FN everytime especially because some of my keybinds are the F keys makes it difficult in game

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely a valid reason to want f keys

@siwkskwkekems224 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen yeah if i could just get rid of the numpad and arrow keys but keep the F keys i would

@bn31l91 3 жыл бұрын

@@siwkskwkekems224 umm there is one way to get the f keys but no numpad its the 75% keyboard you should get it

@Missingnin69 3 ай бұрын

Where it all started... I love seeing the gradual descent into the rabbithole (tho fr the blogs were cool)

@AndyVNguyen 3 ай бұрын

They were fun for a time, but no one really watched them lol

@ryanholmes7431 Жыл бұрын

How do u use the @ button

@AndyVNguyen Жыл бұрын

Using shift… like every keyboard in the world? lol

@alchercraft7014 3 жыл бұрын

And my question just one How to press the @?

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

shift + 2 like.. anyone other keyboard

@liepziede 3 жыл бұрын

I need arrow keys to play firegirl waterboy.

@rave90210 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t u customise controls??

@duhieutran 3 жыл бұрын

@@rave90210 yep you can.

@jov1645 3 жыл бұрын

i duno why but i type very slow on 60% percent keyboard lol

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

lol that's weird.. it's the same keys layout for the alphas

@jov1645 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen the first coment are wrote on 60% keyboard and it realy broken right? (lol). i think it happened because i have pretty long fingers and no palm rest

@zx6972 3 жыл бұрын

I would prefer a 65 or a 75. The arrow keys are so useful in writing documents

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

i usually map the arrow keys on a second layer and it's not too difficult. but that's definitely a valid point

@VickyGYT 24 күн бұрын

I am not a big fan of 60%. I like 75% keyboards more because they work equally well on Win and Mac OSes

@Zukua_ 3 жыл бұрын

1:13 the lamp moves

@TuberzTv 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been looking at it, for the whole video xD

@tyundays 3 жыл бұрын

It didn’t move, it’s just a cut between scenes and he probably adjusted ot

@stoiandavidandrei2232 3 жыл бұрын

how i use arrow keys

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

They’re usually under a layer. You hold a key and you press other keys to do arrows

@spitfire7914 2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen damn, then it must be difficult to play games without arrow keys

@loganpierce4070 4 жыл бұрын

I cant focus on the content itself😭

@roninstormYT 3 жыл бұрын

i own a 60% royal kludge 60% keyboard they suck assss owning my for 4 years now i am seeing the flaws the keyboard is starting not too work the red light is flickering so my board is goign bad my usb cable does not work sometimes. some keys are causing my too have input delay in games making my precedence worse when i used too used a 10 tkl keyboard those was my best time in gaming cause i never had problems with my 10 tkl keyboard but when i moved on too my 605 keyboard i know there problems and flaus i been tricky by the internet and big KZfaqr influencers. who told lies about these smaller size keyboards . i miss my 10 tkl keyboard i tend too go back to my tkl keyboard over my 60% my 60% is dying and not working anymore .

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

sounds like a single situation in which one 60% board (a very cheap one) started falling apart. Has nothing to do with the form factor but rather the manufacturer.

@sadmanrakin 3 жыл бұрын

You have been using it for 4 years! its normal it would start to show flaws

@adgeifc Жыл бұрын

Themoreyouknow

@stofaa_ Жыл бұрын

unless you paly starcraft 2 lol

@tej8455 3 жыл бұрын

1:37 minecraft player am i a joke to u ?

@baldclaim 3 жыл бұрын

Gta sanAndreas uses the no. Pad

@AndyVNguyen 3 жыл бұрын

you can buy a separate numpad if you really want but yeah some games don't really work with a 60%

@jimmyhopkins1 Жыл бұрын

Only for flying vehicles so just use a controller when flying and stuff .

@ToxicallyMasculinelol Жыл бұрын

get a keyboard with layers. all the OEM keyboards are lousy imo. corsair, razer, logitech, whatever, they are all overpriced, are not ergonomic, and lack layers. if you care about ergonomics, you probably want a split keyboard with tenting. if you're used to qwerty or dvorak, then get a UHK 60 v2 or an ergodox. I've heard some good things about kinesis boards. same with the ZSA moonlander. those are all good options. in the long term you would probably benefit from graduating to an ortholinear keyboard. or a keyboard with curved keywells like the dactyl manuform. there are a lot of examples on the ErgoMechKeyboards subreddit