That's a good point. I would love to see where those Garrards are being made. I don't believe they are new old stock, though I did see a comment on a video a while back where someone suggested there was a warehouse full of motors they were just using up. I don't think they had any evidence. I suspect it was more feasible to them than the idea new ones are being made. Thanks 😀 👍

Never come across a 'Little Sailor' soundbox. Have to look out for one of those! Very interesting story, though. Reminds me, the other day, someone at a car boot sale told me they had seen a whole stall full of what must have been new old stock gramophone motors about 20 years ago. I also remember that about 25 years ago, several crates of Ilford branded cameras appeared from the back of an old warehouse, and for a while, it was possible to buy a new one of those. Thanks 😀 👍

@@mrrgstuff New old stock is always a great find. In the 1970's someone bought a radio & TV shop in Hull & was fascinated by the collection of old components, even catswhisker crystal detectors! Hope they found a good home!

So far, I have not found a repro which actually uses old parts, though I have certainly seen photos of them. Would be nice to add to my collection one day. Most of my machines are proper vintage, though 😅. Thanks 😀 👍

Glad you enjoyed watching my videos. I very much enjoy making them and have several more in production. Building gramophones is great fun, but yes, the motor mechanism is the hardest part. Some very early gramophones were hand cranked continuously, they didn't have a spring. These aren't too difficult to build. Here is one I did: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h71oe5OQsN3Ulok.html It's also relatively easy to add an electric motor to this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/na6qi81-yNvSop8.html Thanks again, and hope you enjoy my future videos too! 👍😀

Oi tudo bem, sou do Brasil, encontrar um gramofone original aqui é muito raro. Achamos aos milhares os fabricados na Índia, gostaria de manter algum contato contigo, para que eu veja suas técnicas de montagem de gramofone. Eu possuo várias peças, estou reconstruindo alguns gramofones. ❤

Possibly the sharp rim on the platter could damage a record. A thick platter/turntable mat would certainly help. Thanks 😀 👍

Yes, there are videos on KZfaq as recently as 2017 showing new machines being made up with Garrard style motors. I would love to see where they are being made. I don't believe they are new old stock. Thanks 😀 👍

Genuine Garrard platters will have Garrard on the back, though the fake ones don't. Soundboxes are fairly easily moved around machines so aren't a reliable indicator of the manufacturer of the machine. It's true, though, that if you found a HMV 102 platter on an external horn machines it would be a sure sign not everything was as it should be. Thanks 😀 👍

I have, and I know there are a few videos on KZfaq about them. They do look great fun. Original ones are hard to come by, but modern copies are made. Apparently, the copies don't fold up properly, so all the parts don't fit into the tin. Have you had a chance to look at one?

It's the motors, which are the really tricky part, and I'm sure many poor condition portables have been broken up to provide the parts. In the end, though, it is just economies of scale, and building motors from scratch becomes viable if you need a lot of them at a known price. It has been suggested that Garrard actually had a factory there, and these modern examples are just a continuation of vintage production. I would love to find out! Thanks 😀 👍

And I heard a sound while it’s playing a 78 recording, it sounded like static but it’s not so loud and it happens when I play 78s records, is that ok? And sorry I got a lot of questions, I just don’t want to destroy my precious 78s

The black stuff on the stylus may just be dirt from the groove. Although black dust on a gramophone soundbox needle can indicate the revord is wearing, personally, I think it is unlikely a modern cartridge and stylus would wear the record. Even a cheap Crosley style one which is ceramic will only track at about 5g. A gramophone soundbox will track at over 100g.

Assuming your 78s are standard shellac types, then I think there is more chance of the stylus getting damaged than the record. Difficult to say what the noise is. Could be an area of dirt on the record. Could be a slightly warped record. If you upload a video, would be interesting to hear, but I think it is unlikely to be a significant issue

I think it very much depends on why you are considering it. It won't play better than a 101 or a 102, but if you have somewhere to put it, it's a nice table top machine, and I think has a bigger motor so won't require as much winding. As I already have a Victrola VV-IX, I don't have a need for one myself, but only you can really say if you need it 🤔

I think that I have an early fake one. Is has a Thorens No. 7 motor and the HMV 5B sound box. So you could be right. But I am not sure about it being fake. It is just my guess...

@@Oribaa90 HMV did make open horn gramophones until 1932, but the ones that they made did not look exactly like traditional ones. They did have orthophonic and No.4 sound boxes though. they were called the models 31, 32, and 33.

Yes, the volumes made now means the reuse of old machines is no longer viable. Thanks 😀 👍

And EMG and Expert, I think, made external horns machines up into the late 1940s

The 5B soundbox could just be a later addition 🤔

I guess this is the perfect explanation.

There is good evidence that in the past, old portables were turned into fake horn machines, hence why the story still persists. These fakes were rather better quality than modern ones and sold for more. Restoring portables would not have been as cost effective as they were less desirable and would potentially have required a complete case recover as the rexine would be damaged. Many machines were produced in India. HMV shipped motors and other metal parts in. Maybe Garrard motors and other parts were made locally. I agree it never would have made sense for machines to be bought via ebay for this purpos. However, it would have been this local supply of machines which was being used. Of course, things have clearly moved on. Modern fakes are 100% new parts, though it's likely that any spare vintage gramophone motor that came to light now would be reused for something, so I expect composite machines are still being made in small quantities. Thanks 😀 👍

They are not recycling old parts. That just makes zero sense. There has not been a new gramophone made in the West since the 1950s and not in very large numbers since the 1930s. There is simply not enough old used parts laying around to be purchased in bulk. If they did have access to old gramophones, why not just repair the old one? They would be worth more. Gramophones are basically 19th century technology. They are made in relatively small quantities (but still too large for using used parts) using relatively simple machines and mostly by hand. They are just poor quality copies of the originals.

@@tarstarkusz True, there hasn't been a new gramophone made in the West since the 1950's. One has to look to the East...in India, where most of the new gramophones sold on ebay come from. Nobody said anything about purchasing used parts in bulk, but rather buying one old portable phonograph at a time and taking it apart, recycling some of the parts for the creation of a new gramophone. These new gramophones are likely created by craftsmen from small scale businesses and just like in the old days, made by hand using simple tools...recycling old phonograph parts makes their work much easier. And yes, there are crude gramophone reproductions made entirely by hand, including the motor. The examples in the video is evidence presented to us that phonograph parts are being used on some reproduction gramophones whether it makes sense to you or not. Only those familiar with authentic antique gramophones can tell the difference between a reproduction and the real thing. The guy that made the video is one such individual. Have a nice day.

Only today I spoke to some people at an antique fair and had to explain to them that the machine they were looking at was 100% fake, no vintage parts whatsoever. They had been fooled by the HMV logo, and to be honest its very rare in the UK to actually see a real horn machine to compare to. Certainly, in the past, machines were made up with various vintage parts, but less so now, and not in the case of the type of cheap fake I show in the video. Thanks 😀 👍

@@neilgoloy3582 This is not economically feasible. Buying one at a time with a skilled artisan making a new unit would drive the price way higher than they actually sell for. Furthermore, within the same economy, it is nearly always more efficient to restore something than to make something new out of some old parts. A professionally restored HMV or Victrola is worth multiples of a new clone out of India. There are youtube channels devoted to small scale quasi mass production manufacturing in places like India. It is very likely that the whole things are nothing but new poorly made parts. The old ones were not made by skilled artisans, they were made in factories to mass manufacturing specifications. That's why they are such good quality.

Yes, indeed. There have been fake portables made using similar parts to these fake horn machines, but I have never come across one in the wild, whereas I often see the fake horn ones. Thanks 😀 👍

Indeed 😅. Only reason I bought that portable! Must get it running someday. Thanks 😀 👍

Thanks 👍 😀