As an AFAB enby, I don't identify as or consider myself to be trans. The umbrella model would categorize me as being trans because I am not a cis woman, but that's the only context in which I would identify as trans: if I had to choose to call myself either trans or cis, I am not cis, so I guess I would be trans. Really, though, I don't identify as either trans or cis. Even though I am not a woman, I feel connected to some aspects of womanhood, some experiences of being a woman, and my female body (if not the ways in which people perceive it). But I also realize that some enbies who also identify as trans probably feel these same connections, and that both of us are valid in our identities. I think we can all agree that language is hard.

This was really helpful for me! I've been exploring non-binary as an identity for myself but have felt confused as I don't feel trans (best words I can find is that I feel like a genderless being having a human experience in a female body) but I don't feel cis either and this gives me some more language and context for exploring that complexity rather than trying to diminish it. Thanks Lu!

Language is so sticky when it comes to complex societal and psychological concepts, but I think you've got a really good handle on things here :)

This is so nuanced and practical!! Thank you!! I always used to explain the umbrella model in response to being asked if non binary people are trans, and emphasised the diversity of trans experiences, but that doesn’t explain how to use language to let non-binary-umbrella and genderqueer people know that they’re included.

Thank you for educating me more on the experiences of nb and trans people. I always love your videos, I learn so much about myself and others. Also, you are ROCKING that cut and color! Looks great on you.

I am seeing myself to be under the umbrella model of transness.. however, in recent times, I've been moving in the direction where NB, cis and trans experiences and identities may blur, where we live in a Nonbinary universe to begin with and so people experience queer gender existences that cis, trans and nb labels appear to be more about conservative gazes that box people into gender identities rather than people being able to shape their bodies and aesthetics to allow the person behind the veil to exist.. In my case, I am taking estradiol... But not because I'm female or becoming a female.. but because estradiol actually is giving me mental and emotional breakthroughs that provide me experiences that permit me to experience and verbalize the person Kira behind the veil.. I am not "transgender" in the sense that I want to be any particular gender identity.. my brain and body experience freedom on estradiol.. I'm actually realizing I was born with too much testosterone... I wasn't born male.. I see I was misgendered from birth by being assigned male...

As a non-binary transmasculine person myself, I struggled at first to accept myself as trans and to understand that I can be both trans and non-binary without feeling like an impostor. I identify with maleness in a lot of ways and I wish I could be seen as male but at the same time I see myself existing beyond binary understandings of gender.

Thanks, this definitely clarified some things for myself, and I greatly appreciate that!

what a wonderful video, very informative and easy to follow! congrats :) cheers from Spain

Non-Binary is something Ive had to deal with my entire life. The reason is I was born with a sexual development issue related to germ cell sexual development during gestation. I grew up looking like a pretty boy but I do remembering sitting down on the grass on a hot summer day when I was maybe 4 years old or so. For some reason I passed down on my upper abdomen as hard as I could while thinking to myself that I must be in part a girl too. It felt like I had a baby living in my abdomen. I didn't understand why I felt that way it was simply what I felt and I was really ok with that Idea. I did have some sexual development surgeries as a child and that was a little hard on me. What really was so profound was at age 45 I came down with stage three testicualar - ovarian type cancer. Right under that very same place I was pressing down on as a young child a 17.5 cm mature germ cell teratoma was found. It wasn't just a tumor it had a fetal body of sort, with eyes, skin, bone and even hair. Guess I am both male and female.

Nice to see you again xx

Personally, I’m a non-binary trans masc person. Because I feel gender dysphoria so strongly and prefer to dress in traditionally masculine way (as an AFAB person) I personally consider myself transgender. Though I still don’t feel like a full-on man.

personally the umbrella model would be the best, it's wide and open than the 2nd definition which is quite exclusionary. I think everyone should see transgender by definition an umbrella term which does include nonbinary ppl. And bc it's an umbrella term, that means anyone under it can identify as it to or they don't have to and go by nonbinary or anything else under the nonbinary umbrella. Be a inclusionist not a exclusionist.

Thanks a lot for the answer of the question :)

nice video 😇 i'm enby myself, and trans, because... they both feel applicable to me in my measure! the contrast between the ethos of the "movement", being radically one's own self and not compromising by pouring one's self into one of the Traditional Societal Moulds provided, is like, an intrinsically counterintuitive thing to the ubiquitous, very literal, uncompromising beauracracy of the western world 😆 you know what i mean? i def want that X gender marker though uncle sam does NOT need to know more about what i have going on in my life LOL

i recently learned that a lot of the medical interpretation of transness was developed off of one person's experience (Karl Heinrich Ulrichs). so no wonder it's so limited. i didn't know until i researched it for my undergrad paper on transness in music

101 in binary is 5 in decimal. I recommend to just add more (binary) digits to the "gender" field until everyone can pick the flavor of preference, and this way gender can be kept nice and (multi-digit) binary.

Something i wondered before and even now after watching your great video is how can i not seem like someone with a transmedical mindset when i say „trans and non-binary people“?

This is tricky. I'm NB/Genderqueer and AFAB.. though I can be femme sometimes and I don't want to transition to be a "man", I do want to medically transition and I really want to start taking T. I guess that would make me Trans in the strictest sense of the word.

Wow idk y but the way ya said drink coffee and talk about stuff I went made a cup and got excited like yay fun conversation time

Wow! This video is very interesting! I am a teen Enby and i do think i am Trans to enby :) also dont let these haters get to u!! They just boosting the video haha!

I’m non-binary but i wanna remove my Breast and have a somewhat more masculine body, I’m here because I’m confused about it. 😅

hmmmm.... well... I identify as a gender other than my birth sex, so I am trans... but I am agender, I have no gender, my gender is -?- , if i were trans I would have needed to change my gender from something to something else, correct? but I have deleted my gender and never chosen a new one, so where is the transition? am I trans? to claim the label "trans" feels very like having a gender to me? philosophers please answer because I don't know... (great video BTW)

Nonbinary people do not ascribe to a binary of gender, however, transgender people transition from one gender on the binary to the other hence the word "transgender" it is completely different things. And I know a lot of nonbinary people but I would never consider them transgender as we live and go through completely different experiences in life. Call me a gatekeeper or whatever you want but it is not the same and that is the consensus of several other transgender people, including myself that I know. You all are your own community.

Transgender and non-binary are essentially identitary social terms... Terms which are vague and subjective, somehow also misleading and reductive... It would be preferable to avoid using them since they end up with leading towards paradoxical and confusing conclusions... A difference between the two ways of experiencing oneself nevertheless exist: for example, gender disphoria of strictly "trans" people is binary and is supposed to be treated medically whereas "non binary" people (besides their inclusion in the so called "transgender umbrella") seem not to require any such treatment.. Trans people need to be integrated within the opposite gender category while non binary need to distinguish themselves as a new ungendered category.. They are ultimately two different things which deserve being separated and not being mixed together (beyond any effort to assimilate them in one single category)..

I really do appreciate the fact that you are a nice person trying to break things down for explanation. There are many non-binary people who do in fact try to make others just believe in what they are saying, OR ELSE... not a friendly approach. I would like to just share some thoughts, based on those of KZfaqr Blaire White, famous trans woman known for her commentaries, I am sure you know about her. You said you do not really agree with trans medicalism, yet this is a term debunked by Blaire White. She says that the whole reason for a person transitioning is in fact the suffering from the disorder that is gender dysphoria. There would have been no reason for transition had it not been for the disorder. Having the disorder is not a choice, but transitioning in any way is the choice people suffering from it take in order to alleviate the dysphoria. Thus people are not born trans but do have a mental condition that can many times be more bearable by means of transitioning. Mind you, this is not labeling people as sick, it is just pointing out the need to acknowledge the presence of a mental illness when there is one, just the same as depression, anxiety, eating disorders, and the like. There is nothing transphobic in raising awareness of mental health. We are after all supposed to be, more than ever, aware of mental health nowadays. I do not want to rant anymore but she does go into these things without saying how complicated things are; it s not a good look for your introduction to your arguments to be 'it's complicated'.

I agree with everything you said, especially invalidating transmedicalism (a new word I just learned) as exclusionary, gatekeeping (eww, ugh), & detrimental both to trans persons individually & to the trans community at large.

No Doll, sorry baby girl. Nonbinary and trans isn’t the same. One is feeling like you’re the opposite sex that you’re born as everyday all day since you can remember & the other is feeling like you’re both male or female depending how you feel on any given day or when it’s convenient to do so. I don’t know how you guys came to this conclusion of delusion, but because of this nonsense all of the hard work that my trans brothers and sisters did for decades is being erased and tainted. You guys come along and decide y’all fall under the trans umbrella without walking our walk or living the lifestyle. It’s not right, they both have their own uniqueness and are beautiful. But stop this, there’s a reason why there are so many detransitioners today. A lot of you are confused and are doing extreme irreversible damage to your bodies. The worst part is that y’all are influencing young minds who are extremely vulnerable and look at social media all day everyday, they’re the ones who will suffer and pay the most. STOP THIS PROPAGANDA. It’s extremely dangerous.

Thank you for this video! I am nonbinary and intersex. I don't like identifying as trans because I believe I'm nonbinary because I'm intersex. I'm definitly not cis. But I'm not trans.

I am a woman and I am thoroughly confused by it all.

I'm genderfluid/non-binary and I consider myself trans. Maybe it's just because I like the flag colors more. Like I dress up or do a lil drag thing and it makes me feel gender euphoria.

Good Video

Can a cis person identify as trans?

I’m 9 months late to this party because I just discovered your KZfaq channel and I just wanted to say as a nonbinary person who gets extremely irritated when people automatically assume I’m trans when I’m not and I do not identify with being trans, I appreciated this video. I wish you would’ve brought up the Nonbinary umbrella and that GenderFlux, gender-fluid, and genderqueer are under the nonbinary umbrella and not under the trans umbrella. Non-binary sitting under the trans umbrella feels like it was born out of conflation of the two identities and people literally just not knowing what exactly they even are. I’m non-binary. I’m not trans. I should not have to keep telling people that I’m not trans.

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11:43 - YEP words are shit, bro! Be yourself and don't mess with languages they would just make you more confused!

Gender, as you define it, is not "assigned at birth". Sex is observed at birth. You cannot transition to another sex.

I'm non binary but I also secretly identify as trans because i don't identify with my gender at birth.

Tbh think I'm bi I don't have a label so yeh

the binary definition seems to always appear in academia too, from the papers I've read. prefer the umbrella definition personally

I think you can have this discourse without demeaning real trans people

No, I'm sorry but you are making a straw man argument. That is not the only way to define transgender. You could have a definition that just isn't as inclusive as the first "umbrella" model. Trans is someone who identifies as the other binary from what they were assigned at birth. You don't have to include anything about medically transitioning. You are setting up a false argument in order to argue against it. For people who identify as trans who actually transition being seen as their new binary gender is extremely important to them. And their experience is absolutely nothing like being non-binary. And they not only transition their gender they also transition their sexuality. This is something that simply doesn't happen to non binary people. To be honest I think it would be better if we returned to using the term transsexual for people who identify as the other binary gender... because they see themselves in a body with the wrong sex. Then non-binary people could do what ever they like with transgender as a word.

Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes...but it's a lot more than just that.

Lol imaginary education

I understand.....nothing :)

I m gender-fluid. But I’m getting top surgery.

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Your illustration of someone "non-binary" was someone whose gender cannot be explained as male or female. You go on to say that people who identify as non-binary conceptualize their gender in different ways. So: when we are discussing being "non-binary," are we discussing something objectively real? or are we discussing someone's subjective impression of something objectively real? or are we simply discussing feelings? You further refer to this experience in the context of someone's "experience" of gender; so, I'm guessing you're referring generally to someone's subjective impression of something objectively real -- though your repeated reference, e.g., to how someone "experiences the world," suggests you may be moving back and forth between the merely subjective camp and the subjective-but-representative-of-reality camp. This is OK, so long as you understand what you're doing; my experience with people who do this -- and not only in the transgender context -- is that they frequently aren't aware they are slipping from one point-of-view to the other, and back again. This is a problem I've observed among members of the transgender community: failure to distinguish between reality (e.g. gender) and impressions of reality (e.g. gender identity). When someone says they are transgender, are they making a statement about reality? or are they making a statement about how they feel merely? I can understand someone feeling that neither "male" nor "female" fully or accurately describes them; but, while the feeling itself is legitimate as a feeling, it is still only a subjective impression. It may or may not correspond to the way things really are. Obviously, people have a right to see themselves in the way that works best for them. The problem comes when people try to translate internal impressions into civil rights, law and public policy. A basis for these things must be objectively demonstrable; and the brutal truth is that the very notion of "gender" as something potentially divergent from sex is merely a belief. There are even some transgender people who do not believe that being non-binary (as opposed to feeling non-binary) is real. Ironically, many of these would fall into the "umbrella" camp, since not everyone is able (or even wants) to completely transition medically, while still identifying as a gender other than that assigned to them at birth -- but with the proviso that only the two genders are possible. :)

This is no different than a religion. "It is because I feel it is." It's super natural and doesn't adhere to reason. A person can believe in any religious beliefs that makes them feel good, yet they must acknowledge that it’s not based in reality, but instead on faith and dogma.

You look very unwell.

Just no

As a TRANSEXUAL, I have many questions regarding your claims because I, personally, would love to understand this concept. I would like to start off by talking about gender dysphoria, which is a primary trait in TRANSEXUAL people. If the goal is to secure what you already have but only change the outward appearance, then why not simply classify as a TRANSVESTITE? It is clear some NONBINARY people choose to go on hormones, but realize it’s not what they are looking for or fit within the scope of their identity. If that is the case, how is that still identifiable as TRANSGENDER? Considering that there are more details specifically linked to TRANSEXUALISM that makes a linear diagnosis to gender dysphoria? Watching the Jubilee episode with CONSERVATIVE TRANSGENDER people and LIBERAL TRANSGENDER people, the nonbinary individual became very hostile because the question of “what is your dysphoria?” triggered them. It seems to be a fairly simple question and seemed very engaging to level with the conversation. Considering that NONBINARY is a TRANSGENDER identity, then talking about what makes you dysphoric in the first place is one of the key components to building bridges, especially if someone is actually curious. Also, DRAG QUEENS and DRAG QUEENS express themselves by cross dressing. It is a form of their expression as well, and some even go as far as living a lot of their life in drag but still continue to live as their biological sex. If this expression is an artform of their expression of their freedom in their gender, why not just be a TRANSVESTITE? (I mean that as contemporary as I can, meaning that there are sometimes no easy way to ask questions) Lastly, SELF-ID has become more prominent in society and has linked to many cases of abuse in the system. For example, the massacre in Nashville, Tennessee gave light to a lot of people talking about the MISGENDERING rather than the act in which this person did. I realize what the community was trying to achieve, but was that truly the most important aspect of the situation? Considering that many individuals were speaking on MISGENDERING solely. Truly I would just like to find some kind of understanding between the distinctions between what it means to be TRANSEXUAL and NONBINARY. Thank you.