If you take a PSA 10 and a PSA 9 out of the slabs and shuffle them you wouldn’t have a clue which one was the 10. Why waste the money

I’m a PSA guy as every slab in my collection is PSA graded. I do not have one PSA 10 card in my collection as i think it’s the biggest scam in the hobby. I collect 1980’s-present cards so this PSA 9 vs 10 debate is the heart of the modern card debate. I’m glad you guys did a video on this. My point is i can find a PSA 9 that is perfectly centered and from an eye appeal perspective looks no different than a PSA 10. Why should i pay 2x, 3x, 4x, maybe 5x that for a PSA 10??? It’s crazy if you really think about it. The other argument is that PSA is inconsistent so a PSA 10 graded today could be a PSA 9 graded tomorrow, and vice versa. If PSA isn’t consistent, why should pay a premium for a PSA 10? Now if you buy a modern card strictly to flip it in the next year, i would probably say buy the PSA 10 because there are enough flippers out there who want to buy that 10 (to flip again). But as a collector, my collection is loaded with PSA 8 and 9’s that are perfectly centered and i could argue are under-graded. I did a deep dive in iconic modern rookie cards comparing the trajectory of their PSA 9 vs 10. Most of the time they would grow or fall at the same rate. In fact, the 10 probably fell more in the long-run because the flippers weren’t buying them anymore. If you’re a flipper buy the 10, if you’re a collector, buy the 9. I thank god there are PSA 10’s because i essentially get the same card in a PSA 9 for a much cheaper price. 15-20 years from now, the card will be more important than the grade in terms of demand. A 1986 Topps Jerry Rice will sell in any grade because it’s an iconic card. 20 years from now, if Mahomes is perceived as the GOAT of his era and ranks up there with Montana and Brady, there will be demand for his PSA 9 and 10 cards. If Josh Allen ends up winning zero Superbowls, it won’t matter if you have his PSA 10 cards because there won’t be the same demand as Mahomes cards.

I buy 8 or 9's all the time. I save lots of money. I really don't care about 10's. It's the card that matters to me not the grade.

The wild thing with grading cards for sale is that WE the hobbyist control market value. It kills me when I see/hear a SGC supporter say “I wish it was PSA value”. I too submit to SGC. SGC 10 card owners need to start selling their cards at PSA 10 values, and be confident that that card in an SGC slab is as valuable or more valuable. This isn’t an overnight thing but it would gradually change over time, balancing the values and creating more competition.

as a investor PSA 10 is the standard. as a collector PSA 9 is a better value. So if given the choice to have a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 or SGC 10, everyone will choose the PSA 10, thats reality.

I collected cards back in 1990s, never had the idea, thought or need to grade cards. I think collectors all succumb to the pressure of getting PSA cards. I have also submitted some cards recently for grading. I had plenty of PSA 10s back, but guess what it didn't make me a lot happier. I still enjoy admiring my cards in my old fashion binders. I'll probably only get graded cards of those of higher value so I know they're authentic, don't really care whether it is a PSA or BGS.

I have multiple PSA 10’s with dinged corners and scratches. The card is the card we are too caught up in grading. If we both rip a box and pull the same card that are flawless we are going to wait for PSA to tell us which one should sell for $50 and which one sell for $200?

I’m just going to say it - paying the PSA 10 Tax is stupid and absurd. Compare that ten to the same card in a 9 with both labels covered, and you probably wouldn’t be able to tell which is the 10, unless you have a loupe with you. As I personally don’t make a habit out of enjoying my collection under magnification, 8s and 9s are for sure the sweet spot where quality and value intersect. It’s funny - I’m glad the PSA 10 Tax exists, because I can price gouge those foolish enough to pay it! It’s a big part of why I submit grading orders to PSA in the first place - to help me fund my hobby budget! I made a video last week titled “Do you pay the PSA 10 Tax??” That pretty clearly walks through a specific example or two, showcasing the absurdity of the PSA 10 market.

If you buy a PSA 10, just like all the recent rookie cards, the price will drop. It’s only the exceptions that hold their value. (Michael Jordan). If I buy a PSA 9 or 8, I-will never loose as much money. However, I still have the CARD I love. That is where the value is for me. PSA or no PSA.

Collectors Holdings, the parent company of PSA, acquired SGC. The deal was announced by SGC on February 29, 2024.

Great video bud 👍 Thanks for sharing 👊

The whole argument is just a PSA 9 is basically a PSA 10 if you resubmit it half the time. So why not buy the 9 instead of the 10.

Not hoping vintage dies but to be able to get some for my PC cheaper would be nice. Still flipping some newer brands to get into the vintage for now. As far as PSA goes.. don't care if they are in my PC but as far as resale it only makes sense atm.

hello, I have a question. I only buy PSA. Not fan of SGC or beckett. What is your opinion? Would people rather have Lebron James PSA 10 #111 topps chrome or PSA 9 topps chrome refractor? Now, this is for long keep not to flip.

If people selling Beckett slabs priced the same as PSA, and held firm, the gap would close.

My opinion is not for a PC: Logically, I would agree with the guy on the right and he makes great points. However, the guy on the left is correct because he realizes the market is dictates the value. Even scarcity is determined by grade. PSA 10s are no longer 2-4x more “valuable” than psa 9s, the delta is easily 10x at this point. We are being conditioned to buy the slab and the grade. We even all agree with the inconsistency in grading and a well centered 7 or 8 will look as good as a 10 to the naked eye. I prefer SGC but I only have psa cards. The only cards I keep that are not psa 10s are 1/1s, unique or rare cards. This should help emphasize how ridiculous the market has become. Now we negotiate labels. Old labels are considered “less” valuable (or desired) because grading standards were supposedly different back then. Raw cards sell easier than 9s because people have hopes of getting a 10. The only reason a 9.5 grade is bought is to crack and send to psa hoping for a 10. I realize I am part of the problem at this point 😂. I wasn’t always this way but selling SGC, BGS compared to a PSA 10 is economically crushing. Set up at a show or take identical cards in SGC and PSA and see what consumers or dealers will pay for. And I am not sure the trend will hold as BGS was dominant a decade ago. Great discussion!

I buy PSA 10s and I think they're overrated. If you cracked a PSA 10 and a nice PSA 9, a buyer wouldn't pay double for the 10 even if they looked at it closely. How many people can send in a PSA submission and predict their grades accurately? People will pass up on a PSA 9 even without looking at it or knowing what flaw it has. I think its pretty strange that so many lower end cards are being graded too

Fun debate. Subscribed.

I prefer PSA 10s if they're centered. That said, there are some cards, such as the 1993 Jeter SP and the 1980 Rickey Henderson where I can't even think about touching a 10. In these cases, I'm perfectly happy with a 9.

Saying a BGS 9.5 is worth 35-40% of PSA 10 is a wild statement and I'm not sure it holds up

I have that same Brady/Moss card in a PSA 10 - those grade very well and are quite cheap to get raw!

I totally agree with him! I’ve been saying this forever. If you have 2 cards that are identical, one in a PSA 10 slab, one in a bgs 9.5. The PSA 10 is like 4x the SAME CARD! IT IS FOOLISH TO BUY PSA 10s! Markets always do this and it’s temporary! If there was a difference in the actual card, okay, I’d agree that a PSA 10 should have more value, BUT PSA 10S ARE NOT DIFFERENT THAN BGS 9.5S IN MOST CASES. I only grade BGS and I only buy bgs and PSA 9s, PSA 8s. BUYING A PSA 10 IS FOOLISH!

Thanks for sharing

This conversation should’ve ended when you guys agreed PSA 10 is the gold standard…..

Watching this channel for the first time and seeing this "argument" rather than a debate, I would advise that this isn't that fun to watch...it's rather frustrating actually. 1) You guys are all over the place; 2) your format is two guys arguing like you're in a card shop but in video format, as the third person, I want to interject or ask a question but can't because it's a video. I suggest the following: 1) Organize this slightly more so that it's still somewhat casual but structured so it's more of a debate and not just two guys arguing 2) Maybe each of you comes in with a dry erase board with your main points on it and show it to each other and to the viewers (obviously) 3) Maybe research your topic a bit before sitting down and bring some examples that are easy for the YT audience to follow

To answer the question.... yes

It's not the same cardboard when it's slabbed. It's a completely different commodity.

What are your thoughts on BGS 10 pristines compared to PSA 10? Seems like a MUCH tougher grade to get….

Love the dog in the video. 😂

The world agrees to trade in dollars as the gold standard. Other grading companies are like pesos or yen. They are legit currencies, but less desirable to hold. The reason why we the collector have chosen to hold and demand PSA is their registry. More end holders of the cards want PSA than other companies.

Dude in the DeWalt shirt drank the PSA kool aid. This is why collecting has become so unreasonable.

If I’m collecting I would buy raw. No reason for an arbiter if I never plan to sell, I can judge the card myself.

Nice debate fellas!

I'm 100% with the guy on the grey hat n jacket...psa "10", sgc "10", beckett "9.5" and cgc "10"... it's the same for me... It's the illusion that the card is perfect and there is nothing wrong with it, on that company's opinion. If you're trying to sell me a J Rod RC auto out of 5 and the value on a psa "10", it's $2K? For the other company's graded at a "10" too and there value is between $1k to $800 for the same card.. Trust me, I'm getting the sgc, beckett or cgc at "10".... The only thing that psa has and maybe sgc (now), it's there insurance that gives them that standard of protection. If they F@$!< up, there going to take care of that issue. Hopefully that the market is still at that level...short term or long term I believe psa will lose it grand and hopefully one of the companies will be the new standard or equal and all these "10's" will be in profit.

I think if you collect cards from drawing , psa10 or raw is doesn’t matter . But if u wanna trade it online , is better grade it.PSA10 is a common word, means everybody know what kind of condition r they buying. And I think market always give them a right price which is not overvalued.

The main reason why PSA holds its value is bc there are sooo many PSA slabs out there, so say if you don't like PSA, but you own a lot of cards in PSA slabs, it's almost hard not to keep PSA up in high value in order for your cards to sell high. It's the flippers who are allowing PSA to take advantage of this dilemma.

PSA 10’s are not overrated. Look at price disparity between Michael Jorden fleer rookie psa 10 vs psa 9.

Broooo, It seems like buddy on the right collects cards, for the love of collecting cards. Buddy on the left seems to be trying to over compensate for something. 😏

“Vintage is on its way out because young kids don’t care about the older players.” I’ve heard this argument for over 40 years now. It must be true then, right?

Been saying this forever, why should I pay double or triple for something because a minimum wage worker put little slip of paper that says 10 instead of 9 in a plastic holder? You can make the condition argument but half the time its something minor that you cant see through the plastic that downgrades it from that 10 to a 9 so why pay more because it doesn’t have that issue you cant even notice. Just makes no sense to me Ill keep buying raw cards.

EXAMPLE: When you go to the tire shop with a flat you can patch it for 15-20 bucks = PSA 8, you can buy a good condition used tire for 60-80 bucks = PSA 9 or you can buy a NEW BEST CONDITION BEST BRAND TIRE FOR 200 bucks = PSA 10. Any tire will get you going but we all know which tire is the best one. In conclusion you can collect raw, low grades and if that's getting it done for your needs that's great but if someone is building a top tear collection and all cards MUST be high grades than that person MUST be willing to pay top tear money it's as simple as what a buyer is willing to pay.

I bet the guy wearing the hat also would debate that using a toilet is over rated lol I mean why go to the washroom when you have to pee or crap at all, I mean you are going to shower and wash your clothes anyways so just crap and pee in your clothes lol what the point of going to the washroom the amount of money you can save on toilet Paper adds up over time. Lol I bet he also puts regular gas and oil in a premium vehicle and doesn’t understand why that doesn’t work out to well.

Unfortunately you can't change the market. PSA whether right or wrong is the gold standard because buyers and sellers have propped them up there. The only thing that will change that is buyers in particular paying good value on other companies and not just deferring to PSA.

earned a subscriber. the grading debate hurts the market a bit i feel. its all about the money nowadays. i dont use psa. ill buy a psa graded card. but will not use them for grading. i love TAG and SGC. quick and easy to submit and you get your cards back within a month.

Bgs 9.5, CGC 10 and PSA 10 are all the same. Unless it’s for resale you can’t go wrong with any company

Sounds like guy on left buys to flip quick, and guy on right holds longer.

I'd pull up the chair next to the girl since she's the smartest one in the room, lol.

Buy the card, not the grade..esp not the grading company …but this is for pc….if flipping, then go w/ psa

Additionally, I’m on the side of the dude with a hat. I too shop for PC Cards the way he does. Thankfully the market is brain dead and sells the same card NM or close NM at cheaper prices solely based off a piece of plastic encapsulating it. I crack that card ASAP and either one touch or send to TAG for PC graded.

Ol Dirty Bastard said it best….oohhh baby I like it raw!!!

Raw FTW

PSA is on the gold standard if your a flipper but let’s face just because there is a 10 on the label doesn’t mean that card is gem mint just look at some of the cards in those holders some are 8’s at best so now your getting screwed so buy the card not the label

If you’re investing in cards, the vintage hardly loses value and will go up due to the player, as an example Mickey Mantle cards will always be liquid due to high demand, MJ and Kobe, too with Basketball, Walter Payton and Peyton Manning are liquid, Hockey, 100% Wayne Gretzky and with Soccer, u can never go wrong with Messi.

All I know is the day I go to sell my wemby PSA 10, it's going to get me more money than a psa 9 would.

Let’s take Victor Wembanyana for example. For the sake of argument, let’s say he wins 3 Titles and ended up being everything the scouts projected as the #1 overall pick. His base Prizm has 7,009 graded for PSA 9 and 13,884 graded for PSA 10. Those are junk wax late 80’s pop counts so will it really matter if you buy the 9 or 10 now? Both cards will be readily available. Now let’s look at his Silver Prizm which is more sought out by high end collectors. There are 772 graded PSA 9 and 2,275 graded PSA 10. Now the Silver is a more rare card than the Base, but not extremely rare. I still say the PSA 9 and 10 Silver will both be in demand in the long-run because neither are a high pop count. There is always a market for collectors who can’t afford the most expensive card and choose the 2nd option. I just think the PSA 9 and 10 are all relative and each have their own market. I think the PSA 10 get the publicity in the hobby because it’s the top dog, but there is a reason the PSA 9’s are still selling on eBay.

PSA 10 is the gold standard for this generation of collectors. Until something happens, this perception of importance is true. As a old collector, I know things change in the hobby. It sure did for me long ago, and I'll wager it will again. I buy graded cards on occasion, but it isn't my whole reality of the hobby.

I still see many of the Utra Modern Autographed Rare type cards like a Bowman Chrome Gold auto refractors for example in Beckett BGS holder versus PSA. I get why BGS can still be relevant. Most of these Rare Rookie Bowman Chrome Auto type & other rare produced cards are valued over $500. Beckett charges $35 to grade those cards with subgrades. PSA charges $100 or $99.99..whatever. So if you are submitting several of those types of cards to PSA to get that Gold Standard label you are doing that at $100 a pop. That's a bunch of upfront costs to deal with if you ask me.

14,000 Victor Prizm base cards PSA10 ALOT less in BGS. PSA give out 10s more than McDonalds do happy meals. I know which one I'd want. The one with less quantity and harder to get! Beware! The market will change!

One touch>psa slab

It simply depends on what you are doing with the card. If it's for permanent PC the grade doesn't matter...if it's for potential investment/resale then sure PSA 10 and ultra low population matters.

I 'm a PC guy and BGS is my favorite slab, I don't care about resale value at all, I buy PSA slabs in auction dirt cheap and cross over to BGS for my PC. the pandemic hurt BGS and the new guys that jumped in the hobby put PSA on top because the did not understand the 9.5 and only understood 10's and majority of the guys are out the hobby know because theres no more stimulus checks and the market has adjusted, good for PSA and definitely not hating on them but lets how long can they carry the torch before another grading companing dethrone them..They in my opinion is just doing a little to much especially I see PSA vending machines in casinos, LOL!! in the words of Mark Cubin, "pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered....

Of course they over rates the insurance policy alone is disgusting they should give you back a percentage of the money back id card does make it to your home there is a company I love ags grading uses a x ray machine and get the same grade every time PSA resubmitted cards and all different grades for the same card they if my card is a 10 it should just get a 10 it shouldn't be pushed down on purpose to keep the tens sacred meanwhile it's probably a 10 in my hands and now I got to resubmit it and they know that so they know they're going to make more money on the card for more attempts it's just unfair these guys on AGS have a grading system where they use an x-ray machine The s*** is takes human error out of the equation like that's perfect and this day and age with the technology we have why the f*** has nobody said this like hey we had the technology why not just using machine and make it legit and show everybody like here's the results this is what the machine said they can see things we can't these things are great this seems like the obvious next step but everybody nobody wants to talk about it and that company should be the most sought after grading company right now I love grading my cards with them I know if I got a 10 it's a 10 they can resubmit it 100 f****** times you'll still get the same number this is where the disconnect between reality and these delusions of grandeur happen with these f****** guys and not for nothing Beckett tens are just as sought after

BGS 10 is the gold standard and worth more than psa 10 and will be going up with less being graded imo and nobody using beckett

MAKE PSA 9s GREAT AGAIN

PSA is not the "Gold Standard" but the company that is easier to get a GM 10 in. The quality of PSA is is much worse than both SGC and BGS. So many people resubmit the same card to PSA several times and get different grades. My PC is mostly TAG, SGC, and BGS.

But also, both of you are wrong about “people not doing bgs anymore”. The bgs fan base is huge and they outlasted SGC which is now PSA. PSA spends seconds grading each card. Bgs actually gives fair grades. Sure, they blow it periodically, but PSA will give 6s on cards that should 9. Their employees are fudging grades to keep their metrics on point.

Everyone is a slave to PSA cards with pictures of men on them

The argument is really moot. If there were no PSA 10's than PSA 9's would have the most value. Something always has to be the top end. Your reason for purchase is what will determine if it was a good buy or not, no matter the grade. If it is a PC card, price and grade only matter for what you want and are willing to pay. If it is for investment/flipping, than price is the most important factor. Why do people care if their belt says Gucci, they could buy an Old Navy belt for 30% less. Well some people don't care and some people do. If no one cared, than nothing would have value and all cards would be worth the same.

What up CFC

The only reason PSA hold so much value is because they have a strong hold on the market. Last time i looked PSA and SGC all use HUMANS to look at these cards. So as long as there are human factors involved NO "10" should be worth more than another 10 unless the graders don't have a good reputation. This is so foolish of us as the collectors to allow this especially with the crap PSA does. Just my opinion

Im over the grading hype. Dont buy graded, nor send in my collection for grading. Its corrupted.

There will be a day when the PSA 10 isn't the most desirable.... could be 1 year, could be 5-10 years. If your flipping, it doesn't matter, but if your a collector it matters. The high pop base PSA 10's are already falling off quickly. The inventory for BGS/SGC/CGC has been pretty low in 2023 & 24 releases even if you did want to buy. Ultimately, think this is all going to turn into junk wax post 2020. Eventually the hobby crumbles, as high production crushes the value... and the secondary market cant sustain. Already see if now on common base rookies. Either way, I'd prefer the value of the non-psa brands. Wish BGS still was #1/contender to PSA.

A crazy story kind of plays in my head, like say the grader goes home early one day and catches his wife cheating on him in the act. With all the commotion, the guy leaves his CJ Stroud Jersey on the floor and runs out the house. But just my luck the very next day he opens my order and right on top. Is this beautiful CJ Card, without even looking at it just F it and now I’m sitting there with a 7, All because of this dude’s wife. 😂😂lol 😂😂😂😂

Same old story, just another day….the well to do’s control the market while the blue color worker is stuck with repacks and very little chance of hitting it big

PSA 10 is NOT the gold standard. BGS black 10 is the gold standard. Also, PSA 10 has inflated (but not over-inflated) value due to the PSA 10 set registry. The guy with the hat is missing this...I think people who don't buy PSA 10s a lot can't really debate this topic. The guy on the left is not even in the conversation. The debate is based on demand while the guy on the left is talking about value, which is not really a debatable topic (price is determined by supply and demand, that's not a topic for debate).

PSA is the only grading company that guarantees their grade and authenticity of a card. No other grading company guarantees anything. This is the single largest reason why they demand the highest value compared to all other grading companies.

If a psa 10 is so great...why is a bgs 10 worth more? A sgc gold label sell for more...again,if psa was the goat..it wouldn't matter what other brands put out.

SGC slabs are whaaaaaaaack

Sorry but any one that wears a DeWalt shirt is obviously delusional ther are no difference between psa 10 or any otherbig grading company and sometimes there is no difference between a 9 or a 10 especially not more than half the value be smart and buy ac 9 as long as the centering is good

Such a dumb argument. They are both right. 1) PSA 10s ARE overrated. 2) If you are buying to resell at shows, PSA 10s are the most reliable things to resell. 3) CSG, BGS and SGC GEM grades are undervalued. 4) PSA is no more consistently reliable in their grades than the other 3, but they are the most desired currently so they sell for higher (for literally no other reason than people think they are the most desirable). 5) PSA 9s are horribly undervalued. You shouldn't be able to buy them for barely over raw.

What holders are the 3 most expensive vintage cards ever sold in? Hont, it's not PSA.

5 minutes in and it feels like I’m listening to politics. Psa 10 means perfect condition card. Psa look better than all and is way more professional is why they have better prices. Easy convo. Homie kept saying the same thing and not listening

I dont understand how ppl dont understand the premium that psa commands over all other TPGs......The Registry!. If all other TPGs had stronger registries....values of their holders would increase. The registry is a powerful drug.

psa 10 is a license to extort customers who feel their brand is better. I will buy a bgs 9.5 faster than a psa 10 and pay 2-5x more.

PSA 10 are not true 10's. They don't have a 9.5

We're not idiots for buying PSA 10s. We're idiots for paying 5 and sometimes 10x what a 9 sells for. Its literally a mint card.

PSA ALL THE WAY TO THE MOON

Whoever DeWalt guy is- your argument is lame. Have fun with your PSA 10 idgaf either about PSA 10's. The card matters, not perfection.

Beckett are the best of a bad bunch. PSA damage your cards on every submission and upcharge. SGC pop control and send ungraded cards back unsleeved and damaged. Joke company

TAG GRADING IS THE FUTURE

PSA 10 is the most desired now. Just like it used to be BGS. I love the grading notes you can’t publicize. lol. TAG for the win 🎉 Thanks for stopping.

If you are sure you have a 10, send it to PSA and they give you a 9, then how much faith do you have in PSA being "The Gold Standard?" PSA has many issues and rather than fix them, their ownership bought their best competition. Ultimately, the value is only in the eyes, wallet and strategy of a buyer. PSA is literally killing themselves with the "New Bad Slabs," over pricing, not allowing grader notes to be shared publicly and flip flopping on their standards. Why would they grade a card a 9 and you resubmit and get a 10 if their standards weren't wishy washy? Too many examples of PSA 10's with visible issues showing on the stabbed card and many perfect cards only getting 9's. There are many brands coming to the hobby that offer grading for less, because many people see the value of money spent on grading. Too many people are banking on PSA and PSA thinks they are the King of the industry and can make the rules for our community. They are a "dead man walking," in my opinion. This situation has happened many times in many industries, like with automobiles. Toyota started cheap, ugly and good quality. Now, they are the biggest and considered one of the absolute best in their industry.

Its a scam!

Since we agree that BGS was the gold standard not long ago, how can you confidently claim that PSA is the "stable slab"? If another grading company were to somehow win the hobbys favor then what happens to the psa 10 values? They'll drop the same way bgs has as people crack their psa slabs to sub them to the x grading company

the fact that you can crack a 9 and get a 10 proves that 10s are over rates. its not a better card, lol. its the same card just a different number on the label.

PSA is a scam! Even their CEO of PSA admits that grading is at the whim of the grader that day.

if psa is the standard, why are the most expensive cards in non psa holders?

Slabs look great, whether its PSA or SGC...I prefer the raw in a mag holder look. 😗🤌

I AGRE GIVE ME A 8 OR 9 ANYDAY. THE PRICE DIFFERENCE FOR A 10 IS RIDICULOUS. MOST PEOPLE CAN NOT LOOK AT A 9 OR 10 AND TELL THE DIFFERENCE. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊