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"I study linguistics, let me grasp at straws by using the biggest words I know, incorrectly, to try and prove my fallacious non-point"

I once left a skeptic gobsmacked when they asked "how can you trust a book written by man?" I said "Fair point, what book can you trust?"

Man, people will tie themselves into knots for the sake of denying Jesus. “Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.”

Typical example of a young person/student who gets a bit of knowledge from "college" or "university" and all of a sudden "knows" everything about everything and proclaims it with "authority". He sounds like he's most likely parroting stuff he's heard from is atheistic, liberal professor. - I could be wrong, but this is my initial, gut response to this young man.

No hatred towards that guy - I was that confidence of myself when I was his age. You don't realise how little you knew until you get to at least 40.

The fact that Josephus was Jewish, would give him a better reason to deny Jesus instead of backing up the events.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".

Of course the Bible is written by men who else is it supposed to be written by? Yes, men wrote the Bible under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

The young man didn’t do enough research. Greek was the de facto international language of the time, so widely spoken that Jews of the 2nd century BC translated the Torah into Greek so Greek speaking Jews could read and understand it.

What is unfortunate is that as someone said earlier he went looking for evidence with a presupposition instead of looking for truth.

The ignorance and arrogance of young people on display, so cringe.

All these questions have been asked and answered over two millennia. There is always some young person thinking they have a gotcha but they always end humbled.

I don't think the evidence he's been exposed to has led him to an illogical conclusion. I think it's what he already presupposed before the evidence that led him to the illogical conclusion.

How can that young man, believe any historical author based on his ideology?

When I see people scrutinizing the Bible, I always wonder if they use the same scrutiny and strictness towards EVERY OTHER historical writing that exists? If the Bible was tampered, then every other writing unrelated to the Bible could be tampered, right? Do they also analyze every nook and crany and search for every possible contradiction? Or are they more lenient with them because they aren't directly related to God? I am sure some studied people do that, but I doubt that it is the same amount of people who are trying to debunk the Bible.

When the Bible says " fisherman" its not talking about a guy like myself that fishes on the occasional weekend. These were business men type of fisherman.

I nominate Frank Turek for the Nobel Peace Prize for his patience.

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Keep em coming!

I pray that the blind see, the deaf hear and the dead come to life in Jesus name Amen.

7:15 we shouldn’t make fun of people making mistakes, instead we should encourage them to find the Lord.

Could you imagine being this arrogant and unintelligent? The problem is the uninitiated in these sorts of debates don’t realize that these “scoffers” don’t actually know what they’re talking about… they’re using talking points from their silly professors instead of actually thinking about what they’re trying to debate. Why are students not asking their professors “how do we know what is in our curriculum is true?” They don’t even QUESTION these professors… Ask them “do you KNOW that, or do you THINK that? “

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Making the point that most people were illiterate in no way invalidates the authorship of the Gospels. It's a red herring argument. It sounds related to the topic at hand, but it actually has nothing to do with whether or not the gospel authorship is genuine or reliable.

He makes his claims so confidently. "Everyone says it's all made up!" "Source?" "Trust me, bro. Everyone says it's made up and no one spoke common Greek in the areas conquered by Alexander The Great."

I'm tired of watching young, foolish so-called students.

Appreciate you sharing this conversation.🙏

Going from the general to the specific is a classical fallacy. Arguing from ignorance is also a classical fallacy; i.e nothing definite can be determined from indefiniteness. Finally, Mark was Roman and a close friend of Peter. "Mark" is a Roman name.

Also you ask is God not capable? Silly question. He is capable of anything and everything but you can ask is he not capable of showing us he's God? It's called free will and a larger plan we don't know. Why did he let Peter denounce him three times? Why did he have to die for our sins? Your logic and asking that question is off.. many of you need to humble yourselves..

The thing with these people is they are selective with what they take as historical facts, and not. Josephus wrote about the Roman Jewish war, and scholars accept that, so this individual would. But when Jesus is mentioned, for some reason, these people say that that was made up.

mustache jokes never get old.

Sometimes I wish Frank was more assertive. This kid kept interrupting and talking over him and he let it continue

An intelligent yet unlearned WOKE individual is what he is

“The words of the LORD are pure words: As silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭12‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭ God promised to preserve his Word forever.

Herod the Great died in 4BCE. Quirinius was appointed governor of Syria 10 years later in 6CE. This is a matter of historical record. Magi anyone?

You can't reason with someone who bases their beliefs on emotions. Reason has nothing to do with their beliefs. They don't want there to be a God, so they refuse to accept data that doesn't support what they want to believe.

If the authenticity of the Bible is in doubt; specifically its authorship despite the eponyms, then it makes the entire venture unreliable. If God can create the universe, the surely He can preserve His revelation because it is an infinitely easier task. It is completely logical to doubt the creed in the Bible because of its unreliable origin. Isn't that what historiograpgy teaches us?

Specific data points can be used to imply an average, but an average cannot be used to imply a specific data point. It is a one-way calculation.

I've been wondering the same thing if people over time have changed or altered the Bible to deceive believers But no one has really said that God wouldn't let that happen therefore God's message would be conveyed

People today don't seem to understand that people in older times often spoke multiple languages, especially if they were common in commerce, which Greek was. Anybody who engaged in trade had some knowledge of it during that time as it was literally the language of commerce, much like English is today. People worked, socialized, and read if they were literate. You had a lot more time to learn because it wasn't like today where people sit in front of a computer screen all day. This guy is also making claims "we know that they widely fabricated data" what? Where? when? who? what's your source? How reliable is it? This kid is absurd.

Pray for midwit matthew that he becomes smart enough to comprehend how he's wrong because currently he is not.

Am I misunderstanding, or does Mathew seem to think Mark was a disciple of Jesus, not a disciple of Peter? From what I've read and everything I've heard, Mark didn't begin following Jesus until after the resurrection.

The kid does not know enough about the Bible or history to ask an intelligent question. He makes sweeping statements with no evidence. No clue.

This young fellow told Frank that “ it has been debunked” that the writings were fabricated. Wow he knows so much at his young age. I guess Frank didn’t read about the debunking.

Man these are so hard to listen to but it's important because it's what is out there in the minds of the youth. Can you imagine where are culture would be if students were getting an education instead of the nonsense they are being fed. This kid will most likely come out with massive debt and no skills or a job to go to. But he will be well versed in bs

Matthew is taking his knowledge from sceptics 🤣🤣

To answer your question, yes, the young man does believe that God is unable to maintain the integrity of the scriptures. That is his foundation for the argument he makes. Although, I can tell he jumped in over his head on this. He didn't understand the evidence about the texts and the writers. He read a philosopher somewhere on the net or professor prescribed book, and tried to understand it without knowing what we know about the scriptures

What a naive young kid

So you can doubt one written account but affirm another? Both of which you were not an eye witness, got it.

I’m not going to lie, these Wisdom Society blurbs at the end of the videos give off cultish vibes…the name, music, script, and voice over. It weirds me out and it always comes out of nowhere. I understand what you’re trying to do with it, but I think a complete remake on the PR campaign would help it out

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The Q&A's must be tough. Good on him for keeping cool and on top of each objection. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

Even if Mark wasn’t written by Mark himself, what does it matter? These are still historically accurate testimonies that are multiply attested to by other ancient documents.

I totally agree with Dr. Turek. My belief in Jesus Christ is strong. This young man is confused, but your criticism of him mispronouncing Josephus’s name is a little petty and almost sounds like an argument a politician would make just to score a point. You should have left it alone.

Dr. Turek if he had used the technique he outlined in his book, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist would have dismantled this guy's arguments in no time flat. The question would be; if someone could provide proof about the authorship of the Gospels would you believe? This guy would have said NO. And that's where you end the conversation because he suffers from volitional resistance. No amount of facts is going to change his mind. Kudos to Dr. Turek for trying.

"Let me give this a more elegant situation!?" Someone please give American school students a grammar school education. Pronto. The lack of knowledge of sentence construction is off-putting. Love from Britain 😊♥️🇬🇧🙏

This kid didn’t have a single argument for anything.

Carnally minded is death, Spiritually minded is life and peace

5:07. How does this young fellow know that we don’t know?

Why don’t you put the links to the original video?

Yeah, I've seen a couple of Jesus Mythicists online say that Josephus never actually referred to Jesus and it was completely fabricated when it's usually just believed that later Christians made his reference to Jesus more positive.

It's believed that Mark likely acted as a scribe or secretary. Given mark's position and his association it's believed by scholars that mark would likely have had access to education that would have enabled him to read and write at least at a basic level.

I've read that Mark'name was John Mark: the most popular jewish name + the most popular greek name. He was born in the greek city of Cyrene (Lybia). It seems to me easy to learn greek there like in the whole roman empire where the greek language was like english today. 😊 Greetings from Catalonia!

The NT is testament itself that it is true. What I mean by that is, the writers of the NT had no reason to write what they wrote and they would have been considered blasphemers for writing such things. So are we to believe that different men wrote fictional stories to risk persecution and death. Jesus was not the coming Messiah they had in mind. The wisdom written in the different gospels and letters tells us deeply of the human condition. This is no fairy tale even if Mark don't write Mark. But as Frank said, there is no evidence in that time period of the contrary to believe it is anything but true.

Peter probably didn't speak Greek is why he didn't write the gospel. The name Mark isn't a Hebrew name, whether an adopted name or not, it would signify he spoke a language other than Hebrew or Aramaic.

Most New Testament scholars do not think that the disciples wrote the gospels.

Even though each of the Gospels are attributed to one person, they would have been written and shared among their Christian community, gathering testimony and being discussed. Maybe some of Jesus’ original words were written down while He was alive.

In the Bible itself, it says that many people have misinterpreted the Bible and the intention of God's & Jesus' words. This is why we have so many church options - Catholic, Baptist, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Protestant, etc. If there were no conflicts of interpretation and God kept His word from misinterpretation, then where do all of those variants come from? The main aspects - Jesus rising from the grave to save us is clear, but there are a lot of interpretations around every other aspect of the Bible.

As soon as he said Frabricated I was done😒

Denial of God is driven by the love of sin, pursuit of personal desires, and embracing the lies of evolution so that me, myself, and I, is all that matters.

John was living among the Greek Christian communities later in his life, I think

This student has no clue what languages the writers wrote of the gospels spoke. Obviously, as pointed out elsewhere in the comments, as fishermen and traders, they had to converse with others of different backgrounds. Second, their ability to write the gospels, or any other books, for that matter, had to have some abilities. Additionally, his lack of knowledge of whether the writers had the ability to speak or write Greek isn't proof they couldn't. Finally, his argument that there could be errors because the man wrote the Bible holds value, but, no more than it does for any other book, including those from which he draws his own arguments.

I like how Daily Dose adds little details in between the video to clear everything up

6:20 the application of this argument right on the nose!

So you can't trust specific written testimony, but you can trust assumptions based on generalized population data?

If some people spend 7 years studying to get a doctor degree, like in medicine, this guy went to a college where they require 36 hours. This man on the podium is nothing but a con artist, he’s a joke.

who else came here for the mustache?

Claims to be a linguist but mispronounces "Josephus"....but overall sounds like an intelligent young man with some decent questions. Hopefully he too is open to the facts presented to him as well for learning and hopefully his salvation.

I always thought the arguments about the disciple's illiteracy or not knowing languages like Greek were strange. They very well may have known how to write in Greek (just because the average person in their socio-economic position couldn't doesn't mean they couldn't), but it's not against the Bible or out of the realm of possibilities to say that they used a scribe writing on their behalf (although they may not have, it's not something that proves the Bible inaccurate; we know Paul did this). If, for example, Mark is having an educated person writing down the exact words he's saying in order to get a written record of it, that's still the Gospel according to Mark. That's still Mark's recording of the Gospel, just with someone writing down his "side of the story". I don't think it's a Bible-breaking idea if they didn't use their own fingers to quill the story.

"we don't have specifics so we have to go by aggregate data." Here's some specifics, the gospels exist and we're written by someone during the mid to late 1st century. Paul was not of the lower class, was highly educated, and was writing to various people who had to be able to read what he wrote. So, specific data we do have points to the probability that at least a couple of the disciples could read and write despite being part of a group that largely couldn't, and that probability does nothing to undermine the notion that most people of that group couldn't. So it makes no sense to say that since most people couldn't we should find it odd that some of the disciples could and that some of the disciples were followed and interviewed by people who could. Furthermore, we have seen repeatedly throughout history that there are people who can read and write that are party of a group of people who largely can't. This happens even today, and it happens with people who don't receive an education. So, to assume that there couldn't or shouldn't have been a could disciples who could read and write, or that the disciples couldn't or shouldn't have been followed by someone who could is an unrealistic stance. Lastly, maybe none of the disciples could, and the two gospels attributed to disciples were dictated by the attribute disciples. Such a thing would not be out of the question, and something dictated, even today, is attribute to the one speaking and not the recording what is said. So, to question the validity of the Bible based on the concept that most people of the time of the social status of the disciples not being able to write, regardless of how true that is, is a stance without actual merit once you apply for reasoning to it.

His problem with the language is not knowing that most people of that era spoke multiple languages. Especially merchants. With Jerusalem being occupied by Rome, it makes logical sense for a merchant to surreal the language of possible costumers.

I think Luke was Greek, either an Hellenic Jew or a gentile Christian

Yeah I always thought that was weird that people would think that God isn’t capable of preserving his word for his people and generations to come. He’s not thinking, “oh no, man messed up my plan, they made errors so now I’m stuck”. No he is very much able to keep the truth preserved so humanity can read the truth and be saved

i appreciated this exposure. the "kid" took an off centered stance and got corrected. his arguments were pretty well offered.

The disciples could have told a scribe to write it down, like Paul did

The only think that comes to mind is Lot saying, "but wait what if 20.... "

The youngster thinks to be a genius, good good

Heart problem

*Miracles and Apotheosis in the Ancient Mediterranean World* *"It should first be noted that miracle stories are not uncommon in the literature of this period.* Ancient people believed in a world permeated by the supernatural and readily accepted stories of miracles and believed in stories of visions and visitors from the world of the divine all the time. *Even very sober and sometimes sceptical historians like Tacitus will pass on accounts of miracles that he clearly accepts and expects his audience to believe as historical.* So when we read stories of how the emperor Augustus was *miraculously conceived by the god Apollo,* or how his birth was *presaged by a new star in the heavens,* or how Julius Caesar was seen *ascending into the heaven* after his death or how Vespasian *healed lame and blind people* who asked him for a miracle, we accept that these stories represent the kinds of things ancient people genuinely believed about great men. Or we accept that they are at least told to indicate that the man in question was great. *What we don't do is accept that simply because people believed these stories they must mean that they really happened.* And this is even when the stories are presented to us by a very careful historian and given to us as verified fact. Take Tacitus' account of the miracles of the emperor Vespasian: "In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. .... And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. *The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood."* (Histories, IV, 81) Tacitus was closely connected to the court of Vespasian's sons and successors, Titus and Domitian, and so in a position to know the "persons actually present" and to consult them long after Vespasian's death "when nothing is to be gained by falsehood". He was also a very careful historian who scorned those who took rumour and stories as fact without checking them against sources and eye witnesses and who condemned those who "catch eagerly at wild and improbable rumours in preference to genuine history" (Annals, IV,11). *Despite this, I don't know anyone who would read the account above and conclude that the emperor really had magical healing powers and genuinely used his supernatural abilities to heal people.* The fact that even a judicious and often sceptical analyst like Tacitus accepted this story shows us just how readily people in the ancient world accepted claims of the miraculous. *One form of miracle that was widely believed in was the idea of apotheosis, where a great man is physically taken up in to the heavens and raised to divine status.* It was claimed that Romulus, the founder of Rome, underwent this process and *later appeared to his friend Julius Proculus to declare his new celestial status.* The same claim was made about Julius Caesar and Augustus, *with supposed witnesses observing their ascent into the heavenly realm.* Lucian's satire The Passing of Peregrinus includes his scorn for the claim that the philosopher was *taken up into the celestial realm and was later seen walking around on earth after his death.* The Chariton novel Callirhoe has its hero Chaereas visiting the tomb of his recently dead wife, saying he *"arrived at the tomb at daybreak"* where he *"found the stones removed and the entrance open. At that he took fright."* Others are afraid to enter the tomb, but Chaereas goes in and finds his wife's *body missing* and concludes she has been *taken up by the gods."* If you want to read how the resurrection legend grew over time, read the below article by Tim O'Neill who is a former Christian and has been studying the scholarship for over 25 years. *Answer* What-evidence-is-there-for-Jesus-Christs-death-burial-and-resurrection/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 - Quora You can also read the below article by a former Christian apologist on how he agrees with the mainstream scholarship that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet. *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity. *“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"* *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"* *"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53 *"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"* *"Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy? | Westar Institute"* *"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"What Do the Apostles’ Deaths Prove? Guest Post by Kyle Smith. - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*

Lmaoooo, the kid is extremely uninformed. By the mid-first century Judea/Israel had been a Hellenized culture for three centuries. Greek was the common language of business.

Simple way to expose the young man's motives , was to have asked him if he believed that Muhammad was a false prophet, and if the Quran was truly revelation from God.

That kid is disturbing. Latches onto stuff he agrees with and doesnt steelman the other side. No critical thinking.

Matthew must be lost and clueless because the data suggests majority are.

Interesting..... In Matt 28:19-20 (ASV) Jesus told his disciples to - "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." - Yet he also said that his disciples would be hated and persecuted like him So I'm thinking.... what would be the best tool to use to accomplish this teaching in a hostile environment to all people of all the nations before times up? Well, a book would be a logical and best tool as a book can go everywhere and down through time and allows the message to be compared, considered and studied by people using their own free will. A book can also be attacked, destroyed and banned by enemies but with many copies and translations can survive? Does the Bible which Jesus words are part of fit the bill? Well I find it rather fascinating that Google says....... Which is the most banned and censored book in history? Answer- The Bible Which is the most sold or distributed book of all time in history? Answer- The Bible with at least 5-7 billion copies Which book is translated the most into other languages in history? Answer - The Bible into over 3300 languages and dialects in whole or in part. Nice! Have a nice day😊

"We havt no evidence" as long as you dismiss all of the evidence that we actually HAVE.

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Here’s another clip where this guy changes the question and goes into another and talks about the resurrection. I’m surprised that he didn’t say “if I give you a book , will you read it”? Which is what he usually says when he has no answer to a question.

Average people speak several languages all day long in multilingual societies. The arrogance of this kid is off the charts, despite his manifest ignorance. Mark spoke and wrote Greek, it's not hard to understand.

Aramaicisms, Hebraisms, Hellenisms, Lydia McGrew's undesigned coincidences...Plenty of evidence for the essential veracity of the gospels....