oh my god yes during the game and them just almost stealing a baby and i think troy starting to say he will stay at home for it

“She can give me babies” “Oh and I can’t?! ...I can’t...”

i was on the ‘why cant two guys just be close friends’ train until that moment

This right here is the one reason why i dont like this video ahbed isnt the bisexual one troy is. He didnt even mention the one most obvious reason troy loves women bc obviously weve seen that but he also like buttstuff on himself so this leads us to one of two things hes a straight man that loves being pegged or hes bi

@@MarioSolisxD yeah he mentions liking butt stuff alot. And in contexts when hes like "you already know I like butt stuff" so I very much think it was hinting at bisexuality.

....i was literally thinking that too omg

Not like there were any feelings involved, nooo Troy was always a straight guy and I think Britta like Annie are bisexual. But Britta and Troy loved each other, so stfu

@@brrlego5245 people are just expressing their own interpretations of fictional characters, no need to get hostile lol

Sounds like my first relationship. We were both in very strong denial. Both are now very happy with our partners, so it worked out in the end?

YES

@Artem Zagaynov the fact that there are many people who aren't out doesn't mean that most people is straight., that's just homophobia :P

@@valery9178 most people are straight. sorry to burst your bubble

@Artem Zagaynov while I don't agree with what OG replied with (because I am aware of the majority that heterosexuality represents) it is still hypocritical to tell gay people to not assume someone's sexuality in a piece of media and then immediately assume they are straight, especially with cases where they keep making homosexual references or have them in homoerotic scenes, which is what happens with most (cannot say all bc I haven't seen them all) of the couples in the videos that AreTheyGay makes

@Artem Zagaynov oh ok, sorry for the light hostility in my tone. Respect💪💪

@Artem Zagaynov good thing hummans are more complicated than birds and our biology doesn't dictate shit about how we need to act

Ikr a better example of male friendship would be jeff and abed or ian duncan and jeff

@@lwiksnnam3017 Jeff and Abed is a much more believable couple.

@@treasuremage7546 i dont really think they would work well together cuz jeff can be very mean to abed especially in s4 onwards. and i always felt that both can be controlling and manipulative

@@lwiksnnam3017 @leya chang I said it would be believable, not that it would be healthy. I'd just totally buy the argument that Jeff is often a dick to Abed specifically because it's cuts deep into his narcissistic cool as ice persona to feel attracted to anyone that isn't a supermodel.

the show HAS healthy male friendships in jeff and abed and jeff and troy, troy and abed are a couple

they literally gave us the ship name IN the show like I-

@@hopelessly.lavenderly wait where

I think that might have been Destiel but yeah close second

Sorry bestie but johnlock and destiel have those crowns

Can’t believe y’all are forgetting about tiny Roman and cowboy dudes

Abed is PEAK autistic rep and I'm so grateful

Before doing research i really thought Danny Pudi was neurodivergent, turns out he's just a great actor lol

@@ariuuu dan harmon is autistic, which is probably why abed is such a well-written autistic character

@@gavin9956 yeahh, is also kind of funny knowing that Jeff is the one that's based on Harmon, i think there's an interview where he says that at the end he related more to Abed and that's why his arc is more developed

Yes! I’m autistic, and bisexual, he’s represents me the best out of almost every other portrayal of autism.

I feel like abed and jeff or ian and jeff are the second and trobed is the first

Idk it Feels platonic to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

we have about 500 of the latter so

i always think of charles and jake from b 99

Why not both? Friends with benefits.

My mom has 0 radar when it comes to any ships even she saw this she shipped them

my mom who is a shirley personality clone thought they were gay too

Our parents are surprisingly adept at romantic undertones in film and shows. A lot of people look for erotic subtext, while here they are already accepting the romantic subtext.

my mum asked me “wait are they dating or not” when she watched like one episode 😭

Omg that is such a good observation

Marcia Arenas you my friend, are a genius.

oh my god you're so right

Omg I never noticed that, that’s so good.

I will kiss your brain if I was able to do that, that's genius observation

THAT PART

What's the link 🥺😳🥺😳🥺😳

Drop the link coward

you can't just say that and then not link the essay 😭

...link? 🥺🥺🥺 pls?

I wish i could read this

Oh yeah, even though they had REALLY different views they’re still friends :)

abed thought that not even in the worst of scenarios troy would ever leave him. i’m sobbing

I love your John Lennon (please let me be right in the fact that it's Lennon) profile pic.

@@lemonadereviews8235 hahah yeah it is. ty!

@@toastiestfresh np, the Beatles are the greatest band ever so yeah lol

So much weirdness about this argument- can non-straight individuals not have friends? Can people in a romantic relationship not also be friends? Isn’t there a whole spectrum beyond just romance v. Friendship?

exactly, like you're just homophobic

people say this but over sexualize friendship of the opposite sex...

And while there is some merit to that argument, it’s ALWAYS used in response to people shipping two people of the same sex, to a point where it’s just homophobia.

it's not as if there are already hundreds of examples of male friendship in fictional media but almost nonexistent mlm rep

catraaaaaa

@@clairegibbles420 yes hehe

I would kill to read this fanfiction

@@hassanalkhalaf1115 Oh right fanfictions exist. I might write one actually

y es

WITH NO HESITATION TOO

Pls which episode was that?? I can’t remember 😩

@@abigailsalmanac it was like the end credits of an episode i don't remember which but theres a baby on the study room table and they're like guess we'll raise it and abed is like guess ill get a job to support us

@@emmaoof3335 oooh okay my memory of that is coming back. THANK YOU xx

not to be negative, but 'neurodivergent' is just such a dumb term to me. we can agree that Abed probably has Aspergers, no need to slap a sugarcoated label onto him.

@@rokukou aspergers is an outdated term :/

@@calzoneyyy if you think so, then fine. i still use it, as an aspie. there‘s nothing wrong with the term and everyone i know still uses it. like 'homosexual', some people use it negatively but that doesn‘t make it outdated either.

@@rokukou as a person who has Aspergers i don’t mine it

Remember: gay people wouldn't exist without straight people.

right?? that's what still pisses me off about bbc sherlock, they throw in like 2 gay jokes per episode and then have the AUDACITY to make fun of their fans for thinking they might be gay. like, what the fuck?

Sherlock oh my god

@The one and only lmaoooo i don't blame you, that's what my mind went to at first as well. it's 'british broadcasting corporation' i think!

It’s just like watching a movie, and a point of the plot is about them fazing homophobia. But they are not gay, so it’s just like, welp, I got homophobia but I didn’t even get homosexuals. And that is truly sad.

I would love it to be gay but I really don't think they are (that's my opinion)

youre literally him

@celine Why thank you! All I make are danganronpa videos so be warned

Now I'm just sad that doesn't exist

Because they always are gay.

:0

God fucking big brain

That's what the movie's for

Right

rob pfp spotted

6 seasons and a movie xD@@keltzy

Uh that’s kinda sugar gay dude 👀

@Patient Devil nah, abed's not simple and wouldn't make a joke like that. He's actually somewhat mature about race. Unlike some people. He understands that stuff race couldn't create anything that's worth looking at. Or laughing at.

@@posty6530 he just knows Troy and his thinking. Most jocks are proud about their size so he wanted to make Troy happy

@Patient Devil its because hector of troy

@@Me-vn3gz bro hes talking about hector of troy. You know achilles and stuff?

Same

Lol yeah

same

I didn't even realize it was 47 mins long

Oh shit I didn't realize it's 47 minutes long. It's 2am.

Not to mention jeff and abed or ian and jeffs friendships like wth

*Achilles and Patroclus:* um... we're gay and we've also existed for centuries tho. *Historians:* no ur not ur just good friends *Achilles and Patroclus:* 👁👄👁

It scares me that so many people think being friends with your significant other is a bad thing. Bro what do yall do together. If you don't want to hang out with your lover why would you date them

Tru

Yeah, because in what other situation would that apply?

@@jerry4125 i think they mean that people seem to not care about other genuine and great platonic relationships between two guys unless someone interprets it as romantic

relatable :(

i FELT that

I too am inflicted with the 'Merica

That one made me burst out laughing

@@whateverworksmate.721 Spain? The depressive films threw me though because I always think of like Dali's films being all psycdellic. lol

Not to mention in the end credit they find a baby and immediately discussed how they were going to take care of the baby together

That’s the scene that made me fall down this rabbit hole

four if you include britta's comphet for troy jeff Vaughn and subway and annies comphet for jeff troy abed as han solo and don draper vaughn and rich

It is entirely possible for writers to write male relationships that aren't filled with subtext or gay jokes that make people feel inclined to view those relationships as romantic. That isn't out of nowhere lol, queer people are not necessarily just reading romance out of thin air (especially when a lot of people see it - sometimes it's a lesser known pairing that people headcanon, that's different). It's possible to write close male friendships that have overt affection and care, without constant gay jokes or subtext but it seems rare for writers to do that (and the reason is homophobic gay jokes and queer baiting probably lol). Also, I don't think people making assumptions about a straight man's sexuality because of how close he is to his friend is really as harmful as people make it sound. Like yeah if it's done in an invasive and constant way, that's bad. But if two men have a close friendship that is somewhat ambiguous I don't see the harm in that friendship being occasionally interpreted as potentially romantic ( _especially_ with fictional characters), like romance and friendship are both valid interpretations and also constantly happen to male-female friendships in the same situation. Yet no one is complaining when a friendship between a man and woman is interpreted by some people as potentially romantic lol. Someone thinking you or some situation you're in is gay when in actuality it isn't is not any where near as harmful as people make it seem and men are less likely to see it as a threat unless they have some internalised homophobia that relks them being gay is bad and is it is inherently awful for people to think you are gay. The normalisation of non-sexual non-romantic affection, of friendship, is important. But to me that should start first and foremost with m/f relationships and friendships, because straight romance is already heavily represented in the media. This is one of the reasons it sometimes comes across as bad faith when people criticize queer pairings like Troy and Abed in defense of 'male friendships because they rarely seem to care about representation of friendship unless potential mlm couples are brought up lol. Like where is that energy with m/f friendships and m/m friendships at any other point in time?

@Rocknalldatime99 I'm a queer writer myself (also on the spectrum) who also heavily values m/f platonic relationships. You're preaching to the choir and I'm confused where this is coming from unless you're simply adding onto my original brief statement

Well i mean the dean did think that jeff was in love with him due to jeff giving him the wrong number and that japanese kid that would later become the leader of the yakuza

Tho some of the things he did was way out of line

@@lwiksnnam3017 oh definitely, I'm saying address that and evolve the dynamic

@@lwiksnnam3017 it's already a Harmonism trope to make a joke into a character arc, do that hear

i'd like this, the dean was always my least favorite because of how he hit on jeff

Noooo i didn't noticed, Abed is confirmed

I kept waiting for him to point it out... ;_;

I NOTICED WHEN I WATCHED THAT EPISODE I WAS SO HAPPY

Omg i didn't realize

Well that's a freebie.

ohhhhhh SHIT you’re right!!! wow. so if abed hadn’t called dibs on the role that jeff would usually fill, on an alternate timeline (if i may) that could’ve been jeff and annie, a more expected pairing. DAMN

thats a brilliant observation

Yeah, we've seen time and time again that Abed sticks to the bit 100% when he's reenacting film scenes. Notably, he turns down Annie's flirting once he's not playing Han anymore, since he's Abed again and isn't actually interested in kissing Annie outside of the movie scene context.

i mean i agree but people also read homosexuality into everything. like i wouldn't say britta, annie, or really any of them are 100% straight or gay. like you don't _know_ know, because there's not much romantic subtext for any of them. but people call homosexuality on feminine/emotional men and shit and thats just kinda toxic. i get it if you wanna hc someone as gay for comfort, but saying that they definitely are gay just bc theyre close with each other is not great. their relationship is purely platonic, as far as we can tell. thats it.

Also the first line was entirely a joke lol

@@burdlo4687 OK my original reply to this has entirely disappeared?? But to clarify: 1. I think straight readings of these characters are totally valid. My main issue is when people ignore textual evidence and pretend it doesn't exist because it doesn't fit with their (heterosexual) interpretation. 2. I definitely don't think Troy and Abed (or anyone in the show) is gay just because they're close (or because they have feminine traits). I think they *might* be gay because their relationship is heavily coded as romantic. As explained in the video.

@@theladynim2 it isn't coded as romantic, though. the point of their friendship is that they're extremely close. they say they love each other, hug each other, and jokingly plan their life out years in the future. that isn't romantic coding. romantic coding is different. it's deeper, and it's _romantic._ like. for some reason 2 friends who are close are considered to be coded as romantic? i've had a few friends who i loved and cuddled with, but they were just friends. that was never romantic, and it probably seemed romantic to close minded people with too many expectations, but it was not romantic unless it became romantic, which is very different. you can ship them and want them to be together, but their relationship is not "coded" as romantic. johnlock was coded as romantic (im still pissed about that one) because everyone assumed they were dating throughout the show, and it's implied that you'd want them to date. trobed isn't "coded" as romantic. that doesn't mean you can't ship them, but the coding isn't there.

@@burdlo4687 Did you... Watch the video? Cos I'm not gonna re-explain the whole thing to you. But to put it as plainly as possible the writers *intentionally* draw parallels between Troy and Abed's relationship and explicitly romantic relationships over and over and over again. Their scenes are full of romantic tropes. They frequently make references to romantic films and TV shows when talking about their friendship. All that is romantic coding. Now does it mean that the writers thought of them as gay? No probably not. It's done for comedic effect mostly. The show absolutely wants you to see them as just two very close friends and that's totally valid. That's canon. But to say there's no hint of potential romance even vaguely implied there? it's just straight up not true.

we will die on this hill holding each other in a thinly veiled metaphor for all of gay history

@@hellohello-ic4dh in a totally not gay way, of course!

no you're absolutely right

Even Pierce, I'm not sure. Between the hint at romance with Abed in the Sara Bareilles episode (it's a joke, but still) and his very intolerant father he still hasn't break from (in the gay episode even), and the fact that he tries many times to put himself between Troy and Abed (the stolen handshake, the jealousy in the housewarming episode) there's material for a theory there. And then he dies, he stirs up some shit in the study group... and at last breaks Abed and Troy for good. Yeah...

@@medealkemy wait you're absolutely right. i know the creators also intentionally draw a lot of similarities between Jeff and what we would expect young Pierce to act like, the only difference is that Jeff is a lot more empathetic and by season 2/3 he kind of breaks out of the "straight male protagonist" archetype. so it would make sense if Pierce was "y'know" because in my opinion Jeff is so obviously not straight (i could write an essay about it as a gay person with a bad relationship with my parents who deflects and uses sarcasm as a coping mechanism) i was kind of disappointed because his character grows so much throughout the seasons. also like how the video talks about reclaiming the Trobed gay jokes, they could do the same with Jeff since he's literally the but of every other gay joke on the show (which are usually made by Pierce, go figure). i also hated the "gay guys go after straight guys" trope they were so obviously implying with the dean and Jeff... but that's another story.

Shirley definitely had some lesbian desires. She just was too scared to act on it

where's the essay op

@@tswizzle2020 i have an ap gov frq to write but ig i'll write a community essay instead 🙄

She also graphically described having sex with a girl in the DND episode LMAO

there's so much on annie... so much

i started it in september of last year finished in march,, yeah no ill never be the same again

honestly i head cannon him as pan and asexual. he doesn’t really care about sex or gender he just wants a personal bond and someone to share everything he loves with.

@@helpme1310 sameeeee!

@@helpme1310 YESSS!!!

@@helpme1310 yess I always get asexual vibes from him, but definitely not aromantic. Asexual pan sounds exactly like Abed

I get kinda demisexual vibes from him. Prolly biased though because I'm demi

Its not the sixth season, troy is there unless he wears twice then please ignore my comment

@@lwiksnnam3017 he wears the same sweater 3 times lol. i looked it up but couldn’t find the exact sweatshirt

@@marl3ymarl3y86 oh ok sorry

@@lwiksnnam3017 lol don’t apologize ?

@@marl3ymarl3y86 sorry

They were wearing socks 🤨🤨🤨

@@alannat5221 because he's What

@@alannat5221 the. WHAT?!

about the “butt stuff” joke, there’s a compilation of all the jokes on youtube.

Ehh Annie and Troy are very one sided and Abed and Annie is slightly one sided. Abed only likes Annie when he’s in character and Troy just sees her as a friend (said in the shoe several times)

DUMBLEDORE. DID YOU GET MY TEXT? YOU DIDN'T TEXT ME BACK.

OH MY GOD UMBRIDGE STOP TEXTING ME!!!

@@graceyl.195 NOW YOU DRAG ME INTO THIS??

@@medealkemy LETS GET AN ARE THEY GAY FOR STARKID CHARACTERS

Ikrrr

he does that everytime they hug

Troy and britta were so bad! Maybe it was cuz of the gas leak year but srsly they completely changed troys character. He didnt care about brittas feelings at all in the relationship yet b4 that troy and britta were such good friends ( like the dance episode)

leya chang yes! They were awesome friends!

imo their pairing was well thought but poorly written (mainly due to the gas leak). There is a good video out there that explains their relationship (is called "A Defence of Troy & Britta")

I kinda loved their break up. But not because I hated them together so much, I just liked the way they handled it, showing platonic love is still very important.

Same

You camen

Even tho the episode sucked.

the relationship between troy and britta game me very much mlm wlw solidarity more then romantic/sexual partner

Well, Britta is 9 years older than Troy, and Jeff is 16-18 years older than Annie, so both are creepy but one more than the other

I mean it 11 years less but yeah it’s still really creepy

i mean the jeff/annie thing started when annie was 18, troy was already in his 20s and so more "adult" when he and britta started to be a thing. but yea its not a good pairing.

@@lindah3409 it’s also like a 11 years less but it’s still really creepy

Same

So I miss heard someone one day. They said they had Jet lag. I heard Het-lag, I started laughing then immediately adopted ther term for that award time before I knew I was Queer. You were never straight you just had a bad case of Het-lag.

Oh my God I love that

Remember: gay people wouldn't exist without straight people.

@@cockroachv I call bullshit because bisexuals and pansexuals exist. Checkmate homophobe!

I can name several sitcom male friendships like Troy and Abed, but can't name any like how you just mentioned 😞

In Blue Flag the main character and his best friend get married at the end and it’s really cute

trobed movie trobed movie

6 seasons and a movie!!!

@@sabergachavids9260 yes!! Six seasons and a movie !

#andamovie

Two years later the community movie is going to happen!

Yep, agreed

Yes!! It’s so nice cause there’s a lack of black gay people and i think it really feeds into homophobia in the community. It’s great to see it.

i thought it is alt-tiktokers' fav drink

We need a video on Drake and Launchpad

@@Quackervoltz Yes!

Frankies "its none of anyone's business" stance was also something i didnt see very much.

I felt that deep in my soul 😔

5 times lmaooooo

Si girl 👀

solo en español

Sí

Wait... is this _a thing... that we do?_

HahAHa... I dO tHat *insert vine*

@@nella_paulina most of the time I don't even realize I'm doing it

that's what she said

* obligatory ‘hey another fander!’ reply *

yup! it’s canon that he is. :) have you seen the show? if not, i recommend. abed is my favorite neurodivergent and autistic representation, i’ve never seen a character who resonated with me more.

That's so cool! I might end up watching the show because it seems interesting

@UCoblXRpG2rEgxe2h8uOBDYg thanks for correcting me I sometimes forget

Yeah, one of the writers discovered he was autistic through writing Abed!

Yeah, it says it a few times, it helps, I’m on the spectrum and he’s one of the best portrayals of autism, a 2009 sitcom character is one of the best portrayals of autism. People really don’t know how to portray us.

Wait a minute in the only scene we see demons it’s the dean saying gay marriage so hear me out Evil Troy and Evil Abed are gay married

Uh m

Imagine that he makes an episode ending with “no they aren’t gay”

@@lwiksnnam3017 :00

I would recommend you watch it. It can be a tad insensitive at times and it gets off on a rough foot in season one but late season one and 2&3 it is pure found family goodness and shenanigans. 5&6 are pretty good as well but skip four. We need to recruit enough people to get #sixseasonsandamovie

Don't skip season 4. Its just 14 episodes and it's still mostly entertaining and sometimes pretty good even though it's by far the weakest season

@@georgevelis4651 I sort of meant don't judge the show by season 4 and keep going. It does have some good episodes(notably the thanksgiving one and the freaky friday spoof). It just isn't Community, y'know?

You should watch it, season one kinda sucks and you'll hate all the characters except for Abed (from my experience) but season 2 &3 are really really nice

I couldnt get past the 1st episode of season 4 bc I spoiled it for me and wasnt ready 4 the heartbreak