Even in the books he wants to leave the Night's Watch to save Arya(it's actually Jeyne Poole) and gets killed for it

@@BulletGM wait what, was she the one that got raped by ramsay?

@@BulletGM He didn't want to leave Nigth's Watch ... he wanted to use it to save what he thought was Arya.

Pickle Chin Ah Boy read the damn books you illiterate

@@picklechinahboy4437 Yes,Sansa never married Ramsay..

+ISchulz Agreed. Mormont's leadership qualities are top-notch.

+ISchulz Well, it does matter a bit! I mean a king who sends every single soldier north is always going to be better than someone who believes the stories of White walkers are just stories by drunken Nights watch members.

+ComplainingIsEasy That's not necessarily true- more soldiers north may mean more wights.

+Jakeasaur You need to send as much soldiers up north as possible to have a chance at defeating them. if you wait until the White Walkers come south to fight them you might have no chance. The way the first men and the COTF defeated them during the long night was confronting them head on.

Rouskey Carpel I don't that, I agree waiting it out would end up badly. Trouble is its gonna end badly no matter what. Not that it can or ever will happen, but the best way to deal with the WW would have been to recognise their threat early and send Ser 20 of House Goodmen with Valyrian Swords or something before that many wights could be risen.

One of the worst betrayals in cinema history

@@FormerGovernmentHuman Well said !

True.. I prefer to focus on the good parts of this show, ie these seasons

truly insane how much time was spent building up the walkers for it to fizzle out so pathetically. how the show's writers expect to be allowed to work on interesting, well funded projects after how they treated the end... it boggles the mind

@@MenachemSchmuel all the actors seem to think the ending was just fine and that we are just upset that we didn’t get the ending we wanted . But that is just BS , Season 8 will go down in TV history as the biggest drop in quality a TV show ever had . Even the actors who have defended it so vehemently will see in time what the audience saw .

Well they're all dead now lol.

Now I ship Jon x Iron throne

I read this comment thinking it was 5 years old...

looks more like dannys gonna take the iron throne and since jon seems like hes related to the blood of the dragons danny might even help jon with the walkers

+Lorfin949 she wont have a choice when the white walkers finally attack

lmao

Amazing

I’m fucking dying

Underrated comment x1000

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We still have 1 Mormont.

I don't like the starks

You're not from Westeros, XWOLFXSkiller..

XWOLFXSkiller Your weird

Hear Me Roar

Sudharshan Hariharan Unlike Season 8 episode 3

the good old days my friend

it means his friends honour right??

Especially when you think about how Jon dies in the books. Jon sent away all of his friends to other locations. When he started breaking his vows no one came to save them because they were no longer there

Copied and pasted from the books

affected

He was a great father figure for jon same with aemon

@@firstnamelastname8206 You replied to a 4 year old comment to correct its grammar? You are the coolest person ever.

@@firstnamelastname8206 damn son, he must be grateful af for your correction

@@3xpl017s as fuck

Wiser words never said.

It does, actually. The right man, or woman, will send the men and materials needed to hold the wall and be able to hold everything together during the chaos that would ensue from a zombie apocalypse.

Jack Murphy well i doubt any man can do that now the kingdom is ruined, bankrupt and starving im seriously starting to wonder how the hell are the WW going to be stopped once the wall falls

Rain worse

+Jack Murphy Not if the zombies had a Nights King

Ah how the writers ruined this show

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Yup and HBO even told them they would allocate enough funding for them to do 10 seasons. Dumb and Dumber didn't care, they wanted that Star Wars money. HBO should of made them do 10 seasons, whether they liked it or not. HBO is the boss, not them.

@@BigSnakey2 HBO offered them 10 and more season with grrm, the writers had a contract for 8 seasons, the writers refused to change it you cant breach a contract, the legal battle afterwards would have killed the show entirely

But, Robb's War didn't last longer? Even with D&D fucking up people who say that aren't paying attention given this war starts here and ends season eight. Robb's War starts here and ends at the red wedding. The wildling war is entirely because of the white walkers

@@ryankasch5561 The fuck are you talking about. War for the Dawn doesn't start until Others breach the Wall and invade the rest of the world. Everything Night's Watch related from seasons 1 onwards is merely a prelude

unfortunate. if Jon had looked to more immediate wars, then maybe the NK wouldnt get a dragon and is stuck behind the Wall for eternity

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 The whole amnesia of the nights watch is dumb tbh George RR Martin simply wanted a show of movie made on his work he wrote it too be adopted and now you're witnessing his abandonment of it lol

@@jabronisauce6833 he didn't write seasons 5 through 8. That was Dan and Dave.

your comment is awesome, it shows the optimism for the end of a show that never came to fruition, quite a nice moment to bask in

​@@Jimmyisabot hahaha idk how I saw this in my notifications, but this reply is awesome - you are absolutely right, and your point made me feel nostalgic. I miss that excitement that was building before the anticlimactic end. Jon Snow's character arc deserved better.

FrozenGrip dont hold your breath on geogre having the overall outcome of the battle against the dead the others to be much different in the books.

@@n3n3b3n3 As long as it wasn't done piss poorly as the show did it then I dc.

George's message has constantly been anti war, so to end the series and for the big bad to be defeated in a triumphant battle, like in LOTR (which is a trope he dislikes) wouldn't really fit, I also dont think the White Walker's winning would also fit, perhaps there would be an agreement between the two sides, like the first Long Night

@@n3n3b3n3 He will die before they are finish. He's in his 70s. Very overweight and has the pace of a snail because he already has all the money he wants. His priority is enjoying what's left of his life. Can't say I blame him.

Valar morghulis more like valar pointless

He was the big old bear

Jon is also just a small dude

Ya it also might be comparison to Harrington

Arguably the best casting in the entire series. Reading the books I still picture show Jeor.

that's Jeor fookin Mormont

Dude all these storylines had so much potential. Remember that ending of season 1. This scene, the Robb Stark being named king in the north, the dragons singing. I was having a full nerdgasm. Never thought I'd see a show that literally had every single element I loved. Political intrigue, toxic family dynamics, awe inspiring fantasy, horror and mystery with the Walkers, coming of age for Jon, Robb, Dany, Bran, Arya, Sansa. Noble houses coming together to fulfill sworn oaths after Ned was beheaded. Just too epic.

I once watched a fanedit of just the nights watch scenes, and by God was it more captivating then anything else i watched at the time. it could have been its own series.

They made them really one dimensional in s8, they should have stayed longer with something to say at least

It's the same thing with jaws. Jaws 1 hid the shark for most of the movie, and that made it much more terrifying than actually seeing it. Its the same with the white Walkers. Plus, untalented sons and daughters plague the media in all mid to top tier positions, so as soon a movie or show moves away from the original writing, (GOT, Starwars et cetera)quality drops dramatically.

Oh get over it for crying out loud! It wouldn’t matter a jot how it played out; even with the perfect finish the wonder will fade from the early days, just like any book, series, movie, whatever. You’re like a bunch of entitled, spoiled girls.

Yes. Sandor too.

From a boy who knows nothing to a man knows something.

Who's jon

@@finnheisenheim8274 to a boy who only knows how to serve his queen

Imagine gow better jon's charcters would've been if he stayed in the north with sansa and behaved more like a king.

+irish91ify I don't. This scene may look and sound heroic, but, as we all quickly come to learn, it goes down hill fast.

+fred fry its game of thrones everything goes downhill fast for the good guys

wayne king u mean for everyone

He said "who ran away FOR the night". In other words, having cold feet but coming right back is fine to him. The guy at the beginning ran away with zero intention of coming back and was gone so long that they knew about it and Ned caught him.

pettiness? the real enemy wil destroy them all if this war cripples westeros and its ability to defend itself. under Robert Westeros was an entirely different beast. also by one theory, if Jon had just ignored the "real war" then the real war never arrives as they have no way past the Wall without zombie wight dragons. Daenerys had already promised to help. bringing the wildligns south was like a barest of bandaids and it only made everything worse. by bringing an army of rapists south, Jon alienated his own men and the rest of the entire North which got Rickon killed and thouands more northerners.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 lol they already had a plan of passing the wall by the time jon went north of the wall the white walkers are already marching south which means they already had a plan to cross the wall the dragon made it easy that's all

@@crazychandu5808 such as?

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Night King had undead giants and such,we know what they can do to a gate.They could even pile up at the wall,world war Z style.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 they were just going to freeze the bay and walk over it

Because it is closer to the book

I was so happy to see Carl Tanner being killed. Dissapointed at Jon's fight, Carl could very well kill him, but I'm glad Lord Commander Mormont was avenged. And now his watch is ended.

He actually starred as Santa in Chronicles of Narnia.

The Santa Claus part made me laugh

@@ministr2302 That actor has been playing beefy grandpas for like 30 years, I swear. You usually don't see old guys who look like that outside of Mexicans.

you are a racist, bigot , women, minority rights you violate.

For me, season six was the last great season… They gave us battle of the bastards for crying out loud

It's so clear how desperate they were for a capable young leader to replace them when they died at their posts.

What season is this

Same goes with yara..she went to winterfell to get theon back with her men..even that scene while she was going had epic bgm and thought she will bring him back.. but they couldn't stand before Ramsey's 20 good men..

You're right... good example.

+Hemanth khureshi That was the Dreadfort not Winterfell

MrDonnie54 .... he would be bringing back a bag of bones and would have to get the skull of the spike in the red keep and reanimate that too

MrDonnie54 it would be interesting if Jon became the night's king but in a good way like will Turner being the Dutchman to guide the dead

It's foreshadowing Jon's 2nd death, season 6 and 7 Arya and Sansa have two similar conversations with this and Jon and Sansa in season 6,Jon will be beheaded it is known

I was thinking more like, getting their head out of their asses.

Lyanna Mormont's got them fools covered dw

I was reading that last line inside remembering Jon snow's voice..:-D

stop them with dragon glass, valyrian steel and frickin dragons. and an imp

From the other kingdoms standpoint, you have a better chance at convincing them dany has 3 dragons compared to the dead are coming. Even ned didnt believe the deserter in episode 1 and their slogan is, "Winter is coming."

Lol so true...

that was after his watch had ended.

Xross SweatPantz true at that point he had no obligation to stay with the watch besides out of honour for his fallen brothers but that sense of honour withered the day his brothers stabbed him, their own lord commander, in the heart and killed him. He owes them nothing now, he is free now , his watch has ended.

He (ultimately) did it because the other Northern lords wouldn't provide assistance. Watch Davos's speech to Lady Mormont again.

jon attacked the boltons so he can unite the north and prepare to fight against the army of the dead not to march south u idiot

Um no.

+Gooby LMAOOO!!! Exactly!

Just what are you alluding to? I bet it turns out to be important.

Gooby Dude he's using a knife while eatting food The foreshadowing!!!!

Splendifirous no it's not it's reference to the recent attack from the wights do you people even know what foreshadowing is

There's audiobooks read by Roy Dotrice if that helps. Season 1 is better than book 1, but after that the books start to have waaay more scenes I missed from the show. There's also hundreds of giants in the book.

When dead men and worse come hunting for us in the night do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne? No, only matters where is Arya at that moment

They could have at least made her disguise herself as one of the whitewalkers but no, she flies from a magic portal...

@@MrWatcherQuiet how would she obtain a face from something that disintegrates upon death?

Enlistment is for suckers. Be a commissioned officer or don't join at all.

+SecretAgentMan00 If all the men are suckers and idiots the life of an officer won't be that good either. Thank goodness some of us are simply content with a life of mediocrity and following orders.. lol.

So you did the exact opposite of what joer mormont was talking about?

Phantom X Mormont basically gave Jon the option of "You down to roll out and do some real shit or just stay here doing the same shit of bitching about things thousands of miles away that are out of your control?" Thrill seekers (usually the young) looking for adventures find it one way or another if they want it bad enough.

SecretAgentMan00 youd be a shit officer.

Well, we know Jon Snow (who left the NW after his death) and Samwell Tarly are still alive.

BK said noone ever

Um this is way back. Kit has improved a lot. He is a much stronger actor as seen in the latest 3 seasons. Lets not forget he had no significant acting experience before GOT. Also the writers explicitly asked him to act dumb and boyish then.

+BK There are way more people who praises Kit' performance like me. I did not like it as much initially but from season 5 he is very good. Emilia, well her role is written badly.

BK He's told by the director to have no range and act like a passive stoner. It's obvious when seeing him outside the role of Jon Snow that he has more range.

BK In the books, Jon is always brooding (And he's like 14!) so that was probably their intention; to have Kit be an emotionless slug to reinforce the brooding serious emo-ness. They probably, along with Kit, got better at their jobs in future seasons. Not by much, though. lmao.

That is James Cosmo for you...

Robb would have been forced to behead him for deserting. I guess that is interesting.

***** I doubt Robb would have beheaded him. He probably would have pardon him and let him fight by his side.

AzzRaze Never underestimate the Starks' honor induced moronic decision makings.

majungasaurusaaaa What's so moronic about that scenario? Everyone knows the Night's Watch vows and the price you pay for deserting. If Jon actually deserted one of his brothers would take his head. Be it Robb or a brother of the Night's Watch. Jon agreed to that fact the moment he swore his vows. The Starks are one of the few houses to actually keep the vows they swear and bear the consequences for breaking them. That's not moronic, that's the only rightful way. I call it moronic when people can swear and break vows like some 5-year old's petty promises without having to fear any consequences whatsoever.

Hrodberht Asagod You mean like Robb keeping his vow to marry Walder Frey's daughter? I don't think it would be as clear-cut as you're suggesting.

*son tries to remove arrow YOU IDIOT, BOY! *snaps arrow. Gets back to the fight

He was expecting the worst.

Mormont tells Jon in the books that he doesn't expect small groups of scouts to find Benjen. He thinks a group that large would draw enough attention that Benjen and the missing rangers (if alive) would be able to find them instead.

I separate the first 4 seasons from the rest of the show.