Can you upload the video on the google disk? It's not possible to see it since some phony SME blocks the stuff with its small selfish author rights

@@TheParetoPrinciples the best i have is this link, which youtube might not allow... the last 10 minutes are missing unfortunately... if i can track down a more complete file i'll let you know drive.google.com/file/d/17s-AgfGEapl19UbBHH8564DcmqjDFBhE/view?usp=drive_link

@@estefez Thank you!

I was just thinking that. The limitations of the rendering forced things to look a certain way, and forced artists to focus on certain things, things that could be expressed with simple components. This made creations that have a certain whimsy about them - something we appreciated then as "computer graphics" and something we appreciate now as a "retro look". It's a unique feel of it's own.

well some smaller artists make them a bit again, mainly for vaporwave music videos. check out blank banschee - eco zones for example. its a whole music and artistic movement dedicated to the surreal and consumerist atmosphere of back then.

I certainly don't miss the bizarre stuff you could see on The Lawnmower Man and other movies/shows of that era. Then again, I'm more interested in how far you can push the technology today rather than dwelling in the past.

I have the same opinion you do. I think CGI is way too over polished these days, and I believe most animators rely way too heavily on rendering engines to do most of work on the appearance of the graphics.

Azariachan I respect your opinion, and you're right that people need to keep moving forward with technology, but computer animation needed to start somewhere. If it wasn't for these animations, the graphics we have today would of never of even been a thought. They would not of had an example to draw inspiration from in order to evolve into the high resolution visuals we have now. And just because people are interested in relics of the past, doesn't mean they "dwell" in it. How is it any different from retro gaming enthusiasts who love 8-bit video games and play vintage game consoles such as the NES? Do they live in the past too much? Besides, in order to change the future you FIRST need to know the past. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

I used to call this the computer movie too! My mom used to get these types of videos from the library and I think about them all the time

I love these computer animation vhs tapes. I still have mine in fact.

Same here. This brings back so many memories… I even remembered the weird lyrics of “fabricated rhythm” lol.

I remember it used to have some electronic dance songs that comes with it, not knowing it was just using random bits of 3D videos of this. I can’t find the songs anymore

same... the opening scene of the fish and bird just did something to me

Unity is a good place to start! It's free and pretty easy to make primitive scenes with!

Edmund Earle thanks

Rose Child Blender too.

Do blender, turn off shadows, and do the default blender render

I feel you, dude. I feel the exact same way. I’ve spent hours and hours thinking about it, and cursing out the mere fact it’s hard. Because I solemnly agree with you, i have to write a lot. Try ancient hardware on eBay or abandonware/old versions of 3D software. There’s sites like Vetusware. Don’t ask me if it’s ridden with viruses. They’ve got the very first version of 3D Studio, don’t know when it was made but it was certainly made before Wolfenstein 3D. Unfortunately, something like a pixar computer was very rare and would be worth big bucks. If you want to do it with modern software, get Blender and fudge around with texture and lighting settings. The thing I made that looked oldest? It didnt look all whimsical like this, but it looked like a teenager in 3D graphics class back in the 90s made their major project animation. If you just want to make a whole “80s 3d animation trip”, make multiple clips with different backgrounds. Make ALL textures and models lowpoly, and relatively simple. Make the lighting in a way you find satisfactory. Do NOT look for pre made 3D models, unless it’s something like the newell teapot or “Money for Nothing” characters. And when it’s something like a wooden table or marble floor, whatever, that’s the only time it should look relatively high detail. For EXTRA good results, you should find a way to put it on a VCR and back to computer. That’s probably my most extensive of knowledge, sorry if it is genuinely pathetic

Yes to having no Ambient Occlusion! I'd also say Phong Specular Shading will do wonders...

I must disagree with you on a few of those. That's a good way to get an "early 2000's video game" look but won't get you 80's CGI. There's surprisingly few visible polygons here. Lighting and shading don't look especially primitive either, though shadows etc are usually "off". I think most of these are actually raytraced! Remember that raytracing mostly came first; modern shading and lighting effects are fast statistical approximations of things which "happen naturally" when raytraced. Why did they use such a hellishly slow graphics method on such hellishly slow computers? Raytracing had the advantage of not being **memory** intensive. Even the biggest supercomputer only had a Raytracing can calculate intersections on raw shapes themselves, be they spheres, curves, or blobby NURBS abominations, without dividing them into polygons first. You can fit a lot more curves in memory than polygon meshes. So you see a lot of curves and primitives in old CGI. You also find procedural textures, maybe even entire procedural **objects** defined mathematically, sub-scenes glimpsed through monitors and windows, etc. What you don't get are anything that requires the computer to store large graphical textures or large object meshes in memory (except that "los angeles" thing, whose entire claim to fame was "WOW! Our computer was big enough for a BUMP MAP!") So my advice is: * Build things out of curves and primitives. * Depend on procedural textures. * No image maps, bump maps, particle effects, or anything else with thousands of individually stored coordinates. * Procedural maps, on the other hand, are perfectly fine. * Use the fancy features (shadows, refraction, reflection, complex lighting) for ONE central object which shows them off blatantly, or don't use them at all. If you want an old-fashioned raytracer, there's always POV-ray.

@@tsm688 neat, ty i saved this for reference

ISn't this vaporwave?

tsm688 thx :). I’ve been always fascinated by the 80’s/90’s aesthetic.

Agreed.

I never thought of it that way but you’re totally right

try watching the first shrek movie. the shitty aesthetic extends well into the early 2000's, but by then it REALLY stands out as just terrible.

This is all 90s

Most definitely not 90s. Toy story was released in 1995, these renders are from a decade earlier. Stephen Spielberg shoe amazing discoveries had 3d animated opening and that from 86-87

@DaWhiteCat assthetic is dead.

You two were the ones that killed it

The word you mean is Stylistic.

Don't ruin it

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84 here, yea good times! why is it tough to make this currently? it for sure has that liminal feel.

Had to mention the sega 😎🤙

every 60 seconds, a minute passes...

lol thats how kids in year 2050 wil talk about trillions of dollars "Thats just 1 Trump unit of currency"

@@AckzaTV what the fuck are you talking about?

@@12GaugeEngage Orange man bad

@@wilhufftarkin8543 I’m pretty sure it was a joke about the inflation rate just like how for us a gigabyte is like nothing but back like 20 years ago it was so much

Same, maybe from seeing old VHS movies and documentaries and movies in school, on TV, and at home from this Era of animation. I remember having teachers that used to constantly play science documentaries from the school libraries from the 80's or 90's and having to watch them on the old box tvs.

I was born in 2006. and I can say the same, though it's probably because here in croatia a lot of kids' shows in the early 2000's had pretty shitty 3d cgi still.

2003, and yeah same. It's very distant and liminal, and I can hardly make out the surreal images, but I remember before stuff was where it is today. Like distant memories of teletubbies and superman versus brainiac and walls and environments of cracks crags and cliffs of a monotone material I would see 8n dreams. This is a very strange feeling and I want to express some of this through art some day

@@GnatWasJulian born 2000 and somehow anyone born past 2005 seems like a kid until I do the math.

2002 had awesome 3d animations You were literally born a year after a CGI masterpiece came out in 2001: Final Fantasy the Spirits Within This predates you, the "nostalgia" you feel isnt personal because you have no memory of this era...its a more general nostalgia the way one might feel "nostalgia" watching a movie from the 1940s even though we werent alive back then

u old bruh

Catherine Sayles get a life bruh

+K DeT *it was a joke bruh*

Bruh

Ok Boomer.

dude this really is crazy. You hit the nail on the head.

Fun fact. Computers were so slow that rendering of this prestation started back in 1983 and finished after 5 years.

@@chatlanin4135 Oh wow!

I'm amazed you were able to track them down! To add to it: the original end credits song was Ever the Optimist by Patrick O'Hearn... sadly not copied in this video. It's also sad that there don't seem to be digital tracks for some of these!

Edmund Earle Hi! I own a copy of this on VHS, and long ago, I used the Shazam app on my phone to identify the songs. The album they’re on is pretty good! Unfortunately I can’t seem to identify the two, three other network pieces used in the compilation.

@@gaogaen464 So Synapse is the correct song name, from an album called "Urban Lifestyles (Medium Tempo)", but I can't find any composer credits. I'm curious where the Spencer Nilsen attribution comes from, would be very interesting if true

vr0p The composers for all the songs are listed on the Killer Tracks (name might have changed) website. Spencer Nilsen was credited as “S Nilsen”, Brian Bliss was credited as “B Bliss” and so on.

@@gaogaen464 nice, thanks. I also found Nilsen and prodded his brain, and he confirms!

The nostalgia does cross over to a degree. What do you think of Max headroom? It was both extremely dated but I remember watching it in 1997, 10 years after it came out thinking that it was the most realistic futurism I had ever seen. Such as a live action anime.

It might be the music giving it a creepy surreal vibe.

You probably talkin about Dire Straits money for nothing music video

Wut

That's awesome. It's those too few people in life that sure make an impact

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My music teacher made me a VHS rip of The Minds Eye in 92 i may still have it in a box somewhere. Early CGI was wild stuff.

Mind's Eye

I think, if you would make something inspiring or touching on audiance's deep dreams, it should definility goes "unreal"

can't isn't the same as Isn't

This is 90s

​@@selfishbeatsGrammar not see what are you talking about? They're statements got across

@@supme7558 it can be replicated, it just isn't replicated

It’s only 5 years later Jurassic park came out and that took a few years to make!

Wym. If these animators were using these tools in 1988 they probally are the developers of modern day animation tools or work at Profesional animation studios. Never understood these comments lmao

@@moon47underground He meant if you time travel and show them today's technology in that time... No one knew what 2023 computers would be capable of

These are raster graphics which were not that slow to do even back in those days if you had the right gear. These were probably done with silicon graphics supercomputers meant for computer graphics, which cost a quarter of a million dollars back then. The power was probably equal to a high end computer made in 2015. The tech was there, it was just expensive.

They are the people whi developed the latest graphics so maybe they are just proud of what tbey have achieved from the past.

Same. I watched this in the very early 90's on VHS tape repeatedly. I was hooked. It blew me away.

I had this one VHS as a kid and I loved it! I just re bought it on Ebay for $10!

The reason 3d animation moved toward realism, is that if you can produce a realistic model, you can produce anything. Rendering in the 1990's with Ray Tracing could produce pictures that looked real, but they were "perfect". A watch couldn't be that shiny for example.

good news- I found the end credits music- it was playing on Sirius XM spa channel- what are the chances? Patrick O'Hearn: "Forever The Optimist" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/atB9h5h6yLG8hac.html

The end credits song is called Forever the Optimist, and it’s by Patrick O’Hearn.

​@@estefezSIRIUSOPOLIS SIRIUSXM was thinking about it. Estevez? A...

Sounds like i use to know

I don't think it's nostalgia. At least not entirely. I was born in '01 and this has that "nostalgic" feeling that most art and media from I'd say between the late 60s to about 1997 has. It's fun, calm, warm, innocent seeming, not overwhelming when it's exciting. I think people got all depressed for some dumb reason lately and it's ruining their work. I dunno.

You are right bro. People just need to be a little bit more "limited" to get more dream and imagination.

Don't sell yourself so short, that's a beautiful and tragic reflection on the state of things. These works are born purely of their own vision, where today creators feel pressured to fit into neat little boxes, lest they be ostracized and blackballed by their peers. I feel this even when looking at today's "weird" creators; the desire to be relevant and appealing instead of timeless and challenging. Kubrick was hated for his landmark films on release, called a pervert, sadist, psycho, but only in retrospect did we all come to realize how brilliant he was. As long as we keep to our neat little boxes, we will never have another Kubrick. _"But that's just what people want, now. People wonder why jazz is dying."_

I think everyone back then was just excited to be able to animate stuff that would have been impossible using claymation and practical effects. They were like 'look what crazy shit we can do now'. 3d animation has now been toned down and turned into a commercial product, but when I started I just wanted to do crazy shit like set up hundreds of rotating glass prisms and orbs and shine light through them to make wacky effects. Props to these early pioneers for working all this stuff out, the refined software packages we have today are built off the hard work of these dudes.

no i get it

I think part of the point is that it takes advantage of the limitations of the medium to fool the viewer. We assume the transparent sheet is the surface of the water, frozen or not, but the animation betrays our expectations and reveals it's just a sheet of ice, and the two species live in the same medium. It's neat

@@donsancho6690 are you sure about this? it looked like the bird was floating in water not floating in air.

@@nightseekerklemont7225 i can see why you think that.... i could be wrong. i guess its just counter intuitive for me that the birds seem to be able to swim like fish underwater. also the fact that there is no water surface to be seen after the breaking of the ice

Dam u old lul

Yeah imagine back then the entry level home pc was an XT or 80286 with 640x480 resolution at best... damn. 80386 anf 80486 are the highend expensive stuff.

Please guide me on how to start my career in animation.

Please. 🙏

If you are talking about the path tracing I think you should have to think twice.....

Do you mean you caused a dropout (or several)?

Probably an Amiga

@@studioviper3016 Yeah most likely, I don't know if SGI existed when this was made.

Very little was standard. Shops had their own in-house machines and software. A lot of them rendered straight to videotape with no in-between storage

@Wenceslao Ltnc did u find the softwares?

​@@chrizplayz216probably an Amiga running Lightwave

Softimage 3D from Montreal wad a big one. Released for Silicon Graphics workstations in 89.

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