This Artusi/Monteverdi (or preservation/exploration) dynamic is so relevant now in so many musical communities. Certainly in the early music community, but also in Irish music, bluegrass, jazz, and hip-hop. My favorite Tuvan throat singing group put it best: "traditional music is like a tree-the roots reach deep into the past, and the branches keep growing out towards the future. The tree needs both to survive."

Never thought I'd laugh out loud at an early music lesson so many times. Such great content and I love your sense of humor! Thank you!

It is a good day when Early Music Sources uploads

I am Italian, exactly like Artusi and Monteverdi! I would like to highlight a play on words in the name of "Academic Dull". In Italian, "ottuso" is an adjective which means "dull" or "obtuse". "Academico", on the other hand, means simply Academic. So "Ottuso Accademico", in Italian, sounds more or less like "Academic Dull"! Thanks for your very interesting videos!

One of the most incredible KZfaq channel out there (for me). Thank you so much for providing such great content

I would love to hear Artusi's and Monteverde's view of modern jazz.

This is AWESOME! I had a great time learning all this. Thanks!

Finally got around to this video, and I love it! Your posts are always fascinating and incredibly informative, and your design and use of graphics are frosting on the cake! I've been fascinated by this period in music since my days as a Music undergrad literally 50yrs ago, and your videos do the period full justice. Thank you!

This channel is a pure TREASURE

Amazing guys!! Thanks for sharing and congrats from Argentina! ♥️♥️

I'll just add my own appreciation for Early Music Sources in general, and this interesting (and entertaining!) video in particular. Bravo!

It's been a while, but I'm glad you're still posting :):) - very informative

I think I may be a bit of a modern-day Artusi. I prepare all my dissonances, including sevenths, and started composing this way because it is a way to write coherent counterpoint, which is what I gradually worked out I wanted to do. There’s 400 years of good music that shows that this is not totally necessary, but once sevenths become consonances and there is one monolithic bass-line, it becomes difficult to compose music in a large number of parts (say 12 or more).

the introduction makes me feel like i asked someone why another person who was having a fit was angry

Thanks Elam! You make KZfaq better

THANK YOU ELAM, this is epic :D

Such a fantastic youtube channel. Thanks for all your brilliant work.

A very recent discovery and I'm loving it. What an excellently interesting channel.

Thanks to EMS to share in a very illustrative way priceless masterclass, greetings from Ecuador!

Thank you for this great video!

Just updated the Wikipedia article on Seconda pratica to remove Myth #1!

Thanks! Brilliant video. Very helpful

just recently found out about this channel, and I love it! Easily my new favorite. Too bad most of the sources are in italian, or I would've researched them long ago!

Very informative and enjoyable, keep the good work up! thank You :)

Amazing video!

Thanks! Amazing and very useful information!

De nuevo lo digo, maravilloso trabajo!!!!!

Best KZfaq channel ever!

Many thanks!

Thank you Elam. Thank you and your blue pig. These videos are very interesting. Everything must come from somewhere.

Excellent channel

Thank you

4:25 this is like 200 or 300 years more advanced than its era. This channel is amazing and it's sad at the same time because it reveals the cruel reality of the history of music, brilliant and genius masters of composition totally censored EVEN BY MODERN GUYS who just don't understand this art... Just sad.

this is soooooooooo great!

Bravo Elam!!!

Artusi's objectionable examples sounded so wonderfully 'Montrverdi" in all the right ways. When either 'problematic' voice was removed, it might've been more correct, but lost its uniqueness and distinctive flavor, for me at least. Monteverdi's music does break all kinds of rules, but always for a good reason or effect, and in so doing achieves a magical.quality hard to find in other compositions before or since. Fascinating to learn about the blow-back from Artusi, because if Monteverdi still sounds unique and magical to modern ears, what must the reaction have been at the premiere of Orfeo or the Vespers? Oh to have been there!

I was taught that the battle between Prima and Secunda was more about the application of the word (or text) in musical settings. The style antico and the style moderna each favoring a different approach to what was appropriate for "worded" music.

all the artusis of the world would not be able to stop it haha amazing

that scary & lovely mask with snakes on the harpsichord... I have got a similar one, but red

Nice show

Hello, Elam. Once more, thanks for the great video. Have a question. In 13:15 you brought a Luca's quote telling about the relation of music with the body, and I find this very uncommon. Do you have any recommendation of literature that discuss this relation?

Very, very nicely done, and very informative!. What program do you use for making your videos?

Have you discussed the issues in Il Nuove Musiche (1602) by Caccini? or Le Istitutioni Harmoniche (1558) by Zerlino?

Thanks for the clarification on "seconda practica," but what about Caccini's term "stile moderno"? Is it equivalent to seconda practica or something else entirely?

Artusi is an inspiration and a hero.

I still don't get what is prima pratica and what is seconda pratica. Can someone explain?

So Artusi did this (rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining) to Monteverdi to make his point? And before the madrigals in question would officially be published?

It was good to learn about Artussy.

Love your blue pig....

I wonder what Artusi would have thought about Boulez.

Me-oow!

Elam, how to contact you for a tutorial please? Thank you

Now, 400 years later, it is impressive to consider how many music lovers are flocking to hear performances of Artusi's theoretically ideal compositions, and how Monteverdi's flawed music has vanished into well-deserved obscurity. (If anyone is wondering - yes, I'm being facetious.)

"What was Giovanni Maria Artusi upset about?" His middle name?

this sounds like an ittalian class

_But it is jazzy_

So Monteverdi epically won , starting the Tonal Era , apparently....

LOL...everything new is old again.

If Artusi was alive today and listened to Jacob's music he would kill himself lol

Artusi does a little trolling

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i dont think artusi would like prokofiev lol

At the end, you get many things (sadly) wrong. Monteverdi could have been the one writing to Artusi. So its not a "myth" that Monteverdi came up with the terminus "seconda practica" himself. If you look into the sources, you see, that Monteverdi explains what "seconda practica" means and thus was the real inventor of that term. Secondly, later on, monody was a concept which was partly included in that term "seconda practica", which meant the new music - at monody became one part of that new music. So to say, monody isnt included in the seconda practica, is blatantly false (if you only limit the discussion to the first use of the term, then you are right tho, but noone does that). Thirdly, de Rore's madrigals are not comparable to Monteverdis. Monteverdis are muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better and have maaaaaaany more new techniques in it. Only because some guy found America maybe 1000 years ago, doesnt mean, that you can compare that to Columbus. Because noone heard of it or cared. And so it is with de Rore. De Cavalieri's madrigal is also not comparable, Monteverdi's sounds much better. And last but not least: Noone listens to Artusi today, but noone even came close to Monteverdi until this day; the only one maybe comparable is Bach. So Artusi was wrong and got destroyed by history.

This Monteverdi sounds horrible. Who would listen to such nonsense?

Povera musica! 🤦🏻‍♂️