I think they're all in The Burn drinking their alcohol of choice and playing triple triad

Pashtarot showed up, saw the Warrior of Light kill everyone in ARR, and peaced out. Probably looked up in Endwalker and was like "Man, I'm glad I decided not to fight that guy."

This is a good refresher on all the Ascians we have seen or heard of so far. I completely forgot about some of the ARR cutscenes with the Ascians.

I'd love to see Hythlodeus again. He's just a super based, underappreciated, and wonderful person.

Reminder that Lahabrea got absorbed into the Nidhogg Eye that Thordan used to power himself up, then Nidhogg used (along with his other eye) to possess Estinien, and then used by Ilberd to summon Shinryu. Safe to say that Lahabrea's pretty much a goner.

i like to think when Zodiark dead, those remaining Ascians goes: "well... shit. Zodiark's gone. What we gonna do now?" *long silence*

I'm gonna be honest, I was really lost and still a little lost about the whole Ascians group, had no idea what was going on part of the time. But now I completely understand what's happening, thank you for explaining it all

I feel like the Overlord(?) Ascians are personally more dangerous, as seen with Nabriales and Fandaniel. I've even begun to refer to them as "Rogue Ascians" due to their motives being more unpredictable

My take on the future of the ascians is totally speculative, but I kinda have a hunch that the team will want a fresh start and open up a new chapter. We might not see the story of the ascians continue, at least not in the large scale, because they might want to make room for something new. And if they are featured, they might be used to explore what it is like when your whole purpose is taken away from you. Do you cling onto the past conflict or are you able to move on and find a new purpose? And what will that purpose be? Of course it is not easy to make predictions purely in a chronological sense, since we have no idea whether we're even continuing the story from where the Endwalker ended. We might be sent to another shard or suddenly explore another era - whether it'll be past or even future. But in any case, a really brilliant video that gave a much clearer picture of the group as a whole. Keep up the good work!

Ryne is not a reincarnation of Minfiliia there is a point in shadowbringers where its explained that Minfillia possessed girls on the first and she was in control most of the time if not all the time for 100 years each time a girl would die she would find another suitable vessel to continue her job with Ryne however she decided to back away and remove her self from Ryne and give her back her individuality rather than being a puppet controlled by minfilia

So we DO have a stable time loop. Venat leaves a hole in her sundering spell to let the Paragons go unsundered because she knew that they had to be unsundered to go forward and create the future she heard about but she only heard about that future because it already existed because she let them go unsundered because she heard about the future... And I've gone cross-eyed.

i began playing in august 2021, and for the most part of 2.0's leveling i didn't take the ascians too seriously, but that cutscene after the credits, where they revealed zodiark's name... my first ff was 12, and since i knew how powerful he is in THAT game, i immediately realized that the ascians were NOT to be joked around with, and i remember myself saying out loud: "Oh... oh no... oh... oh, oh no...!" in ff12, there are 13 espers, which are the game's summons. defeat one in a boss fight, you can summon it. they're espers in that they're all creations of the gods that ended up rebelling against their creators in a war which was orchestrated by the holy element esper. the espers lost this war and were banished to the mortal realm... however, of these 13, there was one that didn't partake in this war: Zodiark. he was but a child even in his boss fight, and already at that point the gods feared his growth and so kept him locked as a child when they banished him... and he is the strongest esper by a MILE! hell, it's implied that if he HAD joined the war against the gods, he would've won! he has unavoidable non-elemental spells, becomes immune to magic for a period of time if you dispel him, has an unlimited range aoe that has a 50% chance of causing death+blind, takes reduced damage from the set damage of guns, and while he's weak to holy, he not only has reflect up whenever he can, the moment you find his elemental weakness, he shuffles his elemental resistances! on top of all this, at 20% his attack and spell speeds increase dramatically, and he becomes permanently immune to physical attacks for the rest of the fight. you MUST defeat him with spells from that point, but he still has reflect up, he still becomes temporarily immune to magic if dispelled, and he still uses that aoe death+blind! now take that knowledge, and learn that the main villains of 14 worship a god with THAT name... god that was such a moment of clarity

Great video. Have been looking for lore on the Ascians. I think it’s interesting that their true names are taken from Greek gods. Emet-Selch was Hades, Mitron was Artemis, Loghrif is Gaia, Fandaniel was Hermes, and I’m thinking that Lahabrea will be revealed to be Hephaestus.

I have to say, revisiting a lot of these Ascians and their stories makes you realise how they went from Evil Mwahaha Googieman to Actual People with a Goal they deemed just. It makes you wonder how much of Endwalker was even planned out back in the days of ARR or even 1.0. We know the model used for Ascian Prime was intended to be the 1.0 Ascian model, so I'd imagine the initial story for the Ascians changed with the move to ARR, but their goals and ways of achieving said goals seemed to change again after Heavensward, more specifically with Shadowrbingers. I mean why did the Ascians needs Louisoux's staff? How can the WoL's growth in power be called "the limitless potential of man" when it was the Ancients who had limitless potential and "Man" was seen, rightly so, as a mere fraction of what it once was? And why did so many of the Ascians look, act and even move like typical villains? Taking pleasure in the torment of those effected by their actions. Just look at the way Mabriales wiggles his fingers at Minphilia. Not exactly giving the impression of someone on a noble mission to bring back the lives lost to bring Zodiark about. I'm genuinely interested to see where the story was planning to go at each stage of development and how it changed over time. I mean, we were originally meant to go to Dalamud, not the other way around. So we know how some of the plans changed.

Honestly, I’m kind of hoping white auracite doesn’t wipe them out permanently. It’s cool as hell if it does, but it just makes me sad given that if they return to the aetherial sea, they could possibly live in this new world just fine. As for emmerololth: I’m gonna say it was probably the original and Galuf was wrong. Oversight is the most likely option, but I prefer the “Galuf was wrong” option.

Your channel is underappreciated. I've been wanting someone to make a video like this for years, so I'm really glad you did.

I love all your videos. I have a few notes on this one based on my own studies of the Ascians: 1) Emmeroloth, Igeyorhm, and Nabriales, like Mitron and Loghrif, would have had different shards of themselves awakened by Emet-selch using their respective constellations. It is possible for all of them to be around. This is why we see Emmeroloth in that cutscene despite their other shard's death during the events that destroyed the isle of Eureka. 2) I don't think that using white auracite destroys an Ascian forever, "never to return to the Aetherial Sea," or unsundered (and dead) Emet-selch, who was destroyed with auracite, wouldn't have been able to help us out in Ultima Thule. 3) Lahabrea would have been freed to return to the Aetherial Sea upon the death of King Thordan (the primal), since Hythlodaeus was also released by Zodiark to return to the Aetherial Sea upon the latter's death. Otherwise, again, his dead self couldn't have come to help us in Ultima Thule. 4) Return to the Aetherial Sea, for an Ascian, constitutes a final death. They cannot reform themselves and return to the physical world as they can if they are permitted to flee into the Rift. 5) It is likely that the Black-masked Ascians can *also* reform themselves and return to the Rift as evidenced by the fact that a non-overlord--a Sahagin, no less--could effect the same ability simply by using the Echo. Not to mention that Zenos, using the Resonant, is able to do the same, allowing him to return to his body despite having killed himself at the end of Stormblood. I hope you see this as a loving and constructive comment and not as a criticism. Your videos have corrected my own views on canon many a time, and I'm hopeful that I might be able to humbly do the same for you.

Your video's are just so well put together ! It's a shame you don't have more subscribers

Something that you touched on briefly that I thought you'd go more into is the fact that there are potential shards of every convocation member on each reflection of the Source. This could be an important point going forward if and when we ever visit more of the shards because even sundered these individuals seem to be very powerful and could inherently have access to unique magicks that others simply don't even WITHOUT being elevated to becoming an Ascian again. We need look no further than Gaia on the First who even in her 15-17 year old reincarnated form had incredibly powerful magicks and could tap into them even without formal training. Yoshi P also mentioned that if an unsundered Ascian ever chose to be reborn they would be in line with what's expected of their world but just a little bit more "special."

Ascians can only reform if they enter the rift through a crystal of darkness. It looked like Mitron was willingly returning to the star in his final moments. In which case he will probably be reborn as a completely new person. What i'm curious about is how the reincarnation process will handle the unsundered souls that were deposited into the aetherial sea. Do they get reborn as superhumans?

I really want them to bring back Travanchet, or address that Ascian Prime that was just loitering around in a cutscene during 1.0. Since he keeps getting referenced, seeing Travanchet again or finding out that he's a former convocation member would be so cool.

This is very well done. Thank you for your synopsis!

@5:20: This is why Zenos isn't coming back. He had no suitable host to claim, aside our own, and he didn't want that since it would mean we'd die, and he'd have no one to pit himself against.

This is so helpful. I was just thinking about this the other day while trying to explain it.

This is an amazing video. You get a subscription just for this. Look forward to more!

Ahh... I thought you had created the Asican's video (Emet - Selch, Elidibus and Labahrea.) I was searching on your list of videos. And only realize it is not there yet! Keep it coming. I am really looking forward to the lore explanation and your input. It is really nice video and I enjoy it

This was such a great video dude, Helped remind of everything that i had forgotten lol

Thank you for this! Needed a solid rundown of which is which after badgering Emet into telling you about the Convocation. I think after the destruction of Zodiark and the return of all the Ancient he was holding to the ethereal sea. Since they were never sundered it’s always possible that they will be reborn with powers intact-time will tell. I don’t think Gaia is completely depowered. She can still summon her mace and Ryne said that she is going to see if she can create a portal to the Source. She doesn’t have full powers of an ancient but even 1/14th of those creation magics is noting to scoff at. Im excited to find the other remaining Convocation members who are still out there. Maybe the WoL and Gaia could do a roadtrip across the shards to find the rest of the members.

This vid was great! Definitely worth another watch, and another. . . :)

Just discovered this channel, just what I needed!

An important note is that it was said that Travanchet is probably not his real name - it is most likely, due to the french styling, the name of the Elezen host of whichever ascian took his body, which may make him someone we have not yet seen like Halmarut, or even Lahabrea, to whom we know changed bodies quite frequently by Emet-Selch's own complaint about the practice. Him having not appeared since heavensward, when Lahabrea was destroyed, and having come up in that same expansion, actually points to Lahabrea as a strong possibility, especially as he was, in a sense, the most important ascian in 1.0 and going into 2.0, where Lahabrea was similarly the 'face' of ascians during those expansions.

Well researched summary. Good job on saying Bahamut. Gustaberg music

This is gods work. Thank you for the hardwork compiling this. I'm subbing =)

I love your videos man keep up the good work

Your video's are dope, ty for making them (:

I kinda feel that Galuf was wrong. and I hope he is wrong. it would make my "remaining living Ascians make Little Amaurot aka Island Sanctuary" theory a little plausible since Emm was a "healer" convocation member, and would be really helpful in manpower situations...

Great video. Thank you for the recap. Made me miss Moenbryda even more tho 😢

I didn't realize there was so much story in the various raids. I'll have to find a way to go back and do those to experience that story.

Great video, I just wanted to comment and say that I thought it was kinda funny the "spoiler alert" notification was an FF11 sound.

Hoping to start NG+ once they introduce the revamped "trust" system. Will be interesting to go through the story again now that we know everything.

A few things off about this. The Amaurotians didn't know of the Song of Oblivion, not even Hermes, since he wiped his own memories. And they didn't summon summon Zodiark for the aether he would protect them with, they summoned him because the only cause they could think of was a stagnation in celestial aether currents happening right above an area that would soon be hit by the Final Days. They summoned Zodiark as an incarnation if Umbral energy to prevent the aether currents from stagnating. They were unaware of this, but that kept aether above the area, preventing the dynamis from impacting it.

thank you this was a good recap for me

Slight correction on Ighyorom and the other defeated none-Paragons. As sundered ascian, they could find another of their sundered forms and bring them up. But, only a Paragon could do this, and they're all gone. Another form of them could have been brought up behind the scenes before the loss of Emet and Elidibus. But, that would be unlikely.

Thank you so much for this video! 👍 I have been playing FFXIV for going on 10 years now, but sadly I have the memory of a gold fish (ok but like, 10 years...), so certain details about these guys were lost to me. Recently I restarted the game with an alt and I just finished ARR and I’m currently transitioning to Heavensward. Thus far I met Lahabrea (ofc) and Elidibus! I had forgotten how early on we actually meet him! So much information is given early on and it all somehow makes sense in the end of Endwalker! I love the writing on this game. ❤️ Guess that must be why I’ve been playing it for so long lol. 🤣 Great job, thank you for sharing.

Excellent summary.

Holy crap that's a lot of research. Great summary!

I feel like it should be pointed out that, aside from the 3 unsundered ones, any other sundered overlord we killed was just 1 piece of the whole (big or small, either way). So atleast for the ones killed before Emet/Elidibus it's not impossible for the duo to have picked up new shards to fill the seats with while not letting them pick a fight with us (depending on how hard/time consuming doing this might be).🤔 Emet did mention he'd seen a number of replacements being made in the past... makes me curious now who managed to kill them before us and how. During other astral eras, or on other shards.

Love your FFXIV lore videos.

Informative video

The video I didn't know I needed!

I have a theory about the black masked mages. I believe Lahabrea began to recreate the “Words of Lahabrea” as part of his plan to control and study the realm in preparation for the next rejoining. Just a theory, but knowing what we know about him and his research prior to the Sundering, is seems to be a viable one.

This was great !! a great assist to the game -- thank you !!

Hope we might see a bit more of Igeyorhm’s story now that on patch 6.2 we will be traveling to the 13 to perhaps clear her mess.

As per the new 24-man raid series... We have it clear that there's some underlying threat to the Twelve. My theory is that one of the remaining Ascians is trying to seize power there now that Hydaelyn is gone.

I love how all of the Ascian's plans were foiled by a "basic traveler's aid spell that prevents aetherial corruption." They probably learned it at summer camp.

Curse you for using Gustaberg music. Bringing back so many memories. :)

Omg, there is so many lore, and I dont know each seat specialized in some basic profession like gardener and pharmacist

While Igeyorhm was destroyed in the Aetherical Research Facility, that was only one shard. There's still more shards of her soul out there, which we learn that the Unsundered just pick up and turn into Ascians when the former has been destroyed.

While this is a FFXIV video, I’m loving the easter eggs in the form of FFXI sounds & music 😜

Ok, with them not coming up in this video, I would love if Azem got one of their own video's like the unsunderd. I think it be cool to see what you think of the 14th seat.

I really hope we still learn more about them and see them into the future, even though their storyline is mostly concluded at this point. Could be interesting working together with them on something far into the future.

Thanks for making this video! I love the Ascians and wish we could have saved the ancients more than keeping the sundered alive but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Nevertheless, I love to hear stories about them. I did want to point out that it may not be true that overlords killed with a white auracite are gone for good. Unlike the unsundered, the overlords are all shards of their former souls, so if you destroy one of their soul shards, there should still be six other reflections of their souls that have not been rejoined, similar to how Ardbert is another shard of the WoL and Ryne is likely another shard of Minfilia. The question however is how they regain their memories if all of the unsundered have been murdered by the WoL and the memory crystals were given to Elidibus when he died if I recall correctly. I think all of the Ascian overlords are part of the cycle of death and rebirth on other reflections, but they may not be aware of who they once were just like Gaia wouldn't have known if Mitron hadn't been calling out to her. There is even a possibility that there is an Ascian shard of Azem out there somewhere Honestly, I doubt the writers knew where they were going with the Ascians back in ARR and HW, because there are a lot of inconsistencies and things that don't make sense when you know the EW story like Zodiark being shown as a giant dark crystal.

It will be fun to check up on the remaining Ascians in future patches/expansions, especially now that they are basically free to do whatever they want since Zodiark and the Convocation are dead/desolved. At a minimum they are powerful mages and warlords with extensive knowledge of the world/magics. They might not even be antagonists anymore.

It would be interesting to see if some ascians that were working to destroy a shard would now try to reverse that damage due to Zodiark being gone. A shard where ascians are actually the good guys instead of shadow killers.

Yoshi P said clearly that asciens story is end, that we dont (n,ormaly) see them again in futur DLC. the most probable is that with the zodiark death, they just vanished, empty of all purpose, back by their own in the star sea

Its going to be interesting to see what they do with the other ascians now that zodiark is gone and the final days is no longer a thing. It could be they still want to rejoin the shards to the source, but there snot much of a point anymore. Well I can't wait to see what happens to the story now.

I don't think Elidibus returns to the aetherial sea. Iirc his every last aether was spent to send us back to Elpis and nothing has remained, just like Venat.

all we know is that all ascians, paragons included, killed post shadowbringers are dead dead. any ascian killed between ARR and pre-Shadowbringers could very well still be alive. since the non-paragon Ascians are simple shards of the whole and could exist on the remaining shards that havent been corrupted or rejoined. So we have Emet, Elidibus, Lahabrea, Fandaniel, Loghrif, and Mitron that can be considered fully dead, even if the sundered ones still have living shards they cant come back since the crystals to rekindle their memories have been destroyed. Igy and Nabs could very well have been revived by granting another shard of their soul their memories, off screen, between their 'death' and pre-shadowbringers. So we technically have at least 5-7 ascians that could pop up into the story at any time, on the whims of the writers if they so choose to employ them, or just brush the ascians to the side for new antagonists.

In an recent interview Yoshi-P said they don't really have a grand plan for the Ascians in ARR/HW, so they are just being the bad guys doing bad stuff in the background.

After knowing about Emmerololith it does make me wonder if there are other lore hiccups.

This just makes me think on the two other people I keep adding into the ascian group but technically arnt which is (sry can't remember names) the white robe kid saved from the thirteenth that helped us with waring Triad but they were a wol. The other is another Wol that if I remember right was also from the 13th, the shadowkeeper, who was also saved by Elidibus and originally given the job to help ardbert and the others become wol then turn on them and as the shadowkeeper get defeated and ardbert would get his crystal. But that failed when he refused to fight her and instead he went after the ascians that were trying to make her do this earning his crystal by defeating them. She is still alive in shadowbringers and rather interestingly if you get the broken crystals from doing the roles quests in shadowbringers you learn that story and also get them as an option in a cutscene when you get to explain to the sin eater hunters from the role quests what's going on.

im fairly sure it was made sorta clear that the contention on zodiark didn't come from the original sacrifice but the future ones to bring back the old world they lost. venat even says that from the temptation to return to the halcyon days she will sunder them

Amaurot is literally the name of the Utopia by More, and Anyder the river near it.

there is also the 12th sword and 12th staff ascians you meet after Haukke Manor

Several months later... So yeah I believe Pashtarot is actually going to be a key player in the 6.expansion series patch quests, he might very well be Golbez or Travanchet. Travanchet I somehow imagine seeing in the new world storyline however because he has the vibe of a mysterious foe who will show up later down the line. As for Pashtarot, I believe hes going to be the key antagonist of the reflection themed expansions.

i dont think that was so many info about the other ascian, but i only focus on the MSQ and not many sidequest so maybe is because of that

It wouldn't shock me at all to see Pashtarot rear his head. We know now that he is a "sundered" Ascian (a shard gifted with the memories of the original Convocation member), but Fandaniel showed us that even sundered Ascians can be dangerous.

Bit late on seeing this, but I gotta say is that part of the in-character justification I used for creating the New Convocation of Fourteen was not only to fulfill Emet-Selch's final request, but also to have a dedicated counter-Ascian group that specifically studied their backgrounds as well as tried to fill their ORIGINAL purpose of looking after the world in order to potentially stand against the remaining possibly rogue Ascians still out there.... How successful my friends & I will be in that endeavor remains to be seen (especially since we STILL only have about half the seats filled in our group). Of course it would be nice if we could convince them to help with our research/give up on the whole rejoining thing (especially since like 2-3 of the seats there is almost NO information available whatsoever as to what their original purpose on the original Convocation of Fourteen even was....) I do hope the devs do have more stories or at least sidequests featuring the Ascians/Ancients in the future, though.

I just wanna see Gaia and Ryne in their coffee biscuits shenanigans. ;-;

18:06 - Yes... Gaia's friend. That's definitely all they are. Friends. Yes. :P

I would like to see Duedalaphon personally.

I have a feeling we will encounter Halmarult in the Pandemonium raid series.

I'm wondering if the pieces of Zodiark that haven't been reunited with the source died with him, or are we going to have possible opportunities to facing these "Shards of Zodiark" where they're contained?

I think we are about to find out in dawntrail

I think the one's that are still alive definitely opened up a cafe venue together

Without Travanchet, there’d be no Alexander. No time travel for Graha Tia, and the 8th Umbral Calamity would have happened to our time line and we’d be dead. He’s an awesome Ascian!

All we know about the Ascians now is that two of the Overlords and one of the Lesser are still active. Which means potential future foes in the story now the current arc has concluded. Since 6.1 takes the story in a completely new direction, the likelihood we'll encounter them again in the MSQ is unlikely. It's more likely they could be potential foil material for future job quests. The job quests are always designed so they do not spoil the MSQ for points that haven't been reached of yet and only contain any story elements from expansions prior to their launch point. Which likely means that the Overlords could show up in job quests which start at level 70/80 that are added in 7.0; Assuming we get anymore jobs added and were likely reserved for this but haven't been made use of. Though to be honest I don't think anymore jobs will be added to the game after Endwalker.

what i mostly wonder is... arent there like. 6 other fandaniels and stuff left? hermes was sundered, his source shard died in endwalker but what about the other shards? just like ardbert and a few unknown shards of us(azem) are still around. it could be that the sharded ascians dont know theyre ascians cause emet-selch didnt give them their soul crystals to raise them up. but fandaniel's shards would still have those memories of hermes that he erased with kairos.

16:38 what is that glam you're wearing?

I thought the lion-looking red mask on Gaius' belt was Fandaniel's, since Leo is his constellation

I hope to see Gaia on Etheirys, some day

I just want to thank you for making these amazing videos. 10/10 One little thing though, now that I've completely finished the video. Some of your name pronunciations are wrong. Examples. Mide should be Mi-deh. Galuf-Gah-luff. etc.

Where is it mentioned that Unukalhai was the one Igeyorhm fought? I thought it was one of the other Warriors of Light, since they were all scattered? Swear he said he was unable to do much because he was young.

Emmerololth, Pashtarot, Halmalut. It was three unsundered that kept the plans going for rejoining Zodiark, now that He's dead I don't see why the last three couldn't try to summon Him again. All they have to do is kill somewhat over half the population of the Source to get the required aether. I don't think this is something they'll do in the game since the Zodiark/Hydaelyn arc is supposed to be over, but it would be a possibility otherwise. Realistically, seems the sundered Ascians are affected a lot by their mortal lives even after being elevated to their seats so who knows, maybe they'll just continue with their own works in bettering the star as they did with the convocation. Would be nice to see them later as allies or experts in their fields aiding the mortal races of different shards. Or heck, who knows, they might even show up sooner than that to help restore the Thirteenth.

won't the sundered have other versions of themselves on other shards? or am i misunderstanding how it works?

Pashtarot, has the dark scion name as the zeromus... which was the ff4 real final boss.... so i guess we might see him in these next arc.. something to do with golbez i guess?

The real Ascian is Yoshi-P. He turned final fantasy into WoW and DMC. Will the Warriors of the Crystal save us from this evil.

I can’t remember but weren’t there 3 black masked ascians in hauke manor? Their names were 12th spear or something like that.

Maybe the Ascians that Gaius "destroyed" are hopping around other Shards, maintaining the existence of the Shards of Zodiark to be used against the Warrior of Light and continue the mission of restoring Ethyris.