This isn't Pay2win. It's just... Pay

1970s: Pay to play 2000s: Pay to win 2020s: Pay to lose

"Yeah but he didn't have to pay $1,000.00. He could have just grinded 13 hours a day for 7 years and got the item properly."

The delay is a psychological trick to make you feel like you were so close. That way you'll be willing to spend that little bit more since you were so close.

"only a thousand dollars in a game" Damn, 20 years ago, people would NEVER imagine spending more than a few dozen dollars to "buy" a game, now you gotta buy the game, buy expansions, pay subscriptions, waste thousands on micro transactions and some people think it's natural to do that... It's amazing how companies manage to make absurd and abusive practices become "natural" to their consumers.

A guy spent 40k on BDO in a few hours to enhance his gear years ago before Blackstar was a thing... He failed over and over and raged. After he failed everything the servers suffered cause he paid a DDOS service in china to try to take down BDO servers in NA

my favorite about about these grindy endgame things is once you get em you quickly realize you were never supposed to get them because trying to get them is the only actual content. Its like climbing a mountain for the view and when you get up its dense fog with 6 inches of visibility.

The best part is is that this is to only bump the stats from 122~133 attack points to 131~142 attack points with 12 accuracy...

Not even pay-to-win at this point. Just pay-to-lose-more-often.

It sounds stupid but that tiny delay is an incredibly powerful gambling/addiction loop tool. If you're not paying attention and just in that spin spin spin mode, that tiny delay tricks the dumbest part of your brain into thinking you were closer to winning that time than the last one with no delay.

“The point is to suffer” Couldn’t have said it better myself

This reminds me of the scene in the movie "Wargames" where the computer is slowly learning by playing "TicTacToe" and "Global Thermonuclear War" that the only winning move in those games is not to play at all. Right now I am thinking: "How about a nice game of chess?"

He literally sold his clothes to do more spins. This game is a lottery addiction similator

The only way you get progression in bdo is by spending time running circles killing mobs for 10000 hours... or pickig up potatoes or what ever those lifeskillers do

Before I quit BDO. My fist pen item not even the black star was 68 times and each time it felt awful that when I got the pen item I felt numb and not even satisfied. That was then I realized that I no longer wanted to play because of how unobtainable max gear was to poor people.

Gambling at a crooked casino in Las Vegas has higher odds than whatever this BS is.

Watching this actually hurts me, maybe it's just because I don't have a lot of disposable income, but I could never do anything like this. I can hardly spend $35 to buy a new game once in a while.

Ah yes, the pinnacle of BDO content, throwing money at a number on a screen hoping the number goes up. Love it.

The thousand dollars evaporated into thin air as soon as he bought the Acoins, we just sat around to watch him realize it.

Ijust started watching but i heard bdo and money and after a few years of playing the game i realized how much money i was spending vs how much fun i was having and realized it wasn't worth it anymore. I was more of a lifeskiller an even lvling that gear was a pain. Not to mention at the time there was some gear that if it broke lvling you'd just lose it. The game has the “fix it with money“ thing. There was also your character would get to heavy if you had to much on hand (at one point silver [in game money]) also counted). There was limited backpack space. Horses also had something similar with lvling. I remember at the time also someone took 3to4 months to get from 64 to 65 Oh pets had the issue where if you wanted to lvl a pet up you would need one of the same teir and there were about 4 teirs i think. And to change what the pet did also had to spend money. The nicest furniture had sets for $100 and that was for part of the set i think. The main things i miss is how open the world is the grapics, character outfit/body customization, and surprisingly sailing also my friends that i kind of slowly stopped chatting with often.

Call me stupid, but I snapped myself out of playing Destiny 2, after two weeks of nickle and diming purchases, by maxing out the battle pass. It took away my reason to play the game and made me realize how much money I just spent on a video game that I'm not enjoying. Haven't paid for any new video games since then, and I will watch streamers play new games before I choose to buy them.

Love this video. Nothing better than this “pay to lose” illustration.

its honestly insane that we let game companies get away with this. Pay to win shit just shouldnt be allowed out right but to spend $1,000 and not get that one item just shouldnt be a thing. There should eventually be a 100% chance after so many fails whether youre P2W or F2P, fail 10 times and your chance goes right to 100% when its this expensive to try. It only punishes f2p

This is actually sad that video games have turned into this and there is nothing we can do about it bc their will always be ppl who are willing to pay 😞

There needs to be laws against these micro transactions in video games. People clearly cant stop themselves.

everyone who played the orignal Ragnarok Online back in the early 2000's knows the struggle to even get a +10 anything,

Fun fact: 10 spins at 3.9% success chance each gives you an overall ~32.8% chance in winning in any of the spins. With 20 spins (2k USD?) it would be up to 54.9%. You'd need to get to 58 spins to get over 90% chance of getting the item, 76 to get over 95% :D The more you know! Probability theory is fun!

5:35 i bet the devs would like to see that too

I will never understand this sh1t. 1000 dollars. So many games can be bought. My complete Wishlist, waiting for sales, can be cleared. 1000 for this bs is just nuts.

If Asmon thinks its convenient that there's a $200 package for whales, wait until he sees that Eve Online has a $650 package

in the 14 attempts he did there was approximately a 57% chance of not getting the enhanced item

Yikes. Reminds me of Vindictus. In that game enhancing your weapon and failing had a possibility of destroying the weapon completely, and these weapons would take weeks or months of raid drops to craft. In a way typical character gachas these days like the Genshin Honkai series and Nikke are much more forgiving with your money.

I spoke with a person who'd spent $14k on the game. It was really surreal to see someone willing to waste so much disposable income on something like that.

Thats why people that don't spend money on the game tell you to buy your upgrades. You don't get that rush of finally getting it, but you literally never have to suffer like this regardless if you spent 30hours grinding or swiping. It's difficult for people not to throw their silver away though and take a punt at getting lucky. Ive been there myself in this game. I struggle to save up even like 20 billion without spunking up the wall. But I've had time where I've tapped stuff on a 5% chance in 1-5 tries and I've had times like recently where I cant get a TET accessory on a 30% chance after 6 attempt. Or even failing 5 x 50% chsnces in a row. I never gamble IRL, but somehow it just doesn't really feel real doing it with currency obtained in game so I dont care. It is disheartening though and im currently on an extended break from the game because ive failed a certain TET accesory multiple times.

Well his $1000 lost will be your $1000 gained. Asmon such genius.

We shouldnt forget that he just could have selled the outfits and would have had a 100% chance to get the item hahahahha

You dont need to spend alot of money on games like this, all you need is them to sponser the video... youll get wat you want in no time and at no cost.

i love how 1000 dollars usd is now calculated as 1 xqc spin

You said, no one wins. I think differently. Somebody won. Someone just pocketed 1-3k while sitting back sipping champagne.

20:45 the point is, its 1k dollars in the toilet EVEN IF HE WINS lol... It's just a single level upgrade for +9AP. Its not a brand new unique item. LOL

God this video made me hurt on the inside. I tried to swipe once in BDO. A hundred dollars just gone like that. I felt horrible after. Like what the fuck was I doing? What was I thinking? I stepped away from the game and barely even log on anymore. That was years ago.

Not even a happy ending. There goes rent 😂

The fact you can go to a actual casino and have better chances at actually winning money back not just some digital item that they can make worthless at anytime they want

the amount of time it takes to earn $1000 on a normal paying job just for it to go all down the drain like that is sad 😭

Watching him click that TET to PEN with a naked 150fs was physically painful to watch, not gonna lie.

I played this game just to explore and enjoy the world activities, once thats over and the game start forcing you towards high end combat and ENHANCING I dipped out

At 3.9% chance per roll, rolling 18 times is the minimum if you want at least 50% chance of actually succeeding once. You must roll 41 times for a chance of success greater than 80%, 116 times for a chance of 99.01%, and finally, 222 times for a chance of 99.99%.

That "Delay" is the animation trigger calculating an RNG counter. Forcing the server to read the item, it will ALWAYS fail during that process. ArcheAge has literally the same exact script.

9:59 that is a great quote for the ages!

For comparison the odds of getting a direct hit in Roulette is 2.7%, 1 in 37.

The amount of times Asmon just randomly pops up in videos not related to him is insane😂

Any game that has a chance to fail, downgrade, or break while upgrading is an immediate, huge red flag to me. Cornerstone definition of anti-fun and always creates a gear imbalance based on players credit card swipes.

The delay is psychological, it makes you think that you almost got it. We may not like it but it works.

THANK YOU ASMON 15 HOURS IS A LOT. I've been trying to tell this to my neet guildmates but "eh it's only 50 hours for an upgrade that's not a lot" . It is.

when a $1000 in game is considered "only £1000"

If casinos were legally allowed to do what these games do...

I like watching things like this so I know which games I will never play and the companies to never support.

After the youtube add-blocker thing i got advertisment in this video and i found it hilarious that i get advertisement for natural soap on an asmongold video. Next LVL!

hardcap bdo player here, I spent about $10 in the last 18 months getting over 2 trillion silver of gear... if someone did want to "P2W" with this level of inefficiency he'd have to spend like a quarter million USD, some rng with deboreka rings but still a wild game state, what's wild is it has been MUCH WORSE in the past

So glad my experience on Black Desert was joining a season, being power-leveled by a friend, realizing I wasn't having fun, and then never playing again.

If dude really spent 10k on raidy shady, I have lost faith in humanity

They really should add a small amount of increase each failure. Like .05% increase or something so eventually you could get it. It would also make people feel like they get something and then spend more.

5:00 the worst part about this is that this dude doesnt understand price fluctuations or stocks. Look at the graph. He's buying during a peak... If he waited 20 days it might go down to the lower price it was 30 days ago. Literally burning real money, in TWO different ways.

Fun fact, remember that devs and whoever created the game has these items for free and they can have them whenever they want, but the playerbase has to spend such shameful amount of money or luck to at least get one

You should post a video of you doing it , to brighten his day.

The game is still amazing and fun if you enjoy it as a whole, going at your own pace, seeing where you can get and don't care about the meta end-game. A friend gifted me the game and In 3 years, 5000h+, I only spent 100$, got my tent and other permanent familial stuff that I can't ever lose. You don't have to pay to have fun, the game is huge. And , as you can see, the game costs so much to actually p2w that its basically not worth spending that much money on it. So just don't. That's it. Videos like this are entertaining for sure but don't make the game less worthwhile if you want to lose yourself in a big epic adventure. Just seeing Vell for the first time was worth a thousand bucks. I'm a gamer. I game to game., not to min-max everything.

With $1000 he could try increase the FS to get better change -about 250 FS- to enhance that TET to PEN. But, NO!!! he want it use only 185 FS. BTW my gears are TET/PEN enhanced with free recourses the game itself give, even afk you get stuff. There is a great difference between P2W and P2P/rogress . All resources, materials, to get better gears can be taken-freely playing or even afk. The money i spent in BDO -about $300 in 4 years- are to unlock more storage / inventory slots or weight, and only 2 outfits (the game give for free outfits box , btw, no need spend RL money for it).

You can only spend about 25$ every 2 minutes in Diablo immortal running crests.

I love that soo much of youtube and streaming now has become people donating to streamers and youtubers so they can then piss that money down the drain in game gambling mechanics for "content" lol

That's actually the most stupid way to upgrade your gear by using crones, it was 2019 or so , I was in a guild that had a whale that spends 100+k euros on the game and he actually came to conclusion that dinging with crones is 3 times less profitable than dinging with silver. And also BTW 1 costume costs 20$ and it translates to 1.6 billion silver , a good geared character can farm 1 billion silver per hour easy mode , you see where I'm going right ? :D I mean 1000$ its like 4-5 days of farming , its nothing for BDO , people farm for months hundreds of billion of silver spent and they still can't get a pen what would you expect of some tiny 1000$ transaction.

"It's only a waste if you lose" -Asmongold

11:12 "I did this the last time..." Bruh.

I almost started playing this when it came out. Glad I didn’t, this is insane.

Kanon spend $1,000 for Content!

I did the math. With those odds, you need 18 try to have 50% chance of succese ; 41 try to have 80% chance of success. And 116 tries for 99% of odds. Gosh, those are hard odds.

To be fair, that guy had only sent like 15 messages before he was banned, and the worst thing he said was "idiot."🤣🤣

as a player of BDO this is the most fcking system i hate the most. and this is the reason I actually quit. even if I'm having fun with the game

$1k is so wild, but its still rookie numbers compared to the average heavy gacha whaler.

21:20 "It's easy to get into trouble in Altinova" as he blows up all his costume collection lol

he didn't spend 1000$ on the game he spend 1000$ on the shareholders

After I explored kamasylvia and the ocean I was pretty much done with the game. Kama is super pretty atleast and I go back and explore sometimes😊

For this guy to have a 99% chance to succeed, he'd need to roll 116 times. How dumb do you have to be to fall for something like this?

any game that has this sort of practice should be shut down, its disgusting.

“Pay £1000 to feel sadness regret and overall pain”

It was very fun... For the publishers.

I know most people wouldn't do this and it's mainly whales. But seeing this just makes me not want to touch the game with a 10ft pole.

And the worst part here. Absolutely no one learned their lesson here. This man is going to do this again...

Truly a moment where not playing is the winning move

1,000 dollery-doos???? christ......i could pay off my credit card with that....

Haha, BDO is one of those games where you look at it and nope the fudge outa there.

I'd like to add they literally constantly have events where you can create a new character and be overwhelmed with pay to win items that you can then put that character on a regular server. Same exact thing with Maplestory. Not every, far from many, but a FEW, pay2win mmo's do have events to make you a free whale.

This is another reason why I don’t play online games. Learn to enjoy solo…your wallet will thank you. Use your brains people…all of this is just pixels on a screen. No matter what you spend, you’ll never have anything material come out of it that can be kept or passed on. I’d rather buy guns and ammo that I can pass on to my kids.

There was a Russian streamer who got the best armor in the game at 0.08% first try.

This is especially shady because it makes you put a little effort in expending money and effort creates attachment to the game

Funny how this game has a cooldown in place for when selling but not for when buying microtransactions. The game economy is more important than the real world one.

Watching this video is enough to make me never even attempt to pick this game up

The most wasteful thing here is honestly trying to PEN a BS with less than a 200 fail stack lol

I got 2 PEN blackstars ez without spending. One went in like 17 swings and the other in 2 swings. On free stacks i got from events and costumes i bought with grinding moneys. Feels good

I love how he pauses to see the fail first before saying "...in the fkn garbage" 🤣🤣 The wait for the confirmation is diabolical!

This is the longest buildup for a pull ever