Garrosh was basically a player-charachter, casually keeling everything that stood on his way without reading a single dialogue

In a hilarious turn of events it was the uncorrupted black dragon that was responsible for sargaras successfully invading and, wounding azeroth, dumbest dragon barely covers it.

The problem is that Wrathion misunderstood the mind of Garrosh. Garrosh is the kind of guy who you can hand just about any weapon to and he'll know how to appropriately use it. If, however, you give him a multi-step plan with a nebulous end goal - he is more likely to just punch you in the face

I still have the trinket from this quest line in my bank. Rhea’s last egg. It makes little dragons fly around you. And they fight with you. I personally, think this should be made a toy.

Wrathion is unironically one of the most interesting characters WoW did and they criminally under utilize what they've done. Though maybe that's for the best since the writing team couldn't turn literal gold into something beautiful.

A massive issue I had with Wrathion is that they built him up to be anti-legion, and he didn't do shit in legion.

“Imagine a world where we get 10 expansions of wod” Asmon “we already got 3” 7 more to go 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

To be fair to him though, the 'character sees a partial future and accidently triggers it while trying to prevent it' trope is a classic.

It's kind of explained that of the infinite versions of Garrosh out there, ours was basically the only one who would choke out the time traveling bronze dragon and just do his own thing. Worked out for us, though. We sharpened our steel against the Iron Horde and used that strength to finally beat the shit out of the Legion.

It's literally Anduin's fault that Varian ultimately decided to NOT end the horde right then and there. Varian was heavily influenced by his son's view point by the time SoO occurred.

So, by trying to protect azeroth from an outside threat, he deliberately caused one invasion and unintentionally caused another. Bold moves!

Flawed interesting characters used to be more common in WoW, but usually the writers lose their damn minds and flanderize the character in which their flaws are forgotten about or they go insane so the compelling part of their character is forgotten about. Wrathion is probably gonna become one of these two in the future, either an edgy Anduin or Deathwing 2.0, just give the writers enough time.

I think the thing I like the most about wrathion is that his for lack of a better term "ruthlessness" comes from a pretty genuinely good place. He genuinely wants to keep Azeroth safe. He just sometimes goes about it the wrong way, though never crosses into complete maniac territory.

Wraithion knowing that the Legion will invade, sets him on a path of accidentally ensuring that event will come to pass, or was it a fated event that would have happened no matter what Wraithion did? If the latter, while futile, his actions were not stupid.

Had Varian destroyed the Horde there would be noone to raid with today

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="596">9:56</a> The thing is, I can understand those people not willing to do PvP for a legendary item. In Destiny 1 and 2 we had similar problems with strong exotics (legendaries) which were good in both PvE and PvP to require playing PvP content. And the people that are absolutely horrible at PvP were simply either unable to get them in a reasonable amount of time or didn't even try to get them because of the PvP parts. For those wanting to know, those 2 exotics were Hand Cannons. In Destiny 1 it was Thorn (earn Points by killing Guardians in PvP with Void Damage - around 5h of grinding when being a good player) , in Destiny 2 it was Last Word (kill 20 guardians with Hand Cannons).

Wrathion caused the only good expansion in the last 10 years... I don't think there's anything wrong with that

I first met wrathion in mist of pandaria mainly because I wasn’t aware of him in cata

Garrosh did plenty wrong. Honestly, he did more damage to both the Alliance and the Horde than even the Burning Legion.

“When did Anduin beat anyone?” Onyxia when he was 5, managed to secure peace with Baine, kept his father from murdering the darkiron Queen by throwing himself in front of her (let's see Asmon grow those cahones), reunified the Dwarf clans, fought and defeated Sylvannis, and managed to break free from the jailer.

Wrathion is a badass and I'm looking forward to see the story in Dragonflight.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="710">11:50</a> Garrosh did EVERYTHING wrong. Jaina was the one link between the alliance and Horde that wasn't hostile; and That Was Why He Did It.

The bg part of the quest was a bit annoying cause for one it was a special bg from randoms, and you had to win like 5 times or something, and my server's faction always lost, lmao.

Wrathion was so cool during MOP. His origin was cool too. Shame they sidelined him after even tho he’s responsible for WOD which led into Legion.

The best part is that it's not even that bad of a plan, but it just happens to go down in the worst possible way.

"wait a minute didn't the jailer said that already?" yes, let it sink in and FINALY understand why we lore fans are so PISSED at Blizzard right now.....

Why do golfers wear two pairs of pants? Just in case they get a hole in one

Wrathion is such a great character. I don't think he's dumb, it's easy to look back at mistakes made in the past and criticize them. But in actuality, he's a genius, if not a bit misguided. Which makes for a great character. Just wait until he has more experience, He's definitely going to learn from his mistakes and be a mastermind.

"they already did this before?"....illidan, LK, wrathion, Sargera's, Slyvanas, Jailer...I probably missed some. Another reason the Jailer pissed people off. Its always been to "fight the greater evil". Get some new material blizz.

He destroyed my inn and left no tip He is not nice 😂😂😂 best quote ever 😂

Remember, in High Mountain, when we meet Ebyssian, if you are on your way out of the cave, there's a guy lurking in the shadows. If you went up and talked to him, he was a member of Wrathion's Black Talon's. He tells you nothing's going on. Yeah, he's got his spies when we meet Ebyssian. That's why there's a bit of animosity with us (Alliance) when all that stuff starts, we've found another black dragon and one MUCH older than he is.

The whelpling was my first pet drop back then and it's still my favorite today. lol :D

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1149">19:09</a> Oh Shit!, they're rebuilding Eren Yeager!

Okay so lore time. Ra-den had aman’thuls essence in his heart. Lei shen rips it out and consumes it, gaining his thundering power and also the essence. Wrathion eats the heart in mop and just trips balls? I mean Aman’thul speaks through him, but other than that they just scraped it.

I still can't get over Cata being more than a decade ago.

I had already seen the platinum wow video and when asmongold was praising wrathtion and garrosh i just said to myself " just wait for the punchline " and it was as hilarious as i expected.

The legendary daggers for rogues in Cataclysm. Ahh those were good times. Only thing that irked me (and many a rogue) was the spec it was tied to: Oh hey lets make some wicked ass daggers of emmense power and tie them to a spec that not many people want to play: Combat! A.K.A. Outlaw! Makes me think whoever came up with that idea was already punch drunk from Pandaria's taverns.

This recaptures perfectly how the time ingame felt back then. I miss when story telling was amusing and chill :) I do question who wrote those storys? Im not sure who was the lead narrative designer at that time

I’ve always felt like wrathion will somehow be a super villain later. We’ll see. He’s definitely not stupid even though he’s made some mistakes.

This is better animated than the in-game cutscenes

anduin: this bell brings harmony to pandaria. it must be kept safe Garosh: Ligma balls * vine boom *

He left without a tip. Typical black Dragon…

Also side note, Muehzala wanted Sylvannas as Warchief so he whispered in Voljin's ears that she would be the next leader. Which is what allowed the Jailer to influence her into burning Teldrassil. Which wouldn't have happened, if Guldan didnt open the portal for the Legion's return. Which also wouldnt have happened, if Garrosh didnt go back in time. Garrosh's plan in Draenor was to unite the Orcs and take over Azeroth without the Demon Blood aiding them. But it didnt work because Garrosh had already united both factions with one goal in mind his death. If Wrathion was as wise as he claimed to be at the time, he would have realized the flaws of his plan and stopped Kairoz. Would the Legion have returned? Maybe. But at least then the forces of Azeroth wouldnt have been whittled down due to constant war.

Wrathion is not stupid it's just in his attempt to avoid fate he unwittingly caused it. That is a timeless trope in stories and it is very engaging. I would say that he was trying to do the right thing in his own way.

It wasn't they refused, it was PVP players would premake BG groups for that specific BG to farm players for honor. Knowing they had no shot of winning and they could get free wins. I know this because I ran into a lot of the same names same server groups.. that's just too "coincidental."

Pandaria at Tavern in the Mists- integral to the legendary cape. I liked doing that quest.

tong doing the talk talk thing killed me

That story sounds like the civil war in Skyrim. A dragon(born) picks a side in order to end the (civil)war, in order to prepare for a greater threat(the Thalmor).

Wait if nyxondra is forced to lay eggs, how are they getting fertilized? I really hope it's not what I think but it's blizzard so idk

Had Varian just let Thrall kill Garrosh all of WoD could have been avoided

Varian didn't make a mistake in sparing the Horde leaders. If the writers had put in more effort and not gone down the same path with Sylvanas that they did with Garrosh, undermining the Horde's development over WoD and Legion, we wouldn't have had to have Teldrassil or any of the crap that came after

If Wrathion didn't f-up there would be no Legion (sad but it's one of the better xpacs), BFA and Shadowlands. Imagine having Varian, Vol'jin, Saurfang and a pre-Shadowlands Sylvanas with us today.

My refusal to do pvp for that cape got to the point my guildmaster told me to just let him do it for me. And he did, and I continued to not pvp.

There was a cut scene in MoP that had Anduin DW his fathers swords.

Wrathion just loves his legendary cloaks.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1080">18:00</a> in Anduin's defense did not Onyexia pretend to be Lady Katrana Prestor which lead to his fathers kidnapping

What everyone didn't realize was that Rathione killing the old god that corrupted his race was copy/paste how Grom Hellscream freed the orcs from Mal'gorath....forgot the name in Warcraft 3.

"This all makes sense." 5min later... "Oh."

Huh. I never knew about that quest line in Cata. I'm guessing it was rogue only or currently only seeing as how I've never done it.

You DO know that Wrathion is NOT Deathwing's son? There is no in-game proof that Nyxondra mated with Neltharion (as he usually beats the shit out his girls when he's hard, not many survive and yet she looks fine). Nor proof that Rheastrasza somehow got her hands on Deathwing juice to fertilize the egg. Maybe he just calls him "father" as all red dragons call Alexstrasza "mother" because, well, dragons. Wrathion seems to be a random heritage black dragon that's obssessed with surpassing his "father" and his deeds. And of course, being free from all influence. Perhaps this will be retconned in the future.

"Son of Deathwing" just sound so much better

Storylines like this aren't in wow anymore cause they play it too safe. Forcing a dragon to produce eggs is, conceptually, to close to rape and you know blizz don't want associated with their name right now.

The fart at the end really got me. I cried for 4 minutes xD

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1125">18:45</a> has to be the most Metal plot I've ever heard 🤘🤘🤘

anytime there is ever a prophesy in a story and one character is hell bent to stop it he will always be the one to cause it.

... I didn't even know he ate Lei-shen's heart. I'm really glad I made the switch to ffxiv years and years ago xD

I forgot about feeding the heart to Wrathion. I remember the blood elf being descriminated against.

Varian not letting thrall kill Garrosh caused his own death with gul'dan

i just realized that warthions old model has one earring, but no ears.

Because shitty writing the Horde never really recovered from the end of Mists either. They just repeat the cycle while their own members go "man fuck this Alliance Undead FTW"

wrathion is the fuse for things to get in motion. Best character.

I hate the narrative that Sylvanas just changed her mind because she grew a conscience. She changed her mind because from the start she had an agreement with the jailer about breaking the cycle, and how things would go a specific way. Instead the jailer says "nah lol. Cycle keeps going, I'm just in charge now and it'll be even shittier." She's supposed to just be okay with that? Her reasons are entirely selfish, but it doesn't just happen out of nowhere. Sylvanas is still a selfish idiot, but saying she just changed her mind out of nowhere because muh redemption is just wrong. She was lied to. She's an idiot for falling for it, but that changes nothing.

Just saw this video earlier xD and Mr gold already reviewing it

i woke up and saw this and i was just waiting for the hour that asmon reacts to it

imagine the legion finally shows up but its to one planetwide waaugh

If the pandas were weak enough to get themselves thrashed by the horde then they deserve whatever happens to them. Heck instead of fighting during the war of the ancients they thought it was a better idea to hide in mists. If anything they all should thank the races of azeroth for saving collective behinds not lecturing them on the methods of war that kept them alive all this time.

Man, they need Oded Fehr(The Mummy, Deuce Bigalo) to play Wrathion in any live action WoW shit they do

"One often meets their destiny on the road they take to avoid it."

Lore fight! I dare you! 🏹 (but I'm too weak to even write a wall of text explaining how amazing Wration is, being the only dragon that punched an Old God in the face and all while the others fidgeted with their talons when Azeroth was literally having a creeping carnivore herpes all over her face... ugh... 🚑) Augh... no wonder... it was a ROGUE ONLY quest-line. Rogue is the only thing I never leveled up because I ran out of space in my character list and I found them to be the least interesting class to play. Bleugh... <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1132">18:52</a> In his defense, Lei'shen ate the heart of Ra'den to obtain his powers, so basically only ate the power of Azeroth's titanic watcher of Thunder and Wrathion took it for himself, and none of this ever pans out, but Wrathion should've been given a power up related to Thunder if so. Lei'shen only wanted to continue the work of the Titans that the apathetic Ra'den gave up, but of course been educated in warmongering society of the Mogu would make him to tyrannize everybody now that he had the titanic power of Thunder to command. It really is odd that Ra'den could have survived enough until BfA before N'zoth invaded everything, with people wondering who was him because he was a bonus boss on Heroic Throne of Thunder that only pro guilds could defeat. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1451">24:11</a> The Varian from Wrath of the Lich King (during Trials of the Crusade at least) had more BALLS that even Tirion had problems to control to avoid the Alliance burninate the Horde over there 🤣 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1670">27:50</a> "forced pregnancy"? lol this demonstrates that Wrathion is not stupid. This only demonstrates that Christie Golden is an idiot that was given power to rewrite everything that has already transpired 🤣The characters are not in blame! 👀 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2048">34:08</a> Yes, creating not only duplicates of "warlords" but also many duplicates of the "warlords" of the enemy was also another risk. Bear in mind that the Legion is a constant force unbound by the timelines because the Twisting Nether works like that, and only can exist one single Kil'jaeden to conquer all of those alternate worlds, but you can produce another Kil'jaeden by turning the former Eredar magus into another demonic warlock. I still fail to see what did Wrathion wrong. It's all Christie Golden's fault, because he uses this plot-hole (or "Wrathion was too stupid to see it") to create another Gul'dan, but this Gul'dan from this timeline should have yielded too ANOTHER ARCHIMONDE AND KIL'JAEDEN the same way there was a second Velen too (even if for a moment). The plot-holes amount to over 9000 on this one, and not because Wrathion is dumb, but because the author is chronically plot-blind, tried to pull a Marvel AU move and was found wanting 🙄 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2080">34:40</a> Also, let's not forget that Wrathion presence in WoD is reduced to just perching on top of a billboard before leaving during one of the "NEW SHAVEN KHADGAR" quest-line. This also speaks volumes of why Wrathion didn't do anything when everything started to go south with Gul'dan doing his shenanigans and giving the Legion a more powerful foothold to invade Azeroth. Is not that he didn't want to prevent it, it's because HE WAS LITERALLY WRITTEN OFF THE PLOT because he was too smart to control, and Christie Golden knew it when he received harsh critique on his War Crimes book 🤔 To write smart shrewd characters you must be one, and Christie is all but shrewd; he's too bland to even reach those levels of complex mental gymnastics. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2103">35:03</a> Told ya 🐸 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2120">35:20</a> WAIT A SECOND. I never played the alpha so I didn't know this. Ebyssian is literally an ass pull on the last moment! I love this character but I found odd that his dragon had the same UNIQUE CHARACTER TRAIT (being purified Black Dragon -- that was said already that was hard to achieve without the help of a Titan artifact) and that he was never known to anybody, not even the black dragons, and that Wrathion was never present to correct the presence of the Legion, DESPITE IT BEING THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HIS ENTIRE EXISTENCE AND MOTIVES AS CHARACTER. But now that I know Wrathion was REPLACED in presence by Ebyssian, NOW EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE (and my theory that Christie is too dumb to control Wrathion stands). Now I see the whole set of the falling pieces, and I'm even more disappointed and more encouraged to defend Wrathion from this dumb writter of third rate novels. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2248">37:28</a> And here it stands, being victim of bad writers not doing their proper research on their OWN SOURCE MATERIAL. Wrathion should have the titanic power of THUNDER and he's not seen using it at all, as if all what transpired on Pandaria, eating Lei'shen's heart and all the stuff with Ra'den (BEING KILLED ON PURPOSE TO DON'T BRING BACK THE FACT THAT HIS POWERS SHOULD BE COURSING THROUGH WRATHION'S BODY) is omitted by the new writers. It's horrible, but that doesn't make Wrathion a stupid character. He was shrewd to a fault, got a ton of talkie-talkie wisdom to rein his "wrath" against everything that was threatening Azeroth, and now we need to chug Sabellian just BECAUSE. For all what I care even the Netherdrake should be present in Dragonflight as they are also CHILDREN OF THE BLACK DRAGONFLIGHT. But whatever, what can one do with crummy writers who never played WoW since BC. I'm very sure they picked up a Fandom page about how many black dragons existed out there in the franchise, saw Sabellian and called it a day, without nigh a single context to suppor that he's still ALIVE and not DEAD as per all the quests we do in Blade's Edge Mountains. Interesting video and well made (sans the typos), but I see a tendency to avoid the real culprits in Wrathion's blunders. Anyways, moving on. I don't even know how I managed to stay awake with half my blood gone last night.

I think Wrathion may have been dropped as an egg when he was a kid.

When you take a retcon, add a little bit of retcon, spice it up with more retcon and a pinch of inconsistencies and plot holes, it is little wonder that your coolest characters end up being stupid.

I played in MoP but refused to farm timeless isle. No regrets.

“Deathwing’s minions should be afraid of me” You do realize your dad can destroy planets, right?

did anyone ever keep their suicide dagger and do you really have it or did blizzard remove it from your inventory.. you know the one that instantly kills you the moment you equip it to your weapon slot?

you fed the heart to a baby dragon? still easier to get than baby formula right now^

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="444">7:24</a> this is literally revenge of the sith when Sidious shocks Windu and Sidious is trying to convince Anakin xD

Garry was not found not guilty. He was found guilty to be punished with life in prison instead of straight execution. The celestials say essentially they want individuals to find redemption rather then just being killed. Which is really dum the worst criminals can't change and should die painfully.

i guess "stupid sexy wrathion" has never been more accurate

Wrathion is in WoW what Dafydd, the only gay in the village, is in little britain. Desperately wants to be the only one and matter but there are so many more :D

Wait wait wait wait wait... I remember some time ago, like... closer to 15 years ago or something, my classmates were making jokes about Blizzard having spelled "Fahrrad" wrong (since some character was named... either "Fahrad" or "Farrad", I don't remember). Is this the same guy??? Did they re-use him, all those years later??

Inb4 Wrathion pulls a Neltharion on us and goes insane and is the end boss of Dragonflight..

If there's a character named Wrathion, there should be one named Wratholos.

All those charges against Garrosh.. sounds like heresay.

Why is nobody talking about Wrathion's appearance in Legion?

As a primarily PvE player, I can understand people not really wanting to be forced to do a PvP battleground to complete the quest. But threatening to quit the game period rather than do the quest is just silly. If all you have to do is complete a few battlegrounds to get a legendary item, might as well just bite the arrow this time. Besides, you always have the option of not doing the quest

Garrosh going through his personal Nuremberg like "Yeah, and I'd fucking do it again."

To the bit about wrathion saying a world divided can't stand against what's to come the Jailer refers to a "reality" not a "world". Reality is far bigger, and far more massive by a cosmic scale compared to a single world.

So it was a self fulfilled prophecy.

Asmon is coping so hard through this video that the plan was ingenius 😂

anduin did beat someone, the archon that gets defeated by everybody apparently.