Its not about illegal or legal. Its about whats coming for us all. "Oh, you have the wrong opinion. You're not allowed to shop here"

The slippery slope of the future is why this should scare everyone. This is just the beast poking it's head up.

I don't want anyone to have this, private company OR government.

Imagine if KZfaq decided you couldn’t post video clips from your twitch streams because it’s a competitor.

The fundamental problem with this entire situation is... You are effectively trespassed, without notification. You purchased a ticket to an event (as well as other things like travel/hotel/food). You had no knowledge that the venue wouldn't allow you in until you get there.

This feels like something you'd hear as world building for Cyberpunk 2077

yah but twitter and facebook use this excuse verbatim, "we don't like or agree with X, X is legal and you can say it in public or in court but not here so... your banned goodbye...." like that's less of a reason then your company is suing us imo... and if you "opt out" of face recognition (which they would need to run face recognition to see its you to know they cant use it on you, they could just immediately bar you from entry, which is the same situation.) Given the way the technology works, it would probably be more like a sign that says "BEYOND THIS POINT FACE RECONGINTION IS USED, PROCEDING PAST THIS POINT GIVES CONCENT" and word into the ticket contract when you purchase that face recognition is used and by purchasing and using a ticket you give consent to have the technology used on you. trying to opt out of face recognition is like trying to opt out of public CCTV footage, or even CCTV from the gas station, imagine telling the gas station to delete the footage because you don't consent to being filmed because you could be identified... Add the fact that any competent programmer who teaches themselves ML can make themselves a rudimentary Face detection algorithm and implement it onto any video or photo stream they have access to, (public CCTV, facebook, twitter, hacked CCTV or video or photo feeds, private CCTV, and so on). and controling or preventing its use is impossible. Same goes with creating AI. A more extreme example we will probably have to deal with: We can make it illegal to use AI, but anybody who uses it anyway or any country that does not outlaw it will have a extreme advantage in almost every sector, and can just out compete you out of existence, meaning you will be forced to turn to violance, but AI will probably be better at that then us...

Right on the Tails of the AI selfie craze that ran through social media. Don't train people's facial recognition programs.

It is not unheard of to refuse a lawyer, involved in the case or not, that represents a company currently suing your company from using your company or its goods. The scary part is the fact that this random company has facial recognition software... because I wouldn't want my face being added to any database

Back in the mid 2000's, there was a programmer who made a simple desktop optimizer. Within the highly convoluded EULA, was a part stating that the users would allow his app to gather various sensitive data and send it to the developer. He would then email them with the info that was gathered and the part of the EULA that stated that the user permitted him to gather it because they agreed. It was purely gor making a point

This is already illegal in EU due to data protection law in the private sector. I‘m much more worried that governments will misuse this.

Facial recognition should 100% be an 'opt in' technology.

I think it's USA problem that private companies can ban you from visiting their facilities. In my country every company that runs business with clients has a public place for customers and closed space for their own needs and company cannot deny entry to public place. You can call the police and register this and sue company after but in most of the cases company back down before the call.

It's not illegal but I can assure you it won't end well lol. Shit like this is going to get worse once QR codes and social credit systems are implemented in the not so distant future.

I’m loving this LTT x Asmongold friendship arc.

By the sounds of it, her picture must have been on the law firm website or maybe date extracted from the law firm intranet and then used by MSG Entertainment to block any and all employees from venues. Which is still wild to me.

This is exactly the kind of future we need to stop from unfolding

Imagine people in a witness program and criminals somehow get their hand on something like this... They are pretty much toast

I love how he talk about thinking slow after eating at the end. In German we call this "Suppenkoma" - soup coma.

17:00 system can know if youre one if INTERPOL database classifies you as one. Its an international master database that FBI and high ranking local authorities can access etc its not public from what i heard but when you do backround check they check that database etc.

What was the music in the background from its killing me

I wonder how big that law firm is? Someone would have had to go and get pictures of the staff and upload it into the data base. Or probably the firm has the photos up of all their legal team and it was pulled from the website.

If this is on twitch what account is he using because the main one linked says 14 days ago and he’s making content. Or is he streaming somewhere else?

Can't wait till Silence of the Lambs type stuff starts going down to try and get around this lol

happy new year asmon and all

Sometimes these video0s is just us watching Asmon catch up.

its a damn private venue

Sincere question. How high quality is this considered for the web show Asmon is watching? I guess that is what it is called? Reminds me of a podcast and I've always disliked the structure-less "here is a mic" format. There just seems to be so little information density and end up questioning half of the random thoughts that are said. I like the linus dude's tech tip videos but this is the first time seeing a show.

There is no expectation of privacy when out in public.

We truly do live in a society.

I feel like a card in a pot of cold water about to boil.

Yesterday at the Dr office they had to take a picture of my face. Wonder what database I'm in now 😂

this is the most refined form of tyranny

I'm no legal expert but I remember hearing stuff about facial ID cameras being used at sports venues and large gatherings encouraged by politicians and celebrities after 9/11. I don't remember complaints about it being used at The Olympics.

20:55 its because after you eat the digestion needs more blood from body so it gets pulled from all over especially if you havent eaten in awhile. Youll also feel colder too lol

It seems that many individuals overlook the terms of service when utilizing online platforms, carelessly sharing personal information and then expressing dismay when they become aware of the consequences outlined in the agreements they neglected to properly consider. While there may be extenuating circumstances, such as illiteracy or cognitive impairment, that prevent an individual from fully comprehending the terms of service, in general it is the responsibility of the user to familiarize themselves with the terms and conditions of the services they choose to utilize.

Legistlation really needs to catch up with technology

We are getting closer and closer to those technological dystopian societies we see in the movies

the concerning part is that private companies can have access to data and metadata and trade them under the table using vague legalities -or even enforce bills on governments to satisfy their interests on personal info. the legality of this matter is just a smokescreen , because there's no such thing in the first place . It's morally wrong

In my city cops just drive through parking lots scanning license plates looking for any that are in the system which always blows my mind... They are constantly scanning and now with fave recognition I can only imagine

Not illegal but very dystopian.

no asmon, i dont think anyone, private or not, should be using facial recognition.

Being denied access to a concert hall on the grounds of being associated with another corporate body is kinda ridiculous, yet I can see how there would be a conflict of interest for more extreme cases. Like a person suing a waterpark over a dangerous slide that they seek to ride later that day. Facial recognition software being used in place of an I.D. for identifying and stopping someone is several leagues faster of a process but it can be used in malicious ways, not to mention the mistakes a machine can make tagging the wrong person.

As a former member of the US Infantry, I still remember, to this day, being stopped at an airport in the early 2000's. I removed my shoes and got the wand. I looked at them and asked quietly, "Why am I being searched?" Their response : "Oh, you're a danger." Let that sink in. I have no criminal history. I have committed no felonies. The TSA, however, can choose if I board a flight. Even after their pathetic precautions. I was at THE GATE. I cleared all their precautions. And NOW you're worried about me?

imagine it is not stop by face recognition but a security instead, wait ... it just a regular event. The only different is this is a cheaper version of a actual security.

I mean you don't really have to guess how facial recognition can be used, it is literally used for a lot of the dystopian things you might think of in China. It has its uses and personally I'm generic don't give a fk human being and it probably won't really effect me, but it is kind of dangerous tech.

I wouldn’t want use facial scan connected to the bank.

this is a symptom of a bigger issue which is customer data being sold by big tech companies. a simple solution would be to force the companies to pay back customers a percent of all the profits they've made using their data. in cases where the data is being used from just public profiles and such, that should be protected as well since it violates privacy laws that have already been established. in a public space you don't really have privacy, i get that and agree, but the internet isn't treated the same as a public space and so privacy laws should apply. accessing batches of meta data should not be legal just because it's easy to access it through publicly available profiles/images because these images and profiles aren't sitting outside in the middle of the street, they still reside within the structure of a private company (facebook/google etc.). so even though to us casual internet users it looks like it's just out there and publicly available because the person doesn't have privacy settings turned on, that shouldn't allow people to violate someone's privacy, this is why doxxing is illegal, even if you have a public facebook profile you still have the expectation of privacy as a non-public figure.

Jordan Peterson pointed this out. What are you going to when you're denied access to something based on some algorithm or AI but there's no one there to speak too. Robot says no and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

It’s not the fact that the cameras tracked her face, it’s the fact that they new who she was. Where was THAT information obtained from.

Look up the Show "The Last Enemy" it's this very thing and its trippy as fuck.

There is a difference between a shop refusing service as in we won't sell this item to you; vs we already sold you a ticket, already took your money, you already paid for travel here, we refuse to honor the ticket we sold, and we will not give you your money back. That's like airline level back stabbing.

well the genie is out of the bottle too late. Open source projects allow you to train a Raspberry Pi for Facial Recognition. Time to get ir led glasses to block these cameras.

Can’t put pandora back in the box

Your body expends extra energy digesting the food

The part of this story that concerned me the most is "How did the company running the venue get the facial recognition data for every employee at a law firm?" Did they have private investigators following employees? Seems fishy. Also, given where the event was held, it sounds like the policy was put in place as a petty way to get back at people who dared sue them or tick them off.

You may feel like you can't "think as fast" or possibly not concentrate as easily because the human body has received nourishment and therefore content. The dopamine starts flowing. This is one of the same reasons why people who meditate, pray, or even do study work refrain from eating. It sharpens the mind to the task.

How did we know that it was the facial recognition software and not someone at the security team??

Private company that can get any people info ,can be abused soo hard . Example some malicious stalker getting random girl address i guess i dont need rest. Cheap ass security in private =easy hack. Blackmailing and many more things ,just too unsafe .

I can see how this could be useful in some fields but terrible for public use overall. I imagine that in a medical ER it'd be handy if someone didn't have id and were in a critical state having access to their medical file via face recognition could be life saving. Also useful in banks (put security on alert for certain level of criminal but not to act), police stations or patrols (to assess threat/identify), and elementary schools for predators. Large problems occur though based on the accuracy of this and therefore should only be used as an assistance and not the sole primary acting source. I believe private companies shouldn't have control of its use or access to it whatsoever. Either way I'm sure this will be abused and have little faith in most people having any form of control or access to this.

Her firm was suing them but she specifically was not on that case. I think people forget that lawyers in a firm doesn't mean they're all working on the same cases. They have multiple people working multiple different or same cases.

i wonder if you get just wear a fake mustache to bypass the AI

The more concerning thing for me is that how was her face name and other personal information on this software that I’m sure she didn’t even know existed

The important thing here is not if it's legal or not, the question is what precedent it sets, what is the next step and where does it take us?

I dont think the average person has any understanding what sort of hell on earth is coming.

hes right tho where does it end

Scanning faces instead of showing a ticket or QR code sounds like inventing a peoblem cos you have a solution you want to sell.

"If you don't opt in, how do I know you're not a terrorist? Hand over your bag I don't trust you!" Bang*

Gets banned in a apple store then u go to unlock your phone to be locked out till ur unbanned

Venues should only be able to refuse service based on behavior exhibited on their own property. Maybe include criminal record.

Gainst and bean are not how you say been and against...

It would be good for schools, only those that work there and learn and study can enter. Police, firefighters and ambulances would be manually or automatically granted access in case of emergency.

I think if they refuse service that's their prerogative. Fine. But I also think that if they don't have any acceptable valid reason to do so, involving the customer getting violent, or being obstructive or obnoxious toward other customers or staff. That they then owe and IMMEDIATE refund. Especially if you are booted out after just entering a venue you paid to enter.

person A goes to a store with a friend. the friend shoplifts. person A gets put on a "shoplifter list" now most mega food chains will not serve person A because of prior infraction. so now this person can no longer shop at any major stores... this could be a really bad thing.

Imo this is similar to someone doxxing your home address. Even though your house is out in the open and some people know that you live in that house does not mean that the info should be open for everyone to use. I just fear that if anyone can know my name from my face, they can know all about my life. My workplace, my routine and my connections can all be inferred from this. No matter what their intention is, the fact that I don't know this info exists for anyone to access is wrong.

The thing is even if you know that they will use your data you are forced to agree to it if you want to use app. There should a a law which states that people should have a right to use app even if they do not agree to share their data

***Edit: watched a little further and seen this was already touched on this, but, shoplifters rarely go to jail, or are even reported to the police in many cases.... ESPECIALLY when we're talking about Walmart who's ridiculous policies do more to empower shoplifters rather than discourage them.*** Plenty of bad ways to use this technology, but I think one good use of this could be theft prevention at like department stores, when you're caught on camera stealing, your face and information go into a database and someone will be alerted whenever you enter a store owned by that department store chain. I think the privacy argument in this case would be a moot point since you only enter the database if you have already broken the law.

why would you ever sign something without reading it first?

You work at macguffin? Sorry you can't enter our PizzaQueen.

If you think about it what keeps the government accountable? Nothing, they aren't going to punish themselves. However if Walmart did something wrong the government has a chance to have Walmart accountable. But there's a problem when the government and private entities work close together and they act essentially as one. I.e Twitter

There have been times when the do-not-fly list have stopped little children from flying. I don't know if that's still the case but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Trapwire in full use

Technology!!

it's illegal in the EU

And you know what? It prrrrrrrrobably wasnt very hard to get her image to load into their database. ITS PROBABLY ON THE FIRMS WEBSITE

happy new year

the hard time thinking after you eat is real. Why some business are to be discussed over lunch/dinner ?

for YEARS third party Verizon stores have face recognition when you walk in. selling this data overseas and for other reasons. Next time you walk into a retailer (Not corporate) look up and smile :] Since this has been a thing since 2012 I wonder how many other stores do this.

People forget that your full name, address, and sometimes phone number, are all available on various websites. Pay a small amount of money and you can get the last few addresses that they've lived at as well. Yet if I were to sit here and post those details of the people commenting here then they'd call it "doxxing" and pitch a fit. No amount of me saying "it's publicly available information" would calm them, despite that being true.

Ralph Nader was banned from attending a Presidential debate as an audience member even though someone gave him their ticket so he could attend. They literally had Nader's picture in a binder, so staff were on the look out for him to stop him from attending.

I agree that someone transferring your information from one place that you gave consent to use, and that someone posts it in another place, should be illegal unless its for journalistic purposes or that you are a public figure.

You can't consent on the second sell of your data.

I can easily see this setting the precedent for multiple companies to ban 1 person or a group of people from all stores belonging to them. Imagine not being able to buy food because you're blacklisted by facial recognition software. And you can't order online either, because they've cross-referenced all of your personal information and blocked you there, too. We're creeping toward that kind of world, for sure.

In a dystopian corpo war kinda way, I kind of lowkey enjoy the concept of one corporation banning another one's employees from their venue.

Just imagine an employee from Pizza Hut going into Dominoes and told to leave because they work for a competitor.

We need Asmon on a podcast with Linus

Well, maybe because She's a lawyer for some bigger firm, Her data is somewhere on their (firm's) webpage so the organisers could just looked Her up (like a google search)? Being a lawyer and representing a firm is more of a public station than some anonymous office worker. That's how They could've gotten that info. If it's out there it's like a private knowledge. Now, the question is, should They ba able to use information like that. In the context They're using it it actually makes sense. However in more general context I'd say companies shouldn't be able to use data that's irrelevant in current context. We could solve it from the OTHER side of things tho. If this situation is a potential for conflict of interest then have a regulation that would *prohibit* Her from using ANY information, that would be obtained by that visit to the venue, in the court case. Basically, the judge, jury and all the participants would have to disregard the information

I think Russel Brand has been a huge advocate against this sort of software. People should check him out.

My uncle once told me metabolism slows down our brain idk if its true or not

Good example of Opt in vs Opt out. And i work in tech, Opt in is SOOOOOOO much more consumer friendly. Opt out is purely to the benefit of companies. Anything that uses personal information should be opt in