He forgot the Player buff limit, which meant that Players would remove Hots or helpful buffs due to buffcap. Or the griefing it enabled of throwing off world buff due to useless buffs.

As much as it sucked taking our guild 50ish weeks to get me my Thunderfury, it kind of made it that much more special. It actually felt legendary, and you could absolutely feel the difference the item made. In fact, some non legendary items should have a very noticeable impact on your character as well. Itemization is more fun when it's not just the next level of the same item over and over again. This should also apply to the leveling experience as well. Whirlwind Axe for example was a huge jump in power for a lvl 30-40 warrior.

The comment about the drop rate is very accurate. I remember playing classic and questing in the Barrens. The quest required me to obtain 14 boar hearts. So I'm like this will be easy. All I need to do is kill 14 of them. Well, I was wrong. Not every boar dropped a heart. As a matter of fact, only about one third of them dropped a heart, and I'm thinking, how are these things alive without a heart? 🙃

A perfect game is a boring game, 2023 gamers to obsessed with having everything work correctly then when they get everything ever wanted they log off never to return. The magic of games is often the imperfections and working around them.

I think the strangest thing about the whole vanilla wow, was that blizzard released a big mmo with many zones where there were no quests? Hinterlands and Searing gore examples! It was much later before they released quests there? And some of the rare/epic items so horrible wrong!! like - Skullforge Reaver ? or Lion Horn of stormwind LOL

as a healer I still have nightmares about spell batching

I'm still mad I never got the Edge of Chaos from Nefarian back in vanilla, and the only time Askhandi dropped someone else got it and quit the guild a day later.

spell batching was good but not how blizzard redid it. it created lots of cool unique interactions in pvp people still remember til this day. such as a lot of clips in like reckful 3 were all possible because of spell batching like reckful gouging blink because he knew a mage was going to blink etc

enchanting trainer outside must be an alliance thing because i remember having to actually do the damn dungeon to skill up.

Some quests were so annoying and time consuming that i couldn't be bothered. Definitely agree with a lot of these but all in all classic was a good ride.

World buffs and huge PVP raids fighting to not lose them in BRM was some of my best moments of Classic. WB really became a toxic chore with dire maul/ZG/Moon. When it was just Ony/flower, it was great.

Phase 1. Un goro crater. my level 58 rogue stealing all the leathers, the chaos, the pvp, the mafia, logging on at odd hours just to getall the devilsaur spawns for a while. It was beautiful, glorious, a time and fun never to be seen again. I am satisfied.

Yea diremaul ogres giving you a potion instead of buffin you would have been cool, also just pickin the songflower and consuming it in raid, it would be pretty easy to makw the raid buffs consumables

I really dont get spell batching. There were so many private servers where it ran just fine without it and nobody wanted batching ever. Sadly i quit because of it in the first classic servers. The second ones were way too dead to try again :/

A lot of us WARNED the "No Changes" types that they were wrong and that the gameplay needed SOME changes.

Man, I was stuck at level 42 seemed like forever in vanilla. Was so tired of stv

The way Zack’s eyebrow starts twitching when he says “loot” 😂

World buffs made classic unique. It gave a reason to go out in the open world. Imagine if we didn’t have world buffs… there’s no reason to leave SW/Org. World pvp was fucking nuts! I loved the drama on discord! The only thing I would change is allowing chronoboom be available on launch and removing warchief blessing or making it available for alliance as well

the worst part of any version of classic wow is the 'meta' mind set people really think you need the 'best meta spec' to clear CLASSIC content "oh you're going to deal slightly less dps with 'x' spec? guess you're not getting an invite" the community has truly ruined classic. second worst part of classic is the fact that they released ZERO new content. Absolutely no gear tweaking, spec balancing, quest revamps, PVP changes, etc. They really did absolutely NOTHING to the game.

Man, raiding as warlock in Vanilla sure was fun. I got to cast shadow bolts and basically nothing else.

I played Hunter on a vanilla Private Server.. Apparently Ranged Weapons are only for Warrior. I won the Roll on Starstriker, didnt get the Weapon. On The Gun in MC? Didnt get the Weapon. I reserved the Gun in AQ40 and it dropped... didnt get the Weapon. My Bow was still blue! But apparently one Warrior needed 2 more Attack-Power. The ONLY ranged Weapon they say im allowed to get, (aside from the very Buggy impossible Hunter Quest, because Buggy) was the Crossbow from Blackwing Lair. And of course thats why we had like 9 Hunters in the raid On a 5% drop chance by the way. Fu.. this. Hunters doesnt get shit. Thank god the raid had one good Thing, I spotted My old Character in the Group, which meant i sold him, and that allowed me to buy the very best Ranged Naxx Weapon in the Game.

Note that people duplicate log more often in classic, so it is not AT ALL a reliable metric. 29 million DPS parses to 27k guilds in classic = 1074 DPS parses per guild that has cleared naxxramas. I doubt that there are this many unique characters raiding in WoW. In comparison, retail has 3.7 million DPS parses to 12k guilds in normal difficulty, or a ratio of 308 dps parses per guild. Ultimately, number of guilds killing bosses in the raid and logging tend to be a much, much more reliable metric, where you'd get 27k for classic and 12k for retail.

Pretty sure the enchanting trainer was inside the dungeon instance itself

if only they had buffed the hybrid classes dmg and had Tier set that wasnt focuse on only healing for them,

The 8 debuff limit does dramatically change play styles in the raid. I know cause I raided on nostarius back in the day and they had an 8 debuff limit. Tbh I think its a good thing for the beginning of the game. It buffs content in a way that is Authentic to the vanilla experience. It makes fights like Ragnaros much harder than you would expect. In a way its kinda like how modern raids work where they are made very hard at the start and are systematically nerfed as time goes on. Doing bwl with an 8 debuff limit will make that raid significantly harder. at the start and when ZG is released they can up the 16 debuff limit as a nerf to the previous content.

I think people generally have rose coloured glasses when it comes to WoW Classic. Yes it had some amazing points, but the MMO genre as moved on for a reason.

Our guild saw x1 staff of shadow flame in about 16 runs

Did someone say Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?

Seeing world buffs for the first time is so badass, like seeing everyone in stormwind was super epic especially like half a year into classic. But like yeah I could see it sucking to get xD

Loot was pretty bad in classic, it took me 3 months to gear my mage in bwl gear, but with my hunter i got full Bis in 2 weeks! BwL always dropped hunter gear

The editors of this channel seriously aren't even trying anymore lmfao...

Ah Yes, balancing… I remember mocking the DKs in my Guild because i played Retri Pala (you’ll find it way down in the chart in the "go fuckin respec to heal or tank" section) and i regularly beat them hard on the damage meters 😂 And we knew back then it was bad!

My favorite example of Emergent Player Behavior was The Great Zul'Gurub Plague. :D

I played up till nax, world buffs were the most toxic sht ive ever seen in gaming

Warlocks being told to up your DPS in raid was infuriating... I can't fking up my dps as I can't use half my spells >.

Spell batching was the reason I stopped playing classic

Leveling was a test of patience to try not to hang myself. I guess you can say it was a "journey"?

Classic wow was the most fun iteration of wow I played. Even tho I played it back in 2004 I never did the raids and sucked ass at it but going into classic I had no idea what I was expecting but it was a special time for me that's for sure. Found an amazing guild that cleared all the raids together did world pvp with a bunch of guilds on the servers ran a bunch of GDKPs towards the end of classic and made tons of gold. Got Field Marshall which was definitely not worth it do not recommend but It was an experience that's for sure. Basically all around good time in classic wow for me. Would I do it again? No, I don't think so. And that's all i gotta say.

Neltharians tear took a Long time because it was forged from my own personal tears

I think spell batching was good and ok not bad at all for me. I like it.

Spell batching was something every talking head on KZfaq wanted, so of course they were going to listen when Classic launched! bUt YoU cAn PoLy EaCh OtHeR

Imagine parsing in a 13 year old normal difficulty raid and NOT constantly hit 99. Truly cringe

loot is probably the worst indeed. How tf do an enemy doesn't loot his head, or his tail. Or even A FUCKING SCALE ON A DRAGON WITH THOUSANDS OF SCALES. It just doesn't make any sense. And also, why. Just why do you collect all of thoses. I know it's for the game, but it doesn't make any sense anyway. If it's for a proof, you don't need a proof actually, when a camp lose 15 people, it shows. No need for the heads of every random mobs. Same for items. Excuse me sir, why isn't the full plate enemy dropping an armor, or weapon. It could just loot a Grey crappy item, like scraps of broken armor for the logic part. Why are we leaving their armor and weapons, when we obviously need money. When it comes to end game armor/weapon, I think the way it was done is normal, you need to farm thoses armors, or else it's useless, but I would see it another way, with items you farm and exchange to a legendary hidden Smith. It doesn't make any sense to have an elemental that just came on azeroth, loot human size armors and weapons, and it isn't interesting at all to keep looting useless other class items.

ranking system is ok when the ranking system is personal so you need 500k for bracket 1 everyone who reach 500k honor is in bracket 1 and everyone has fun

tbh think the world buff meta made it better. Imagine raiding through classic with 0 world buffs, wouldve felt so bad. Current classes in wotlk feel like classes were with world buffs in classic imo. For warrior anyway.

They also should have increased loot by minimum double in raids. It got so repetitiv.

I find it hillarious how 99% of the good stuff in classic wow was ripped from other MMOs back in the day, while the few bad systems it had were the original ones blizzard came up with

Is there a reason for the long pauses (i.e. Asmon not washing his hands) to be in the youtube videos?

I got super lucky and got the mind quickening gem on the very first BWL run on my mage 😂 I was so happy cuz that trinket was extremely Strong. I used it in TBC as well for trash packs (in Hyjal I did over 10K DPS on trash packs with MQG). I believe we had like 5 mages in classic and all 5 got the MQG eventually

All this being said, I think “no changes” had to be done in order to prove that “some changes” is better.

classic vanilla was fun but anyone still playing classic is just a lost and confused soul :(

Classic wow is complete anarchy, which is most enjoyable from a distance. Be that from a pure spectating perspective or looking back at it and remembering it, but being in the middle of it sucked.

They had CIA ex? employees working for them. I swear they were just using this as a social experiment sandbox. OK, let's see how far we can abuse them before they break. Fast forward achievements, only dropping one glaive, Rng wrapped in Rng wrapped in RNG. Let that sink in... Remember when gear had to drop for you off a boss, you had to be able to wear it, then it needed to be socketed, and then it needed to be empowered. Now reproduce that 16 times for the other slots and you have video game heroin. Might be a law suit for Blizzard one day lol.

Probably could have cut out the part where he went AFK for a few mins, lol

Damn, dude, pay your editors

Everyone is laughing because Asmongold always needed on everything for his Warrior back in classic. However, what's ironic, is that he has always been that way. 😀🙃

there should be an NPC representing chromie that offers all the powers of the old world at the start of every raid, giving everyone the option of taking world buffs and if they refuse they should get given extra loot for their efforts. Makes it fun for everyone.

I always get shit on for saying this but I would never play classic. The quests were boring, the loot is bad, the classes are clunky and bad. No fluidity. I actually was extremely bored when leveling in classic. There are so many QoL changes in retail and I don't want to relieve bad/old systems just because some people have nostalgia. Retail>Classic for me.

In Vanilla a 2 handed enhancement shaman would wreak shit.... it was very much like a Feral Druid, Arms Warrior, or Holy Pally in full tier 2.... Tell me you didnt play Vanilla without telling me you didnt play Vanilla.... Asmon I was there. Ok Bruh.

My eye sight is so bad now a days it's hard for me to raid even with glasses and graphics turned on ultra high. So I just pay guilds gold to carry me ^_^

Ah, legendary Headless Murlocs Quest.

just make world buffs useless in raids.

hey asmonson - i love classic wow - warrior needs everything ;D - i got alot leather gear and resistance stuff aswell - but i never use it ;) - edited: i wont care if there where no worldbuffs at all ;D - i also yoloed BGs with em i never cared that much ^^ - i was top dps anyways - BECAUSE I AM A WARRIOR ;D

Classic Phase 2 was the worst experience ever as alliance.

Spellbatching sounds great if you want the classic experience you should suffer same as in the past. But now you know that the game wasn't as good as you think

Contingency guild on the forgotten coast

Spell batching was the only thing that made shaman viable in any pvp scenario. As much as it might suck in other circumstances i'd take spell batching in classic any day.

If you lost raid healing to spell batching then you should never heal again. It's literally the only job where you have to predict the next 10-15mins.

Eeeeeeeeeeeee Vanilla PvP and AQ40 nolife Scarab Lord was the good stuff ? I swear I'm growing to hate Willie.....

i know you won't read or respond to this, but if so, did you ever play Ultima Online back in the day? if so, would be fun to hear about one day...

World buffs are irredeemable.

I remember pretty well asmongold fanboying the No ChANGeS!!!!111 along with cringe esfand

(25:15) Say my name without saying my name.

Would be nice of Asmon to do a podcast with Kevin Jordan :)

zach is a casual vanilla wow player

As a prot warrior (and bad ret pally) in og vanilla, I can attest to being a loot hussie. For prot, I QM'd so much NR gear to myself when I ran Green Dragon raids until I had it all, for easier subsequent dragon raids and AQ40 ofc. And I pissed off many a hunter by taking an actual hunter item on my ret pally, Typhoon. I was a greasy teen and I was bad at the game but nostalgia. Farthest I got was NAXX40 w/ only Razuvius killed and AQ40 up to Huhuran but didn't get her down. Side note: I am still bad, just slightly less so than back then.

the first 100 thing was proven not to work due to the fact the 101 visitor and beyond tend to say screw this

400 ping is not the same thing

If you don't like losing world buffs due to people trying to impede the other faction from progressing, then play on a pve server. Idk why you think blizzard needs to fix something that's been fixed since launch in 2004. Pve and pvp servers. Ez. Done.

I am just saying .... "pet heal equip"... ^^

I Love Classic WoW - I think all the imbalances and limiting mechanics were awesome! Damn, I must be getting old :( Love your videos, Asmon!

15:25 - 16:31 best part

One thing I would add, because its personal. Attaining Atiesh. It was BS compared to Thunderfury! I spent the better part of all of vanilla helping countless Warriors farm Thunderfury. (Zero benefit to myself. Om addition to countless other things I sacrificed or gave to my raid). Then when it comes MY turn with Atiesh? Na. At best your raid will get 2 before TBC came out. And its not just others of your class you have to compete with to be picked to get it, like Warriors. No. You are up against EVERY SINGLE OTHER CLOTHIE. Getting Ateish was the ONLY reason I played classic (Im a casual, and I know the toll raiding takes on me). I busted my ass to do everything I possibly could to put myself at the top of the list for Atiesh. But get saddled with one greedy guild master/raid leader, and the wind blows the wrong way the day it comes to decide who those 1-2 Ateishes go to and... Some how you get told you are basically 12th on the list, behind guys who attend about 1 raid a week and thats it. Dpnt get me wrong. The people at the very top of the list over me were fine choices. In the end, it will come down to comparing apples to oranges when trying to pick someone. But the REAL issue is that things were not changed in a way to help a more proportional amount of people get Ateish before TBC was out. I am still very salty over my Classic experience with that. I will not return. So I just hope Blizz finds a way to bring the quest back from the trading post so I cam farm it on retail, and be done with it.

Fun fact: spell batching as shit as it was is what kept vanilla WOW stable Retail WOW doesn't have it, when open world PVP happens on retail between more than 10 players, the server chokes and dies, and who ever started it will probably get banned for server disruption.

Asmon never played FF11 and it shows

Wow classic vanilla is back, come play EU pve pyrewood village serv, we are tons

Never played it?!

from asmonbald making a 15min video into a 4 part 3hour series to his editors adding another hour of epic chair saga

Another video where the editors can't be botherd to do their only job and edit out asmons chair

MOAR DOTS

lul @ editors leaving in 2mins of dead air. bravo

I just played WOW for the first time a few days ago, I'm loving it so far! I want to help people relive their noobs days through me haha, so I've been recording my experience if anyone wants to see :)

Yes

Cat stand listening to asmon reminisce about his PvP greatness when you know he was never actually good at PvP. Ever. Not when he was young. Not now. Not ever. Making up stories is dumb.

This just in from 2004, hybrid classes sucked compared to pure classes by design, more at 11. This video makes it sounds like it some great mystery why.

evening lag for all players... nice. at 400 ping? hahahahahahahaha

Well maybe u bashed their heads in and they aren't useful... same for the hooves.

Leveled a priest just to MC sweaty dps and dropping Ony heads

Coool

Yoo