I have used mine twice for self defense in 8.5 years of security and corrections, both times I never had to use it, but it got their attention that I wasn't screwing around.

Back scratcher, and very useful for when I park slightly too far away from the automatic car wash in my patrol car and can’t quite reach the button to select the wash I want

My baton is mostly used as a door knocker and back scratcher lol.

Triton AT-4, used it once, the drunk wandered off... "That's not fair man" was his complaint. Saved us both from a potential bad situation. Security/Sweden

As a security guard certified to carry expandable batons (I'm not American & you must be certified to carry batons in my country) as well as someone with a background in Filipino Martial Arts (FMA)/Kali/Arnis/Escrima I think the main reason why the batons are almost useless in a "combative" situation is because of how police & security are taught to use them. The methods taught are designed for the old solid batons such as the wooden one you showed in the video or even an old truncheon where the weight is at the striking end and not in the handle like it is with modern expandable batons. Expandable batons being hollow & tapering down to the striking end are extremely light weight at the point of impact so you require speed, accuracy and multiple impacts in quick succession like is seen/taught in Kali and not a single hard strike like we are taught to do with the baton. Batons are not the issue, they are extremely effective when combined with Kali....the problem is the techniques taught. You wouldn't teach someone to drive an automatic car and then give them a manual truck license but that's effectively what is happening with expandable batons....they are teaching us to use one thing but giving us something with completely different characteristics without teaching us how to recognize weapon characteristics and how to adapt to the weapon. This is also why I think Kali is a better system to teach in relation to batons because we don't learn from the point of view of "This is this X weapon and it's used like this" of "This is Y weapon and it's used like this", we learn that the angles of attack remain the same regardless of the weapon and we allow the weapon to tell us how to us it, i.e.: - Anything with an edge will cut/lacerate - Any flat or round surface (such as a baton, 2x4 or a wall) uses impact - Anything with a point will stab We also allow the weight of the weapon and the center of gravity/balance point to tell us how it wants to move, i.e.: - Light weight like a baton is good for speed - Heavy is good for power strikes - Higher center of gravity/balance point is good for hacking - Lower center of gravity/balance point is good for slashing The problem is the techniques not the weapon.

There’s something to be said for the old flat sap! Where used properly and not against the head! Good for close quarters and gaining compliance with “subtlety”! I’ve seen your previous video and agree about misuse, but some use them properly (where allowed)

In the UK some forces are actually swapping the Arnold public order baton for a 26 Inch Bonowi Camlock expandable baton, or in favour of a 26 inch Monadnock autolock!

It's an emergency tool, I learned that from you Tommy. I do get the urge to scratch my back with it. Probably the best emergency tool to use for that purpose.

Very true. Can't wait for your next shield box review like seeing the new gear , stay safe out there brother, may God bless

A beautiful tool and piece of upholding the rule of law.

My baton is used mainly for swinging and pretending I’m hitting a home run when I’m bored talking with other officers

"Wrestling is great until you try to wrestle more than one guy" is very true. Unless you can do some crazy ninja stuff and invert everyone's joints in as many seconds as there are people trying to get you, you're probably just going to have one guy in a hold while the other kicks you in the face.

Still pref. the 24" Bonowi thou

I have that exact same baton

Do you have any thoughts on Bryna? High-powered pepperball guns seem most intended as a less lethal civilian defense weapon.

I have a question Sir. When those in a Special Operations Team rescue a hostage from a building, when they get him out of the building alive, do they hand the hostage over to the normal cops or do they themselves go all the way to the station with him? If they hand him over, what rank does the police officer who takes charge of the hostage have? I'm trying to write a short-story about cops, therefore I would want to get the details right.

I carry a Peacekeepers International 29 inch baton

You are hilarious and inspirational.

Tommy. Can we get another duty flashlight uses video?? And maybe where you think flashlight technology will go in 5 10 years.. what duty like are you rocking now? I have a fenix tk 20r 2.0

I carry mine everywhere when I walk. Here in Hawaii shit be crazy

I carry dad's old pr24 he gave me 😂 He now has a 26in peacekeeper baton highly recommended

Nah. Mine rides in my bag, right where it belongs. Can be grabbed for clearing spiderwebs if needed.

Sir, I am into armed security and executive Protection. In my opinion using a very minimalistic gear vest lvl3a, duty gun 3 magazines flash light. I personally believe that carrying handcuffs or baton should not be helpful just because I don’t work in a law enforcement capacity. I believe that if it gets to use a baton I just go hand to hand or just use my firearm. What are your thoughts? Maybe I may might need to get idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

Everything goes better with cocobolo😎

Filipino Martial Arts can help maximize its use. I know Jared wihongi teaches a course to help maximize its use and applications.

is 21in more practical than 16in baton?

My Lieutenant may as well have had a light Saber, the results looked the same. Expandable baton he could use it!

Good for breaking out panes of windows on wellness checks…

I got one recently, is it normal if it wobbles?

Batons are good as they are always there when i taser loses battery or OC runs out. They are good for Aggressive loose dogs or breaking windows. Or propping door open 😂

great attention getter & for us short people, to get things off high shelves...Or unscrew it and ask if they wanna see you put a 9" nail in each one of their eyelids...

What a minute. Is that a spike stored in the back of it?

I practice with mine everyday, dont sneek up on me at night when im walkin my dog.

I have two of them, and I don’t trust them.

used it to break a window

Yeah, but back to your title you’re right cop shouldn’t be used like that at all

Its all good till it gets took away from you and used on you instead of them

Baton is useless if you don't know how to use it. The striking technique has to be in perfect shape, which unfortunately is not the case for the majority of police officers.