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Aspects in Early 17th-century Monodies

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Early Music Sources

Early Music Sources

6 жыл бұрын

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@stefanodigarbo4735
@stefanodigarbo4735 4 жыл бұрын
When I watch Elam's videos I always like to guess what bottles of strong alcoholics he has on the background. They change every time... Elam, you thirsty my friend? 😉 well if that's what it takes for you to deliver such beautiful lectures, keep drinking!!! Cheers from Italy
@hei7586
@hei7586 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the time I do only understand half of the musical explanations in the videos (due to my poor musical education), but I am very fascinated nonetheless!
@anttoniriarte9842
@anttoniriarte9842 4 жыл бұрын
I love your voice! So clear and sweet. As always, great video!
@constantinf.stimmer9445
@constantinf.stimmer9445 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Please keep doing such impressive and informativ videos on topics like this! I like your channel very much. For my work I´m taking something interesting with me every time. It´s a joy to see your ideal of breaking things down historically, theoretically, musically - simply driven by sheer experiencing music. THX
@VitoOnYoutube
@VitoOnYoutube 6 жыл бұрын
Spectacular as always!How about a video on rhetorical figures in music?
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 4 жыл бұрын
i will do
@carlosandres7006
@carlosandres7006 6 жыл бұрын
amazing video Elam. you have a wonderful voice. THANKS
@GoodSneakers
@GoodSneakers 4 жыл бұрын
This channel continues to be one of the great joys of KZfaq. I am in true awe of your splendid work and research. I just love the in-depth details of the subjects and the careful structure behind the episodes. Cheers from a swedish opera singer, choral conductor and bachelor of vocal pedagogy, Carl.
@dominikwujek4126
@dominikwujek4126 6 жыл бұрын
Woooow. Im learning composition and those videos are pure gold. Im trying to learn how to compose music and have decided to start from early stuff Im working on Gauldins 16th century counterpoint and I did know what an anticipation is but now actually understand it and the list of topics your videos have cleared for me is long! Thank you so much
@dejavudabass
@dejavudabass 2 жыл бұрын
Great Episode Mr. Rotem! Thank you so much for your work.
@MrPSaun
@MrPSaun 4 жыл бұрын
Your channel consistently introduces me to concepts that a simple youtube or google, and even Wikipedia, search, cannot provide. Bravo! Keep up up the great work!
@swannswan8663
@swannswan8663 2 жыл бұрын
your videos are so helpful and i thank you. 9:16 there is a modulation in that section and this is a "new music", therefore i conclude it emphasizes the modulation (while it emphasizes treating to melody in a new way as you remark), not borrowing a note from the other parts.
@johnpont2442
@johnpont2442 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully done Elam. Very clear and concise. The Monteverdi excerpt was inspiring.
@suora88
@suora88 4 жыл бұрын
Your italian accent is perfect and very appropriate (and your singing very pleasant), thank you for your videos!
@dmitrysofronov8624
@dmitrysofronov8624 4 жыл бұрын
Most complicated subject told in an easy-to-understand way. A great video!
@cippigna
@cippigna 5 жыл бұрын
Such a great episode! Thanks a lot and, please, keep going!
@thomaswaelbroeck6332
@thomaswaelbroeck6332 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing, as always ! Thank you!
@markcox5385
@markcox5385 6 жыл бұрын
Love the chittarone!
@MikeAngelTA
@MikeAngelTA 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing examples!! Me quito el sombrero!!
@mosteirodosalvador7112
@mosteirodosalvador7112 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this content with us!
@jianhuang717
@jianhuang717 2 жыл бұрын
Such great channel, so great episode! Keep going!!!
@jessicadossantosornaghi6427
@jessicadossantosornaghi6427 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Thanks for the content!
@RoryVanucchi
@RoryVanucchi 4 жыл бұрын
Well done and informative as always
@_PROCLUS
@_PROCLUS 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video … The work you do is exceptional, always highly educational and very enjoyable … Thank you so very much for the beautiful videos, Elam Rotem
@LorenzoCavallini90
@LorenzoCavallini90 6 жыл бұрын
At 5:38 you probably meant to write A as last two notes in tenor voice. Love your channel, keep up the amazing work!!
@SydiusVideo
@SydiusVideo 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@waelkadi4557
@waelkadi4557 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great knowledge about music ❤❤❤
@dennismenezes9423
@dennismenezes9423 6 жыл бұрын
So good .. thanks for those videos ! ! :)
@A_Muzik
@A_Muzik 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Early 17th-century monodies were so intricate.
@SimoneBattaglia94
@SimoneBattaglia94 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and well explained. Speaking of harmonic anticipations "Plorate Colles" in Carissimi's Jephte always comes to mind. I would like to see a video like this on 18th Century recitatives. (I've written some myself and I learnt by imitation of composers, but there are definitely some things that I can't really explain to myself. It would be interest to put such "weird" things in context 😊)
@Gusrikh1
@Gusrikh1 4 жыл бұрын
Very, very interesting and educational...
@OdinComposer
@OdinComposer 6 жыл бұрын
Well done! Keep it up ☝
@danielwaitzman2118
@danielwaitzman2118 6 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@ganaelschneider
@ganaelschneider 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative :)
@nachofian8934
@nachofian8934 6 жыл бұрын
excelente!!
@RosssRoyce
@RosssRoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Nice singing! This chitarone sounds almost like a tripple harp!
@silviomp
@silviomp 2 жыл бұрын
"Anticipation anticipation anticipation..." 😂😂😂
@ros8737
@ros8737 4 жыл бұрын
It might explain the multiple, quirky jumps between major and minor thirds in modern recordings of late renaissance music. A system standard in theory but a constriction in practice. I’m sure that outside the boundaries of notation, most regular people learned by ear and played microtonal ”blue” notes, even in central Europe. It would explain why some early music sometimes reminds me of how a computer fails trying to play blues from a simple MIDI score. It just sounds stiff and odd.
@daiaanwander5374
@daiaanwander5374 6 жыл бұрын
Great!
@ANSIcode
@ANSIcode 6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where I can find a detailed theoretical analysis of Monteverdi's L'Orfeo? Maybe analyzing parts of the opera would even make for some good viedos?
@grocheo1
@grocheo1 5 жыл бұрын
Grazie
@maestrogalindo
@maestrogalindo 4 жыл бұрын
Eccelenti!
@arastoomii4305
@arastoomii4305 6 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, maybe the best one in youtube. Where can i read more about medieval and renaissance music?
@LudmillaTSF
@LudmillaTSF 6 жыл бұрын
Books, dear friend! I recommend The Performance of 16th-Century Music by Anne Smith
@arastoomii4305
@arastoomii4305 6 жыл бұрын
Ludmilla Thompson thx!
@Ala13ManOWar
@Ala13ManOWar 4 жыл бұрын
So you mean "Faux Bourdon", at first didn't get it XD . Great video as always.
@agogobell28
@agogobell28 3 жыл бұрын
Fauxbourdon is different, though. It’s a method of producing primitive polyphony from a single line, where one auxiliary voice produces consonances about an octave below the main voice (and jumps around a bit), and the other auxiliary voice strictly doubles the main voice at the perfect fourth below.
@MatheusPrabowo
@MatheusPrabowo 6 жыл бұрын
Would you make a video about motet?
@pianomarianopiano
@pianomarianopiano 3 жыл бұрын
12:33 😂😂😂 you 're a genius man !
@NathanaelXavier
@NathanaelXavier 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I am a bit confused between the terms monody, stile rappresentativo, and recitative. I need to differentiate these terms for an exam coming up in a few days. Could you provide some insight into what the differences or similarities between these terms might be?
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook 2 жыл бұрын
That Bb though
@xisailuo
@xisailuo 4 жыл бұрын
12:13 "and we like it" (insert grumpy Artusi face)
@d.j.j.g
@d.j.j.g Жыл бұрын
Splendid! One correction: At 5:38, the tenor ends on two B-flats; they should be two A's.
@d.j.j.g
@d.j.j.g Жыл бұрын
Thank you! But I just noticed too that the canto should have a treble clef, not a soprano clef. I noticed these by singing all the staffs--or by trying to.
@emanuelcarallen
@emanuelcarallen Жыл бұрын
@henryyau4142
@henryyau4142 5 жыл бұрын
ThZ for your great production. Lots to learn. One question: for accento , is it the same as escape tone or echappée ?
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 5 жыл бұрын
according to some sources, yes, you could say so.
@MichaelSeltenreich
@MichaelSeltenreich 6 жыл бұрын
Could it be that another explanation for not resolving the suspensions (as you discuss in 10:10) is that diminutions were expected to be added? Such that the line you presented in performance is sung E-D-C-B-A B in which case, the suspension does get resolved
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. The resolution is not the pitch alone, it is the pitch combined with its metrical place - this point is where the A is.
@sarahaprincesa
@sarahaprincesa Жыл бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@plekkchand
@plekkchand 4 жыл бұрын
Let's see.
@pitturista
@pitturista 5 жыл бұрын
interestingly enough, there is no rest in any voice at the beginning of Sfogava con le stelle
@walteralter9061
@walteralter9061 3 жыл бұрын
The evolution of music can be interpreted as reflecting the evolution of culture. In terms of expressive license, I'm wondering how we got from there to here? What was it within the cognitive faculties of post Renaissance humans that enabled the maturation of musical aesthetics from the rules of pre-classical counterpoint to thrash metal? I'm wondering if cultural evolution is lawful/predictable or if the next style/rage is going to catch us by surprise every time? If anyone tries to convince me of the incidental or tangent nature of music to culture, let me point out the decade of the 1960's as an extremely fertile region, not only musically, for Sherlock Holmesing - where we are, where we have been, where we are going
@alistairkirk3264
@alistairkirk3264 6 жыл бұрын
At 4:51, surely the cantus should have a g2 clef not a c1?
@alistairkirk3264
@alistairkirk3264 6 жыл бұрын
ps. Fantastic video again!
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
you are right! thanks for noticing. It should stay c1 but the music should be shifted.
@alistairkirk3264
@alistairkirk3264 6 жыл бұрын
Arghh!! I've just noticed the last two notes of the Tenore are one step too high as well! (Currently it's ending on B flat, but should be an A surely?) Sorry to find faults :-) You're quite right about the c1 clef though of course. (For some reason I'd mis-remembered the bassus as being f3 when I posted before.)
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
thanks, it's completely fine. luckily this example is not about the music, but about the concept.
@MichaelSeltenreich
@MichaelSeltenreich 6 жыл бұрын
How is Falso Bordone related to Fauxbourdon and faburden (if at all)?
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's related.
@MichaelSeltenreich
@MichaelSeltenreich 6 жыл бұрын
That's interesting since they all mean the same thing literally. One in Italian, one in French, and one in English, but of course you know that :)
@patriksabo1141
@patriksabo1141 6 жыл бұрын
They are actually often confused.
@LudmillaTSF
@LudmillaTSF 6 жыл бұрын
You guys are very creative :). One question: isn't the frottola in the XVI century also considered a monody?
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
+Ludmilla Thompson Frottola may be categorized under the term "pseudo monody", as all the parts (typically four) are composed. In practice normally only one voice is sung but the composition is polyphonic.
@andreafalconiero9089
@andreafalconiero9089 6 жыл бұрын
One thing that puzzles me about Petrucci's publications of frottole is that almost always there are four voices of polyphony presented as separate parts, yet as I understand it, these pieces were frequently performed by one singer with lute or keyboard accompaniment. Yet if this was the case, how could the three lower voices be practically combined directly from the source material, especially without the presence of barlines in mensural notation? This seems completely impractical! Did lutenists (re-)intabulate the lower voices themselves from the published works before learning the pieces, or were the lower voices more commonly played by a small group of monophonic instruments (recorders, for example), where having the parts presented separately would not pose problems? It seems like a very strange way to notate music that was intended primarily for solo voice and lute!
@LudmillaTSF
@LudmillaTSF 6 жыл бұрын
+Andrea Falconiero I think frottola was played and sung by heart
@EarlyMusicSources
@EarlyMusicSources 6 жыл бұрын
I think that the printing in parts allows the greatest flexibility. You get all the material and you have the possibility to perform it in several different ways. Lute and keyboard instruments made intabulations out of the different parts, this was a standard procedure.
@andreafalconiero9089
@andreafalconiero9089 6 жыл бұрын
Thank-you both for your replies. I agree that the performance of frottole pieces would probably have been "by heart" and not directly from the publications, since at least in Petrucci's case there are no separate part-books to work from, and the material is not laid out in such a way that performers could easily gather around the books to sing and/or play (as was done later with some of the published works of Dowland, for example). However, to learn the songs one would need to begin from the book, and I thought that would be impractical for the lute and keyboard players using the material as presented by Petrucci. It does make sense then that these players would have to intabulate the works themselves from the separate parts in order to learn them, and I agree that Petrucci's decision to publish the parts separately does provide the greatest flexibility to performers, though perhaps not the greatest convenience! Do you know if any of the tablature manuscripts that must have been made from these books have survived the centuries? If available, they could provide some interesting additional insights into performance practices, or clarify the use of ficta (though from what I've seen Petrucci was quite good at marking important sharps and flats).
@johnrothfield6126
@johnrothfield6126 2 жыл бұрын
They must have mass produced lot of "ukeleles" or equivalent instrument to accompany the monodys.
@taylordiclemente5163
@taylordiclemente5163 Жыл бұрын
The ukulele is more of less a renaissance guitar that survived. The tuning is the same, except that 16th century guitars were strung in double courses with the Gs both high and the Cs in octaves. In the 17th century the most popular size was a 4th lower, with an additional bass course: ADGBEA. And yes, guitars were very popular as accompaniment instruments.
@melanyarmstrong9329
@melanyarmstrong9329 4 жыл бұрын
Eh Batman, he sings too
@EchoHeo
@EchoHeo 5 жыл бұрын
I friggin love musicians breaking rules lmao
@isaiasramosgarcia9771
@isaiasramosgarcia9771 4 жыл бұрын
prety voice
@isaiasramosgarcia9771
@isaiasramosgarcia9771 4 жыл бұрын
this is stil nuovo, not antico, such licenses are alowed
@isaiasramosgarcia9771
@isaiasramosgarcia9771 4 жыл бұрын
monody
@isaiasramosgarcia9771
@isaiasramosgarcia9771 4 жыл бұрын
wiled! be good to train it
@isaiasramosgarcia9771
@isaiasramosgarcia9771 4 жыл бұрын
where is he from?, Germany, France?
@orsino88
@orsino88 4 жыл бұрын
In English, aspects of, not aspects in. "Aspects in" makes no sense in English.
@OlgaStjarna
@OlgaStjarna 6 жыл бұрын
A lot of information and only one musical example? All your videos miss sound examples, it is hard to understand you
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